Cricketeers and Terrorists

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   VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

   On 2nd March, 2009, the Srilankan cricket players were proceeding to Gadafi Stadium, Lahore to play cricket with Pakistan.  On the way, their vehicle was attacked by unknown terrorists, presumably 12 terrorists.  They had a smooth passage in and out of the scene of crime and it seemed no one was there to provide security.  Five Srilankan players were wounded in the firing. After reaching the stadium, a helicopter took the players to the airport and all the players left for Dubai and then reached Colombo. 
   
   There is no logic in attacking cricket players. It deserves condemnation by everyone.
   
   Pakistan, as usual, has some peculiar imaginations.  The attack may have come from Tamilnadu.!  There is no terrorist group in Tamilnadu, India.  Tamil groups in Srilanka are fighting against the Srilankan Govt. and they wont come so far to attack players!  And they have never attacked common people.. only Srilankan soldiers.

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      Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      You must know that is not true. The coach had a police escort. The gunmen shot and killed about six of the police escort. It was a well planned attack that took the police by surprise, but it is simply mischievous to suggest security was not present when six officers gave their lives protecting the Sri Lankan team convoy.

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         VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Mr.Paraglider, Having six police officers by our side is not having security. They should have killed the terrorists. The video footage shows that police vehicle and terrorist's motor cycle come closer before the incident.  It is a mockery that police officers gave their life to protect the team.  Their duty is to kill the terrorists and not "give" their lives.

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   quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

   venugopal seems me to be just like those un-educated indians who comment against Pakistan without being aware of true facts and by doing this such indians want to do nothing but just to sabotage the image of Pakistan.
   You are saying that there was nobody to protect srilankan team, but the fact is completely against your views. The CCTV video has shown that not only the armed scurity guards have protected the srilankan bus but also the non-armed treffic wardens of Lahore (Pakistan) have escorted their srilankan guests and are killed by the terrorists. Even the srilankan team itself has told their local government and news media that the scurity guards of Lahore surrounded our bus to protect us and our driver bravely took us to the stadium area.
   
   As far as the orientation of terrorists is concerned, I've noticed that these terrorists were not from taliban or other organizations that are destroying the Paki land. I'm saying so because I've read about the talibans and we all have seen in past that they don't act like that. Instead, they just come and do a suicide attack. But this type of terrorism is similar to that of mumbai attacks in india and very powerful resources has given evidences that about 10 terrorists had crossed Pakistan-india border on 22nd of january this year with the help of indian intelligence (raw) and the indian army as well. Even the indian intelligence (raw) had mailed the Pakistan government that they will attack the Foreigners and this report has been confirmed not only by the intelligence of Pakistan but also by some u.s. authorities. But what is the real fact will come in front after the final report and I just want to say you that speak when you know the facts and not criticize the country like Pakistan which is already surrounded by a no. of problems including economical crisis, crisis of their government, financial crisis, involvment of foreign powers in terrorism and the indian blaim game plus the negative criticism of indian nation. I think we all should be with the Pakistani nation to ensure that they are not alone in fight against these crises because these crises are not just limited to Pkistan but can also affect the whole world. That's all.

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      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Pakistan's image in the world is well known and India need nothing to do to sabotage it.
      Is any education required to comment on the mischiefs of Pakistan.? 
      As long as the Delhi-born Gen.Musharaff was in power in Pakistan, things went in the right direction. When the Bhutto clan came to power, a mess is being created between India and Pakistan, and they wont leave the govt. till its last breath.
      Mr.quiet tracer, are you educated?

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   VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

   Because Pakistan is a muslim country, all muslims need not support it. Then its misdeeds will not be felt by it.  As long as Pakistan is supported blindly by muslims, its deeds wont improve and its fate will go to a dead end.

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      Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Another ridiculous statement. I have heard no-one supporting the terrorists who ambushed the coach. You are trying to turn this into a simple India/Hindu=Good, Pakistan/Muslim=Bad. Not edifying.

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      SiddSinghposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think this incident has anything to do with any issue between Hindus and Muslims. Come to think of it, neither is it a issue between India and Pakistan. It is terrorist attack, plain and simple. Let the Pakistani authorities investigate this and come to a conclusion, if they can.

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         VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Mr.Singh, I did not say that this is a thing between Hindus and muslims. I meant that whenever Pakistan is caught in a serious problem, strangely, muslims come to advocate their cause, even if it is incorrect.  That kind of attitude is not good.  This terrorist attack is a problem for India also and we have the right to worry about what happens in Pakistan.
         Your comment is far from religious affinity, which everyone will appreciate.  But this kind of attitude should come to the other side also. 
         Normally, Indians do not worry about their religion, they simply say which is right, which is wrong.  This attitude makes India great.

