Biden And Cuomo Have Multiple Allegations Of Sexual Harassment
So Biden finally answered a reporter's question. And in my book, he should have kept his long silence. His response made me think back to when we witnessed many women coming out with very similar sexual allegations against him, even forcible rape. Oh my, I for one am sick of Biden's hypocrisy. Joe would be best not to open his mouth unless reading from a teleprompter.
Sunday, March 14, 2021, President Joe Biden made his first comments in regard to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's sexual harassment allegations. Governor Cuomo has been asked to resign over the recent allegations of sexual harassment by at last count 7 women. In response to a reporter's question about whether the governor should step down, Biden said: "I think the investigation is underway and we should see what it brings us."
While campaigning for president Biden was accused by at least 8 women of sexual harassment, and one allegation of rape. Biden denied all allegations, and the women's claims were not investigated. It would appear a new standard has emerged in regards to how sexual allegations are handled. We have a president that has sexual harassment alligations brushed aside, while many are up in arms requesting all the women are listening to, and their allegations investigated.
Tara Reade Accuses Joe Biden Of Rape
March 25, 2020: In a podcast by Katie Halper, Tara Reade claimed Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, pressing her up against a wall in his office, kissing her neck, and penetrating her vagina with his fingers by prying her legs open with his knees. She said he then laughed it off after she rebuffed him. She told Halper she did not share the full story previously because she feared retribution.
On April 9, 2020, Reade filed a police report in Washington, D.C., police alleging sexual assault, telling reporters it was about Biden and the 1993 incident. She claimed she filed the police report due to feeling frightened for her safety. Thus far four of Reade's friends and a neighbor have verified that they had a good recollection of Reade sharing the attack with them at or near the time the attack took place.
Five other women stepped up and alleged that Joe Biden either touched them, lingered over their hair touching and smelling it, inappropriately violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.
-- Ally Coll, former Democratic staffer - Reported to WAPO Biden complimented on her smile, proceeded to touch her shoulders squeezing, and held on for a bit too long.
-- Sofie Karasek complained of Biden grabbing both of her hands pulling her in ending up forehead to forehead. This occurred at the 2016 Academy Awards. Sofie claimed he violated her space and made her feel uncomfortable.
-- Amy Stokes Lappos stated Biden put his hands behind her head and pulled me very close as if he were going to kiss her.
-- Caitlyn Caruso told the New York Times that in 2016 Biden pulled her in and hugged her and let his hand rest on her tight at a university of Nevada event.
-- DJ Hill reported to the NYT that in 2012 at a fundraiser, Biden rested his hand on her shoulder and slowly worked his hand down her back. She complained of feeling very uncomfortable.
There were no investigations into any of these women's claims... Rape is a serious charge, and Ms. Reide's claims needed to be investigated, and should at this point still be investigated.
Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated? All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?I thought it wasn't important in the USA, as long as you have a power position you can do what you want. That's the message Trump gave us.
Shhhhhh, if you state the truth about this, you will be accused of having TDS, which is the standard response from a Trumper when confronted with the truth of what they have done..
I hoped I wouldn't have had to make this cynical comment. But as power corrupts, sexual liberties are easily made. (Which does not make them ok, not at all)
Biden could well have used his power in his younger days to have improper behavior. I don't know.
But a Trump supporter is the last one to put this forward.You're being judgemental without knowing my thoughts on Trump's sexual allegation. I actually shared my thoughts on the subject in several comments on this thread. perhaps you missed those sentiments. I see you just could not bring yourself to answer my two very direct questions. Oh well, that's your prerogative. Sometimes It's just easier to just skip over the direct subject of a thread altogether.
What you fail to see or acknowledge is pretty simple to understand if you just open your mind. Trump had 16(?) allegations of sexual assault against him, including the rape of a 13-year-old girl, most (maybe all) of which were known prior to his election in 2016. Yet, his supporters elected him president anyway, setting a shockingly new low standard for the character of a president. Those who voted for him did not care enough about those allegations to disqualify him from office. In fact, they rewarded him with the presidency.
Yet, here you are, somehow trying to deny that you and others turned a blind eye, and on top of that, suddenly claiming that you care about women who have been preyed upon by powerful men.
Many of us just don't buy it.I never claimed you presented half truths. You're not tracking very well.
The rest is just more of the same. As I already proved, I answered your original questuins, you just chose to pursue the rest of my comments.
And, no, I don't speak for others. I merely know plenty of people who, like me, are sick of Trumpers suddenly pretending to care about the character of a president.
As a reminder, I answered your questions. very early on in this thread. Since you're not tracking well, I'll recap: I would like to see the allegations against Biden investigated. I also think Cuomo should resign and would be pleased if Biden stepped down and Kamala Harris was president.
Can you track that now?"And, no, I don't speak for others. I merely know plenty of people who, like me, are sick of Trumpers suddenly pretending to care about the character of a president."
.I was pointing out Bidens Hypocrisy. Read the OP from the start. I lay out my subject in the first couple of paragraphs. I add some info on facts, I end with two simple questions.
So, you spoke your piece you don't like a Trump supporter pointing out Character flaws in a president.
Well, that's your problem, and unless HP restricts Trump supporters from HP's you will have a problem. I am not going to stop posting my opinion or threads. I don't care what you think about Trump supporters, or me for that matter. I knew I should not interact with you... My bad
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What do you mean by prerogative?
I don't care about the political party. If a man abuses his power and is accused of sexual harassment, this should be looked into. And if guilty, judged. No matter the party.
But we just had a president who openly said that he “grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” If you, voted for this man, knowing this, before the first election. Then you are on thin ice accusing President Biden on the same thing.
Sexual harassment is sexual harassment, no matter what party you belong to. Being ok with Trump and just saying "O, it's locker room talk." is not ok! imo.I will bow out of this conversation. I don't think you understood my OP. I felt I was clearly pointing to the problem that hypocrisy. Biden used it when he offered a statement on Cuomo's allegations. I found him to be very hypocritical due to the fact he felt we needed to wait on the investigation before commenting. There were no investigations in the case of the allegations that were brought forth during his campaign.
I thought my questions were so well-versed and should be easy to answer. Oh well, our opinion is miles apart... the conversation seems to be at a wall. No reason for either of us to waste any further energy. Agree to disagree. We are surly from different political persuasions. At any rate glad to see you took the time to comment.
