Obama's plan to outsource.

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   If you haven't yet heard, Obama is planning on outsoursing with India. 
   
   This is a red flag to me, not because I don't like India or anything like that, but come on...isn't that furthering the decline of the dollar, isn't that costing Americans jobs, isn't this a bad thing?

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   Don't think it will in any way affect dollar
   Sure it will cost Americans jobs
   
   Don't think either of this is good or bad

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I would think that our money over thier increases thier spending power for comadaties that we pay extra for to ship over seas...

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   quotationsposted 15 years ago

   What is he outsourcing?

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   It is bad, Misha.
   
   There are already thousands and thousands of jobs that should be filled by American workers being outsourced to other countries.  I'm sorry, but there are times when I want to slam the phone down while talking to customer service folks, not because they're in other countries, but because the English they were taught is so terrible that they can only parrot words they read on the screen at me in lieu of any actual service.
   
   Looking at the economic side of this type of thing, when a company closes it's doors in America, let's say it's a CNC machining plant, and it moves to Indonesia, hiring a new staff of 200 people there, that is 200 skilled laborers (meaning that these 200 people actually have a serviceable trade to apply at another company, or could even start on their own with) who are now unemployed.  200 people who went from earning $12 or more, to zero.  Every time this happens the local economy takes a hit.  The more times I kick you in the leg, the far more likely you are to wobble, or fall over.

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      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      We never know what is bad and what is good on the great scale of things
      
      Oh yeah, I can relate!
      
      What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   And actually, here you are:
   
   Here are a couple of links showing Obama is against outsourcing:
   
   http://whereistand.com/BarackObama/4717
   http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005043.html
   
   Here Obama addresses the reality of advances in technology and readily available trained workers in other countries, outsourcing which has been happening for years to China and India being unavoidable:
   
   http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news … ma/321506/

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   crashcromwellposted 15 years ago

   Plato used to say that if you accept the initial premise you must accept every other premise that grows out of it. It seems to me that people here have accepted the premise that Obama is planning to outsource jobs to India. I've seen no evidence of that, so I choose not to accept that premise, and I would like to know the source of that information.
   
   I've read a lot of stuff about Obama that people are presenting as fact that have been disproved. A good example of that is the Internet rumor that Obama is Muslim (which, on the surface, should not make one bit of difference, but even if some people may be inclined not to vote for him for that reason, for the record, he is not!)

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      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Does it really matter? Just a chance to have a pleasant conversation with nice people

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It was on CNN just a couple of hours ago. One of the things they were saying was how Obama has been againts it, but now all of the sudden, they are saying he is going to outsource. 
      
      I can't say for sure it will happen, but...

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   Sandra,
   
   Basically, everything I've read on results from Google News and Yahoo News shows Obama stating that outsourcing to India and China aren't reversible.  That companies in the US can't be stopped from working with other countries.
   
   What he proposes doing instead is making jobs available to do things like improving and repairing middle class and lower class areas through a variety of different job types.
   
   He also wants Americans to train and learn more, the lack of skilled laborers growing to be a real problem.  Other countries have faced a similar issue in the past, such as Sweden, who shipped hundreds of thousands of poor, untrained, unskilled people to America during the Mayflower days.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks,  Does he propose any ideas about how he plans to make this happen?  I mean, are the jobs that he wants to make available going to be enough for the people to earn a decent living?  How is going to fund skill training?  I hope not more taxes. 
      Or is he proposing to send Americans over seas to do work over there?  I don't know too much about NAFT, but do you think that he will try to nullify FT in order to preserve America? 
      
      I am perplexed.

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   I'm not completely sure what he plans to do to create jobs which will sustain people, you kind of don't let all your cookies out onto the plate before it's dinnertime, if you know what I mean.
   
   What I can tell you is that free trade is something that both candidates McCain and Obama have been discussing, and it seems to me that Obama leans more toward the camp of thought that thinks more trade needs to be coming into America (I.E. foreign countries buying more from us) since we buy so much from other countries, since we invest so much time and money in getting goods here, and continue to do so on a grander scale as time goes by.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I was just addressing that, I don't really support Obama, but seems I can agree with more trade coming to America.  I guess I will stay tuned. 
      
      Anyone hear about a new earthquake in Eastern Japan?  OMGoodness,  what next?

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 75,00.html

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    TheCapnposted 15 years ago

    I think it's all a sign that we as a people need to adapt. The American job market is shifting towards more service based employment, hard labor can be done cheaper elsewhere, there's nothing wrong with that. I do not support the whole isolationist view of preserving jobs for Americans that can be done cheaper elsewhere, it makes no economic sense to follow that type of policy. If we as a country can be more fluid and adapt to the changing job market, there should be no problem with outsourcing certain jobs to other countries.

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       crashcromwellposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I would agree with you Capn in the sense that we're not doing ourselves any favors by trying to isolate us from the rest of the world. On the other hand, I don't think we do ourselves any favors by extending most favored nation status to places like China that won't allow us to import goods there. We're creating an uneven playing field when we do that.

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          sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I grew up with talk about how come thier are so many homeless people in America...Like cap. and you,  it's not that labor for cheaper is bad, but what happens after is more important.  ,I agree with you though,  we aren't doing ourselves any favors by favoring countries that do not allow us tp imprort goods there.  Though I think they do, it's more of an un-balanced scale.
          
          So we end up in more debt because we buy so much from China but they aren't buy from us.  Maybe they should work on a Fair Trade Policy instead of a Free trade policy. lol.

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