Is Michael Moore deserving of US citizenship ?

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   No in my opinion !  Yes -our US soldiers fight for everyone's  right to free speech , yes There is a constitutional right to open one's  mouth regardless of one's intelligence ., personal or social  maturity , or  regardless of their actual contributions to our way of life . Michael Moore  is undeserving of  American citizenship ! 
   
   There are some people  who are simply  undeserving of our  freedoms ,  Michael Moore is one of them , and mark my words there ARE more !   How I wish America was more like  Israel ,where everyone must serve a year in the military servitude of their country .  No matter where they serve ,or how they serve ,  they have to do it ! 
   
   I believe he should be deported , do you ?
   

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      Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How many people you know are big on standing for the poor or the little guy?
      
      America was number one in
      the world in many areas 35
      years ago. Today there
      mainly number one in
      military, police,prison and for
      the greedy 1%. You want.to give more to them and less for the poor continiously.

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Freedom of speech prevails, Michael Moore has a right to his opinion. Based on your line of argument, I would say that we rid ourselves of Limbaugh and Trump. do you see where I am going with this?

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         At least your targets  love their country , tell me MM does !

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      rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What not should be in question is his right to speak his mind freely. What should be the topic is the content of his message. Is a sniper a coward? Compared to the days when great armies would stand up in a company front and take aim at each other without seeking cover one might think it is cowardice. But the odds of getting hit by a round balls convoluted rotation was a lot higher then. What should be in question is the willingness of the movie goers to herald the necessity of having a sniper in the first place. To take another's life even though he wishes ill upon you is a tragedy and is ignored instead as a triumph. I don't think Michael Moore's summation of the movie even comes close to America's ridiculous alacrity to harm others.

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      PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He probably preaches against capitalism and for socialism, while he amasses millions of  dollars. He probably has armed personal security while preaching  gun control. He should be given a copy of Man without a Country and live out the rest of his days aboard US Naval Ships.

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         psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         So you would rather keep hundred of mass murderers and get rid of a guy who makes movies.
         
         Seem reasonable.

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         Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         You can not tell me honestly when the U.S. holds 50% of the world's War budget. It's about defence rather than offence on the world.
         
         When people have done nothing wrong and get pulled over on waterways ,highway and big buildings. Would the public feel safe being checked. I would'nt feel safe knowing cops kill
         more people than
         the criminals do
         
         MM talks about guns for last resort for defence. To me your more in danger owning a gun than not having one.

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            PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Realistically or statistically it is probably true that you are in less danger involving firearms if you do not own one. I wonder why Michael Moore owns more firearms and has access to more firearms or has protection with firearms via security, than someone like me that supports the second amendment?

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               PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               It presents a conundrum or paradox of sorts. A Michael Moore Paradox of can Michael Moore be a slave owner and an abolitionist? He seems to be against guns unless they are his or for him to utilize. He seems to be against capitalism but has $ 50,000,000 dollars. Michael Moore is an infinitely better capitalist than me. I would love to have $10,000,000 dollars and give $40,000,000 to charity.  I guess I am not that greedy.

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                  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I wonder what Michael Moore does with all that money? All that 50 million. I wonder if it is in a bank,  in a vault, in a safety deposit box. Or maybe tax free munis. If only we lived in a world where school kids were as safe as Michael Moore's money. If schools took the same precautions as Michael Moore takes, keeping all his money, and people like Michael Moore would willingly choose to stop utilizing so many guns, it would be better world I think.

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      Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      As I said before in another forum thread, I firmly believe that regardless of how anyone here feels about MM personally the reality is he's probably one of the smartest filmmakers ever born.  The reason I say this is because even if he says something controversially perverse to piss others off, people still seem to listen and talk about what he says.  hell, you're doing it right now by starting this thread; which in turn fuels his own political agenda.  Hence indirectly speaking, your making people talk about him and his agendas, which is exactly what he wants.  You see how brilliant he is?
      
      Like you, I personally didn't care too much for what he said in his sniper tweets considering that I grew up in a military family and know a lot of people currently serving in the military.  However, whether you like it or not, he has the right to say what he wants.  You can't stop him, as that's his constitutional right. 
      
      Granted, you don't have to like what he said, or agree with him.  Hell, you can even ignore him if you want, but you can't stop him from saying what he wants, nor can you ban him from the country for having a different point of view from your own.
      
      That in itself would be unconstitutional.   And even if O'Bama or any other future president did honor your request, then wouldn't that set a bad precedent for the United States moving forward?   It would be too similar to what almost happened with Sony's "The Interview", where if Sony did decide to cave in to terrorist threats, then it would've set a bad precedent against our free speech rights moving forward.  The same thing if the government did deport MM.  Sure you can say he deserves it all you want, but I don't think we should start to set a bad precedent where people can easily get deported if they say anything the government wouldn't like.