Truth... what are you talking about. Point out a mistruth in my OP. I stated total facts I was very careful to do just that. Ugly facts so are it, but facts. Point out a mistruth. Easy to say something is not true, not so easy to prove it. It almost seems to mean to always see you pushed into a corner. But you do it to yourself. Seems self-destructive. You never have anything to fall back on.
Well, your statement rings perfectly true to me, I agree. Trump certainly had many women step up with allegations, and they should have also been heard and their allegations investigated. They were not Neither was the accusations on Biden. Why are we investigating the Cuomo accusations and asking him to resign? We have had a former president and a present president that we did not ask to resign. Why are we going after Cuomo, so many asking him to resign? Is this hypocritical?
So to ask my questions---
Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated? All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as
rape been ignored?
Hopefully, I can persuade you to answer my two questions.
These are serious allegations about both men. My point is how have they surfaced all these years. It means something is wrong with the system that these men could still keep rising up and their crimes went unnoticed. I wonder how far it is correct to dig up old skeletons when no action was taken at that time. The great Indian political analyst and advisor Chanakya had said that the people get the government and the rulers they deserve. If this is the yardstick the American people have themselves voted such men to power.
In my opinion, some men in America are exempt from being charged or even scrutinized for disrespecting women in a sexual nature. It's become part of our culture to look the other way, make excuses for the "right man".
More powerful men can get away with this disgusting form of abuse. As Biden did, and most likely Cuomo will too. It's obvious many American's are willing to look the other way when it comes to sex abuse - They did with Biden, as well as Trump. He has such a bad reputation for showing inappropriate sexual gestures. One such oddity, he can't resist smelling women's hair.
- PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago
0I think Cuomo should resign. Trump set the new low standard for presidential conduct. If you supported Trump, then you don't care about multiple sexual abuse allegations against your president. Unless, of course, you are a flaming hypocrite.
Your hypocrisy is shocking. Oh, wait, let me take that back. It is just more of the same from you. No longer shocking, just par for the course.
I would be happy if Biden resigned and Kamala became president. But, like I said, you Trumpers set the new standards so low that any subsequent president would have to be corrupt beyond belief to exceed his depths.Biden is the president at this point. I am current with what is happening now. If I brought up Trump and the sexual allegations I would be beating a dead horse. Although in my comment to MG SINGH prior to your comment I did include Trump and inferred he did have the same type of allegations against him. I don't discriminate between men that have been accused of sexual harassment.
I am simply pointing out Biden's hypocrisy due to his recent statement about the ongoing investigation into the sexual allegations Cuomo faces.
Realistically Biden and Trump are neck and neck when it comes to sexually harassing women.
I am not sure about Biden being corrupt. I have seen no evidence of that, I have seen evidence of him sexually harassing women. That's what this thread is about.
So do you think Biden's sexual alligations and Rape charge should be investigated?Of course, but like I said, who really cares anymore? After Trump supporters set the bar so low, why should we suddenly care enough to bother?
I care--- That's why I pointed out this blatant hypocrisy. The Democrats that voted for a man that has one of the very faults they disliked in Trump.
They stood on a great big "me Too" float screaming their cries " All women should be heard! But, it turned out they should only be heard if it will not hurt one of their own... Just pointing out the silly mindsets of SOME liberals, the clear blind hypocrisy.You are so oblivious. You care about Biden's accusers after not caring about Trump's accusers, which included a 13-year-old girl? You are the definition of partisan hypocrisy.
Like I said, I would be happy if both Cuomo and Biden were gone. You, on the other hand, supported an alleged child rapist and a man who flat out admitted he assaulted women.
Pardon me if I find your "caring" to be suspect.I am not expressing any form of caring,. My OP was almost presented in a clinical fashion.
I am pointing out hypocrisy on a given subject. I asked a question to evoke an opinion.
Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated? All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?
And You are wrong, I was for any and all of Trump's accusers to be heard. It would seem you have a misconception about my thoughts about those that came forward with sex alligations on Trump. But, it would also seem you just assume whatever you please.
Well, at least I did learn one thing from this go-round you support Harris.
Sharlee; "I care--- That's why I pointed out this blatant hypocrisy. "
Sharlee, very next post: "I am not expressing any form of caring,."
You frequently contradict yourself then deny it.
Wait for it....
And the allegations against Biden were investigated, such as the Reade incident, and that one was found not credible. Right wing media doesn't tell their followers that point.
Cuomo's are currently being investigated. If the are credible, he will be removed.Not one was investigated. Proof it --- who investigated any of the allegations made against Biden. I have not found any information on an investigation into the Biden sexual harassment allegations. I presented the allegations, you have presented nothing but an unproven couple of sentences. No one investigated any of the Biden allegations They were reported and dropped. The women were all very credible. Prove your point.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52462113
Not contradicting myself. I did not express my personal opinion on caring about sexual abuse in my OP. That would be an entirely different subject and confuse my point.
I responded to your personal comment. in regards to not caring about sex abuse.
PP "You are so oblivious. You care about Biden's accusers after not caring about Trump's accusers, which included a 13-year-old girl? You are the definition of partisan hypocrisy."
You have once again selected a few words and took them out of context. I was being clinical in OP. When you got personal I responded in a personal fashion to your comment. It would appear you have nothing to offer to the real subject --- hypocrisy of the left in the case of Biden/Cuomo allegations being treated differently.
To honestly address my feelings on sexual abuse ---- My opinion in regard to sexual deviates although would be a very interesting thread is not what this thread was about. I have witnessed the work of deviates first hand as an ER nurse, rape, incest, you name it, seniors from nursing homes, right down to infants. I can assure you I hate sexual abuse of any kind. Hopefully, that clears up my opinion of sex deviates. It's ugly in any form.
I don't think Cuomo should resign because of the "allegations" unless they are proven.
It became a political pile-on as soon as the opportunity was recognized. I doubt that many of those calling for him to step down, (the politicians), could stand the same scrutiny.
I am not a Cuomo fan, but I am not a fan of lynch mobs either. It will be ironic that if the allegations are true all those chasing him will feel righteous when in fact they will just be lucky they got it right—this time.
GABack to the subject for one quick moment. Do you find it hypocritical how Biden's sexual allegations although given media attention in some respect, did not receive any form of investigations.?
I agree that many that who are asking Cuomo to step down could stand the scrutiny. And he should not step down if the allegations are not proven to be true.
Cuomo deserves the allegations to be investigated, as all sexual abuse claims should be investigated. As they should have been in regards to Trump, and Biden. Too bad this is not the norm for all.
