Liz Cheney: 2024 Spoiler
A recently heard speculation has ex-Rep. Cheney running for president in 2024—as an Independent candidate. The idea is to split the vote as Perot did.
One prompt for that thought was the huge war chest she has and how little she spent on her reelection campaign. The reasoning is that she would be a choice for moderate Republicans and Democrats that couldn't vote for either party's candidate.
I like the idea. It could be a step toward the creation of a legitimate third party.
GAOr a way to insure that the hard nosed Republicans and their beast of a party meets with defeat a' la Perot style.
Correct.
There will be no third party. There is no second party.
There are the DC insiders and then there are extremes to both sides of the party that are never allowed control, the wheel of time grinds up politicians but a select few are always there, always in control, always moving the country in the same direction.
Trump was an aberration, it was obvious, he was resisted by the RNC and Republican insiders when he ran in the Primaries... no Republicans in Congress came out to support him until his nomination was a certainty.
A record number of Republicans forfeited their seats in Congress in 2018 rather than seek re-election or support the rescinding of the ACA, the Border Wall or any key item of change Trump was seeking.
There will be no return of Trump, more likely that he and his ardent supporters be labeled threats to the nation and rounded up first.I don't know, Ken, Ms. Cheney is on a crusade, a righteous one to avoid having her political party under the clutches of this man or any other person. Democracy and the rule of law is not negotiable.
She may well be motivated to start a third party for a reasoned principle.
Cheney is still far too conservative for my tastes. I vote democrat. So, I have to support her candidacy as a means of "divide and conquer".
For someone that is "resisted" by the establishment, there sure are an awful lot of syncophants in Congress who have and still do "kiss his ring".
As the case is made with the Cheney loss in Wyoming, fortunes rise and fall for Republicans depending upon your ability to kiss Trump's bum.
Trump is the Republican Party and it is a Party where I am not invited. There is a certain amount of Trump fatigue, but his ideas and concepts are not an aberration but has moved into the mainstream of rightwing thought.Cheney will get no where on the National stage. She is dislikeable and she is part of the corrupt club of DC insiders.
She will be a tool used to siphon votes away, if it seems she can indeed get a few percentages of support at least. Otherwise she will be tossed aside, she has no future in the Republican party unless she moves to a Purple state, like Clinton's move to NY to become a Senator as a precursory move to run for President.
She has no future in Wyoming, I was surprised she got as much support there in the primaries as she did... was there an effort to get Independents registered for that Republican primary?Seems to me that she passed muster with all the crimson red people of Wyoming for some time. Now, all of the sudden after she crossed paths with the "golden boy", she becomes a D.C. Insider, a 5th columnist.
She is determined to show the nation who Donald Trump actually is, and we have not heard the last of her.
With the Rightwingers' penchant for mayhem and violence, I hope that she watches her backAnyone who makes their claim to fame "showing the nation who Trump really is" is politically finished... she is finished in Wyoming and will be a minor player on a national stage, at best.
The people who support Trump no matter what will despise her.
The rest of those independents, libertarians, conservatives, etc., want someone to lead and guide the country forward... and don't care to hear about Trump or his supporters are.
With Biden at the helm, the "down with Trump" mantra won't hold much water with most Americans.I would speak cautiously when you say "most". If it were most, Trump would have won in 2020.
We have plenty to torment the Republicans about this election season,That comes across as awful childish. or small minded: "We have plenty to torment the Republicans about".
As society burns down around you, as inflation continues to make your dollars worth less every day, as we push toward WWIII your biggest concern is the sorry game of American politics.
Today's headlines are of a mass mob ransacking a 7-11 Store, with no repercussions, teenagers beating a cab driver to death for no reason, a McDonalds worker beaten to death over cold fries.
Whatever.Well as far as I am concerned the Republicans and their penchant for authoritarianism is the real danger.
I want them out, period, and whatever influence I have will be toward that end.
Your comment is a diversionary tactic, if we don't get it right here, it is just going to be just that much harder to control things overthere.
I can't be concerned about China while I have fascists running free here in America, democracy is being threatened and that always take precedence except in the minds of rightwing, conservative types.
I am talking about fundamentals, Ken, not cab drivers and French fries. The Right would have its form of dictatorship right here in America. And what does China have over our home grown variety of tyrant?
If you haven't noticed, these issues are not "politics" but an attempt to unravel my democratic government and I won't sit idly by. Under such a threat, China is a far lesser concern.It looks like you don't think the rule of law is fundamental to our democracy.
