Obama Channels Cheney

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   NewRepublicanposted 15 years ago

   So much for change...
   
   A presidency is only "imperial" when a Republican occupies the office. Democrats are conspicuously silent on the Obama administration's aggressive use of executive power on surveillance matters.
   
   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123638765474658467.html

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   "So much for change..."
   Hey I'm with you on this one. Seems Obama is a ruling class cut-out. But then if one were truly against them, one would find themselves facing the
   'Howard Dean Scream' for starters in a NY minute. So Obama and his cadre are either one them like Clinton or one of us, but must be somewhat subtle about it. I am going for the former but still - 'keep hope alive'. Allende had to walk a tight rope in Chili and fell. Or maybe he's half and half.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

   Consider the source of this opinion piece--well known to lean due right.  I'd need to cross reference once or twice or three times.
   
   Obama, I believe, is extremely subtle as a politician--thankfully.

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      Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, about as subtle as Jimmy Carter.

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         Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         "as a" Jimmy Carter. 
         
         Nick prefers sound bytes because it suits his agenda and because when real debate is placed in front of him he's sometimes at a loss.
         
         And I think we should be channeling FDR....

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            Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I hope not for the New Deal!  because that didn't work either.  You yourself are incapble of true debate as we observe that you more talented at making pseudo-psychoanalytic observations about your interlocutors than contributing any compelling ideas.

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               Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               This is not the debate I am talking about, as that has been suitably buried.  And this cross examination thing you do with back-handed, 'I am a victim' bit only goes so far.
               
               I have not had a chance to cross reference anything, so I have no ideas further than this at this post.  (That is not that hard for many people to say, i.e.)

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               Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               play nice

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   NewRepublicanposted 15 years ago

   How's the cross referencing going?

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   lemarquis72posted 15 years ago

   Ok you two!  Let's wander back to the discussion, which was...
   
   Um, I forgot.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

   Oh, I'm sure you did....
   
   Maybe somebody else has some thoughts on the subject.

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   Gul the president of Turkey goes to Russia and gets a 'State Visit', the whole nine yards. Straight out of the box Obama is going to Turkey.

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      RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Can you explain what you meant here?  I've read the whole thing and still don't understand "straight out of the box Obama is going to Turkey" sentence.  The President of Turkey goes to Russia and gets a state visit.  Then I don't get it.

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   Can you explain what you meant here?
   Obama Channels Cheney:
   Cheney was big on the game referred to in the article below, gobal politics
   and what underlies things like Iraq, Afganistan, Georgia, missles in Poland
   and what not, the stuff the official media never heard of. Only to say Obama seems to be picking up where Cheney left off.
   http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KC04Ak02.html

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      RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ah.  Again, somehow I missed that point.  Thanx for clearing that up.
      My position for its worth,
      Obama isn't big on missiles in Poland.  Obama is moving the military out of Iraq.  Georgia/Obama?  Didn't realize the two had the same history as what Bush/Cheney had with Georgia.  Global politics- at least Obama is opening up lines of communication.  Bush/Cheney closed down those lines, for instance Iran and Russia.  I can't figure out how anyone can even make the same comparisons between the two.  Sometimes people shouldn't believe everything they read online.  I've been gathering information from Official Media and Cheney even says Obama is breaking down everything Cheney built up.   He's rathered po'd about it too.  I am a big critic of mainstream media.  In the areas you mentioned, I thought the "Official Media" did a good job at reporting the truths.  You see CNN piece when Putin was at Kennebunkport, Maine?  That whole interview was about the missile locations in Eastern Europe.  Putin talking.  Bush talking stupidly.  It was very significant information from the Russian.

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   You ever hear of the american empire? Not in the media for sure. Obama is leaving 50,000 tropps in Iraq. Obama is expanding the war in Afganistan and that will and is spilling into Pakistan. Obama is reported offered to pull the missle thing from Poland if the Ruskies would nix Iran nuke plant. Latest is
   they plan to keep em with some sort of russian involvement. Seems to be the same game my friend. Thing is don't think they can afford it anymore.

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      Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It's the same game because it's the only winning game.  As the months pass, more and more, we will hear, "Bush was right."

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         RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hey Nick.  I saw a couple of your comments on another post or two.  You the one real big on comparing Obama to Carter?  If not. My bad.  You're real funny like your picture. No dis. All good.  Haven't figured out the smiley system yet.  But funny.  You're funny with that comparison.
         A hoot.[big smile].  I miss Boston Legal.[frown]

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    Nickny79posted 15 years ago

    Long live the Imperium Americanum!

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    knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

    My guesss would be that you have never served your Imperium with any military service, or any kind of service at all for that matter..

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No...This is simply what happens when NeoCons get drunk or something and run amuck.

