Cruz Cartoon anyone?

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   LauraD093posted 7 years ago

   Just wanted to see how those of you within this category feel about the uproar about the Cruz cartoon. Isn't political satire allowed anymore in our "Politically Correct" society ? He made himself a target by bringing his children into his campaign by featuring them in a promotion done with  satiric flavor. So why censor a Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist for doing her job? Ok- it wasn't in good taste but it was a cartoon! Even if wrong apparently the Washington Post editor thought it was alright to release initially.The Post pulling it after Cruz and social media blew-up about it is ridiculous! Charlie Hebdo writers-editors and cartoonists died for the right to to print political satire and politically incorrect articles. Censorship always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. His children will be scarred from it? Rubbish!  Since when are children exposed to political cartoons let alone understand them? Just was curious about varied opinions within this particular community as I have read numerous well written comments on topical events. I would also like to wish all my fellow politicos a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! (oops not P.C. to say Merry Christmas anymore either...sigh.

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'd have to say that even though Cruz showed exceptionally poor judgement in creating the ad that is no excuse for allowing children to be targeted in a political cartoon. Sorry.

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      mio cidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am no fan of Cruz or the GOP ,but let's be honest here ,if it was a cartoon of Obama's daughters,or Chelsea Clinton when she was little we ' d be yelling bloody murder.And I support Obama and Clinton 100 percent.

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   
   
   Children should be kept out of political cartoons.  There has to be a line drawn somewhere.  We are suppose to protect children...and that artist stepped over the line and knows it.  (its a cute cartoon, but...)  I saw the campaign video that Senator Cruz had made with his wife and cute little daughters and thought it was funny, cute, very creative, child appropriate...and truthful.  It might be offensive to people looking to be offended.
   
   I'm reminded of the Islamic jihad attack on the Curtis Culwell Center this year during a Mohammad cartoon art contest exhibition where the winner won $10,000.  It seems Muslims will open fire with intent to kill if artists depict such cartoons and display them right here in the USA.  Art is a form of expression but how much liberty should one take?   I saw nothing wrong with the depictions I have seen.

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Nice concept, so lets apply it to the Obama family. The President's daughters should not be castigated as part of the political warfare, done by conservatives not to long ago.

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I will say that I did not see the ad. I do not think it is appropriate to brain wash our kids. Which, although the ad was supposed to be humorous (I assume) if he is speaking like that to children.....brainwashing is what he is doing.
      
      You may see it as the truth and Ted Cruz may see it as the truth but without being allowed to make up their own minds the kids aren't given the opportunity to come to their own conclusions, when they are old enough.

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      GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hello Colorfulone, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
      
      This quote;
      "... I saw the campaign video that Senator Cruz had made with his wife and cute little daughters and thought it was funny, cute, very creative, child appropriate...and truthful."
      
      ... prompted a thought about different perceptions of "child appropriate...and truthful."
      
      I saw a portrayal of "The Grinch That Lost Her Emails" that was far from truthful and child appropriate. And the cue to have the girls smile and laugh at the story book... hmm...
      
      I believe Cruz put his family into play with the campaign ad. I see the Post cartoon as sharp and well done, given that Cruz put them out on the porch first. But now he wants to cry foul and leverage the PR effect.
      
      Your inclusion of the family Christmas card photo as the lead-in can easily appear to be intentionally misleading. That image had nothing to do with the controversy, but its use can only be seen as an attempt to frame your portrayal as the correct one.
      
      Doncha think this would have been more accurate to the discussion?
      
      
      
      *Image source: The Daily Mail
      
      GA

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         colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         OP -  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! (oops not P.C. to say Merry Christmas anymore either...sigh.
         
         In keeping with the Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I posted that Christmas family photo.  What's wrong with that?  This is about Ted Cruz's family. 
         
         I didn't post a photo of a Mohammad depiction either.  However, more important than campaign ads and cartoons to me is...a jihad attack happened on American soil over depictions of Mohammad...was my point.  Where's the up-roar? --  Nice photo by the way GA! Ty
         
         Live to Learn,  teaching children the truth is not brainwashing.  Teaching children that Santa is real is.
         
         Cred, I have not seen cartoons of the first daughters.  They are children and that should not happen. As I stated children need to be protected, not exploited...wrong is wrong.  We agree?

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            Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Well, since not everyone agrees with you that this is the truth, it means that thinking adults come to different conclusions. Not allowing children to grow up and come to their own conclusions is brainwashing.

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               colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               My parents taught me many things they believed to be truths. They didn't just let me grow up to form my own conclusions about everything.  My parents did not brainwash their children, they taught us.  That is a responsibility of good parenting.  I'm sorry if we don't agree...but I stand firm.   
               
               Brainwashing - make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.  ---  (Sounds like Jihadi Islam to me)

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                  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  My parents actively attempted to allow me to come to my own conclusions on everything except moral issues such as lying, cheating, stealing...etc. Which is how I raised my children also.
                  