GA"Well as far as I am concerned the Republicans and their penchant for authoritarianism is the real danger."
Really? Not sure how anyone could make that statement at this point. The current administration has permitted unabridged overreach. It would seem you have been blind to that.
This bunch has used the FBI, and DOJ as an arm of the White House. The Biden Administration is as close to a dictatorship as we have ever witnessed. They have attempted to shut up parents and stick their long noses into State Governments.
In my view, you seem to have joined in with those that have an affinity for projection.
I actually can't come up with any action Trump presented while president, that could be labeled or seen as government overreach.
Can you? Or have you just joined the liberal crowd, and found it suitable to label without facts?
I want "them out, due to the clear damage they have done... Our economy is failing, and the mistakes Biden has made in regard to poor judgment in foreign matters are outrageous. We at present are in a proxy war with Russia, his disastrous pull pout from Afganastan, and the bigger brewing problems we now see worsening under Biden's watch. He has ushered in close to 5 million illegal immigrants with his open border policy of just turning the other way, and saying "our borders are closed. Yeah --- I want him and them our.
Good to hear you can't be bothered worrying about China... That is too rich to touch on.
The right is not and never has promoted any form of dictatorship. Trump is as far from a dictator as one could get. He was open, transparent, and presented an administration that had zero overreaches. I am talking deeds, not drummed up "he said this crap".
He has a lot of faults but while president he worked for all the people. Some just never could bring themselves to see that.
And bud, you are sitting by as our government is being ruined by authoritarianism administration. I would think they are pleased to see the sheep follow without question.
Thank God we are of a very sound mind. and have no intention of letting the country go down.
You preach from a high horse, I have one too.That is definitely OUR war. We are supplying the very best "Black Ops" our best military equipment and over 20,000 "freedom fighters" hail from the US, Canada and Britain... all who must have proof of military experience to be there, of course.
I was watching a report on the recent counter offensive in the south, and they briefly showed inside one of the Tactical Op Centers, with all the laptops and screens overseeing a missile strike into the heart of Crimea.
They all erupted in celebration as they watched the missiles strike, they all were speaking english.
I didn't know english was the native language of Ukraine... interesting.This is so shocking, but not unexpected to hear. This administration is visibly getting away with ruining America.
I will restate your first line Ken --- It is our war, and we must make sure to stay vigilant on the front lines.Ken,
I have to interject. English is taught in the early grades in Ukraine. All Ukrainians know some English and many of them speak broken English but can make themselves understood. Most of the younger people in Ukraine speak pretty good English because of the internet, etc. So, it is no surprise they would be speaking English as they probably had to learn how to handle weapons in English speaking countries. Many Ukrainian military people have gone to English speaking countries for training.Hi Mike,
I am not trying to minimize Ukranian efforts, but there is a large contingent of foreign forces in Ukraine, they have been shipping in the very BEST most advanced weapons America has in its arsenal to Ukraine, enough so that if they wanted to go on the offensive into the heart of Russia they could.
That mission I mentioned I watched, was a HIMARS strike that took out a primary Russian airfield, deep in Crimea, not too long ago.
This is totally America's war, its Javelins, its Special Forces painting targets, its HIMARS and Phoenix Ghost drones.
If it wasn't America's war, there would be no Ukrainian offensive, there would be no taking back Crimea, let alone the Donbas region.You are 100 percent correct.
Ukraine would not be able to have much battlefield success if it wasn't for the United States and Western European powers. They have provided the equipment and training as well as finances to help Ukraine succeed.
Do you think they also benefit since Ukraine is making certain Putin is unable to move his military beyond Ukraine and attack other European countries in the region?I don't think Putin was a threat to go beyond Ukraine.
I do think the US made sure we had war in Ukraine.
I do think it is in America's interests to ensure Russia does not get too powerful and does not join its power to China to oppose us in the future.
I do think we are involved in Ukraine to topple Putin and install a pro-Western "Banana Republic" in Russia, ultimately, to help ensure we have the ability to engage China directly from the north.
I think nothing is ever as it seems the MSM presents it to be.
Without American troops (which of course aren't there), military equipment, and financing Ukraine would have been swallowed whole by Russia within a month's time.
This is now dragging in China, to support Russia, as China is becoming aware that if Russia fails in Ukraine, they will fail totally and become a puppet to the West.