Not sure how the subject was so quickly ignored and is now about should Cuomo step down, and me being a hypocrite for voting for Trump.
Go figure --- I think the many that post on this forum voted for Biden. So, would that not make them wearing the same hypocrisy tattoo on their forehead as they placed on mine?
What a crock, sick of the hypocrisy hence this thread.Months after Trump left the White House, TDS is still alive and well. We need a vaccine for that as much as for COVID.
So agree... I certainly can see some have just pretty much decided to ignore any negativity away from Biden and his administration. This thread is a perfect example. Flip it into being personal, and taking the conversation to another somewhat related subject.
This forum seems to be very much a one-way street, Trump Blvd. I intend to head down another road... Old Biden Road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDAQtoL25A
Before Trump, a man with that many (16?) allegations would never have been elected. Trumpers made that happen. They forever lowered the standard for presidential character. To now act like you care is laughable.
Oh, I forgot, you don't actually care.You're being repetitive... Read my opening OP ... How about a comment on the subject of Hypocrisy of Biden's Sexual allegations not being investigated. Otherwise, not interested in your view in regard to Trump. I have thoroughly given my opinion on the Trump sex allegations. From my second comment, I included him in the Politicians that have been accused of sexual misbehavior. Do you read the comments? This is about Biden and Cuomo.
You flipped the conversation because you either did not understand my OP or you just could not come up with anything to justify the hypocrisy of the left seeing Cuomo as a Perv but not Biden as a perv. I guess it would be hard to argue that fact.I answered your question right at the beginning. Did you forget already? Isn't that a sign of age-related confusion, like Biden forgetting a name he just said minutes earlier?
Really here is my question --- Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated? All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?
PP "I think Cuomo should resign. Trump set the new low standard for presidential conduct. If you supported Trump, then you don't care about multiple sexual abuse allegations against your president. Unless, of course, you are a flaming hypocrite.
Your hypocrisy is shocking. Oh, wait, let me take that back. It is just more of the same from you. No longer shocking, just par for the course.
I would be happy if Biden resigned and Kamala became president. But, like I said, you Trumpers set the new standards so low that any subsequent president would have to be corrupt beyond belief to exceed his depths."
As one can see you did not address the question. Your response --- In no respect does your comment address my question. You just go off on a Trump rant and offer a personal opinion or observation of me such as "you are a flaming hypocrite". As you have in this latest comment referring to my age. When cornered you get personal with and most often offer a glib-type statement. You do this frequently. I would think you would stick to the subject.
I could certainly get in the mud with you, in my view, my opinion of you is not relevant.Thank you for proving my point. But to bolster it, I will add your question and my response, from the second comment I made:
Sharlee: So do you think Biden's sexual alligations and Rape charge should be investigated?
Me: Of course, but like I said, who really cares anymore? After Trump supporters set the bar so low, why should we suddenly care enough to bother?I made no mention of Cuomo resigning in any of my comments....
I don't even know what you mean? I was pointing out my OP had nothing to do with Cuomo resigning. I don't think he should resign. Nothing actually has been proven by any of his accusers. I just wonder why no investigation on Biden's sex accusations. Not sure how Cuomo resigning plays into my OP. But whatever.
I do not find the lack of a Biden investigation any more hypocritical than the normal politics-as-usual hypocrisy we see every week.
It appears Ms. Reade's allegations were 'investigated' by at least two major media outlets; Time and the New York Times, and they appeared to find no more proof than Ms. Reade's claims, and claims from a few others that she had told them about it..
It would be expected that those in Biden's staff would not claim any recollection of what she charged, but their lack of recollection could also be legitimate if the claims aren't true.
*shrug . . . I think the media investigations were sufficient for the charges made.
GA
How do you prove something that occurred between two people? What constitutes proof?
More than an unsupported claim of "Me too!", that's for sure.
A claim has been made; let the claimant either prove it beyond a reasonable doubt or sue for defamation and libel.We would all like the answers to those questions. All I can come up with is that a claim needs some type of credible substantiation.
That the claim was told or intimated to a few other people isn't substantial enough for me. Also, the cynical male in me wonders about the 27 year lag between the event and the claims.
Maybe we need to marry the #metoo movement with a Reagan philosophy; "trust but verify."
GA
As with all things on the left...'rules for thee but not for me'. I hear Cuomo is now blaming it on cancel culture. I doubt Biden is coherent enough to be aware of the allegations.
I just have to laugh at those last two comments. After the double standards the right has implored during Trump's term, to actually post those statements is ridiculous. The alternate reality one has to live in to not see your own hypocrisy of criticizing politicians for abuses of women after voting for a known abuser of women and one accused of abuse of a 13-year old child.
The magnitude and absurdity is unbelievable. I guess when you fall for a con you fall all the way to the bottom.
Biden and Cuomo have been accused of misbehavior while holding public office. I get your comment where Biden is concerned. The allegations are old. But Cuomo is being accused in real time. There is a difference.
Either way, I've consistently said investigations need to prove guilt. It is the left who advocate shoot first, ask questions after the funeral. It's hypocrisy not to continue on in that vein, when the allegations are on a left leaning politician.Solid deflection away from your 'different set of rules' comment that had me rolling. You thinking that only the left has different rules is a serious case of rose-colored glasses. Mean tweets, deficits, supreme court selections, tolerance for sexual assault allegations, amount of golf a president plays, memory lapses - of which I posted a whole video on and got 'Trump butchers names but Joe has dementia.' The list goes on and on. Take a hard look in the mirror before posting that kind of partisan attack.
I see your stand as a solid deflection from reality. You compare apples and oranges when you compare Trump butchering a name to Biden's obvious issues with dememtia and memory loss.
I have no idea what your comment about supreme court selections is complaining about. Is it the 30 year old allegation that not one person could corroborate, in any minute way or do you think a Catholic mother is unfit to serve?
The mean tweet complaint, I'm assuming you are speaking of Trump, is solid. Trump said mean things. And maybe he opened the door to the leftist social mob being mean. But, I don't think so. And one guy saying rude things does not compare to a mob not only saying mean things but trying to destroy others lives.
Please. If you think others need to look in the mirror...so the same.I was referring to a previous thread where because Biden forgot Austin's name, suddenly it must be dementia according to the right. When provided multiple instances of Trump doing the same thing, but then just making up whatever name he wanted, it was butchering.
As for Supreme Court, Garland not given consideration because it was the final year of Obama's term - but then with just a month or two to go, Coney-Barrett needs to get rushed through. Two completely different standards.