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          RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Knolyourself-hey know yourself got it.  Don't get your point here either.  Have you? Big deal.  That is so far off the beaten path.  It is hard to follow you, let alone finding your hidden message in this and that.   WTF?  Can we write that stuff?  But common on man [or female] you're all over the place.  You ok?

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             Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Knolywhatever doesn't know how to make a proper argument--you have to bear with him.  He has a habit of making digital noise and expects people to find the perspective he attempts to promulgate self-evident and indisputable.

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                RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks.  He is a hard act to follow.  Man I got into another post with somedude the same way.  He'd bring up git-mo as a stab at America, I wrote Tower of London.  Somehow the git-mo stab was his way of answering a post about getting Americans stable and off welfare.  Guy totally lost me on that one.  English chap this guy.  We bantered back and forth a couple of times on American history in Git-mo.  I think he called it Guat/mo.  Cheap shot really.  silly and cheap.  digital noise.

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             lol...  Are you talking to me?  It is kind of hard following you, too.
             
             Never mind that.  Some are well known NeoCons here.  I appreciate what you had to say regarding this "channeling Cheney business."  Also your electoral decision.  In my mind, there was but one clear choice, no matter what side of the aisle you were on and that was obvious.
             
             For that, thanks.

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                Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I understand every syllable--sounds like a little someone is not on her game tonight.

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                   RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Oh. Oh I get whats going on.  No Lita S. I was talking to knolyourself.  I'm hard to follow though?  errr.ok. Thanx. Serious? or did you just say that because you thought I was talking to you?  Happens that way sometimes with mistakes and all.

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                      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I see the cross..  You quoted me, so...

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    RKHenryposted 15 years ago

    Did your man not win or something?  Obama has been in office two months.  I'm not interested in right wing or left wing politics.  I will tell you I don't like Bush.  Registered Republican who voted for Obama and changed party lines in 2008.  I mention this only to say, I don't buy what you are trying to tell other people and most importantly what you're trying to sell to other Americans.  An American has got to make a lot of twists and turns to try to even remotely see how Obama and Cheney are reincarnations of one another or whatever.  I don't have the cure all answers like I guess you do.  But Obama channeling Cheney is preposterous and I don't buy it.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you!

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          RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Oh hey. your welcome.  hi.

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    Nickny79posted 15 years ago

    And Lita Sorenson just practices pseudo-psychoanalysis peppered with conclusory political assertions that, on a good day, are supported by links to obscure websites and op-ed articles.  Don't pay them much heed.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Obscure only to C students who do not read much, often...

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          Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I don't read the scribbles of "journalists"--mere creatures of a day.  I focus on that which endures.  So yes, I get an F for not knowing my op-ed writers.

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You don't read much current philosophy it seems like, either.  I'm gonna guess you only read what you absolutely need to...  But mainly listen to Limbaugh.
             
             Interesting you cannot answer simple questions on universality given this statement, as well...  But then you may have lost any imagined advantage.

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                Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Literary criticism is not philosophy; and reading is no substitute for either genuine wisdom or intelligence.  If I could listen to Limbaugh 5 days a week for the full three hours, I would.  Unfortunately, I can only catch snippets of him during lunch. 
                
                It really sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder actually--a person truly secure in their learning (let alone a real scholarly writer) nevers belittles what they imagine to be someone else's educational background--and I'm surrounded by a lot of smart people.  The 'intellectual' puffery doesn't intimidate at all.

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                   Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   It sounds like you are intimidated and always on the defensive.  Postmodernism is not just literary criticism, ie.
                   
                   It was a valid question.  And I never claimed to be a scholarly writer--perish the thought. I am surrounded by few smart people.

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    RKHenryposted 15 years ago

    Nice language. Puffery. 
    
    Lita is what Nick saying true?  You someone to avoid? Excuse my abruptness by asking that ?
    
    I not looking to down play anyone here.  I just like to read and hear myself.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'd say at times he is the one to avoid... 
       
       All I can say is that I agree with your assessments politically.  Read and hear for yourself...

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          RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I do read and hear for myself.  I like to hear myself talk.  I'll continue on that path.  Thanks. 
          Did you know that True Blood is based off a series of books?  I found that out today in the hubber hangout.  I read that.  I read that for myself.  That there.[squeezing your chain girl].[cheers]

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Wasn't meant as an instruction manual.
             
             The reference is lost me...  All the reading I do, why heck, I don't have time for TV.

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                RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Ugh, bad attempt to be nice to you.  Won't try it again.  True Blood is based off a book series. But again I was trying to be nice.  My bad.

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                   Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Lots is lost in the translation.  !  I need to read a lot, you know, before I can ascertain snark from niceness....  So sorry, if 'nice' was the case.

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                      RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      no prob. my bad.

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