Where is goes from here I don't care to imagine as I always felt the fools who decided to start this war with Russia would lead us to nuclear war and the collapse of human civilization as we know it."I don't think Putin was a threat to go beyond Ukraine."
I don't agree with this. Putin's desire to put the old USSR back together again is well known. You should hear how the Russians talk about their "wayward children" which refers to the countries that are now independent.
I believe the weapons and all the money would be useless without the courage and determination of the Ukrainian people as well as the Ukrainian military.
They have not backed down or given up when facing some very, very difficult situations. Nothing has broken their spirit. Murdering innocent civilians has only motivated them more.We will have to agree to disagree.
Putin wanted to ensure he had a pro-Russian leadership in Ukraine, as he has in Belarus and Georgia.
I believe Putin was intent on re-installing a pro-Russian regime I don't think he wanted to occupy Ukraine, he wanted to ensure Crimea remained part of Russia, this is for military and economic reasons, not because he wanted to grab up territory.
I don't believe there was any plan beyond that. The nations that were already part of NATO were never going back, I am sure he recognized this.
Ukraine's people were going to be stuck in a war, one that will not end with a Russian defeat unless Putin dies. The more Ukraine fights to get back Crimea the more I am certain it will continue to escalate. Putin is not going to back down, and the fact that the West has always refused to accept Crimea's secession has meant Ukraine was going to be dragged into this war.
Need I remind you of Zelensky's hardliner policy to retake Crimea by force:
https://mronline.org/2021/04/08/why-ukr … opolitics/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … ack-crimea
This is where the war began. Once Biden was elected it was a foregone conclusion that hostilities in Ukraine would pick back up and an escalation of war was a certainty. I don't believe Trump would have backed, funded, and given military support to take Crimea back by force and engage Russia in fullscale war.
"You preach from a high horse, I have one too"
Fair enough, you have made your case, let's just see whose horse can go the distance.....Always up for a wager. I think I have the lead. I mean the country is in a proxy war, the economy is in the tank (I know Old Biden claimed we had zero inflation) however we are at 8.5%, and still paying double for gas than we did before Trump left office
We have had almost 5 million migrants cross into our one borders...
Crime is rampant in Democratic cities, with wack jobs committing crimes and back out on the streets within hours not to mention streets littered with needles, and homeless. Hey, you can deny all of this, but unfortunately, you would be fooling yourself. He has angered his parents, done a really bad job with COVID, and is already failed with Monkey pox. We now have a new virus spreading, that could have been stopped cold. The man is a total failure, no matter what they put on him, sunglasses, little blue blazers, have him run a couple of steps to a podium, ya can't buff up this guy.
Come on you must know by now you picked a dud, a horse that never broke maiden... And never will.We will see, the political landscape can change with the weather. We all know what makes conservatives see their desired outcome as a "slam dunk", but will it play and work out in real time by election time?
McConnell says that you just as well give up any hope of Senate control because of poor quality candidates, just the sort that Trump endorses.....
I hope that Trump keeps endorsing.....You do realize McConnell is on your side. Or I should say on the side of keeping the Washinton elites well hidden and maintaining their power.
Yes, we certainly don't know what will happen in Nov. I mean we now have another very convenient Trump investigation. Although, Trump is on it, and is claiming his 4th amendment was violated. So, it may just be the DOJ will be forced to cough up the affidavit to prove their need to raid his home.
So, could the Dem's ploy of another investigation really put them behind the eightball?
Trump's Layers say all the documents the DOJ wanted were given. I mean he let them visit twice... This all looks pretty "put-up". He claimes he fully cooperated with retuning the document.
I must give Trump credit, he fights fire with fire.Mr Trump continues to work from the same playbook and it's tiresome.
If and when his claims make it through the courts will he accept the outcome? Or will we continue to hear cries of persecution and corrupt courts? There really is no good outcome here as we are in an age of simply denying truth and constructing our own reality.It seems you respect your truth over all others. There are millions of people that see a different truth and are in no respect going to buy into what you may feel is true. There are always too many pieces left out of the other side's truth. The truth nowadays is reconstructed to suit an agenda in my view. The truth of the left media always has a sense of hysteria mixed in... And some throw all common sense to the wind.
