Christie's win in New Jersey, does the GOP get the message?

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   Credence2posted 11 years ago

   Christie had a stunning win in New Jersey, a blue state. He did it by appealing to a broad swath of the electorate. The key for survival for either party is moderation. The right-wing reactionary candidate stands to lose in every fair electoral contest. Christie and the establishment GOP are showing the way to remaining viable as a political party in the future. Is the message getting out to the rabid right of the futility of their approach of my way or the highway?
   
   What do you think?

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      retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So the message is, if you want to be the governor of a deeply blue state and still not have a chance against Hillary be a global warming apologist and a liberal butt kisser.  Democrats can keep Christie, the GOP has nominated many spineless and bogus "conservatives" like him before and lost.
      
      George H.W. Bush - beloved moderate and pragmatist
      Bob Dole - beloved moderate and pragmatist
      George W. Bush - loathed and, ostensibly, conservative ( and he was selected not elected, if I recall)
      John McCain - media darling, maverick and pragmatist
      Mitt Romney - father of Mass. socialist medicine and pragmatist
      
      The last real conservative the GOP nominated, with much infighting and forced compromising, was Ronald Reagan in 1980 against another bumbling fool who was busily destroying America, Jimmy Carter.
      
      Nixon was no one's conservative - Wage and Price Controls, EPA, Clean Air Act, Earth Day - the only reason he was so hated is he was a Republican.  What makes lefties think that Christie won't be treated like crap if, and he won't be, but if he gets the GOP nomination.
      
      There was no credible opposition to Christie's re-election.
      
      Perhaps the more salient question is - "What lessons will lefties take away from the Virginia Squeeker after the GOP National power structure threw the race?"

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         Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The lessons the Democrats take from this is that women, the younger voter and minorities trump the traditional whites in what was once conservative a solid Virginia every time. But again, that appears to be the trend nationally.

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            retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Not the lesson the media and lefty strategists are taking away from Virginia.  But I agree with one thing you say, the parasites of society are a voting bloc for lefties.

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               Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               RIght because women, minorities and young people are parasites obviously... (Christ the right of this country is getting flat out evil at times)
               
               Funnily enough lot's of conservatives believe this which proves lot's of conservatives can't do math. Liberals are 7% wealthier per capita and more highly educated than conservatives, we pay for the benefits not take them.

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                  retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Single women, minorities and young votes have all become dependent on the constant flow of dollars from those who own them to those who claim a need for them and own a vote.  They are indeed parasites in every sense of the word, using the FORCE of government to take.
                  
                  Reality is harsh, unless someone offers you the drug of public largess to assuage your addiction to fantasy.  Nature is harsh, life is harsh.  If you don't believe so ask a lefty who is dying of cancer if all the lefty fantasies have made that harsh reality any easier. 
                  
                  Reality/nature is conservative and the harsh reality is that government is force and the public largess is baby food for parasites.

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                     Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     With that attitude retief, there is no hope that your candidates will ever prevail anywhere except in the most isolated backwash of the country. How are you going to overcome so powerful a coalition as found on the left? You, your people and ideology as currently practiced and stubbornly adhered to are in trouble. What are you advocating to change your fortunes and that of conservatives that are not RINO, in your opinion? So if you can't get support from all of these 'parasites' how do you win?

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                        retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Given that the leftists are busy making sure more Americans are on the national government preserve, I have concluded that America is finished.  The coalition that you see as so powerful is one that has been purchased with the property taken from others and cannot be sustained beyond the supply of that property.  America is eating its seed corn, despoiling its inheritance and squandering the prosperity built up by generations of Americans who were NEVER on the government dole. 
                        
                        When lefties stand on the top of the hill and finally proclaim that all conservatives are dead and so is their ideology they will be standing on the ruins of a great society and economy and on the bodies of millions whose property they have taken with force, for all government is force.
                        
                        Good luck building a future on people who have forgotten how to be free - free to earn, free to spend, free to acquire, free to triumph and free to fail.  Good luck building a future on the mediocrity of the leftist Utopia that has always been the gray, drab, overweening, all encompassing state.
                        