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      oceansnsunsetsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No, I don't think he should be deported, but I think he makes a great example through irony, of just how great  the USA is.  The freedoms secured through the means they were, are for all, even those that would abuse it. I think people can see through his charade.  The ones I worry about are those that don't really test his ideas, and may just adopt them.  This hurts our society as those ripple effects go out, and yes we can be all the more vulnerable.  Thing is though, we still have what some countries don't, free speech.  Se we get to talk about it, and how utterly ridiculous the chosen actions are. 
      
      I think, or I hope, that people see right through it.

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   Thief12posted 8 years ago

   Your own first paragraph contradicts your own statement. Basic US constitution guarantees Moore and anybody the right to think and say whatever they want. What kind of a country would the US be if it only granted citizenship to those that thought the same way?

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There's my point , there are those who are simply  too corrosive in their  hatred ,of the US ,  from within !  MM is one of those who's  abuses of hatred for country is just too  "out there " to be considered  free speech , he makes no apology  for his off the wall documentaries .  In my opinion  MM hates the country that provides him with  his hypocritical leftist  profiteering  . He hates those who profit  in corporate America yet makes his own wealth by his  broadcasting  and hatred for   America .

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         Thief12posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think he hates the US, but rather the way that government does things. But that's irrelevant anyway. Regardless of whether we agree with his views or not, he has the right to think and say whatever he wants, and so does everybody. If we were to nitpick who can say what, then that would be against free speech. You think he's corrosive, other people follow him, and others just don't care or don't pay attention to him. To a lot of people, that's the beauty of democracy.

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            IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Agree. In fact, he has the right to hate the country. LOL

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               Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I don't recall MM talking about hating America. Only some people assuming MM hates America.
               
               MM shooting off his mouth is not the same as shooting off guns to kill people.

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                  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually , you're wrong it does mean that he gets people killed . Its called treason  when you support the enemy from within this country !  By fueling the anti- war mentality , he lends support to the enemy ! He should be in jail !

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                     Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm anti anything it just when super elitist and military have too much power, it's impossiable for Goverments to change things. It will be treason when do soon.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Dam 
                        Cell phones. I meant to write not anti anything.

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                     IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL

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         Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         MM is a capitalist, nothing wrong in making lots of money. One thing I would like MM to change is the word uses from capitalist to corporatism.
         
         For many faceless corporations destroy many people's lives and the natural enviroment

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   MM,  Is secretly angry because he was omitted  from military service for being Flat Footed  and lacking of moral character !

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      Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      By ethics globally we know murder and stealing is wrong.
      
      By military or religious morals they give out liences
      to kill and steal other cultures or other groups way of
      thinking differently from our leaders way of thinking.

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   John Holdenposted 8 years ago

   You know what you end up with with a country that banishes its political opponents don't you?

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well John , you are correct .    Yet I say keep his message  , and throw him out ! Keep the lesson that there are and probably always will be cowardly haters of patriots, those who disrespect the blanket of freedom that they hide beneath .  I can only hope that one day a patriot will arise from his aborted gene pool  once again ,  as was more than likely once there  ! .

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         Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Why do hard core U.S. patriots blame others for being haters and cowards than any other group I know?

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         PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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   psycheskinnerposted 8 years ago

   The idea of deporting someone born American to American parents is ridiculous on its face. Deporting him to where?

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      Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Many people in Canada like MM and he likes Canada. Yet, I think MM would do more good in the U.S.

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         psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         You might be surprised who ends up in the US under that principle.

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   innersmiffposted 8 years ago

   Citizenship is a problematic concept at the best of times. If you mean, should he be forcefully ejected from his own property and prevented from associating with anyone else within a given geographical area for stating an opinion you disagree with, no. It would be a violation of his person and property so would be unjustified, per se

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Unfortunately in my mind  MM     Is an angry ex- Catholic  who rejects  authority  ,   his ego  outshines his intelligence , yes his opines are entertaining but  much like Bill OReilly  on Fox news or Donald Trump ,he is simply a rant filled bag of mass- ego ,    People like these are entertaining but  as they go on , its not long before they come clean in the fact that their ego is far more important than their message .  Have you noticed they never actually listen to anyone else , Like Bill O , they simply talk louder .
   
   There is however , a point that free speech becomes simply" lose lips" ,  and begin to actually feed enough of the enemy's cause that one has to wonder , who's  side is he on !  One can be anti-war and perhaps work to  end  all wars . without  tearing down  the very castle that is his homeland .?

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      Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Moore thinks Guns sometimes work, where I can’t imagine ever using a gun and feel a lot safer without. Moore makes mistake like all humans, like using the word capitalism instead of using words like greedy corporate elites behavior who harm.
      
      Not putting US down, for they are no better or worse than me or anyone else. Yet there is an illness in a America downside of their empire collapsing.  Brittan was the world champion of invading countries in pass history.  Today US is the new world champion by invaded a total of about 50 countries since1945 a rate faster than any other country before them.
      
      Outside of America
      US is a fearful country considering that, unlike most nations, they never been fully invaded “people all over the world view the United States as an arrogant bully, reserving for itself the right to rain down death from above on anyone it pleases whenever it pleases, The United states would rather invade then be invaded. US is 'world's leading terrorist state where men in power to use violence around the world to further their so-called American (corporate) ‘interests.

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