And Trump was horrific on social media. Then Tanden gets nominated for a cabinet post and suddenly some of her social media posts are grounds to sink her nomination. Complete double standard by the right there.
You clearly have no idea where your own party's double standards exist.He is spinning out of control with all Trump TrumpTrump... He has brought up some viable subjects. Biden's confused state being one such mess we as a nation now have to deal with. Not to mention the many executive order this failing man has been sighing that not many are aware of due to all the smoke and mirror the Dems are using sticking Cuomo up as a sacrificial lamb. They are always up to give up one of their own for the cause. It is clear Biden or should I call him Obiden is working quickly to all Obama's policies.
They totally have rose-colored glasses. They went after Cuomo with gusto. Asking for his resignation, using the media to aid in their smear campaign
The state of New York is investigating Cuomo.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n … s/2923534/
AGIAN who investigated Biden and the sex allegations against him? NO ONE!
Why skip to Joe's dementia problem, that is a very complex subject. Perhaps we need a thread on the subject. Let me oblige.
You may be dancing yourself spinning yourself into exhaustion. You're deflecting big time.Go do some actual research. For the love of God. You making the same claim that no investigating was done just makes you sound uninformed.
Is she wrong about there being no investigation? Or, could you be talking about official vs unofficial investigations?
I did a `quick look-about' 'and found that two media organizations did "investigate" Reade's claims, (I wouldn't say they "debunked" her claims, it appeared the best they could say was that they found no corroborating evidence to support her claims), but I didn't stumble across any information about any official, as in law-enforcement agency, investigation.
GAAn article I read said she filed a police report (recently, not when it allegedly happened) and that the investigation is still.open.
Politico went into some deep detail on her:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 … ces-260771
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05 … oubts.html
And when they opened an investigation into Reade for inflating her credentials as an expert witness and potentially lying on the stand, her credibility was definitely in doubt.Two far-left outlets, and when did they become to be considered law enforcement agencies? Apples and oranges.
When a statute of limitations has long run out, why should a law enforcement agency investigate if they cannot charge a crime? It's no longer in their purview.
Yes, good thought, maybe Dems should have considered that sentiment when they went after Kavanaugh. Do you see how hypocrisy is prevalent in the Democratic party with the Cuomo canceling out? Let's face it the Government is drowning in hypocrisy. Is Cuomo guilty of sexual harassment, probably, does he deserve an investigation, probably, should we wait to see what the investigation turns up, I would say yes.
But one can see he is being picked out and piled on, just not one of the chosen one that they will look the other way.
I would love to offer an apology to anyone that could offer information that any official investigation took place on Biden's allegations of sexual harassment.
"The police investigation is currently open, though the statute of limitations for prosecuting the alleged assault has expired."
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 … allegationhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e … t-n1182296
When the rape happened she did this ---
"She also said that at the time of the incident, she filed a formal complaint through a Senate personnel office. In it, she said, she complained of harassment but didn't allege an assault.
Federal law at the time set forth procedures for allegations of harassment or discrimination in employment on the basis of gender, which would have included a hearing by a board of independent officers. No such process was initiated by Reade's complaint."
My OP is all factual... Sorry up to you to prove it isn't. Your opinion does little to prove anything. I offered facts.
'It would appear a new standard has emerged in regards to how sexual allegations are handled. We have a president that has sexual harassment alligations brushed aside, while many are up in arms requesting all the women are listening to, and their allegations investigated.' -Sharlee, the Fact Queen
Really? You think that is a fact? You make a claim that Biden's allegations were given a different treatment than Trump's in your opening post. Please tell me when the FBI investigated Trump's?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e … t-n1182296
"Reide filed a formal complaint through a Senate personnel office. In it, she said, she complained of harassment but didn't allege an assault.
Federal law at the time set forth procedures for allegations of harassment or discrimination in employment on the basis of gender, which would have included a hearing by a board of independent officers. No such process was initiated by Reade's complaint."
No one either understood the subject of my OP or chose to not address it. Which Live To Learn's comment was referring to.
I pointed out the sheer hypocrisy in the left due to their irate calls for Cuomo to be hung out to dry when they stood by Biden with the same allegations. No investigation, no irate calls for him to step away from his campaign. This was clear claimed the claims against Biden were investigated. I asked for a bit of proof, due to not being able to find any proof of your claim. Still waiting...
Now to address your subject, you feel it hypocritical for Trump voters to point out Biden's sexual allegations. I would not have thought it wise to point this out in the same breathe as hypocrisy. Here is why --- Biden received 81,283,098 votes. If your logic in regards to Trump voters being hypocrites due to voting for a person that was accused of sexual abuse, where does that leave the 81,283,098 citizens that voted for Biden. Your analogy gives way to pure hypocrisy.
"The alternate reality one has to live in to not see your own hypocrisy of criticizing politicians for abuses of women after voting for a known abuser of women and one accused of abuse of a 13-year old child."
Biden voters clearly slammed Trump for the sex alligations, yet voted for a man with that many women accused him of sexual harassment. So, it's an even playing field at this point. You yourself have slammed Trump with accusations of sexual abuse due to the many allegations. Those of us that choose to bring up Biden's sexual harassment charges have the same right to say --- ya voted for a man that has been accused of sexual abuse.
in the end, I voted for a man accused of sexual harassment, that went uninvestigated --- And hate to tell you so did you.
,The difference between you and me (can't speak for others)is that I would be happy if Joe resigned. You would be happy if Trump was still President.
Also, hair sniffing and shoulder caressing, as inappropriate and creepy as they are, are a far cry from Trump's own admission of pu$$y grabbing and the 16(?) allegations of rape and sexual assault leveled against him. Biden had one.
Don't get me wrong, I think Biden had predatory tendencies that he has managed to tamp down in recent years. Trumo, on the other hand, is an unrepentant predator. They are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
However you try to equate the two men--in terms of character, competence or intellect--you just look foolish and desperate to justify your support of a degenerate @ss.PP "The difference between you and me (can't speak for others)is that I would be happy if Joe resigned. You would be happy if Trump was still President."
Very true at this point, Trump in my view had a good job performance. Biden does not know what a job is.
Tara Reide --- he stuck his fingers in her vagina, perhaps you can call her a liar? I call that rape. Tamp down --- Goodie for us
PP "Don't get me wrong, I think Biden had predatory tendencies that he has managed to tamp down in recent years. Trumo, on the other hand, is an unrepentant predator. They are not equal by any stretch of the imagination."
