Why do you think that gun laws don't help with crime?

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   nightwork4posted 11 years ago

   Why do you think that gun laws don't help with crime?
   
   The U.S. has some of the least strict gun laws but an extremely high rate of murder compared to other countries, why is that ?

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   JThomp42posted 11 years ago

   Because if someone wants a gun? They can get one illegally easier than they can obtain one legally. Look at how many felons end up with guns which is against the law. No matter, If someone wants a gun bad enough they are going to get one regardless of the law.

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      nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      of course they can get a gun, that's not what i asked.why is the country with the least strict gun laws the king of murders with guns if gun laws don't help.

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      KK Trainorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Where are you hearing that we are the king of murders? That's just crazy. Go travel some and see if you feel safer in Europe or anywhere else. Violent people and criminals are everywhere and guns don't make them kill.

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   Attikosposted 11 years ago

   It's a common belief among control advocates that the US has one of the world's highest rates of violent crime. It's not true. On an overall basis, it's in the lower half, a fraction of Eastern Europe's for instance, and if you focus on the real and broader issue of violent crime rather than artificially limiting consideration to gun murders alone less than Britain's. Exclude the high-crime districts of the metropolitan areas of the US, e.g. East L.A., Detroit and the District of Columbia, and America has one of the world's lowest rates.
   
   There probably are more privately owned firearms in America than there are people. No one really knows, but that would be a good guess. All those guns have not resulted in more violent crime, and there is a pretty strong argument they help control it.
   
   CCC: Culture is the Cause of Crime. If you want to see a really violent one, visit a pub in Scotland on a Saturday night or an open market in South Africa. You won't find it in American flyover country.

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      KrisLposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the information: the truth is always welcome. I think people compare the US to countries of similar wealth & stability, not E. Europe etc.

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   KrisLposted 11 years ago

   Countries with strict gun laws simply don't have as many guns in circulation.  While an experienced, dangerous professional criminal would still be able to purchase a gun for a high price in those countries, the average mugger, burglar, etc would not be able to go to the trouble and expense to get one. Therefore less murder.
   
   Also, when it comes to suicide, assaults commited in hot blood between those who know one another, and tragedies caused by prejudice and criminal stupidity like the murder of Trayvon Martin, having guns -- legally _or_ illegally obtained -- leads to more deaths.
   
   Of course, if we suddenly outlawed all guns in private hands except for rifles and shotguns for hunting and home defence we would still have a lot of guns in illegal circulation, and our murder rate would probably go down rather slowly.
   
   Still I think it would be worth it . . . though politically impossible.

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      KK Trainorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Not only politically impossible, but Constitutionally impossible. Our right is protected and can't be taken away just because some would like to think that it would make it more difficult for people to kill each other. They's just find other ways.

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      darklandposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I have to agree with KK on this, the greatest murderers and criminals in history are bad governments not burglars, hot heads or the unbalanced.

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @KrisL, we're in the middle of a take-over. 9/11 was an inside job. That was tough for even me to understand, but then 2000 scientists, engineers and architects presented evidence to sealed it. The new, Hitler 2.0 doesn't want us to have guns.

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      peeplesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Lone, may I ask is there a site where I can read about what you are talking about? Never heard of scientists presenting evidence.

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   Mr. Happyposted 11 years ago

   Crime doesn't care about laws. That is why laws do not help with crime. Solve the issues with poverty and education then, we'll see less violence. Give kids something to do other than hang-out on the street, opportunities ...

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @Mr. Happy, I tried to vote up more than once, but it wouldn't let me. Very well put!
      
      Some of these gun disasters are likely staged by a government hungry to eliminate all liberties. Outlaw guns and only the outlaws will have them.

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   daskittlez69posted 11 years ago

   Gun laws?  Gun laws are a hindrance to those of us who own guns.  Not to the ones out shooting people and holding up banks or the local 7-11.  If you are going to rob a bank you are not going to buy a gun at a store and register it.  You are going to get the gun illegally.

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   darklandposted 11 years ago

   You are not taking into account almost all the countries on earth. Most have neither the ability nor interest in keeping any sort of realistic record of criminal activity. The US has an extremely accurate system for keeping statistics.  Your comparison is among a handful of nations.  Those countries tend to have a high standard of living and address social problems within their societies. Also those countries tend to not have a tradition of firearms in their background. It's hard to measure how stricter gun laws might effect the US.  New York has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and no lack of crime. 
   There are a number of developed nations that not only don't control guns but actually issue them to their citizens and have shooting competitions that resemble county fairs several times a year to be sure the citizens are proficient with their weapons.  These countries are ones that suffered from Nazi aggression during World War II.  They learned what real criminals can do and never want to be subjected to it again.   We need only to consult history to see that the greatest evil has always come from governments controlled by criminals. I invite you to visit 20th century Russian history, at least 72 million deaths under the communist regime and an untold number of various other capital crimes.  We have to seriously consider all of the risks we face if we give up our right to protect ourselves and each other.

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   lone77starposted 11 years ago

   @nightwork4, I don't know where you're getting your statistics, but America is not the big bad place you make it out to be. The only real bad hats are in the government and behind the scenes (Rockefellers, Goldman-Sachs, Halliburton and their ilk).
   
   http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m … per-capita
   
   This is for 2006 and shows USA not even in the top 37 listed. Turkey was #1. Ukraine, Romania, Finland, Sweden, Australia, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany and Spain made the list.
   
   http://www.heuni.fi/Satellite?blobtable … cation/pdf
   
   Nearly every country in the Americas had a higher homicide rate than USA (exceptions: Canada, Chile, Bermuda and Dominica).
   
   During the aftermath of Katrina, homeowners were ordered by soldiers to give up their guns. Some refused. Some soldiers refused to obey that unconstitutional order. Why would guns be helpful in a disaster zone with roaming gangs of thieves? Wouldn't you want to be able to protect your family?
   
   Gun laws don't help because outlawing guns will only mean that outlaws will have guns.

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   nightwork4posted 11 years ago

   it's nice to see that people actually paid attention to this question. i know the stats around the world and i know how safe the U.S. is. i asked this question to see how many people actually believe that gun laws help because i don't believe they do. yes, the U.S. has a high murder rate but it has nothing to do with gun laws but what do you think the cause is?

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      Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Social collapse in those metropolitan districts exhibiting high crime rates, fueled and perpetuated by politically motivated dependency programs.

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      peeplesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Are you deleting my comments night? There was one here!? I see my answer is gone too!

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      darklandposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      whew, thanks nightwork we were starting to worry about you.  I think kids in the inner city, who are not trained to understand guns think they are mystical and magical. They commit crimes with this magic wand to feel powerful.

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