Abolish religion!!!!

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   Captain Redbeardposted 12 years ago

   So alot of people have said to me that the athiest do not want to abolish religion and even have said it was a ludicrise thing to even say I thought I would find a clip of Dr. Richard Dawkins, whom I love listening to in debates, say that his mission is to kill religion.
   
   Now for some reason I couldn't find the original clip of this interview with him and only this little one, but he clearly says that his goal is to abolish religion. So can atheist still say that they don't go around trying to 'convert' people?
   
   http://youtu.be/2yR8DaGOa1s

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      Muldaniaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There are probably as many atheist's views as there are atheists.  Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens have never made it a secret of their views.  However, most atheists are quite content to know religion exists, without having any religious feelings themselves.  To suggest that all atheists share the same aim would be as incorrect as to suggest all Christians are Republicans, or that they all believe the universe is 6,000 years old.  One person, or even a group of people cannot be taken to represent all.

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with you, friend.

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      Cranfordjsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you should watch the entire clip to understand the context of his comment. It was a joke, he was being sarcastic.

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         Captain Redbeardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No he wasn't I have.

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            Cranfordjsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Why are you lying?
      
      He never said anything at all like that. He said in the clip...
      
      "If you want to kill religion, like mine is..."
      
      In other words, he's saying the religion he was brought up with is killing itself.
      
      Such dishonesty. Very sad indeed.

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      Philanthropy2012posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      All things considered, religion is abolishing itself, there is no need for anyone to want it to happen.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The more one wants it to happen, the more one will be disapointed. One should just let nature run it's course.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Richard Dawkins is a dweeb. He isn't the poster boy for respectable atheism.

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      Cranfordjsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sam Harris is my favorite Atheist now that Hitch has passed away. (As an Atheist activist, if you will.)
      
      He may be a little off, but his work is respectable for Atheism.

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Please give one good reason he has given in favour of atheism that is realistic and truthful.

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            Cranfordjsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Richard Dawkins for his work in biology and evolution. Sam Harris for his work in neuroscience and showing there are ways to one's spirituality outside of religion.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, so you too have never read his works. Funny how its always those who criticize him are those who know very little about him.

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Please give one good reason he has given in favour of atheism which is real and truthful.

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            A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Childhood indoctrination = child abuse.

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               Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               No, it isn't.  Not usually anyway.  Most of the kids are quite receptive to this and love magic just as much as their parents do.
               
               It's only abuse when the child is smart enough to see the nonsense and the parents force it on them.  That's rare.  It happens - my wife felt abused that way, but it's unusual and usually includes other forms of abuse as well so I don't see any need to get upset about that specific part.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Uh no, it happens every time a parent forces their belief on their children to the point where the child accepts the beliefs without question. Indoctrination is abuse.

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really! How could you say that? Please elaborate.

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   Muldaniaposted 12 years ago

   I think even Dawkins is not entirely against all religion equally.  It is the fundamentalist evangelical type, and especially the religions who deny evolution.  He has said how he respects the Anglican church of his upbringing, and he is a friend of the former Bishop of Oxford.

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   SanXuaryposted 12 years ago

   You can not abolish religion because you will always believe in something. Even being an Atheist is a belief and a Religion.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I do not know what atheist calls the Atheist group a religion. Abolish Religion, we could get rid of most of it, if we cancel hell.

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Who could cancel the hell? With that heaven will also be lost.
         Life will be lost.
         
         If you want to cancel heaven and hell; first please cancel the Big Bang.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Replace fear of Satan or God...... with a godlike love for everyone
            
            Many Christians don't like the concept of HELL, hell if if i know why , it's written 22 times in King James bible

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               paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hell is a place like a hospital where the wrong doers will stay for a period for treatment.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Is Muslim hell kinder than Christian Hell?
                  
                  Like would they burn Hitler for 50 year rather than forever?
                  
                  Is the Fire as hot as Christian Hell?
                  
                  When is torture enough for a learning experience?

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Once they have deralied on their own will; what benefit will accrue to the truthful religion if they return; they are people of the doubt.

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   SanXuaryposted 12 years ago

   The reason for my belief in God was the discovery that we are beings of free will still seeking the same plan that God had intended. Regardless of belief we still want the same things and fail regardless if the goals are Earthly only. Entire faiths that have nothing to do with God attempt to meet this need. I believe that you have to allow this choice to exist and that most of us will never learn in time. Life is insanely to short. Even when we believe we seldom continue to progress further then our selves. Most are unwilling to leave our Earthly agendas and desires behind in order to mature or do what is required.

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   Richard dawkins, christopher hitchins and other rationals are not priests of atheism. It ain't religion. Many atheists are against some of the thoughts of dawkins so I don't know why you assume atheism as religion of rational followers. Nobody is following any particular person, atheists either like the rational thoughts of particular person or they criticize. So if any atheist says that he wants to abolish religion, it's his personal view, just like Christians and Islamic who wants to free this world from non-believers, isn't it? Oh wait, in fact you guys wrote holy books with said instruction and claiming it as a word of god.

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   paarsurreyposted 12 years ago

   Abolish religion!!!!
   
   
   
   Why?

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   Pcunixposted 12 years ago

   Again, you make the mistake of assuming that the statement "I am an atheist" means anything more than "I don't believe in gods".
   
   We get no book we have to believe, no politics, no taking points.  The lack of one belief does not necessarily give  us any common ground with others who also lack that belief.
   
   I don't want to "abolish religion".  I believe strongly that you have a right to believe in any religion you want and to teach your children that same creed.  I'll defend that right no matter how whacky your religion appears to be.  If it is whacky, I'll point that out and perhaps even make fun of it, but I'll stand beside you if anyone says that your religion should be abolished because it's more strange than theirs.
   
   I didn't watch the clip, so I don't know if you misinterpreted.  I don't care if he said it or not.  If he did, he's a fool, but his foolishness is not mine.

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      Captain Redbeardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You however do use the term "we" incorporating all atheist into your personal beliefs. Since you don't follow a book or a set standard other than "I don't believe in gods" you shouldn't speak for one another. Am I right or wrong?
      
      I mean no disrespect Pcunix. I've never really interacted with you here in the forums yet so please don't misunderstand what I said as some sort of aggression.

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         OK, *I* got no book.
         
         There is no book, so *we* get no book

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