At this point, I must say due to your train of thought it appears you want to compare who was the worse perv. yeah... IMO that is a very strange way to look at two men that abused women sexually. But to each their own. LOL
PP "However you try to equate the two men--in terms of character, competence, or intellect--you just look foolish and desperate to justify your support of a degenerate @ss."
No wasn't me! I have in no way compared these men in regards to anything.
My thread is all about Cuomo and Biden in regards to one is being investigated for sex abuse, the other was not, and is not thus far. I also made mention the same applied to Trump.
Your comment makes no sense. I certainly have made every attempt to get the point of the thread across. It's you that is spinning around and around posting opinions that just don't apply to the content of my OP.
NOT ABOUT TRUMP ABOUT BIDEB AND CUOMO. read my OP.Yes, my sentiments too. That's why you should read your comments before you post them. They make little to no sense.
I've noticed that's what you say to every one who doesn't agree with you or counters your argument. They don't understand what you said, they're taking you out of context, or they don't make sense.
I've seen you say the exact same thing probably dozens of times now to me, valent, Myesoteric, Islandbites, even GA.
Blah blah blahYes, to be honest, you are correct it's true -- I do point out the very problems you mentioned. I do feel more in tune with some that post here. I have not to hide that from you. I do point it out if I feel I have been taken out of context. I think I give most here good respect for their opinions, and how they present their opinion. Some, yes I will admit, not so much.
It is a pattern of not taking responsibility for your positions, in my opinion. Instead, you like to pretend those who oppose your view don't understand you or take you out of context. Sort of like playing the victim, if you ask me.
Just because you are unaware of the investigating that was done with someone like Reade, who was thoroughly debunked, does not necessarily mean that no investigating was done. Perhaps dig deeper outside your own sources because many of us actually dug into that issue before supporting Biden. So, your claim that people stood with Biden without any investigation is an outright lie. And if you are going to spread lies about us Biden supporters, expect some serious pushback on that.
And for many of us, the amount of allegations and severity of them in regards to Trump far dwarfs those made against Biden. That is not even close to 'an even playing field' as you are trying to argue. Biden has some creepiness, no denial there, but no 13-year old girl ever accused him in court of sexual assault. Trying to equate Biden with that kind of offense is a huge false equivalency.
And the point that makes this hypocritical is that you don't see Biden supporters making threads about sexual assault because we know our guy has issues. It was not a factor where either candidate had a clean sheet, so we focused on issues where there were starker differences - such as empathy, trust in science, and honesty."And for many of us, the amount of allegations and severity of them in regards to Trump far dwarfs those made against Biden."
This I could well believe, for it doesn't take proof, just allegations. For those "many" that's all it takes; unsupported claims of wrongdoing in order to pass judgement and convict.Taken with his own words where he admits, "I just grab them by the pu&&y," equates to one who admits that they are sexual abusers. My comparing Biden to Trump's allegations does not limit the proof of Trump admitting he did, in fact, on at least more than one occasion as the word 'them' insinuates, sexually assault a woman.
That does factor into the differences between the two men. One admits, even brags about, being a sexual assaulter to strangers in the media.That's what I said; all that is needed is an allegation. Not proof, not even supporting evidence; just unsupported claims. Including the abuse of a 13 year old child - something never admitted to at all, but now considered proven fact by those "many".
My very point --- Cuomo has been canceled out asked to resign without anything but allegations. He at this point has the AG in New York investigating the allegations. But let's hang him just because we can.
Why Cuomo and not Biden? Hypocrisy.Yes! You got it! And why go after Cuomo? Again hypocrisy. Long ass road to get the same juncture. OMG
Some people still care about integrity in their elected officials. The presidency is a special case now, because the standard for presidential character was set shockingly low by Trumpers who supported a self-admitted sexual predator.
Biden, no matter how hard you try to make it so, does not even come close to the abysmally low Trump standard. That is why the hypocrisy is on you.Your opinion, just not mine. I find it shocking that anyone would use Trump as an excuse for voting for Biden.
I feel the very same about you. I would be banned if I explained why I feel you are hypocritical, and it would be really unkind on my part. So maybe just time to take a break from conversing with you.Whatever you like. This would be, what, the fourth or fifth break?
You've already called all of us hypocrites many, many times. I guess it's worse when it's flicked back atcha, huh? lolNot calling anyone a hypocrite --- pointing out hypocrisy on a given subject., making a point. Did you ever debate in College?
One time, in an advanced communications class. Why?
I am direct, blunt. I am that way with everyone, not just you.
Also, I do have a problem with Trumpers. That is a fact. I cannot abide their hypocrisy and incessant excuse making. I cannot abide their inability to grasp simple truths while believing the most outrageous lies of their idol.
It is definitely a trigger for me when a Trumper has the gall to suddenly care about integrity and the character of the current president after not just standing by, but totally supporting the most corrupt, perverted, disgusting human being ever to occupy the White House.
If you criticize Biden's policies, you're on sold ground but when a Trumper criticizes the character or mental stability of any other president, they will receive my blunt assessments of their ridiculous hypocrisy without exception.I am direct, blunt. I am that way with everyone, not just you.
Also, I do have a problem with leftist ideologies. That is a fact. I cannot abide by their hypocrisy and incessant excuse-making. I cannot abide by their inability to grasp simple truths while believing the most outrageous mistruths.
It is definitely a trigger for me when a most left group-thinker has the gall to suddenly NOT care about integrity and the character of the current president. After four years of slamming the former president for the same crimes. Satisfied totally with supporting a man that was accused of sex abuse, appears to exhibit perverted tendencies for many years, and to some is thought of as a disgusting human being to ever occupy the White House.
If you criticize Trump's policies, you're on sold ground but when a leftist group thinker criticizes the character or mental stability of any other president, they will receive my blunt assessments of their ridiculous hypocrisy without exception.
This is debating 101... toss it all back at your opponent.
Would I have chosen to be so self-righteous? No, not really. But you did.'It is definitely a trigger for me when a most left group-thinker has the gall to suddenly NOT care about integrity and the character of the current president. After four years of slamming the former president for the same crimes. Satisfied totally with supporting a man that was accused of sex abuse, appears to exhibit perverted tendencies for many years, and to some is thought of as a disgusting human being to ever occupy the White House.'
I'll take Biden's level of integrity and character over Trump's, which was the choice in 2020, every day and twice on Sunday. Your false perception that we on the left don't care about character is a joke since that was a main reason why Trump was voted out of office, because he has none, whatsoever.