It would appear Trump will get his day in court, a chance to show his side. This is what has been needed all along. he filed that his 4th amendment was violated. This most likely will end up in the Supreme Court quickly, due to it's a true 4th amendment violation of an ex-president. it is evident that one of our most respected Consitusioal attorneys and constitutional scholar Alan Dershowitz believes this to be true.AD made claimed that Trump's 4th amendment was violated. Trump will be heard, and I believe this time around we will see clearly what the weaponization of the FBI, and DOJ has perpetrated, and the danger of these two agencies can cause America.
Watching the Sunday morning show I saw an interview with Alan Dershowitz. He claimed Trump's 4th amendment was violated due to the raid on his home. He also went into a few examples of the problems he has encountered since sharing his legal opinion on Trump's rights. He claimed Caroline Kennedy refused to sit by him at a dinner party. She claimed she would not feel comfortable sitting next to him, due to " the support he has offered Trump"...
Dershowitz claimed he has been canceled by the left. He has been very verbal about what rights Trump has under the constitution. He claimed his speaking engagements have been canceled, as well as many friends have deserted him, all due to his pointing out solid laws which Trump has on his side.
Yes, it's overdue that the truth be put forward, All of the truth, not media propaganda.The truth I respect and the one I'm referring to is the absolute unrefutable fact that the 2020 election was not rigged nor stolen. Almost all Republican candidates in the 2022 midterms are running on this lie.
It's a fact that Mr Trump lost by a large margin. These are the kinds of Truth we need to see acknowledged in this country.
The rest, opinions of constitutional lawyers and the like can be debated by each side ad nauseam.Come on Faye once again you deflect. You do that often. I realize Jan 6th is a relevant subject, but you ruminate on it and deflect frequently back to it. My comment was about the here and now, the raid on Trump's home, yet you delve back into Jan 6th. No real mention of the latest investigation, the raid on Trump's home? You seem to be stuck on all the past Trump scandals. They do pile up, all without any form of crime committed, no indictments. But yet you bring up all his past discretions. Maybe stop and really think about the past 5 years of accusing Trump of just about every crime known to man, and it appears you bought them. Don't you feel it's a bit odd he is still out among us, never been indicted, never been imprisoned? Is it the unintelligent thing to do to continue to accuse this man of crimes that have not been proven to be crimes? In regard to the "big lie".
Actually, many would disagree with you in regard to the 2020 election being rigged. Many do feel it was or may have been rigged.
Back to my original subject --- I will take the word of a man that has spent his life studying our constitution, I realize some prefer the media to keep them educated on just about anything. I can see we have different methods of getting to the truth when it comes to the constitution -. Alan Dershowitz is very well respected at least he was before he defended Trump in his impeachment, and once again now... This tells me a lot about liberals. And it ain't pretty.
I am curious as to what other prominent attorney beside Alan Dershowitz thinks that Trump has a case? Here is just a little contrary assessment to brighten your day.
"According to the Library of Congress, the Fourth Amendment is, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
According to Garland there was sufficient probable cause to justify the warrant. So against the claim of a legally valid search warrant, Trumps claims of "violation" remains moot.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-l … nse-2022-8"According to Garland, there was sufficient probable cause to justify the warrant. So against the claim of a legally valid search warrant, Trump's claims of "violation" remains moot."
Trump has some positive evidence that he was cooperating with the Archives, they came in Feb 2022 and received 15 boxes. It appears while the archives were assessing the boxes they felt some documents were missing, so the DOJ in Jun 2022 subpoenaed Trump to have further access to what was left in his basement. In days he let the agents come, they removed a handful of documents and requested the room have better security on the door, and Trump again complied. Then last week without notice or another subpoena raided his home while he was in New Jersey.
I would think Trump could have been served another subpoena due that he cooperated with the first one. he let the archives retrieve boxes without any form of a subpoena.
It well appears he was cooperating. Althiugh none of us really know what the DOJ was after or if it was retrieved.
I am with Alan, it well appears his 4th amendment right was violated. I think Trump is hell-bent on seeing the affidavit to see what they
are after. Garland has admitted that he is in an early stage of the investigation, so did this require a raid or another subpoena? Trump has good proof he was cooperating.
I guess it will be up to a judge, But I think this being a constitutional problem we know where it is headed.
I don't feel there is anyone as good to argue one's constitutional rights then AD. I think some are conveniently not willing to keep an open mind, and just hang them high once again. We have done just that many times --Taxes, Russia, and he was not guilty of crimes in either. So do we want to become a people to condemn and punish before we find the truth?