                  Truths. There is the problem. I think many use the word truth too freely when attempting to pass an opinion off as authoritative.

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                     colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I respect what you "think".  No condemnation.   
                     
                     Einstein wrote about the universal force ... is love.  God is love and love is God.  As long as our parents loved us the best they could / can ... they did good.  ~  Merry Christmas! 
                     
                     "You shall know the Truth and Truth shall set you free." 
                     
                     I know that's really an over simplification, forgive me.
                     
                     Yes I believe, parents need to teach children the basics of do unto others as we want them to do unto you.  Everyone is different and unique in their own way. And, through our life's journey and our experiences we gain knowledge and understand.

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                        Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Merry Christmas to you too. I agree. If parents teach children the basics they should have faith in the conclusions they will come to as adults.None of us are perfect, so attempting to raise children who think just like us ensures our mistakes will be made again, and again. I respected my parents, although we didn't always see eye to eye on many issues. Religion, politics, etc. I feel like they felt the same way and saw lively discussions on these topics at family gatherings later as proof that they had accomplished what they set out to do. Raise individuals who thought for themselves and stood true to their own beliefs without the need for validation from others.
                        
                        Which is why I shake my head at what Cruz appeared to be doing. Attempting to indoctrinate his children into his personal beliefs.

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                           colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Indoctrinate is a very strong word to use for families.  I don't live with Ted Cruz, so I can't judge him on his or his wife's parenting, or anyone else's parenting who are in politics.  I have no experience there, but I can see patterns through out history.   
                           
                           I wonder what parents who are in the White House teach their kids.  Do you think they are indoctrinated too?  Or, any other political figures.  I don't assume they never talk about political issues especially during election years. Politics usually runs in families that are in politics but not so in families that are not in politics. 
                           
                           Politicians are a different breed from you and me.  We can't live with them and we can't live without them...wink, wink! 
                           
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                           "Not much ticks me off, but making fun of my girls – that’ll do it.  And listen, all of us learned in kindergarten: Don’t hit little girls. It’s not complicated, don’t make fun of a five-year-old girl and a seven-year-old girl. Listen, everyone expects the mainstream media to be liberally biased. Folks want to attack me, knock yourself out. That’s part of the process. I signed up for that. That’s fine. But my girls didn’t sign up for that.” - Ted Cruz

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                              Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Again, I don't think that anyone should use images of children in a derogatory manner in political cartoons.
                              
                              Again, I think it was wrong of the cartoonist to include them.
                              
                              However, even though there appears to be no way around the fact that families will use everything they perceive as assets in attempting to garner support in an election I do wish they wouldn't manipulate their own small children in the process. When they do they open themselves up to reactions they may not like. The political cartoon was in poor taste, but spot on. I am surprised that a constituency which cheers Donald Trump on would find the cartoon in poor taste. Poor taste appears to be the style du jour in the current Republican party.

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            Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Agree, with you on this, but I also agree with L to L's point that, outside of basic immutable ethical values necessary to keep them safe and successful as adults, children need to be encouraged to think for themselves and not be subject to indoctrination.
            
            Independent thinkers always have an advantage in the game of life.

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               colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Of course children need to learning to think for themselves. I wasn't saying otherwise.  Everyone is an individual and unique in there own ways...that includes thinking...unless they have been "subject to indoctrination" or brainwashing.  Yeah!   
               
               Ted Cruz said, “Don’t mess with our kids. Don’t mess with my kids. Don’t mess with Marco’s kids. Don’t mess with Hillary’s kid. Don’t mess with anybody’s kids. Leave kids alone. And if the media wants to attack and ridicule every Republican, well that’s what they’re gonna do. But leave our kids alone.”
               
               Washington Post only helped Cruz's ratings. ~  Back fire!   
               Gotta love it when mean tactics lose, and love prevails.

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                  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I believe my first statement was that the cartoon was in poor taste. That does not change the fact that Ted Cruz's behavior was deplorable and his parenting skills appear to be questionable.

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            GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            But, but, but Linda... The topic wasn't about the Cruz family Christmas, or the Cruz family as an honest All-American family being unfairly attacked. The point was about your view that the Cruz campaign ad portrayed an innocent family Christmas Eve tradition, and it was being unfairly attacked.
            
            My observation was different. I think it was purely political. Do you consider mixing politics....
            
            ahem...
            
            
            
            
            with the family tradition of reading The Night Before Christmas with the little ones on Christmas Eve as a good thing?
            
            I don't. That was a purely political message, and Cruz used his kids. That is why I think Cruz has no standing in his protests.
            
            You seemed to be discussing the same topic in the post I responded to, which is why I noted that your use of a family Christmas card image could be seen as purposefully misleading. But now that you explain it had nothing to do with the topic, that it was just in the spirit of Christmas - then I must consider the possibility that I was wrong.
            