Then you bringing up something that cannot be proven from 27 years ago and asking for it to be investigated by law enforcement even when the statute of limitations has long passed is one disconnect from reality. The other is you even thinking anyone considers Biden a worse human being than Trump, the man who incited an armed insurrection against his own country that led to police being killed.I never said Biden should be investigated I left that up to anyone that wanted to answer my questions. In my OP I gave no opinion that should Buden be investigated. I asked the question that should be investigated.
Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated? All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?
The entire comment you responded to was me turning PP"s own words right back at her just changes the word Trumpster to most left group thinker. Just hoped to give an example of debating. I tossed her words back at her. I hoped to show how very self-righteous her words sounded.
You see we have many differing opinions. It's clear you both feel very strongly about thoughts, your opinion. Unfortunately, it is very clear it is far beyond either to see I feel very strongly in regard to my opinions and find yours just as distasteful as you find mine. Not sure how I can say that any other way. It should be evident that many American's have very strong feelings that oppose leftist views.
All your indignation becomes very foolish in some respects to me. As mine surely does to you.We on the left just wonder where you were back in 2016 when allegations of rape and sexual assault existed. Suddenly, it's a Democrat and you're asking the question after ignoring the issue while it was your guy.
I understand the differences between us. I would have asked a much different question as such. 'Between all the recent allegations of sexual misconduct with Cuomo, Biden and Trump, should there be a review process for candidates and what should the expectation be for someone already elected to office.'
That's what a non-partisan inquiry questioning a pertinent topic might look like.Where was I in 2016 --- The same place you should have been when sex allegations flooded out on Biden as he campaigned --- I addressed the issue as I have noted many times my reasons for voting for Trump. I voted on the agenda, his policies. I felt both candidates had very poor characters. I always vote I believe it's my duty or I should keep my mouth shut. I also am a conservative, a capitalistS So, Trump's ideologies were attractive to me. I also think due to being around for all of Hillary's political life, I could not have brought myself to vote for her. That's all she wrote, very simple I had a sh--t load to consider and made a choice on agenda, and policies.
My OP once again is about hypocrisy. Pointing out how the
Democrats ignored Biden, sex alligations and are crucifying Cuomo for the same actually lesser allegations of sexual harassment.
That's it.. That's what I hoped to convey. in my OP.
I think it would be a wonderful idea that we have a review process for candidates and what should the expectation be for someone already elected to office. It certainly might provide candidates that we would not have the need to hold our noses to vote.
Unfortunately, we as a society have permitted these kinds of candidates.
It ultimately was and is in our hands, we have the privilege to vote. Perhaps it's us that dropped the ball."I think it would be a wonderful idea that we have a review process for candidates and what should the expectation be for someone already elected to office."
First, the current expectation appears to be that anyone of an opposing party must have an absolute pristine past, without even a finger bone in the closet, let alone a whole skeleton. This is not only naïve but foolish to boot.
Second, any review process will be conducted with political goals and repercussions as the top priority; witness the flaying of Kavanaugh. The goal will not be to get a "good" candidate, but one that will produce the results the party wishes to see.
And finally, it seems rather silly to expect anything different from our political leaders - when we see the exact same thing we are complaining about them (refusal to be honest about past transgressions and the resulting hypocrisy) in the very people casting votes there isn't going to be any change at all. We will continue to accuse political opponents of gross malfeasance while ignoring that of our own choice. One has only to look over this thread to see that!I do think it would be a good idea to look deep into candidate's backgrounds. You have pointed out "hit in the face reality. Yes, naïve, but maybe not a foolish thought or wish.
I would guess the process would turn into a bloodbath, with the political machine of today.
Now, should we give in to not expecting something different? Even when it has become obvious the battle is all but over. If I were to need to coldly predict, yes I would say we are doomed as a nation... The people that vote are settling to be hypocritical at every turn. Without the innate ability to even recognizing the hypocrisy.
Yes, it is clear that right out of the gate the point of my OP was either ignored or misunderstood. I thought I was presenting the case of a perfect example of hyporacy. But, in the end --- did this OP go to prove your point?
":And finally, it seems rather silly to expect anything different from our political leaders - when we see the exact same thing we are complaining about them (a refusal to be honest about past transgressions and the resulting hypocrisy) in the very people casting votes there isn't going to be any change at all. We will continue to accuse political opponents of gross malfeasance while ignoring that of our own choice. "Oh, the OP was spot on; that's what I was saying.
But I do think it naïve, and perhaps even foolish, to demand that the entire history of a candidate comply with the most stringent of modern PC morality. Our "leaders" (read: "masters") are not weak people, meekly following the guidelines of society, and we do not want them to be. They will always have skirted (and occasionally crossed) the line in their lifetimes. We need strong people at the helm, and that rules out the use of saints from the past.
There is also the small matter that our moral structure has changed, in some ways drastically, in the lifetimes of those elected leaders; should we be demanding that 50 years ago they lived by the tenants of the PC culture we have today? That would be foolish, IMO.
We cannot require that today's concepts of right and wrong be applied to those people during their youth decades ago, any more than we should erase George Washington because he owned slaves or Lee because he fought for the wrong country.Yes, It's clear we need strong individuals in Government. It would be nice to have our representatives be of the best character, but I agree this would be very much unrealistic. The moral structure has changed, and not for the better.
Really? Looking back to my childhood, with gays barricaded behind closet doors, with segregation rampant, with women unable to land good jobs, with male bosses commonly asking/requiring "favors" from female subordinates, with, with, with. I would have to say we have made great changes, and those changes have been primarily positive.
(Admittedly I find today's morality superior to that of the past, but I will stand behind that "great strides" rather that a slide downhill.)
But whether positive or negative, I also have to stand behind the idea that we should be judging a politicians character by the morals of the time, not by a set that has changed over the years to what it never was.I was referring to the morality in Government I feel it's at a very low. All about power, no matter how it's obtained. I was not referring to our societal morality.
Ah! In that case I agree with you. It is at an all time low.
Although I have to admit that I am not very familiar with the inner workings and morality of our government in the, say, 1950's. I tend to feel it was much better, but don't truly know.
I do know that some of the top people in the country were not very savory even by standards of the time, though. The Kennedy's, for instance - remember Chappaquiddick? We impeached a president then too, and it stuck as I recall. Maybe we "youngsters" (then) just didn't know it."Although I have to admit that I am not very familiar with the inner workings and morality of our government"
Just to give a quick couple of examples (now keep in mind this is my view, my perceptive) Obama's red In August 2013, the embattled Syrian regime of Bashar al Assad attacked rebel-held areas around Damascus with chemical weapons. More than 1,500 people, men, women, and children, were killed.