This justice is one-sided, clearly, one-sided. Now some are willing to cancel a long-time Democrat, a man that is well versed in his field, just because he won't tell them what they want to hear.
I am not part of this kind of mob. Hopefully, you are not either.Mr. Trump's attorney told the Justice Department that all classified documents had been returned in June. Obviously they were not. Apparently the DOJ caught wind that there were still documents in Mr Trump's possession and decided to conduct a search.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/08 … 660436167/We are going on conjecture. We know due to the receipt of the warrant that documents were taken and the classifications varied.
I am not willing to say either side is being untruthful. Mistakes can be made. We do know the FBI had access to the documents in June. without any form of problem. It still remains unseen for one wear they found these documents they took on the night of the raid. Were they hidden somewhere else other than the basement in the remaining boxes? Were they in those boxes and missed in June? We just know too little.
And as expected many are willing to think the very worse. It would appear or at least Trump claims to have security footage of the search. This could be helpful.
It seems that the DOJ could have once again subpoenaed Trump, and see if he would comply once again.
It now seems he is doing the right thing by filing his 4th amendment was violated. This could take the case to the Supreme Court, the very experts on our Constitution. It would also give him a look at the affidavit, to see what he is being suspected of doing, and what law they feel he has broken.There is nothing "obvious" about it.
You see and believe what you want to believe, there is no way to know what the truth is regarding this, this is way too political. Right now Biden and his Administration have the power, there is nothing impartial about this investigation or those who want to see it pursued."It has been reported that a confidential informant told law enforcement authorities that Trump was not telling the truth about having turned over all classified information in his possession. It has also been reported that the security camera footage revealed that boxes were moved into and out of the storage room after the Justice Department contacted Trump’s team about the boxes still in his possession.
The informant is said to have described the nature and the location of the material still at Mar-a-Lago. It has also been reported that the material in question pertained to nuclear weapons, and there is some language in the warrant itself to suggest this may be correct."
Speculation from a right leaning source but it hits home for me.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just … whats-nextRight, a confidential informant, in other words, no way of knowing if it is completely fabricated BS or not.
Thank you Sharlee, crime is endemic in Democrat run cities. In New York City, city almost occur by the hour. Each time I read the news, someone is either mugging, robbing, or assauting someone. I refuse to ride the subway because of this. I know that "Mayor" Eric Adams was a joke so I refuse to vote for him, knowing that he would do nothing. I wanted Curtis Sliwa for mayor-he was a law & order mayor like Giuliani was. Democratic cities are going to hell in a hand basket.
"The Right would have its form of dictatorship right here in America."
What the heck?????'What the heck'? Katelyn. Welcome to the discussion, and have a lovely day.
I passed this one by . . . until Cred doubled down. Childish and small-minded wouldn't be my choice of words, but even using less strident words, your message is still valid in the greater context.
However, a political forum isn't that 'greater context,' it's just an arena, and we all enter voluntarily.
DrMark thought 'constant whinner' was a good label, but I'm sure Cred thinks you both are just 'Rightwinger' nut jobs and Trump apologists.
Scourge of the earth we are. ;-)
GAUnderstood.
But the constant harping on "I have fascists running free here in America, democracy is being threatened and that always take precedence except in the minds of rightwing, conservative types. The Right would have its form of dictatorship right here in America."
To me the idea of the Republicans creating a fascist dictatorship, is lunacy. There is plenty to be concerned about, ... the Republicans are the least of America's concerns.
To be blind to the social and cultural decay we are witnessing in America, especially in CA... you know they say "CA is ten years ahead of where the rest of the nation is going" one can only hope it isn't so:
https://www.newsbharati.com/Encyc/2022/ … egins.html
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/7-elev … robberies/
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor … ime-spikes
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/ … 380942.php
And then there is the 'organized' criminal aspect crossing the border:
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/04/ … rm-needed/
I often talk about the pendulum swinging.
Well, the Leftwing and Moderate MSM made Trump out to be worse than Hitler and painted his supporters as racist fascist types.
This may keep the pendulum from swinging, when labeling the opposition party and the supporters of that party the worst most despicable names and historical figures one can... you eliminate the ability for control and compromise to swing from one party to the other.
This is how Democracy is broken, this is how Republics falter, this is currently what we are in the midst of now.
These are the precursors to Tyrannical rule gaining control. These are also the precursors to large scale warfare.
It is sad to see those of intelligence dragged into the muck, overjoyed with the idea of "tormenting Republicans".
