The USA is destined to win WW III.

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Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago
Some people are not in agreement as far as conspiracy theories. Yet rumors abound explaining that whoever put Obama in place is pretty much controlling the US from behind the scenes. The next presidential race "they" say will be between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Then we will have an "election" where Jeb wins and afterwards runs the country very badly. Then, when it counts, the left will move back into power…. slowly moving us toward socialism. We will fall for it, We will crumble.
But, then we will bounce back into position once we know for sure what is actually going on. Right when China and Russia and whoever else thinks they have us, we'll fight back, possibly on our very soil. The statue of liberty might tumble into the sea, but her arm and torch may remain visible, raising out of the sea... and we will win the third world war.
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  gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well, that is a good hypothesis to say the least. It is well thought out!
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  Carey Mitchellposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I won't enter into the debate around the scenario, but will comment that America's most powerful weapon has always been our economy - it allowed us to gear up and successfully wage WW I and II. Now that it is stagnant and weakening, while China and Russia are growing theirs (economies and especially their military), I am not as optimistic about the outcome of a major war. I don't believe there is likely to be a WW type engagement, but more "proxy wars" and low intensity conflicts.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, maybe even internet based.
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FatFreddysCatposted 9 years ago
Ooooooo-kay. Does Elvis talk to you, too?
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  MelissaBarrettposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I used to have to dissolve things on my tongue to have conversations like this. Imagine the money I could have saved had I known HP was offering the service free of charge.
  
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  calculus-geometryposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I used to have to dissolve things on my tongue to have conversations like this.
  Gonna have to steal this for use in real life. Seriously, my eyes are welling up.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How is this any crazier than a belief in something such as, say, the Bible?
  
  Really. It's completely illogical to believe in the Bible or the Koran. There's all kinds of weirdness in those books and religions. Think about it. The leader of the Catholic church wears a fish crown on his head.
  
  Weird ideas doesn't make a person crazy.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  This has potential for an interesting conversation.
  
  Weird ideas (or at least many weird ideas or even a few really weird ideas) technically do make a person crazy. I mean that's kind of the definition of crazy. It's all a matter of degrees. At a certain degree, religious belief IS an indicator of mental illness.
  
  There is a level of deviance from societal norms that is acceptable, once a person passes that threshold then yes, there is likely something happening up there that shouldn't be. It isn't a matter of logical verses illogical, it's a matter of abnormal thinking vs. normal thinking. Lots of concepts are illogical but still within "normal" thinking (religious beliefs and traditions fall in this category) Lot of things are logical but outside the realm of normal thinking (a lot of phobias fall into this category).
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that.
  
  People like me, who can't function in society and stay "down to earth" have to take meds and should get therapy.
  
  It's ok to have weird ideas, as long as they don't take over your life. (Like I've done). Or, if you can't control it.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  True. I don't think there should be a stigma attached to it. At the same time, I think it's invaluable to get the feedback that these "weird ideas" aren't really typical. It's harsh, but that's how those individuals who do have mental illness generally become aware of it. It's a form of societal self-regulation.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If you believe this conspiracy theory, explain why. if you do not, explain why.
  Otherwise, you are on the other side of a wall, in which case, I, for one, cannot see you.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I wasn't talking to you. Sorry. It was an interesting sub-conversation. Such things happen. Keep on behind that wall dear.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not a very nice sub conversation at all.
  
  And very very very off topic.
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  PrettyPantherposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I'm on the other side of the wall, too. Too much Pink Floyd in her younger years? ;-)
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  MelissaBarrettposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Too many Pink Floyd CONCERTS I would guess would be closer.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I never thought of it that way. Perhaps you have a good point. In my own personal experience, especially during my first "episode" I had no idea what was going on. I had no idea I was acting strangely. I didn't know till later that my boyfriend had called my mom and family over for an "intervention".
  
  I can self-regulate a bit more easily now, because I know the signs of the beginnings of psychosis. Still, once I'm there, I don't know what's real and what's in my mind.
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janesixposted 9 years ago
If there will be war, it will be a war of resources. I doubt it will be about some conspiracy theory.
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janesixposted 9 years ago
But who really wins, if everything's blown to bits?
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janesixposted 9 years ago
Even science is illogical and weird. Quantum mechanics? Particles popping into existence for no apparent reason? Far from logical, yet millions of people swear by it and accept it at face value.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  No, JS I am discussing conspiracy theories and whether or not this one is believable. Many people believe this one. To understand world affairs in this light allows one to remain calm in an increasingly mad world.
  TWISI.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I know. I was just saying you aren't crazy for thinking so, as others were insinuating.
  
  As for your theory, I don't think there is any big conspiracy. I think that there is probably major influence in politics from big corporations or other interests, but that's about as far as I think it goes.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How much influence do they have over the going-ons in this country?
  
  And the real question is:
  
  Q.What are the influences?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have no idea, but probably quite a bit.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Yes. Yes.
  ...whoever want to convince me this is not true, I am all eyes.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Even if it is true, what could even possibly be done about it?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Awareness is everything.
  A lot!
  