                        We leave our children a miserable and leftist future all because lefties have so corrupted human liberty as to encourage ever growing numbers to see freedom as dependence, courage as slavery.  Well done, you win, enjoy the ruins.

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                           PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh my, such drama.
                           
                           

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                              retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              $17 trillion in current debt, with no end in sight isn't sufficient cause for concern, unless one bumps into economic reality.  Unlikely a lefty will bump into reality since reality is conservative.  And I wondering where I used the word "socialism."  Never used it, it isn't sufficient nor necessary, the founders understood that we would be finished as a country when the electorate decided to use the mechanism of the state to TAKE the property of others.  One only need look at Greece and Detroit to see America's future under lefty policies and the parasitic society they are creating.  A lack of historical perspective is required to be a lefty.

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Since lefties have already won, according to you, and America is finished, according to you, then please just step aside and let those who have hope, ideas, pragmatism, and the ability to act lead.  Your charming nihilism contributes nothing.

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                                    retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    I am running for nothing and  for now, am allowed my opinion - despite Diane Feinstein's policy position on the 1st Amendment. Besides, why would I pass up the opportunity to hear lefties say they have ideas, such the wrong word, fantasies is better, delusions is best.
                                    
                                    Delusions that vast transfers of property from the real market to a bogus publicly controlled market is a solution to the issues of supply/demand and price.
                                    
                                    Delusions that Muslim fundamentalists are good partners in international affairs.
                                    
                                    Delusions that massive regulations fix, rather than cause, economic woes.
                                    
                                    Delusions that dictatorial fiat is fine if the President is the right person.
                                    
                                    Delusions that rule by men, rather rule by laws, is not the most significant problem civilization ever faced and that leftism doesn't gleefully embrace dictators and dictatorship.
                                    
                                    Reality and Nature are conservative.

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Of course you are entitled to your opinion.  Keep expressing it.  Your optimism is inspiring.
                                       
                                       It's easy to sit back and pick apart those who would take action.  Enjoy your easy chair.

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                                          retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Many people through out history have taken action often at the cost of billions of dollars and millions of lives. Our liberty is safest when those who would erode it do nothing. 
                                          
                                          Is Barrack Obama a man of action, Vladimir Putin, the Syrians and Iranians don't think so.  The Saudis don't think so either which is why they have recalled diplomats and eschewed appointment to the UN Security Council.  Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Shabaab and every other Muslim Supremecy organization in the world doesn't think so.  Illegals sneaking across the Mexican border don't think so.  The Canadians, who are ready to sell their oil to China, don't think so.  The Chinese are certain he isn't as are the North Koreans.
                                          
                                          Actions that have wrecked actual Health Care and Health Care Insurance are hardly laudable.  If those are the actions lefties advocate then inaction is infinitely better.

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   Wayne Brownposted 11 years ago

   I would not offer up New Jersey as a test-bed to gain approval of conservatism.  To the contrary, Christie's election in New Jersey actually exposes the fact that he is simply another RINO wondering around out there behind a mask.  If the GOP takes anything more than that from this scenario...it will be erroneous.

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      Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for sharing that opinion? So how do you get a broader acceptance of conservative, since Christie appears to be too far to the left for your tastes?

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   Josakposted 11 years ago

   I think the above might answer your question Credence, looks like the Republicans won't be having a president for a while being that Christie is the only person polling even close to Hillary Clinton.
   
   Maybe the majority will wise up, we shall see.

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      Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Josak, those are my sentiments. But there are many conservatives that take issue. But lets see how that plays out with the electorate.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Absolutely agree that the key to either party is moderation.
   
   So how does that work with a party and President that managed to shove through, without any discussion or even reading, the most expensive bill in the history of the world?  How do the rabid left demogogues spin that massive example of "my way or the highway" into "moderation"?
   
   Did you notice - I can use loaded words and terminology, too!  So proud of that!