We need someone to unify us, that isn't Trump, that isn't Biden in most ways he is worse than Trump (did you catch the excerpts of Biden's daughter's diary that became public?)... I'm not sure there is someone that will arrive before it all goes very, very wrong."To me the idea of the Republicans creating a fascist dictatorship is lunacy. There is plenty to be concerned about, ... the Republicans are the least of America's concerns."
This infuriates me too... And I hate to coin a left popular line --- They are so blatantly projecting. My God, this administration has been very much authoritarian. Using overreach in many facets of American lives. One would be very blinded not to realize this.
PS. Oh yes, the excerps were online for a short time, and I read them. Nor was his son's personal pronhub home movie left online. I saw them before they were taken down. The media and the internet have provided a very unrealistic picture of Joe Biden.
If one wants to get to know Biden, his character, one only needs to visit his Government page and check how he voted from the time he came into office. That has not been removed as of yet that is. Each and every bill he voted on is there. What we see now is the new and improved Biden... His days in the Senate speak loudly.You are preaching to the choir Ken. We have always agreed on your pendulum analogy. We didn't invent it, but it is an unignorable truism to me. So your point about the disappearance of the 'controlling hand' of political moderation is one I also think is serious.
As for the lunacy, that's just Cred, (et al.), he doesn't really mean it, he's just new to the varsity team. You can't blame a guy for trying.
I can't take your other points as lightly, I agree with your seriousness. There was a philosopher that spoke to it in regards to the societal benefit of continuing most past cultural traditions and prescriptions. He thought every societal growth evolution; from caveman to teepee, and teepee to skyscraper, has shown the benefit of continuing proven cultural norms.
The one I see in most danger from Cred and his ilk, (oh hell, I said 'ilk'), is 'belief in the rule of law' in our democracy—the same one they feel is most threatened by us, but it isn't 'us' you see in your examples, it's them. (Oh hell, now I used 'us' and them', I better get ready)
GAWhat you have yet to explain to me is how I and progressives are attacking the principle of rule of law. It is clear from January 6th, who was actually doing that. So what are you driving at?
There was this movement called "defund the police." Let's not forget the months of riots in Portland, Seattle, LA, Minneapolis, etc. There was a current VP who endorsed an organization funding bail for rioters.
You mean the current VP? Why then did sane Americans, use insane and uncommon sense to vote her, and the old stoge Biden in...and vote out Trump? Not just thinking or curiosity! Surely, you don't ever like the man Trump? I do like him.
Yep, it appears that the role of "scourge" fits.
You continue to amaze me with your tendency ignore what is clearly before you.
Moderate Republican=jackalope
Whether we like it or not, we are in a partisan and ideological divide. Stoping the Republicans and their designs on society is hardly childish nor puerile, but a necessary step toward Righting the ship.
Everybody knows that for Trumpers, Trump can do and get away with anything and still have their support. If that what you mean by Trump Apologists, here you are....
I am surprised that you so easily joint their ranks.
Her conservative politics/record would be a stretch for many Democrats to embrace. I admire her courage, integrity and principles but she'd have to moderate her position on the political spectrum before I'd seriously consider a vote for her.
Although I do have to admit I like her pragmatic approach and realism.Thunbs up for any such courageous female! The American Presidency is not just for men. A year or two ago, I post a thread io the forum to that effect.
Interesting, too soon to think about it. I am still recuperating from some of the names she is being called on social media today. Some are even biblical.
I do think plenty of dark cash will quickly come her way. So, she may have the cash to make a run.Why would dark money be attracted to Liz Cheney??
But on the flip side Mr. Trump bombarded his supporters with more than 100 emails asking for money based on the FBI’s search of the Mar-a-Lago Club for classified materials last week. They paid off.
Contributions to Trump’s political action committee topped $1 million on at least two days after the Aug. 8 search of mar a lago. The grift is in full swing.It is my view that Cheney could attract dark money due to her passion to rid the world of Trump, she in my view is walking on the path alongside the Democrats to rid the world of politics of Trump.
The political arm of the Democrats wants Trump out of politics and let's face it they are always open to dark money and could certainly help promote Cheney as a baseball bat to beat Trump overhead. Some of their dark money could find its way into her war chest. Note I did not comment on whether she would take it. I have no idea if she would. However, Dems are well known to take dark money, and perhaps they would share it if Cheney could not support a run.
"Democrats Decried Dark Money. Then They Won With It in 2020.