  We could prevent a lot of suffering.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well, do you have any proof of anything? Let's take a look at the proof, and then go over the details.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I also want to point out that I've been through the NWO conspiracy phase. I've seen it all. There is a lot of BS and conjecture involved. There is very little proof that I've seen for any of it. I'm willing to take a look at anything real you have to show though.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, getting to the heart of the matter: What is the preferred evidence? and proof?
  
  1 Social engineering: Foods Stamps, Welfare, Prolonged Unemployment benefits.
  2. Shutting down natural resource production coal, oil, natural gas, (and in California, water!)
  3. Rigged votes: dead people voting, illegal aliens voting, military votes "getting lost" and not counting.
  4. Misinformation dispensation in schools regarding the true history of this country.
  5. Preaching change as far as the US Constitution. And not protecting the Constitution.
  6. Allowing the POTUS to legislate when he should be executing!
  7. Over regulating businesses.
  8. Advocating No boundaries for countries.
  9. Spreading the belief of No such thing as common sense.
  10. Instilling the belief of No such thing as God/Creator or therefore, Soul.
  11. Proclaiming there are No laws of Nature to follow.
  12. Spreading the belief of No Free Will for individuals (to guide.)
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  All these things could just be normal human stupidity.
  
  You have to come up with things like: Documents that show money changing hands, leaked emails that can be proven as valid. Who owns what and who makes deals with who. Paper trails. Things of that nature.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Proof of this evidence? I would say the proof is in the quality if life now compared to the quality of life of not only the golden years of America, but of most of the years before that! The proof is in the putting.
  How many kids are living at home past the age of 25? How many in this age group are unable to find jobs in the field they studied? How many have extreme debt after graduating? How many will be unable to have insurance? How many will never be able to own a house?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I just have to disagree. I don't think those things are proof of anything. They just show what is wrong with this world. Not the whys or that there is a conspiracy involved.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Okay I will say this, you may be right.
  Why is common sense not more common? or practically non existent?
  These days?
  How is "normal human stupidity" overcome?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  It DOES seem like there is a giant NWO conspiracy. What I think is going on is spiritual, though, and not a conspiracy. I've seen many people go through the NWO phase. I did. You get over it. For some, it's "aliens" or "reptilians" or "Armageddon" or a mixture. You are projecting, in my opinion. It's inside, not outside. It's a stage of spiritual developement. There is a certain amount of reflection on the outside. As above, so below.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thats right, JS I agree.
  How can we get America back on the right track?
  By knowing/understanding what the Constitution is based on. By expecting our politicians to respect it and follow it.
  
  By teaching the true history of America to our youth. And helping them realize the benefits of our democratic republic. A little loyalty please. A little patriotism will go a long way, within and without.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "How can we get America back on the right track?
  By knowing/understanding what the Constitution is based on. By expecting our politicians to respect it and follow it. By teaching the true history of America to our youth. And helping them realize the benefits of our democratic republic."
  
  Sure, good ideas.
  
  "A little loyalty please. A little patriotism will go a long way, within and without."
  
  You may dislike me for this, and I hope you don't, but I no longer have feelings of patriotism. I see the human species as a single entity that is growing up, and needs to learn how to work as a whole.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  We can be a good example. Fences make for harmony.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  A good example of what?
  
  I feel I have pretty good morals. I attempt, (without succeeding much of the time) to be nice to other people, listen to their point of view, etc. There is a lot of inner work I am doing and still need to do. Many faults I need to face and try to overcome.
  
  Not sure what more I could do to help the world and make it a better place. I try to point out things like environmental issues, but most people just ignore it. I have NO credibility to speak of.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  … The example I meant was our democratic republic, working as it was designed and the people of our country living in harmony, having common sense, living according to (spiritual / commonsense) morals and values.
  
  (At least you are trying. That is the important thing: To not give up. Thanks for this discussion. We got to the conclusion very rapidly, thanks to you.)
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  What is common sense to you? Can people even agree on what that is? Probably not.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Common sense: perhaps the most uncommon thing in the world. Much like the "correct" biblical interpretation; no two people can agree on what it is.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. That's what I was thinking.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Common means scientifically and naturally applicable to all people. Laws of nature/ applicable to all people. Maybe it gets down to science!
  nature has laws. if we do not follow the laws of nature we will all suffer.
  
  What laws are those?
  
  What laws of nature should we follow that we are currently breaking and causing us to suffer?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  There are too many disagreements on what is common sense in every category of every subject known to man.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are commonalities. Of course, there are. (you are making me think too fast. lol and sorry.) That is why that discussion was so important to me. Because nature says that they should NOT be breastfeeding past the point they have teeth. If there is no such thing as common sense there is no such thing as survival. (A mother who is breastfeeding her seven year old is in less of a position of being able to survive.)
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Let's not argue about breastfeeding for now. I was just making the point that common sense isn't all that common, BECAUSE we disagree. That's all I'm saying.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not true!
  
