AT&T , IBM Continuation in Outsourcing Jobs ?

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   *Laying off or firing thousands of US workers , ATT cuts 16,000 jobs , IBM   30,000 +   to give jobs more than likely to foreign nationals  who work cheaper .
   
   Where is the liberal outrage ?
   Or are these liber companies  ?
   
   *Breitbart

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hey, horse, how about bagging up your droppings?
      
      You righties are the ones that want to blame immigrants and corporate disincentives for the reason why jobs are not being created. You have all made that excuse like a broken record during Obama's term. But the reality is different. Yes, I am outraged that the Right is ALWAYS wrong.
      
      This is just the Capitalist system in action that you all extol the virtues of without limit, ad nauseum. So don't blame liberals and progressives for this outcome. Has not YOUR King come forth to tell us how he is going to "Fix It"?

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      Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      lol "let the market decide" ahorseback.
      
      Surely you're not in favor of government interfering with the free market to ensure companies are socially responsible? That's sounds like . . . socialism!

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   I think if you look at buying trends among the populace, it's hard to point a finger without being hypocritical.

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   No Don W  I would not want that , But like liberals use the Harley Davidson issue for politics , I'm just returning the favor .

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      Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, so you think Trump is wrong for trying to interfere with companies that want to outsource jobs?

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I think companies who outsource should be outsorced  themselves ,  I don't mean physically ,  I mean take tax breaks away ,   take grant monies away , take higher tax payments from them .   take away the protections they enjoy from the US government , copyright protections for instance  ,  stop allowing companies to hire of "work visa"and their related   offenses .    Protectionism of American jobs and productions is not a dirty word. Nationalism  and flag branding isn't a negative .   Like auto mfgs ,  a certain percentage of labor and included product should be mfg'd here .
         
         Taxation is and should be a very useable and  persuasive tool.

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            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            For once, Horse, I whole heartedly agree with you on this.

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               ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               There are common sense measures affordable to all of this ,  I just wonder often why the  government can't gain common sense enough to respond in kind ? Credence,  for instance -Why are work visa's owners forcing  Americans inside  America to have to train  foreigners to take their jobs  and then get fired from that job?

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                  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You got a point there, Horse. We both have to ask the question as to how serious we are about job creation and maintenance beyond the lip service from EITHER side? Just like we spoke before, can you really be serious about immigration reform without penalizing those that hire them?  This is the same thing the corporations want; the tax breaks and favorable benefits in exchange for layoffs or directing their hiring efforts to foreign immigrants?
                  
                  Why should I help them undermine the American workers and the American economy, and do it on my dime? These entities whimper and complain, but they have never had any intentions of doing their part to improve things.

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            Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I thought you said you don't want government interference with the free market.
            
            Isn't that exactly what you've just described?

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               ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Free market in country and in country only , the minute they outsource OR insource job markets they lose US advantages ,  Simple, Don't try to twist that so easily .

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                  Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I confess, I've been playing a little game. Trying to get your conservatism to have a fight with your nationalism to see what would happen. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
                  
                  But this does seem like an interesting conundrum from a conservative viewpoint.
                  
                  Trying to get companies to retain domestic jobs by penalizing them for making decisions in their own best interest in the global marketplace, doesn't seem to align with the conservative concept of a free market.
                  
                  Yet, if you align economic policy to the concept of a free market, companies will inevitably do what's in their own interest at the expense of domestic labor.
                  
                  You reconcile those two by transforming the concept of "the free market" into "the free (domestic) market". That's just shenanigans though isn't it? Like it or not, companies operate in a global market nowadays surely.
                  
                  I should say, as a wishy-washy-liberal-snowflake-social-justice-warrior I can cite social responsibility as justification for such interference, so it's less of a conundrum. There is no conflict between wanting to do right by local workers while trying to align to a "let the market decide", "small government" mantra, which is nice.

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                     ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I will admit , I was a Regan freak from long before he ran for president .  When Reagan went towards  the light of world free trade , I forgot what his term was ,...... I thought no !     We have to protect US companies , jobs , copyrights and again , JOBS .   And I wish he had .
                     
                     Nationalism in this sense isn't however a "dirty word " ,  and we need to protect --first -- our jobs , our companies , our copyrights , our stock markets , And-- I understand the importance of the free world trade market too and how that benefits us .
                     
                     Free world trade is a relative term , doesn't mean we can't allow US success' from that trade ,  Protect US jobs first right ?

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                        Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        That's interesting.
                        
                        If I squint my eyes, your conservative "nationalism" in this sense, doesn't seem a million miles away from liberal "social responsibility" (people before profit).
                        
                        You'll see the cracks if you look too closely, but helping protect ordinary workers from the negative effects of big business operating in a global economy, could be a line of commonality. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.

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                        Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        What you manage to run from, Horse, is the contradiction that stares us all in the face. You conservatives are the ones that want to trust corporate America with endless giveaways as the "job creators" when they clearly show that they are more than willing to relieve themselves and help themselves to national treasury at my expense and provide nothing in return.

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                           ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           I watched a commercial on TV this morning about "How you can eliminate your Federal college loans  in one phone call "  ,  In today's quests for free everything Credence , I'm just not sure who is screwing the pooch the most , Corporate America or Joe and Jane America ,  There is more than enough room for all in your "staring us all in the face "  Like it or not !

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