A New York Times analysis reveals how the left outdid the right at raising and spending millions from undisclosed donors to defeat Donald Trump and win power in Washington." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/p … onors.html
The Hill --- Democrats topped GOP in raising, spending ‘dark money from undisclosed donors in 2020: report
"Democrats reportedly outpaced Republicans in raising and spending so-called “dark money” from undisclosed donors in 2020, according to a new investigation from The New York Times.
"The Times found that 15 of the most politically active non-profit organizations that typically support the Democratic Party spent more than $1.5 billion in 2020, while 15 similar groups that usually side with the GOP used about $900 million."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 … ed-donors/
Politico --- Liberal 'dark-money' behemoth funneled more than $400M in 2020
The Sixteen Thirty Fund sent the cash to groups that aided Democrats' efforts to unseat then-President Donald Trump and Republicans' Senate majority. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/1 … und-522781
Yes, Trump does have a rather aggressive request for cash. He is good at raising money from supporters in small and large amounts. This does say something about the number of supporters he may have.
It is clear that many will support Trump, and hope to have answers about the FBI raid. We are looking for facts on what precipitated the raid. It once again is a case that has accused Trump of wrongdoings, and now is looking for evidence. Accuse, let the media run with it, and elitists condemnation. Then punish without facts. This is unfair, and unAmerican in my view. And IMO Americans need to stop this form of persecution.
The Democrats have used these scummy tactics for many years, and it's time to put this kind of politics to an end.
Trump is a big threat to the Democrats, and it is clear they will do anything to try to stop him. Thus far they have not indicted him for any of the many accusations of crimes. This should clearly make some stop and evaluate what the Dems have tried to do for the past years Trump has been in politics.
They claimed they would get him on taxes, they got his taxes, there was no there there. They said he was colluding with Russia, no there there, they tried to impeach him twice... Maybe wake up and have a better look at what the Dems have perpetrated. And are still trying to do.
The Democrats in my view are dirty, they deal in scams, and lies. There is a long trail of scams in regard to going after Trump.
We said our pieces, let's not screw up GA thread with all that is Trump...
As my comment stated I feel - Interesting, too soon to think about it. I am still recuperating from some of the names she is being called on social media today. Some are even biblical.I'm secretly hoping she will go for the Christian principle of an "eye for an eye"
At this point, we all know she doesn't need money. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Let the games begin."Eye for an eye" -- you may have missed something, the Jan 6th investigation. She certainly has openly shown her rath for Trump. It appears she has paid dearly for trying to gouge out Trump's eye. She is the one that at this point needs the patch.
Not sure about her funds, I did read she spent little on her failure to keep her seat in Congress. So, it would stand to reason she has some cash.
Hard to predict what is next for Cheney, I am sure we have not seen the last of her.
It won't be to create a legitimate third party, or under any belief that she could win.
As you say, like Perot, it will be to pull votes away. If they feel it will insure no return of Trump, and it will help keep Biden in power, they will do just that.Yep, it won't really create a legitimate 3rd party, but that thought was just polite 'cover,' for not stating the obvious purpose —pulling a 'Perot' to keep ex-Pres. Trump out of the White House.
GA
“That’s a decision that I’m going to make in the coming months, and I’m not going to make any announcements here this morning. But it is something that I am thinking about, and I’ll make a decision in the coming months,” Cheney told NBC’s “Today” early Wednesday when pressed on if she is thinking about a White House bid.
I think that seems to be the plan.
Cheney added to that speculation in her concession speech on election night, asserting “now the real work begins.”
“So, I ask you tonight to join me. As we leave here, let us resolve that we will stand together — Republicans, Democrats and independents — against those who would destroy our republic,” she said at the end of her speech.
“They are angry and they are determined, but they have not seen anything like the power of Americans united in defense of our Constitution and committed to the cause of freedom. There is no greater power on this Earth and with God’s help, we will prevail,” she added.
In an interview she said the same thing.
"I believe that Donald Trump continues to pose a very grave threat and risk to our Republic. And I think that defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of republicans, democrats and independents. And that's what I intent to be a, to be part of."
And based on this video, I think she's not alone.
https://youtu.be/RhGLrprDGTs
Rep. Kinzinger: "The republicans have become cult".
It is a good watch. But if you only interested in their plans, check watch from minute 8:20.cheney's political future looks grim.
I suppose she could run for president as an independent.
