Colorado Planned Parenthood - Plenty of Blame to Go Around

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   Valeantposted 9 years ago

   How much blame should be assigned to conservative news media and certain GOP Presidential Candidates for the angry (and often incorrect) rhetoric they spewed about Planned Parenthood?

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      Credence2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      My point exactly, Bernie Sanders summed it up accurately when he said that the fearsome rhetoric uttered by conservatives and the GOP during the Planned Parenthood witchhunt last summer certainly does not help. So loosely speaking, the GOP is an accomplice to this terrible tragedy.
      
      Are you not surprised, look at the nonsense coming from Ted Cruz or otherwise note the deafening silence from the right side of the political spectrum regarding the shootings?

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         Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Well, they did address it a little today, but everyone tried to deflect blame.  I felt like we got the Republican version of the Benghazi fault.  Deny, deflect, misconstrue.

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            Credence2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Am I taking an unfair characterization of conservatives based on the activity of one man? I might say that if this were an isolated case, but it is not.
            
            Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics have been attacked for several years around the country. This is not new, so everybody can stopped acting as if they are surprised
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            These so called deranged killers did have a common thread, a hatred of abortion and abortion providers. The hypocrisy of conservatives in painting women and children among Syrians refugees as 'dangerous terrorists' without giving any the opportunity of vetting, while I am supposed to look the otherway when this sort of domestic terrorism ALWAYS has the same label plastered upon it, is insane.
            
            Benghazi and the Planned Parenthood debacle were resolved with no evidence of wrong doing by either former Secy, Clinton or Planned Parenthood.
            
            I never see the Left go radical to point that it kills people that is in direct conflict with its ideology stance, not for 50 years or so. How long does it take the Righties to get civilized? So, instead of dancing around it, lets put the onus where it properly belongs, individuals driven by a reactionary ideology that expresses itself in crime and violence. I will take my chances with Syrians over any crazed domestic type Rightwinger. I just have to look at the body count.

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               Credence2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Perhaps, I should step back a  bit.
               
               I get frustrated when the people who want to always stereotype and apply blanket biases, ie.( Mexicans, Islam) toward those not on their popularity list,  always seem to want for themselves and their own the dignity of being evaluated and judged  as individuals.
               
               Sometimes it is hard for me to conceal my outright loathing for the Right and its philosophies. But,I step back time to time, in acknowledgement of my need to keep all of this in proper perspective. Now is such a time

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      Don Wposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Finally! Acceptance that not all Muslims are to blame for the actions of extremists. Oh wait...wrong thread. My apologies.

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         Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, we're blaming conservatives in this one.  C'mon, get your blame-game on point man!  ;>

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   ahorsebackposted 9 years ago

   Please , I just knew this would come along in due time , Just how predictable it is that the blame for an illegal act of murder  is to be blamed on the right's ideology  !         
   
   Question  , If a murderer  commits the crime on  Fox News property  is that then to be the blame of left ideology ?   How moronic to place the blame of a nut committing a heinous  crime on the morality ethics and  ideals of politics .
   
   One man - one blame ...........Well ,at least you didn't place the blame for the crime on the gun itself . I wonder if the left is evolving .

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      Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Really?  You don't think the constant stream of anger directed at Planned Parenthood by Fox News and certain Presidential candidates stirred the pot?

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Do you think the constant stream of dead babies has stirred the pot?
         
         Idiots that take their ideology to extremes like this are to blame for their actions, not someone else.

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            Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            So angry rhetoric doesn't lead to violence?
            
            https://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/muslim … s-to-stop/

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               wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Only if the listeners are insane enough to resort to violence as a result of words.  The onus of behavior remains on them, not the speaker.
               
               Not to say that the speaker is blameless of trying to incite violence - they are not - but the blame lies on the one performing the action.  Something we seem to have forgotten in the last few decades; the we, and we alone, are responsible for our actions.  No one else.

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                  Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sure there are plenty of sane people that resort to violence all the time.  Take muggers for example.  It's a means to an end, that end being the accumulation of more wealth.
                  
                  That's where I disagree that this shooter was insane.  That might just be the only avenue they he could see to his end game, which was to put an end to abortion.

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                     Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     I went a step further...
                     
                     http://hubpages.com/politics/Shared-Lia … Candidates

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                     wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     With the built in premise that the end justifies the means, and that the desired end is the only "correct" one regardless of what others might think. 
                     
                     An egomaniac, then, and a fair definition of one form of insanity.

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                        Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        If we're defining egomaniacs as insane, we sure we want Trump as the leader of the free world?

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                           wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Don't know as I've seen where his decisions are enforced at the end of a gun.  Yet.

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   Bringing up the political values and religion of a muderous conservative white guy = BAD! MAKES NO SENSE! DON'T BE STUPID! ONE GUY DOES NOT REPRESENT THE WHOLE!
   
   Bringing up the political values and religion of a muderous Muslim guy = MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS! KEEP THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

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      Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.  Your e-tone is confusing.

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         Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Sigh.
         
         The use of "rabble rabble rabble" is usually a pretty dead giveaway that someone is being facetious.
         
         Straight to the point:  Christian conservatives are the first to turn on Muslims when a Muslim dude does something wrong but the second it's one of "their own" they're pretty quick to yell about how the guy is just crazy and doesn't represent their beliefs in any way.  It's hilarious, really.

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            Valeantposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Had a feeling that's where you were taking that.  And I concur.

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   ahorsebackposted 9 years ago

   As in the loathing of  right to left , good or bad ,  I just looked at a few sights  on the net  seeking specifically  , what a seventeen week old fetus looks like ,  I also looked at statistics of just who's getting abortions and why ,  break that all down and look at the politically based   division in personal choices and  religious  beliefs  and it all becomes  very grey area .
   
   Wile the nation is pretty evenly divided as to the morality  of abortions , it's no wonder a nut or two comes lose when something like this tragedy happens .     Do you lame the right ? yes .  Does the right blame the liberal choice , yes .
   
   Then who's fault is it when a senseless such as this  act occurs , How about this one   for an answer - The perpetrator of the crime  -- as always !    Once more though  ,  the good old double standards of  media based rhetoric has to place blame on the someone   though.    .I advise everyone to look at the facts  ,  statistics and  reality of why there are abortions to begin with , its eye opening to say the least .

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