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Why do people bother paying attention to politics?

  1. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
    Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago

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    I've noticed that every politician lies, with very few exceptions. Why do we continue to legitimize the bullshit by voting and paying attention to it for years at a time? Basically, why don't we just solve issues through our own choices, rather than looking to some bribed goof for leadership

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Good many kids today, can see that more clearly today. I only think Government should work only on the small stuff, not the running of our lives and putting us into unpayable debt stuff.

      1. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
        Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        True, thanks

    2. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Of course they lie. Elections are a manipulation and not directed towards solutions. The solutions have already been met with the way the system is set. The politicians have been fine tuning the system for centuries. Do we think one election will change all of it or any of it when the political machine runs the system? How many times have you heard a campaign manager say "we have got to get the message out there so people can make a choice"? There is no choice as the message will change to gain your support. I know a local ex-commissioner here and he told me the manipulation factor is the key directive of any campaign. He said and did many uncomfortable things as directed by his campaign manager. The manager said that once the campaign is done and you are elected you can do what you want. If you want to be re-elected and an issue arises about a past wrong a spin can easily be put into play. As long as we let the two party system prosper we will see no significant change.

  2. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

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    Stefan Molyneux Why I Support Donald Trump
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9go5M0LzKY

    1. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
      Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      I find it more confusing that Stefan supports trump, when he's a voluntarist. It's like taking the minarchy position, to get closer to libertarianism.  Why not just drop it all, we don't have the time to wait for government to lose its own weight. Government is there to increase its own power. I don't see how Stefan doesn't make the connection, all politicians are liars, and he may think trump will help, he's only the lesser of two evils. I can't see how people legitimize the system by paying attention like that

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        I'm in favor of minarchism being a Libertarian myself. And, I love that Trump has volunteered his time in office and won't be taking a presidential salary.  He has skin in the game as well by self-funding a large part of his own campaign.

        "Government is there to increase its own power." 
        The way its been run for many years, that is absolutely true. Its a rigged system. I would be fine if we didn't have a president at all.  I remember Trump saying in a speech, the way he would decrease the government is when someone retires...to not replace them.  Letting the gov shrink naturally is fair.   Of course there are positions that must be filled again with the way it is.

        Trump has been a businessman all his life, now he is a politician, but still a private citizen until he takes office. He does make politics interesting and fun! 

        "I don't see..."
        "I can't see..."

        Keep on listening to Stefan, maybe he can help you see. wink

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          Most anarchist I know would say :I would not vote for either president candidate because I believe in no Government. Or anarchist would say :I would not vote , yet of the lesser of the two evils, Trump would be better.

          Most part l like Stefan Molyneax , him being an anarchist, don't understand his strong support for Trump.

          1. colorfulone profile image89
            colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            When I started listening to Stefan more. I realized he does believe Trump is an anarchist at heart, and so do many others.  Trump took on the establishment for people who were anger, hurting and not being heard.  In that way both Trump & Sanders were able to connect with the American people, who needed a voice)  and became leaders of revolutions that took on an energy and a life of their own.  Because, they were being honest, saying what they really believed, and people saw that...whether or not people agreed with everything they said, they offered hope for a change.   Trump said, I'm not going to call it (the revolution) a phenomena unless I win, but I have never heard him call his win a phenomena which it is.  All odds were against Trump from the establishment, to corporate media, and large Clinton donors that funded a very dirty campaign against the Sanders, and Trump especially. 

            This form of anarchy is happening all over the world, people do not want the NWO of government running everything.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              I would say Michael Moore or Ron Paul lives life like an anarchist . Stefan is a philosopher, I could debate if he is an anarchist, he agree with some anarchist principals .

              Trump can give an illusion he is an anarchist , but he is a hopeless megalomaniac that sold his soul to NWO showing presidency is of Corporatism and should be abolished. You will clearly find out soon enough, like how most got fooled by Obama.

              Stefan supporting Trump a lot, show me he is not a true anarchist.

              1. colorfulone profile image89
                colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                Before you state things, you really should check things out better.  Example:  Michael Moore says that Trump is very much an anarchist at heart.  Now, I don't believe everything Moore has to say, but he got that right.  I think he is in denial of a lot of things, because he doesn't have the grid.

                I love Ron Paul!

                1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  Michael Moore is sometimes overly objective and over focused. He can make big mistakes like anyone for instance the difference between Capitalism and Corporatism. Regardless I study behavior and Moore is the Champion of the little guy, Trump is not and Moore really dose not like Trump.


                  If Moore think Trump is anarchist by heart, Trump just sold his soul and heart to NWO, if not, you know what happened to Kennedy. 

                  Same with Allex Jones he know what conspiracy theories he is a part of or his 34 Jewish sponsor would pull out. I Wonder what would Allex think of Trump was hiring Monsanto leading the US food and drug adminstration. I'm sure it's Ok if it is Trump decision.

        2. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
          Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          Colorfulone, I listen to Stef everyday. Thats why it doesnt make sense that he would support trump, because it seems to go against his principles. If you've read his book on anarchism you will see what I mean.

          1. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
            Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            It's just very difficult for me to see how a president could be going against government. It's not normal, but I'll give him a chance and see what happens.

          2. colorfulone profile image89
            colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            Sam, I'm dialed in on some of Stefan's YouTube videos on anarchy and will listen.  Trump isn't your normal kind of anarchist, as he has been about a peaceful take over.  I believe many omit the God factor.