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   quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

   venugopal is gonna be act like a non-sense critic. You said the duty of policemen was to kill the terrorists and not to give their lives. I want to ask you one thing, Why did indian super army keep fighting with only 10 mumbai terrorists for more than two days? Why did they just go in the hotels and kill them all?
   
   Pakistani security guards did what was the best option available then. You will have to admit that their first priority was to save the lives of their guests and not to keep fighting with the terrorists. And to answer your one more ridiclous statement, having killed six security guards doesn't mean that there were only six protecting the team. It's a different story that the terrorists were well-trained by a foreign element.
   
   As far as the support for Pakistan is concerned, that will happen in any cost by all of the muslims. You can not make any muslim to speak against Pakistan because there seems nothing wrong with Pakistan or Pakistani nation. What is wrong is terrorism and all the sensible and educated muslims are against it. one more thing I want to mention here that nowhere in Islam is killing of your guests is allowed. Neither is the suicide allowed in Islam nor is any type of such attacks in the name of religion. Read the history of talibans. you will find that they were being used by the super powers to destabelize the asian sides till mid 70's but when the american authorities felt the need of oil, they began a war against their that dummy warriors (talibans). There are a no. of documentories telling the true story that have been written by american authors and peace-makers.

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   quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

   One more thing venugopal, by education I meant sense. And siddsingh seems me to be a sensible indian.

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      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      All Indians are more than sensible.

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   VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

   Mr. Tracer can rightly be called "Mr.Sense".   What can be said about his comments..? that the first priority of policemen was to protect the players....  and so the cops gave their lives and saved the players.... and also the terrorists...  After killing the cops, wont they kill others?  If they had enough time, they would have certainly killed others also.  Leaving a terrorist alive is more terrific.  Then why did the cops carry arms...? only to save them?
   
   Mumbai episode.. no army was deployed ... all were special police force created for anti-terrorist operations.  The terrorists hid themselves inside rooms and halls. ... creating suspicion whether it was tourists or terrorists.  For catching one single terrorist, Kasab, the police man received several bullets in his body.  If the police were provided with matching weapons, it would have ended in a day.
   
   His comments about Taliban is really good.  Those dummies have declared that they will fight India in a war with Pakistan.  Better Pakistan get rid of these liabilities...

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   quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

   venu's hubtivity show me that he has joined HP for promoting three things:
   
   1. india
   2. sense of indians
   3. criticism against muslims
   
   once again ridiclous. No nation becomes more that sensible by calling it so itself but the sensible nation is that which is called so by others.
   
   What I said about the Pakistani cops was not that they just tried to protect the srilankan team. It is a fact that they also tried to fight the terrorists but the case was similar to that of mumbai attacks in terms of weapons. The preliminary reports have shown that terrorists were armed with heavy militry weapons and they have also pre-planned the escape route while the cops were armed with those typical weapons that are normally used by the cops in every country.
   
   But whatever I will say, you will take it negative.

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      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      My dear tracer, Pakistani cops not only protected the players... they protected their weapons also. 
      Mumbai cops not having matching weapons, killed all the terrorists and caught one alive. Why compare this bungling with that? 
      They may have planned the escape route... but that route lies inside Pakistan's territory and they should have been killed.
      Negative happenings... negative comments.

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   VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

   I wish to emphasize to Mr.Tracer that it is everyone's privilege to promote their nations' prestige, and it will not amount to commercial promotion. 
   I have more muslim friends around me.  We live as brothers and sisters and do not argue in controversial matters. As senior to them, they will certainly listen to me and get clarifications whereever necessary.
   Commenting on Pakistan is not criticising muslims.  Anyone bungling at a crucial time will be criticised.   But support to Pakistan comes from muslims.... I think.  I also support Pakistan, in the sense that it was originally a part of India. All my sympathies are with the people of Pakistan, who are subjected to terrorism.

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   quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

   venu, I'm not posting here to argue with you on how brave indian cops are. But the fact is that you really don't know what type of weapons were used by indian commandos because you were not with them at the time of terrorist activity. Actually you are saying what your government has told you and your media. Now it's all upon you whether you admit it or not. And how you can say that the Paki cops did nothing satisfactory? Listen, the actual report based on CCTV video and official vehicles' tracking system has clearified that the battle took place for just 2 min. and 25 sec.  In this short battle there were 37 ordinary security guards and not the Paki rangers escorting the caravan out of which six got killed, one went to the umpires' vehicle to drive them to the stadium as their driver was also killed, ten kept fighting with the 12 terrorists and 4 patches (5 guards in each patch) surrounded the bus from four sides to protect the players in this sudden terrorist activity. After realizing their failure and before the backup had appproached them, the terrorists decided to run away leaving their weapons and carry-bags on the road including rocket launchers and hand-grenades. The cops were not able to follow the terrorists as their vehicles were also destroyed in the battle instead they kept themselves bound to escort the bus as the fear of returning terrorist activity was still there. This same thing has been clearified by the victims (srilankan players) as well. You are right that they escaped but they are still in Pakistan's territory. I would suggest you to watch cnn or bbc if you don't rely on Pakistan and you will have your answer. The Lahore police immediately sealed the red zone surrounding that area just after terrorists' got escaped from liberty market and till now the police has caught 6 of 12 terrorists hiding in different buildings.
   