  If it were, we'd all agree that breastfeeding a 7 year old is ok, because science says it is.
  
  But do we all agree? No way.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ...added more. Don't we agree more than we disagree, JS?
  Yes we do.
  BTW Common sense is sense which is common in every (typical) person. We all have the sense of right and wrong, sense of justice, sense of morality, sense of love and kindness, sense of self, sense of self awareness, sense of cold, sense of hot, sense of touch, of sight, of hunger. These are all *common* are they not?
  Yes, they are, when talking about the *sense* which is common in every (typical) man.
  
  Every human baby, by the time it is two, has a sense of itself and of its desire for independence. It is a very deep sense of the human soul.
  
  Q.Why do we harp on this?
  A. Because without freedom to guide our wills according to this sense of independence, we humans are miserable.
  We are loving when we are free and hateful and crazy when we are not free. In liberty, we are willing to help out our fellows when they need our help due to a natural sense of compassion. When one is deviated through unhealthful restrictions placed by parents, society or government, love is blocked and anger resides in its place.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I think we agree more than disagree.
  
  I think we are both fighting interior battles, and are on a spiritual path. I'm trying to tell you though, I've been exactly where you are right now. It's the figuring out that the battle is an interior one is where you're headed. Come back in six months or a year, and see if you disagree with me on this. I think you might be surprised.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am learning every time I post. My thoughts are not completely jelled. It is fun to watch them jell and possibly help de-confuse others in the process... as others help to de-confuse me. I learn so much from the process and from everyone's input. Thanks for your advice.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Just a note here, the spiritual path is HARD.
  
  If you are happy with your life, enjoy the world in a general way, then you might not even want to continue on a spiritual path. If so, I suggest just ignore all the conspiracy theories, chakra and astrology stuff, spirituality in general. And just live your life and enjoy it. That's why we're here in the first place, to experience life.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but guess what. Abundance of life also means spiritual life. Where do we get an abundant spiritual life? Here. Love hard and be happy. You are right: Just do it.
  And make sure your government allows it.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "Yeah, but guess what. Abundance of life also means spiritual life. Where do we get an abundant spiritual life? Here. Love hard and be happy. You are right: Just do it. "
  
  You can't really have it both ways. You have to chose. I promise you , if you continue on the spiritual path, it's not a fun or easy ride. Are you ready for it?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  are you?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Am I what?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ...ready for the hard life of spiritual discipline, as you mentioned?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely not. I can barely cope. It can easily cause insanity. There are some wonderful parts, but there are horrors too. It all depends on your karma, and what you have to deal with from your past. You also have to deal with consciousness on new levels, which is hard. If you can make it through in one piece, it might be worth it. But I don't know that, because I'm not there yet.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ...so what is your point in bringing this up in a political discussion? Just trying to derail my point because you are ONE OF THEM! Who is paying you? This is not helping me at all, now.
  Good night. BTW what state do you live in?
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I recommend that you seek professional help.
  
  I'm not trying to be mean to you, but you obviously need psychiatric care. I know, I've been there. Good luck to you, I truly hope the best for you.
  
  Kathryn L Hill wrote:
  
  ...so what is your point in bringing this up in a political discussion? Just trying to derail my point because you are ONE OF THEM! Who is paying you? This is not helping me at all, now.
  Good night. BTW what state do you live in?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry. I was joking and tired. If you know you are not "one of them" (its a joke son) and are just derailing the discussion out of who knows what, there was no need to take it personally.
  Don't know why you branched into spirituality
  ...again.
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wendhel7posted 9 years ago
very crazy, and cool input... At least, the Statue of Liberty pokes out the water! Thank God for that right?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ( Why the question mark??? You are not sure? )
  
  Right!
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janesixposted 9 years ago
I can't talk like this if you keep editing:) It is just too confusing.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago
I win.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You are a competitive one, aren't you...lol
  
  I certainly do enjoy our discussions, even when we disagree on so much.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago
Back to the laws of nature:
God gave man love of independence.
Not dependance on a government.
Ourselves.
End of Story.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  God gave man
  
  Free will (or the appearance of free will)
  Natural instincts
  A sense of right and wrong
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janesixposted 9 years ago
"Common means scientifically and naturally applicable to all people. Laws of nature/ applicable to all people. Maybe it gets down to science!
nature has laws. if we do not follow the laws of nature we will all suffer. "

"What laws are those?
What laws of nature should we follow that we are currently breaking and causing us to suffer?"

I don't know. I don't think science has it all figured out yet.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago
repeating:
"Without freedom to guide our wills according to this sense of independence, we humans are miserable.
We are loving when we are free and hateful and crazy when we are not free.
In liberty, we are willing to help out our fellows when they need our help due to a natural sense of compassion. When one is deviated through unhealthful restrictions placed by parents, society or government, love is blocked and anger resides in its place."
I think the founding fathers would heartily agree with me. I can hear them clapping in the heavens.
So should we all.
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