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    eslamkooposted 9 months ago
  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago

    Anarchy, it seems, equals freedom and self-rule. But without a Constitution to help us, anarchy is a matter of I do what ever I darn well please.
    Justice consists in giving a man what is his due.
    What is his due?
    What is he owed?
    He is owed this: not being mistreated.
    No one deserves to be mistreated in any way.
    But, if I do whatever I want without considering its effects on others, I could mistreat them.
    Are we all that empathetic and aware that we would never mistreat anyone if we lived in total freedom?
    In the end, The Golden Rule, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not (naturally) practiced by all ...
    at all.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago

    <Basically, why don't we just solve issues through our own choices, rather than looking to some bribed goof for leadership.>

    Donald Trump is not a bribed goof. Through state rights we do make our own choices. Without the states we would not be protected from the FED. (Safeguards of The Constitution.)
    But the Feds have taken more power than they should have at this point in time.

    Read the history here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      I'm with kid on this, Trump said he is running for President. Since half the people did not vote, most people thought Trump was running as a joke. It is not funny anymore.

      The whole US Government works on a bribary system. The world is already runned on a NWO system called the Rothschild's centro banking and US Milliary Complex. It is a matter of the odd Countries and many pocket community that refuse to be it's servant , slaves and minion to the NWO. NWO can not sustain itself for very much longer because the vast majority of people feel something is seriously wrong with 85 persons or Corporatism that own most wealth and controlling just about everything is a sick system.

      Everything must change, just like every empire before it must change. Every empire area in Worlds history must change. People change things more positive, while Governments and Corporatism do not. They kill everything and steal your freedom away is their main purpose.

      Everyone is an anarchist as everyone is an individual and environment organisms first. Time and time again history shows empire abuse us too much so, then the people change themselves. This next third world war is a second wave of depression, then slowly turned into a higher energy level of a spiritual age.

      It just the NWO dose not like the green community I build, they make green illegal.

      NWO dose not like cannabis plant that makes 5o,ooo products including fuel and oil, so they make it illegal.

      NWO dose not like if you love your work, that means your are smarter than them and not in their complete control.

      NWO dose not want you ever to be able pay your debt. In order to steal from your bank account, your health care, your pension and steal your soul bit by bit.

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        I think it was in 2006 when the World Bank - IMF documents were leaked. 

        That is what Trump has been going up against and trying to stop, the Rothschild, etc.  You can maybe understand then why its been such a battle all the way, from him being made to look like a joke by the corporate run media and all the freaking globalists who oppose him.  They did not donate large sums of money to his campaign, none, but they did to Clinton...who secretly told Wall Street she dreamed of "hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders", which was also leaked.   

        The USA is a multi-national corporate run government. 
        "Americanism not Globalism is Our Credo" - Trump

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          Trump can been an big time insider since 1987 in casino stock with Rockefellers. He has been running many criminal businesses most of his life. He only now acts like outsider towards the establishment for popularity votes he sells what ever the public wants then changes it like other politician do.. The Rothschild and and Rockefeller started out high profile celebrity too like Bill Gates and Donale Trump today. Until they became trillionairs now then Trump and Gates became their boys.

    2. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
      Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      We could easily do anarchy if people parented properly, and our education system wasn't dumbing us down. And Castlepaloma you know your way around this stuff. And Kathryn you're wrong about the constitution having safeguards. Those have been ignored for a very long time, you don't have rights, you have privileges that can be taken away instantly by the fed at their slightest whim

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    chetsbhajanposted 9 months ago

    Its bothring sub coz citizens shuld bothr its der ryt... it cnt b solvd by 1 or 2

  7. Justin Earick profile image82
    Justin Earickposted 9 months ago

    Because the people in power determine whether our air and water is poisoned and whether our kids can get an education.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      They choice to pollute more and more and spent 10 times more on military intelligence than on Education.

    2. Sam Wickstrom profile image92
      Sam Wickstromposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      No Justin, we determine that. That's the fundamental problem, people just doing their jobs and differing all responsibility to the government, when they should be governing themselves.
      _
      “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
      - and very true Castle, but thats us again, spending all of our money on military, sending our men and women overseas

  8. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

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    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      What is that called, hit on the head lessons.?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
        Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        "Oh my Gosh, I give Up!"

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I win then, Trump is a criminal.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            You don't want to guess there is a God but you want to guess that Trump is a Devil.
            I do not concur.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago

    I perceive pure bulllying, Castlepaloma. Stop it already.
    I know you are White and can't help it, all the while you preach peace. Lol!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Trump has a very dark pass, plus when Trump becomes a President, then they give him a license to steal and kill. That dose not fool me,  political + athorities have killed and stolen more from people than any other group in human history.  They will be always be the largest criminal organization in the world, in my books.

      Yes, I am white the last century whites hierarchy race have been the most desructive group on earth. Than I see Trump come along to lead the NWO and feel the natural environment and human race just took two steps back.

      Some say, Trump maybe America's last President. Leave the devil out of this, the devil believes in God , and he has a chance of being saved.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
        Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        You don't even live here so stop your bullying.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          How do you bully a bully. Like Jesus I always protect the underdogs and earthlings and Trump is actual opposite. Never seen a bigger bully on TV in my life, call me a bully bigot because I really don't like bullies who are masterful at downing other people just for their own gain. Then Trump presents the most total discriminate unexplain policies that deliveratly harm most cultures and earthlings. 

          There is no Supreme court to protect all earthling and natural environment. If there was because it is the greatest threat to mankind. Then they appointed me as head Supreme Judge. My very first business of order would put Donald Trump under top investigation for crimes against humanity and future attempts against humanity.

          Trump would be world Public enemy number 1 in my books, out of love for all living earthlings. Just a fantasy thought, back to the real world building eco village communitys that would ban Trump like many countries already have.

 
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