   I'm regarding your comments as negative because you are criticizing Pakistan more than terrorism (check back you posts). you should have it in mind that Pakistan is under the threat of terrorism but it doesn't mean that it is a terrorist country itself.
   
   I think indian public should adopt now a civilized attitude regarding Pakistan and instead of criticizing Pakistan they should criticize the terrorism. Why don't you think that no country will like to bungle in such a destructive issues.
   I hope you will get it.

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      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Mr.Tracer, you first said that I am uneducated. and now you say Indians should adopt a civilised attitude.. then how can you expect a "civilised reply" to an uncivilised comment?  First treat others equally.. think others as equals... dont think that you are the only educated, civilised..... etc..etc.  This forum is to debate things and not for negative descriptions. 
      I am also concerned about terrorism in Pakistan... because it may spill over to India. 
      Today it is Peshawar, I think. 
      Inaction against terrorists amounts to abetment and abetment is more heinous than terrorism itself.  Inaction, abetment, encouragement and execution of terrorist activities are normally treated equally.

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         quiet tracerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         venu you should review my first reply to you open mindedly. I nowhere said that you ARE uneducated or uncivilized but I said you that by posting such anti-Pakistan comments you SEEM me to be an uneducated indian as your comment was totally against the fact and reality. Now don't say that there is no uneducated person in india, I don't think so. There is a huge portion of population uneducated not only in india but also in Pakistan. You should have it in your mind that approximately more than 40% in each of these two countries' total population is uneducated and comments which do not base upon facts can be expected only by such people. But to clearify you again, I didn't say you uneducated.
         One more thing which proves your anti-Pakistan attitude is that you people always say that Pakistan is doing nothing against terrorism or in other words it abets terrorism. I want indians to leave such attitude because it is again far far away from the reality. Listen, all the Pakistanis are against terrorism and its government is spending the biggest part of its budget on battle against terrorism but it will take time as you can see america has battled 7 to 8 years in Afghanistan and they are still unsuccessful. Whatever you people of india say but the reality still remains there that is Pakistan hates terrorism and Islam does not allow this to any Muslim.

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            VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            When Pakistan hates terrorism and Islam does not allow it, then why do they harbour terrorist groups like al qaeda and l.e.t. on its soil?  India has more stakes in Pakistan and cannot afford to leave it at the mercy of terrorists.  US Sec. of State has said that all terrorist activities and planned in Afganistan and Pakistan.

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    SiddSinghposted 16 years ago

    "Crickete(e)rs and Terrorists". The thread is has deviated from its topic.

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       VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It is all about terrorism in our neighbourhood.

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    quiet tracerposted 16 years ago

    I can't believe that venugopal is still following that anti-Pakistan attitude. I thought he would have been convinced with my facts-based information and any confusion in his mind regarding Islam and Pakistan would have been clearified. But he keeps sticking to that fake points like why is this and why is that? Listen man, there is no organization like l.e.t. working in Pakistan at this time. That organization had been banned in 2002 on local public's demand when l.e.t. found supporting al-qaida's anti-american actions for the first time (remember, they were not involved in activities like that of al-qaida but were supporting al-qaidians in their speeches) and at that time they were permitted to run only their charities but in the past year the government has banned these remaining l.e.t. charity institutes as well following the foreign pressure.
    
    As far as statement of u.s. sec. is concerned, I would like to throw light on it's another statement. Recently u.s. sec. has said that india is a direct source of funding of terrorist organizations in Pakistan and Afghanistan. What would you say about this statement? Listen man, people of  Pakistan respect the public of america but not the government of america because u.s. government is used to make fake statements without having any significant proofs. They say something one day and on the other day they change their statement without feeling any hesitation. So don't go to u.s. statements rather you should speak when you have proofs and by keeping such anti-Pakistan atttitude you would never considered supporting Pakistan.

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       VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       The Sec. of state, US, has no right to comment what happens here.  Let them count the skeletons in their own cupboard.  They have trained Al Qaeda, Kalistani terrorists, in the past.  They think what they do is right and whatever others do is wrong.  Let them live in their own  paradise.

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

    America is a dying lion and it can roar as it likes.  No one will take note of them.   All the ills of the present world are due to their misdeeds.  Mr.Tracer need not worry. Their big-brother attitude has already ended.  But Pakistan still sees them as 'superpower'.

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