            As for the jihad stuff, I had to slide past that. I try to hang on to one topic at a time, and since I don't see any relevance to the topic there - I didn't want to unnecessarily to tax myself.
            
            GA

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               colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Howdy, GA...have you ever wondered why you come into the HubPages forums?  I have been thinking about it today why I do.  I could be using that energy to clean my own back porch and get a little further ahead with goals...winning.   I come into forums hoping to connect with people in some way. Have you noticed that some people can only see through as far as their own perceptions allow? ... They cannot really hear? ... Or, realize no man is an island?  I confuse that I feel like I am wasting too much time where I could be spending energy cleaning the sauna...that will give me a sense of accomplishment and produce better results mentally and physically.  A win win! ... better then a lose lose...even a lose win would be better then a lose lose. 
               
               Have a nice life! 
               I'm tired.

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                  GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I participate because I enjoy grounded conversations. Sometimes it takes a while to find or reach a point where our interactions  can find common ground to start from, sometimes that point is never reached because there is no common foundation, (even if that foundation is just honest understanding of the point of being discussed). That usually indicates that the intention was to make a declaration, not discuss a topic.
                  
                  Responses such as my exchanges here are hopeful that common ground can be found for that discussion.
                  
                  ps. That back porch shouldn't take too long, hopefully I will see ya back in a bit.
                  
                  GA

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   LauraD093posted 7 years ago

   Merry Christmas all-just want to thank all of you fro your insightful comments-I hope all here have a great New Year.
   
   On a more serious note-It is hard to support or feel sympathy for a man that supports carpet bombing-which in all probability will kill many children-I agree that children should be kept out of politics in all aspects-but it is a reality. The cartoon was distasteful and she did push the envelop but in the larger scheme how important is it? If things proceed (as I pray they won't )both Muslims and Americans will be burying their children in 2016.

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Merry Christmas! 
      
      There are US B1, B2, and B5 military jets (and more) that are carpet bombing ISIS right now in the Middle East.  I don't see a difference if the present administration does that .... or the next administration.  The election year propaganda (brainwashing) out of the WH and on liberal mainstream media isn't reporting the truth and is swaying minds with what they want people to think...it seems to be working well.
      
      Russian jets are carpet bombing in Syria.
      France is carpet bombing ISIS
      Britain, is bombing ISIS.
      Australia, etc.   
      
      There is a war against ISIS, carpet bombing, (boots on the ground) but that doesn't seem to be public knowledge.  (its ridiculous)   We need a war-time president who will carpet bomb the heck out of ISIS...and Ted Cruz said he will do that.  Obama's war tactics have not been working.  He said ISIS was contained ...then Paris!   There hopefully is a difference in what Ted said he will do compared to what IS going on NOW...because he may have a war strategy that will defeat ISIS. 
      
      Obama doesn't listen to the Generals' and Admirals' advice.  If they do not go along with his failed foreign policies they are forced to retire from duty.  Many of them write a book!  You don't hear that on the TV fake-news.   
      
      A man who will stand-up publicly and say to leave the children out of the campaign attacks and defends every candidates children WILL in my honest opinion defend children in the Middle East.  Its as simple as that.

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         LauraD093posted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Merry Christmas to you as well-
         
         I concede to your argument that you are right about the coalition already bombing but we as Americans have always tried to keep the collateral damage at a minimum since Vietnam. (we have failed I know) I am not blind to the fact that rather then have it "here" it is better to contain it "there."  The ISIS terrorists hide among their own people but I can still abhor children dying under any circumstances. Would we approve of carpet bombing on our own soil if multiple terrorist cells were found grouped together in one particular area?
         Both parties are screwed up-I mean really our Democratic president approved a deal with Iran-a move that will go down in history as one of the most stupid decisions made by a President. I haven't been party affiliated since my 30's because I like to carefully explore the voting histories etc. of candidates (which in the GOP is impossible now with all those currently running.) I read Dr.Carson's book America the Beautiful just to get an inkling of his political beliefs and Trump? I'm pretty clear on his ideology who hasn't been subjected to his media-blitz since the Circus has began. Clinton like Trump is also an open book and  policy-wise will probably just be Obama with a vagina. What's a poor Independent to do this year lol---Have a Happy New Year-look forward to debating with you in 2016!

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Laura,
            
            I am glad your on top of things. Glad you posted this ... I like the sounds of it, I'll be looking forward to chatting with you in the forums.
            
            Out of respect for you...was it alright to post the Cruz Family Christmas photo on your thread? 
            
            

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               LauraD093posted 7 years agoin reply to this

               It's fine-I am here to participate in discussion-not to censor-as long as everyone "plays" fair I don't care who hangs out and I'll welcome graffiti!

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