And Nancy Pelosi 9 months of holding up the stimulus prior to this recent one.
Both despicable acts, one hurting peoples that could not defend themselves a humanitarian crisis. The other putting the citizens second to political parties' pure wants...
And this example may shock you --- a political party that will back and ultimately put a man in the White House that is feeble.
And consider the Uyghurs once again a horrendous humanitarian crisis, how moral is it to turn away from people in concentration camps. Out President stating "Culturally, there are different norms that each country and their leaders are expected to follow."
In my view, that kind of comment exhibits a true lack of morality.
I do remember Chappaquiddick. Once again the hypocrisy exhibited was some of the worst I have witnessed.
I will never forget imagining what that poor young girl went through, and what her family had to live with.
I hate to think it or admit it. But I feel many that represent us in Washington are morally corrupt, and the problem is quickly becoming worse.I dunno, Sharlee. I have a real problem when America decides it is the moral compass of the world and will use violence to enforce it's version of current morals. Such as concentration camps in foreign lands. As much as I hate the idea of concentration camps, we do NOT have the moral high ground everywhere and we are NOT the moral policemen of the world.
Nor do I think that the modern political games being played throughout our country (Pelosi's holdup of stimulus checks) can be considered immoral; if it were Pelosi could not hold her seat. But she does, and so do thousands of other politicians performing despicable acts (IMHO) everyday in the guise of political expediency or necessity.I think some that stood in food lines over last summer, might think Pelosi immoral, non-caring.
And I disagree I feel the US should be addressing the concentration camps in China. I would hate to cry out, and no one hear that cry. The world has turned a blind eye...
She doesn't appear to be capable of clear self-reflection
Ummm...isn't that what the left demanded of the allegations about Kavanaugh? That events from decades ago (more than 27 years, in fact) be thoroughly investigated?
What has changed? Just the political party of the accused, right?Oh look, arguing to argue without even stopping to consider the differences between a lifetime appointment or a four-year term. Comparing Biden or Trump to Kavanaugh is quite different as Biden or Trump could be voted out in just four years.
Also, what mechanism exists to investigate presidential candidates? In Supreme Court nominations, there does exist a mechanism called Congress.
Weird how you don't really understand that these differences exist.And the mechanism for President is called the people of the United States. If they choose to ignore allegations, or even if they accept proven fact and still elect a candidate as President we can assume they were pleased to do so. We have certainly done so on the state level over and over; some of our state politicians served time for defrauding the state and were still reelected.
The mechanism for investigating presidential candidates is the American people? So they can call witnesses? Examine evidence?
The mechanism for judgement lies with the American people, but I would disagree that they have the power to investigate.You may do so. You may question anyone you can find. They may ignore you, too.
Couldn't possibly be of lesser value than the politically based dog and pony shows we've watched over and over the last 4 years.
Hmm . . . That sounds like rationalization. It sounds like you are saying the potential political seat determines the validity of demanding one investigation and not the other—even when the circumstances are almost identical.
You say "differences that matter aren't recognized but isn't the only real difference the political seat being considered? Aren't the criminal/civil claims almost identical?
GaAnd yet no one is making a criminal/civil claim as both accusations have long passed the statute of limitations. So, the difference in seat and the ability to make inquiries by the process of selection are the variables of why you would want to compare things of equal measure.
I had to parse that comment to try to understand it. When you say that " both accusations have long passed the statute of limitations" and "the difference in seat and the ability to make inquiries by the process of selection are the variables" it still seems you are saying the investigation determination protocols are dependent on the political seat being pursued—not the validity or basis of the claims. Is that right?
GAWhat I was saying is that your claim of a criminal/civil claim was not accurate based on the statute of limitations.
In terms of saying Kavanaugh's treatment, where Congress gets to investigate, is the standard of comparison to how Democrats treat Biden or Trump is not an apples to apples comparison because of the process differences. Compare Biden's treatment with Trump's. Kavanaugh's would be more equally compared to Cabinet nominees where both have to face an investigative Congress.I said "criminal/civil" because I don't think there is a statute of limitations on civil claims. But maybe there is. However, regardless of that fact, the initial question remains. What is different about the Kavanaugh/Biden claims—beyond the political seat being sought?
As for the comparison, I wasn't considering "process" differences, but just the perception differences that an investigation is acceptable and almost required for one example, (Kavanaugh/Trump), and unnecessary and beyond process for the other example, (Biden).
So I am back to my original comment. It appears your post that I responded to has no other purpose than to try to rationalize a difference in action.
GATara Reade's claims were investigated both by the police (I provided a link above) and by the media. She also said she reported the assault at the time, though no official corroboration can be found nor does anyone who would have received the complaint remember it.
Unfortunately, there really is not much else that can be done now. I do believe her allegations were taken just as seriously as the allegations against Trump, which is the most apt comparison. It's just that the investigations did not go any further because nothing could be found to follow up on.Yep. That is also what I found. Although I missed finding the police investigation part.
My position—that a woman should be believed, (trusted), to be telling the truth, but that her truth must be verifiable, is a tricky one. The verify part will probably weed out most dishonest claims, but what about the ones that are telling the truth but can't verify it? Unfortunately, I must accept the reality of "That's life.
GAYes, but I will add, as I did before, that if multiple allegations arise with many similarities between them, the I believe the women are almost certainly telling the truth. One cannot be 100% certain without eye witnesses but the odds increase dramatically. Abusers tend to have an MO.
Val--- The allegations are very much the same... Yet in the case of Cuomo, Biden, and Trump, are being looked at differently in regards to investigating the allegations. . It would seem like you are putting a certain weight on how long the accused would be in a given job. This is curious.
Interesting concept, but seems illogical.I think that the process that elects a four-year term relies on the knowledge of the voters for accountability. The citizens are not granted investigatory rights - to call witnesses or demand evidence.
In the Supreme Court nomination cases, the process allows Congress to investigate the candidates before seating them. Even forcing them to testify under oath.
Comparing Kavanaugh and either Trump or Biden when there exist such different processes due to the length of term is perhaps why there exists different standards and why they should not necessarily be compared in the same breath.No citizens are not given any access to investigate law enforcement or Congressional investigation. I guess that would further prove that our law enforcement agencies to include Federal law enforcement appear to be very hypocritical. and have the ability to choose who and what they investigate.
