If a third of the angels according to the bible left God and Heaven

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   ib radmastersposted 11 years ago

   Then why would you want God or Heaven.
   No human has ever seen Heaven, and no human has ever seen God.
   But the angels have experienced both, and yet that was not enough for all of them.
   
   The Old Testament and the New Testament were written close to each other in time, and in the last two thousand years there have been no updates from God, Jesus or any being.
   
   There is really no knowledge or description of Heaven, or God for that matter, so do you still seek God and Heaven? And if so what are your expectations.

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      kessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How would you know if one has attained these things?
      If he tells you would you believe him?

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         ib radmastersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Bring me the pudding? The proof is therein

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            kessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            How much more pudding does a man need before he finds his proof?
            What makes you.different from the perpetual pudding hunters disguised as proof hunters.
            
            Proof is to the man is what he has predetermined to be .... It is obvious what it is you want to hear as proof.
            
            If you understood that tbem you are able to understand this...otherwise nothing will make sense.
            
            The man who do not know truth cannot help but speak lies continually....but in his speaking he must first determine the truth....so therefore he never speaks a lie but truth continually.

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               ib radmastersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see any pudding!

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting question.
      
      In the first instance the claim that a third of the angels left heaven is based on a particular interpretation in Revelation. Here John sees what is believed by some as Haley's comet. As it passed through it was so bright it obscured a number of stars. As he believed the stars were angels and the comet a dragon, he assumed the dragon swept these stars from heaven. Personally Revelation contains too much Babylonian astrology and Persian superstition for my liking. To Judaism it is impossible for angels to rebel anyway.
      
      Back to the question. You are right there have been no updates from God since Jesus spoke and he gave very little away. In fact he focused not so much on heaven but on living right in this life. So that is the important thing to him and our lives will be thing the gets measured.
      
      If I were to believe that Revelation was the word of God, then I would understand that we don't go to heaven but that we live with God on a renewed Earth.
      
      When I'm not grumpy I do seek God but for the purposes of hoping to understand the truth behind the popular surface interpretations of the bible.

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         ib radmastersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting comment.
         However, my point is that no one has seen God, bible quotes or not, and no one has seen Heaven, bible quotes or not.
         
         so why would someone choose God and or Heaven without knowing what it is about.
         
         Unfortunately, the words of the New Testament failed to change the ways of humans. They are as bad today as they have been since recorded history.
         
         Thanks

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      White Ghost126posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Was it not but 1 angel that fell..... Lusifer and he was made with the ability to make all kinds of music, He knew he was not gonna win so why not take as many as he can down with him. And the no one has seen stuff is not acurate at all. Have you seen air, wind, heat, a cold germ. NO but you see the effects of these things. You see the effect of God just like heat, wind, ect. And one more thing, would you chose heaven or hell. you cannot see hell or satan, but do you really want to risk it. I cant change your mind but I can give you proof. ( I did not even quote from the Bible)

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         ib radmastersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         White Ghost
         
         You didn't offer any proof, we can actually see air, wind, heat, a cold germ with the proper equipment, but there is no equipment to see a non existent God.
         
         The effects that I see in the world, would be more of evil than God. Earthquakes, Floods, Tsunamis, Hurricanes etc.
         
         Remember, even in the bible no one has ever seen God. And also The Angels that left with Lucifer had been in heaven and seen God and yet left all of it.
         
         The Jews also saw Jesus, and decided not to follow him.
         So while you have not Seen God, Heaven or Jesus you believe in them. And why would Lucifer punish those that follow him instead of God?
         
         Do you think that there is a pass fail or a curve to get into heaven?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The most interesting question would be why you'd be drawn to the 1/3 instead of the 2/3.   At first I thought maybe you really didn't understand, but it's actually looking more like "sympathy for the devil".  Really.

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