Banning Counterproductive Arguments.

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   rhamsonposted 14 years ago

   A number of hubbers have been reprimanded and or banned for various reasons that some hubbers disagree with.  This is understandable but is it something that is needed. 
   
   I have been "hunted" down by several hubbers looking to take personal attacks at me while ignoring the issues being presented.  Sure I have had a few sharp tongued responses but still respect the person while trying to steer the conversation back on topic.  Sometimes it has been a most unpleasant experience.
   
   While I have never reported them I felt that participating any further on a given topic from which I was personally attacked was a fruitless endeavor and just stayed gone for a few days to let the individual cool down who was so bothered by my posts.
   
   Maybe this was a correction long overdue and the flavor of free expression can reign once again in here.

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   ralwusposted 14 years ago

   LOL you think this will go unnoticed by HP, Jason?

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   Justine76posted 14 years ago

   hahahahahah!!! free expression...oh man...

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      rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am confused as to what you think is humorous.  Is the free expression suppossed to include insults and judgemental bickering or is it to emulate a free exchange of ideas based on mutual respect.

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         C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Blah blah blah...where have you been? Its been boring as hell in here!

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            rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I think that a good rousing debate always gets my blood flowing and I enjoy our jousts but I think I have said all I can say about the recent bannings and suspensions.

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         avangendposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The problem is not free exchange of ideas - people are really, really good at that, as we have seen. But the inclusion of mutual respect? That requires one to have tolerance, open-mindedness, thoughtfulness...whatever, right?
         
         It is much easier to degrade and insult than it is to build up and debate productively. If no one wants to concede any room in their arguments, then a stalemate is reached, and the entire thing devolves into verbal violence and inanity. Thus, the current state of our forums...

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            Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I agree, in the religious and political forums, that's exactly the situation we've got to. However, those two forums are only a very small part of the forums, so I object to the whole lot being tarred with the same brush!
            
            I hate the "latest posts" format of the front page of the forums for that reason - because the contentious threads dominate, and people then think all the forums have gone to hell in a handbasket.

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               avangendposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Marisa, this is very true, and I did not make that point clear in my post. Thanks for the correction.
               
               Discussion of religion and politics tend to bring out the worst in people (and frankly, I find some irony in that). But there is definitely productive discussion on Hubpages if you find the right forums.
               
               Also, I think you can alter your preferences as to which types of forums pop up on your screen. If nothing else, you can always scroll through the topic list and find tamer discussions there. A bit of a hassle, but...

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         Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         oh sorry. no offense intended. Free expression devoid of personal insults is utopia.
         Of course, it would be nice. BUT there are times that a person is insulted by another person's "free expresion", that had no personal insult intended. (I am not talking aobut recent c word events..) Its all about maturity and the fact that there are thousands of peopel here, not everyone can be happy.
         the idea of thousands of strangers from all walks of life, all religions, all different ages, view, opinions, upbringing, could possably "get along" made me giggle. And the idea that there is any shred of free expression...in the exact definition of the words, anywhere in the universe. it just doesnt exist. there will always be somebody somewhere to find fault.

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            rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the longer post. I get it and agree.  There are always utopian ways of looking at things but I tend to try and relate more on a grounded plain if you get my drift.

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               Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               
               oh, I see you around. I get it. I try too, but sometimes my words dont reflect what I meant to say?
               typing you know..
               I got to get going soon, have a goodnight!!

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   Izzy Anneposted 14 years ago

   Oh no, I was just thinking of becoming active in this Forum.  No idea what the arguments were about, but this topic does not build my trust.  I have been burnt too often by people who cannot keep reasoning and personal insults apart.

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      Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      well....today is an off day. dont go in the religion forum if your nervous. normaly hubpages is a great community. sorry to have given you the wrong idea.

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