I told you before, she is hated as despised by those in the Republican Party. If she does run for political office again, cheney will probably have to run as an independent.
The Democrat party doesn't want her.
Her best hope is that someone who likes her is elected and appoints her to a position.Why would a woman be despised for remaining consistent in her convictions and views?
Liz Cheney's opponent, Harriet Hageman once made the following documented statement about Mr. Trump, describing him as:
“racist and xenophobic,” and and the “weakest” contender the Republicans could put forth."
But now she's all aboard the MAGA train? At best, the woman is a disingenuous, pandering flip flopper.
Sadly, she's not alone. I could fill a page with past seething comments about Mr Trump made by the likes of Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Kevin McCarthy and more.
Remember when Mr Graham called Mr Trump a “jackass,” a “kook,” “a race-baiting bigot,” and “the most flawed nominee in the history of the Republican Party,”?
And when his now good buddy Ted Cruz said the following,
“I’m gonna tell you what I really think of Donald Trump: This man is a pathological liar. He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth, and in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying.”
Courage of conviction is not a Hallmark of the MAGA party.All I can tell you is in the world of politics it is "That was then, and this is now." It's how it works. President Donald Trump burned a lot of top Republicans when he beat them to get the nomination for the Republican party. So, comments like these are not to be taken seriously.
It's a different world today. President Donald Trump has proven he is more conservative than the most conservative Republicans. He won a lot of faithful followers because his time in office impressed many Republicans. Combine that with the insane non-stop persecution of him by the Democrats and he is viewed in a whole different light right now.“racist and xenophobic,” and the “weakest” contender the Republicans could put forth."
But now she's all aboard the MAGA train? At best, the woman is a disingenuous, pandering flip flopper."
Harriet Hageman made that statement in 2016. Is it possible she may have changed her views after she became more acquainted with Trump, and the job he did as president? You know people do change their minds after getting to know one close-up. Trump won over many citizens I am sure after they considered his job performance and not just media rhetoric.
At any rate, if you want flip-floppers to look to all the ones on the debate stage with Biden... They all had a field day at Biden's expense. All being very truthful, and slamming him with the truth of his past.
".At best, the woman is disingenuous, pandering flip-flopper."
Really, would you like some examples of pandering on Harris?
They all do it, do they not?
I know that I am arriving late to this party, but what never ceases to amaze me is how some of the once most hated on the right, are suddenly now heroes to the left! IF and when, (and depending on the level they've turned it up to; for the Cheney's, red hot) they turn on Trump!
Makes me wonder, how broad, how colorful, the deep state really is?!?
Although, no matter who they are or their professed color...if they are working against the American people, they are the color of dog doodoo.For anyone who doesn't believe the Republican Party has become so extreme and fascist: this just in from the Kingdom of DeSantis: this is one of the candidates for the state legislature.
A Republican Florida state House candidate who wants to legalize shooting federal agents said Friday that he has been banned from Twitter after posting his platform on the social network.
Republican Luis Miguel told Florida Politics on Friday that he received a message from Twitter informing him of his permanent suspension.
“Under my plan, all Floridians will be able to shoot FBI, IRS, ATF, and all other federal troops on sight,” Miguel wrote in his tweet, which was screencapped by Miami-based filmmaker Billy Corben. “Let freedom ring.”
https://nypost.com/2022/08/19/twitter-b … tf-agents/
God save this country from what Mr Trump has unleashed upon us.
The Republican Party has birthed a monster that will hopefully ultimately eat it alive.Trump has not endorsed this man, nor is Trump responsible for this man's words. I have never heard Trump encourage killing anyone be it FBI or DOJ or IRF. he has shared his opinion on violence as a whole, being very opposed to violence.
The Republican party does not share this man's views either. This is a free country this man has the right to run for office, the voters have a right to vote for him or for the other candidate.
I would assume this man has little to no backing from the Republican party.
It seems you feel you have the right to just blame Trump for anything you choose. In my view, this is unfair and odd.
I can agree the country is in need of saving, it's doing very poorly at this point. Hopefully, Americans will right the ship with their votes in Nov. and 2024.The Republican party does not share this man's views either. This is a free country this man has the right to run for office, the voters have a right to vote for him or for the other candidate.
It is always the excuse of the Republicans, disown when it is convienient, of course this man is just part and parcel of the party that you profess to be a part of.Trump has been made a scapegoat so much, that the slightest political ills, will be visited on him. God save the man Trump.
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