Who is the liar in Eden? Half truth? Spiritual VS physical?

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   ptosisposted 11 years ago

   Who is the liar in Eden? Half truth? Spiritual VS physical?
   
   Genesis 2:17 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die'  Genesis 3:4 'Ye shall not surely die'  Genesis 5:5 Adam lived 930 years, and then he died. 2 Peter 3:8 — 'one day is like a thousand years'
   
   

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   irenemariaposted 11 years ago

   Snakes cannot talk. It was an angel  misleading Eve: (Revelation 12:9) . . ., the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;. . .

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   Ms Deeposted 11 years ago

   It is spiritual vs physical death. Spiritual death = separation from God. They were cast out of God's garden of Eden where they lived in his presence.

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   whittwritesposted 11 years ago

   The initial liar in Eden was Satan who came in the form of a serpent. The serpent in this case must stood upright because later God casts him down to crawl on the ground. Later Adam and Eve engage in a little deception of their own combined with some half truths. Adam blamed Eve and then Eve blamed the serpent. 
   
   The other part of the curse is the physical and spiritual separation from God.  Man also would now physically die.  This is simple answer there is also a whole lot more to the story theologically.

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   tajmanposted 11 years ago

   God was talking about physical death. The spirit never 'dies'.  Its existence after physical death resides in hell or Heaven. The serpent was the liar because Adam (and Eve) would never have tasted ageing or the subsequent death if they had not sinned. A point to note also is that even though Adam and Eve didn't have the same kind of fellowship they had with God in Eden, God never terminated his fellowship with man, in fact God made every effort to not just rebuild the fellowship man had foolishly forfeited, but he made it even better through the Lord Jesus Christ.

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      ptosisposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If Adam & Eve didn't have knowledge of good & evil then how could they have sinned? Akin 2 saying my puppy 'sinned' because it urinated on my carpet. If the sin is disobeying God then that's still cruel because a puppy can't be trained in 1 s

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   Jewelsposted 11 years ago

   It refers to the Fall, meaning those who eat of the knowledge are then subject to the cycle of life and death, reincarnation.  whereas those who remain as enlightened beings have eternal life.
   
   Our physicalness is because of a denseness of existence - fallen state. Unlike the ethereal states of consciousness where one is whole.  Our physical evolution has seen us more incarnated.  Especially as we are more subject to materalistic reductionism than ever, it's harder to reach those states of wholeness.
   
   Eating of the knowledge refers to not seeing oneself as enlightened or as divine as the source, instead seeing duality and separation - hence our fall into matter.
   
   There is no need to blame the serpent, it is to see the serpent within us, the part that looked outside instead of within.

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      ptosisposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thankx for the great answer!

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   Segun Tewogbolaposted 11 years ago

   The deceiver is the liar in the Garden of Eden. It was not about medical death that God was talking here, but a spiritual separation from God. They wanted to have it their way (Adam & Eve) without God. That is death. Anything that is physical is temporal, but the spiritual is eternal. Think about this.

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