I felt the same way when I read your comment. No subject matter whatsoever, just your self-righteous opinion. Read your comment, this is what I saw jump off the page.
I am direct, blunt.
I am that way
I do have a problem
I cannot abide their
I cannot abide their inability
It is definitely a trigger for me
they will receive my blunt assessments
In your last comment, I can't even respond.
Your use of the word I is frequently in a self-righteous nature. To be honest you ruminate on everything Trump and your feelings about "Trumpsters". Hey, that's your right. It just makes for repetition and uninteresting conversation.
You don't discuss, you preach, and it's always the same old sermon. Just sayingI was admitting I have a trigger. You obviously didn't properly read my comment or understand it. Context is everything and your reply ignored context.
Here is what I responded to --- PP "This is so dumb I can't even respond."
A very little context there. Only that you found my comment dumb, and you could not bring yourself to respond.
I responded with a comeback defending the comment you found dumb.
Hoping to point out a habit you exhibit when debating.
I am sure you are referring to the comment I reworked your words... How does one respond to a comment or the very context that is nothing but a quiet rant, that has been offered over and over?
Then why only single out the Democrats? If you really wanted to make an argument and not a partisan attack, then think about a more inclusive post title from now on.
I did not hope to give the impression I was only pointing out Democrats I admittedly brought up Trump's name frequently in this thread. And made mention that hypocrisy is an all-around political problem.
In my OP yes I did use Biden and Cuomo to point out a form of hypocrisy. But as soon as another user brought in Trump, I confirmed the same form of piracy was used with him.
I voted for Trump both times. When Biden was campaigning I found the two men with many of the same qualities. I once again had to choose from candidates that were laden with Character problems.
At this point, I do feel many voters did hold their noses and vote Biden. Pretty much what many did once again with Trump. So, do we all share a bit of hypocrisy? I say unfortunately yes.
You ask "Then why only single out the Democrats? " In this case to tell the truth I was being current. I think you are reading too much into what you may think I was doing. Looking back I should have made mention of Trump in my OP.
My threads are meant to be current. You do know I am on the right, as I know you are on the left. So, we look at things differently.
This is a political forum, I post hard political-type threads. As I said not many even join in. I have always appreciated that you do comment. I miss Randy, he was one that would join in and was unafraid to give his opinion. Not sure anyone has noticed, I like opposing opinions. Otherwise, why would I bother with the controversial stuff?
I could post on what flavor ice cream Joe likes. It would seem the safer thing to do here on the HP forum.When you only focus on what is current, but do not consider the last four years in your positions, that may come across as just a partisan attack. Like the title of this thread - very one-sided.
When you do so, it inspires my disdain for any opinion you may have been trying to convey. Attacks will breed return attacks. It won't matter if your facts are accurate if you were willing to ignore similar sets of facts when a candidate you supported did the same thing.
I agree both sides have hypocrisy. But if you're going to attack just the one side's hypocrisy, prepare for them to point out all yours as well.
My last two threads have been about my own rep, be it from the other party, Katko, pointing out the rise in border crossings and the debate over the filibuster.
Not splashy, but pertinent discussions. Like I said, if you want to choose to go on the attack, you will end up being attacked just as hard on these forums.When I debate I stay current, and will address any comments that bring in a past point. I will, as a rule, give a short opinion, trying to stay close to the other person's concern. I very rarely get personal until that door is opened by another. You might see that if you look back at the comments. Please take a look at when I became personal, and what may have opened that door.
I did look at your filibuster thread, and I found it interesting and provocative. The subject of the filibuster is current, and a disservice a great deal of thought, and some real education on the subject.
I don't feel I attack anyone. I certainly stand up for an opinion. I certainly feel I have a pretty good rapport with most here. One can't expect to get along well with all. No one likes to be attacked without provocation. You may be looking at attacks as defending one's point of view. I will certainly use my better judgment of who I converse with to decrease the chance of insulting a user.
Could you offer the state, and law enforcement department that investigated Reide's rape complaint or any of the women's complaints that have accused Biden or Trump? I could care less about media reports. An outright lie? really prove it. Actually had many friends and her mother that she shared her rape with when it happened. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52462113
I don't care to compare or weigh sexual assault sorry! Just find that disgusting., and not applicable or to my OP. In my opinion, Biden raped Reide. There is very damming information in regards to people she shared her rape with when it happened.
And your last paragraph shows such hypocrisy it's unbelievable. "You know your guy has issues" really. I would not enter Trump into this conversation at all --- But you must be kidding. Many on this forum to this day bring up Trump and the accusations about sex allegations. And then theirs this --- " It was not a factor where either candidate had a clean sheet, so we focused on issues where there were starker differences - such as empathy, trust in science, and honesty."
You voted for a guy that is almost a carbon copy of Trump when it comes to Character. He lies, he has committed sexual abuse, his son and I am sure he is being investigated by the FBI. He is a politician and knows how BS a crowd. And has now a problem with dementia, and part of his dementia has presented him with anger issues. He is a disaster waiting to happen.
What many did was hold their nose and vote for a mess of a man due to hating everything Trump. One difference Trump is and was a good problem solver. Now we have Obiden (Obama2.5 )which is ridding the country of all the good Trump provided.With the statute of limitations long expired, which law enforcement agency could have charged a crime? Are you asking for a new standard under the law that says law enforcement should investigate things they cannot charge? Hence, no cause for an investigation.
As for weighing sexual assault, that's like not wanting to compare someone slapping someone to someone committing murder. There are varying degrees in most crimes and many feel the guy you support is a much more despicable offender.
Yes, we at least acknowledge Biden is flawed in his relations with women. I even admit he can be creepy. In your eyes, Trump can do nothing wrong. I investigated the Reade allegation and while possible, did not find her credible based on character witnesses.
My thought is how many of Trump's alleged sexual assaults were 'investigated' during his campaign in 2016? People have compared Biden to Kavanaugh and now Cuomo - but that is apples to oranges. Shouldn't Biden's treatment be compared with how Trump was treated to see if there is a request for a new standard - which it seems clear that there is.
Considering that Kavanaugh was up for a lifetime appointment, the standard should have been different than when a politician can be voted out of office after four years.
If you wanted to make a non-partisan point about how politicians are treated in regards to sexual assault, then include them from both parties. This just comes off as more partisan propaganda - especially with the title that only mentions the party which you clearly detest and leaves out the recent politician with the most allegations, as well as upcoming court appearances pertaining to the issue.
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