Romney/Jeep + Outsourcing

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   This is stupid.
   
   People on the right, admit that Romney was wrong when he said all Jeep production might be moved to China.
   
   People on the left, admit that Romney's new ad is actually true. If a corporation chooses to expand in China, that means they aren't doing that expansion here. This is ridiculous, as the left is the side that is ALWAYS criticizing companies for outsourcing. If you're such a patriot, then we should be building ALL these cars HERE, and shipping them to overseas markets.
   
   So, to recap. Right: You were wrong, and you were right. Left: You were right, and you were wrong.

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Romney ad is deliberately misleading. Both Chrysler and GM have called him on it.
      
      In no way does any of this make people on the left wrong. Period.
      The rising phoenix that is Chrysler under Fiat management is expanding.
      We should all be happy.
      Jobs are being created here.
      Yay.
      
      
      Meanwhile, where is Romney gear made and where is Obama gear made?
      Hmmmm.
      

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         JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Misleading? It's true. We could be expanding production here, but instead they are expanding production in China. It's hypocritical to say 'It's ok if Jeeps are being made in China, instead of making more here' after constantly criticizing any outsourcing ever done by any company ever associate with Bain. Let me repeat that. It's HYPOCRITICAL.
         
         And as for your hats, you should know better. That's not an official Romney hat, all of Romney's hats are made in the US.
         
         But funny, you would criticize Romney hats from China while defending Jeep jobs being created in China. Which is it? Good or bad?

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            Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Jeeps won't be coming to the U.S. from China.

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               JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               And Jeeps won't be going to China from the U.S.
               
               If they did, that would support American jobs. This won't.
               
               Again, pick a side and stick with it. Taking advantage of more inviting markets overseas is either good or bad. It can't be good when you want it to be good, and bad when someone with an R by their name does it.

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                  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Is that you Chams197494?

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                     JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Cody, reliable as always. Never addressing a single thing I say.

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                        Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Start making some good points and I will...

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                           JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Saying they are bad points, doesn't make them so. If they are bad points, you should be able to individually address them and explain why.

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                  DMartelonlineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Read much Jaxson?  Here's why they are continuing to make them in China and expanding production in China:
                  
                  US in China car import tariff row  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18723175
                  
                  China slaps duties on U.S.-made autos  http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/14/news/in … /index.htm
                  
                  Chinese Cars Make Valuable Gains in Emerging Markets  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/busin … l&_r=0

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                     JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Yup, too bad we don't have someone who will be tough on China. They:
                     
                     1 - Artificially lower their currency to under-price competition.
                     2 - Blatantly steal ideas, and break copyright laws.
                     3 - Artificially increase the price of foreign goods.
                     
                     They need to start playing by the same rules.

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  "And Jeeps won't be going to China from the U.S."
                  
                  That's a complete non-starter. GM engineers Buicks in the U.S. and manufactures them here for the U.S. market and makes them in China for the Chinese market. This is a win-win arrangement for GM, the U.S. and China.

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                     JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Then why do multi-national companies get ostracized on these forums, for being tax-dodgers, and for not creating enough US jobs, and for taking advantage of cheap Chinese labor?

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                        Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Because they are shutting down U.S. manufacturing plants, dumping the workers, plundering the pension plans and moving the work to China. Romney invented this technique at Bain.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Why would Fiat, an Italian company that owns the majority of Chrysler have to expand in the US? They are merely adding production sites in China for the Asian market. There is no outsourcing.

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         JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Because, that's what is best for America. The left is always getting bent out of shape over foreign expansion vs. domestic. Funny, multinational corporations are usually demonized as destroying American jobs and evading taxes... but the left doesn't want to care about Jeep for some reason.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You're still missing the point. The Fiat company isn't interested in doing what's best for America, but instead doing what's best for Fiat. Do you understand the concept of corporations and going concerns?

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               JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               What I don't understand, is why people on these forums will demonize any mention of foreign expansion or outsourcing, unless it's this story. Then, all of a sudden, it doesn't matter.
               
               Besides, I finally read the original report. Romney was right. That's exactly what they said. They said they were looking at moving the entire Jeep portfolio to China.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  So what?
                  
                  
                  
                  Who is "They" that said that? Provide a source, too.

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                     JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I did in MM's thread.

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      Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Like you claimed, it is completely false that jeep production was being moved to China.
      
      As to your other point, I have no issue with a globalized economy.  It is true some countries will be better at making particular goods than we are.  I'm pretty left, so I just want everyone to work together.  That means there would be plenty of mixing and matching across borders. 
      
      American "liberals," on the other hand, usually argue against outsourcing because it's obvious why the company is doing it.  They can hire people for slave wages, and still make nice profits by bringing the goods back to the U.S.  This is clearly not acceptable.

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         JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well, that's what I thought. Until I read the actual first report Romney was referring to. The PRESIDENT of the JEEP brand said exactly that.

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            Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            So that president lied?  It's possible.

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               JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Probably mis-spoke.
               
               But, since he said it, that makes Romney's initial claim 100% true. When Jeep walked that back and said they were only looking for new production in China, then Romney changed his message accordingly.

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  That's a crock, and you know it.

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   wavegirl22posted 11 years ago

   Bottom line right now is between the poll numbers, Christie and McDonnell praising Obama, and the GM and Chrysler rebuffs, this has been a horrible week for Romney.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      His lies are catching up with him.

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         wavegirl22posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         And the proof of that is how Mitt won't even talk to reporters. This want to be leader wouldnt even participate in the Nickelodeon special: “Kids Pick the President: The Candidates.” after many attempts (with no luck) Romney declined to participate. 
         
         Could it be because the only time he isn't lying is when he isn't talking.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Very possible. "As Mary McCarthy once said about Lillian Hellman in an interview on the Dick Cavett show-- [when] Cavett...asked McCarthy what was overrated about Hellman. McCarthy replied "Everything. I once said in an interview that every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.'"

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   Ralph Deedsposted 11 years ago

   Here's the NYTimes's editorial take on "Romney versus the Automakers" (a pretty good summary!)
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/opini … ef=opinion

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