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      Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well the PPACA is itself a compromise. Leftists want a European or single payer system. I understand you guys don't like it either way and that's fine but don't present it as this extremist move it's significantly less government control than a single payer system which is what all of the first world has.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         A compromise?  The ACA is a compromise?  Between who?  Two of Obama's bill writers?  Barack and Michelle?  Because for sure not a single person of the other party had one word to say about it.
         
         As far as not extremist, don't make jokes.  Any time a government approves the biggest expenditure in the history of the world, and especially when a democratic, capitalistic government does it, it is an extreme move.  It just applies more government control over every life in the US than any other document since the Constitution, that's all.

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            Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You don't see it as a compromise between what we had and a European system? because that that is was designed to be.
            
            As for being the biggest bill ever firstly inflation accounted for it is not at all, and secondly this is a big country, that doesn't make a bill extreme.
            
            You may recognize the extreme similarities between this system and the one Mitt Romney instituted at a state level.

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               wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               No it wasn't; it was the most radical, European like bill Obama thought he could ever push the Democrats to pass.  That does not make it a compromise.
               
               Can you name one other bill, from any nation on earth at any time in history, that will control more spending in a 10 year span, than Obamacare will?  Can you name one that will control even half what Obamacare will?  A tenth of it?  It's extreme.

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                  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  The de communilisation act of China was worth approximately 40 times more.

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                     wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Can't find anything on it, although I do note that China's entire GDP, multiplied by 10 years, is only 30 times our current health care costs, times ten years. 
                     
                     What and when was it?  Link, maybe?

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                        Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        The entire Chinese economy was decommunised, permanently and all the ensuing profits, I am see you can see how this would be larger.
                        
                        But seriously this plan is almost identical to the one instituted by the guy who ran for president for the Republican party, calling it extreme is mind boggling.

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                           retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Romney care covered Massachusetts, only.  It did not compel every insurer in Mass. to comply with a vast re-making of the entire insurance system in Mass.  It was a much narrower bill in every respect. But don't let that dissuade you.  Obamacare is a disaster and it has just begun.
                           
                           The coldness toward the 15 million who have already lost their insurance and the over 25 million that the government's own analysis says will remain uninsured certainly puts the LIE to the great compassionate leftist solution.

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                           wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm still unable to find any specific Chinese legislation that "decommunised" the country.  And obviously unable to find any paper trail of the country gaining or losing control of monies or assets inside its borders as a result of that legislation.
                           
                           But if true, and the entire country and all it's GDP and assets were transferred from the state to private ownership, then the number would be greater than ObamaCare.  And greater than 40X that figure as we; I would guess at something more in the neighborhood of hundreds or thousands of times greater.  Although asset control can only change once and not yearly, that would be a rather large number for a country like China.  Does one example of a country changing it's entire political concept make Obamacare normal sized legislation, then?
                           
                           Romney; what I'm seeing is a claim that if someone tried to do it before, in a very limited way, it means that the current legislation actually enacted cannot be called extreme.  Your logic in that is seriously lacking.

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            Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            And don't forget that the Heritage Foundation was originally for it before they were against it.
            
            So in reality, the Obamcare failure is the Republican's fault.

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               retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               How so?  I am not sure what state the Heritage Foundation was elected to represent but I would suspect that the massive regulations in Obamacare were not part of the Bill that it introduced.

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                  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I know, I was wondering what state they were elected to represent as well. However, it seems as if lobbyist groups have more influence over the GOP than the voters....

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                     retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     The GOP is not unique in bending to the will of lobbying groups.  The AARP calls the tune and the lefties dance, that is why it stands to rake in BILLIONS!!!!! from Obamacare.

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   tirelesstravelerposted 11 years ago

   My advice for Christy, is this,"Stay in New Jersey".  He was a lobbyist for Bernie Madoff's  organization before Madoff went to prison.  There is a new book by John Hileman which talks about Christy's escapades and others. Christy slanders conservatives out one side of his mouth as he praises the President out the other side.

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