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Where do Green Card holders go for help?

  1. ptosis profile image75
    ptosisposted 11 months ago

    IDK, but seems a slippery slope of being able to build concentration camps again like in WW2 Japanese  who were natural born citizens to be penned up on American soil.  Who's next? What going to happen next?  If the Next EO affects your ability to live/work in USA is taken away?


    Green card holders are not citizens —  But they are as close as one can get without being one. Permanent residents are expected to live in America by default, and are in fact penalized if they don’t.

    They effectively enjoy all the liberties that natural born Americans enjoy  - until Trump's EO .

    Under current law, green card holders are treated as “U.S. persons”  - until Trump's EO

    Green card holders in mid-flight during the stroke of pen EO are detained in airports and to be deported:

    http://www.shepherdstownchronicle.com/p … p;nav=5133
    U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly in New York issued the emergency order temporarily barring the U.S. from deporting people from nations subject to President Donald Trump's travel ban, saying travelers who had been detained had a strong argument that their legal rights had been violated.

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    1) Congressional action. Congress can pass legislation to revoke the order, revoke the President’s authorities to carry out such an order, and/or block funding for the implementation of the order. NIAC Action is organizing NOW to convince lawmakers to take on such an approach.

    2) Legal action. We are currently evaluating a lawsuit to reverse this Executive Order, including working in-house and with legal experts in private practice and at other civil rights organizations to pursue the most effective legal path forward.

    3) Public pressure. We must mobilize our membership and beyond, make sure our message is in the media, and that the impact of this action is understood by the broader American public broadly. This may not be sufficient to convince Donald Trump, but these actions will be critical in channeling public opinion and bolstering all of our efforts.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/notable-res … mmigration
    Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, tweeted a letter he sent to John Kelly, the head of the Department of Homeland Security. In the letter, Representative Schiff criticized the discriminatory nature of the Executive Order, and the subsequent “capricious enforcement” of the order:

        Yesterday, President Trump signed an executive order effectively banning visa holders from certain majority muslim countries and refugees from entering the Untied States. This order contravenes the principles of religious liberty, equality, and compassion that our nation was founded upon. In its discriminatory impact of Muslims, it also plays into the Al Qaeda and ISIS narrative that the West is no place for Muslims and that we are engaged in a war of civilizations.

        In addition to its cruelty, the order contains misstatements of fact and law and is vaguely drafted, suggesting that little consideration was given to its implications. Additionally, more than 24 hours after the order was signed, it has not be posted to the White House website.

        Customs and Border Protection and United States Citizenship and Immigration Services personnel under your supervision have been charged with implementing this order. Already there have been reports that legal permanent residents and visa holders have been prevented from boarding flights, detained upon arrival, and questioned about their religion, political beliefs, and even views about the President. There have also been reports that the order may mean denying entry to travelers who hold dual citizenship or were born in one of the seven muslim countries named in the order. The capricious enforcement of this order is likely to heighten its harmful effects and present legal and constitutional issues.


    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "They effectively enjoy all the liberties that natural born Americans enjoy  - until Trump's EO ."

      They still do.  Or can you quote from the EO, showing where it distinguishes between citizens and anyone else?

      1. psycheskinner profile image82
        psycheskinnerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        No, we don't.  Greencard holders have been deported on entry under the "Muslim countries ban". It explicitly included greencard residents returning to their US homes after going overseas on vacation.

      2. ptosis profile image75
        ptosisposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/ … index.html

        'I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).'

        http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … o-u-s.html
        'Department of Homeland Security secretary John Kelly has issued a statement declaring that all lawful permanent U.S. residents, known as green-card holders, are to be allowed into the country regardless of their native country, reversing a previous Trump administration position on the issue.

        In DHS secretary Kelly’s statement, which was released early Sunday evening, he deems “the entry of lawful permanent residents to be in the national interest,” so that the judgment complies with the text of Trump’s executive order, which said that exceptions to Trump’s travel ban could be issued on a “national interest” basis. In this case, it seems to be some kind of blanket waiver judgment regarding all permanet'

        “In the future, such policy changes should be better co-ordinated with the agencies implementing them and with congress to ensure we get it right — and don’t undermine our nation’s credibility while trying to restore it,” said house homeland security committee chairman Michael McCaul, a Republican. -
        I concur! Instead of passing something stinky and messy out of your bowels Mr. Trump


        I don't always agree with Trump - but when I do, it's because we are talking about two different things:
        Just finished reading entire book last night, "The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue Agent Exposes the Mossad's Secret Agenda by Victor Ostrovsky (1994-11-01)"

        That's when I realized that  ISIS =  ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE


        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Well now, that could be interesting.  Who's order takes priority - a Dept. secretary or the President of the United States?  Unless there is more to this story than given (isn't there always?) I'd have to say that man needs a new job.

  2. ptosis profile image75
    ptosisposted 11 months ago

    Seems even an ex-PM of Norway processing was 'slowed down' due to Trump's EO:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/worl … .html?_r=0

    "Mr. Bondevik said he could understand the need for safety precautions, but he was dismayed at the length of his wait. He notified the Norwegian ambassador in Washington of his concerns.

    “The explanation alone should be more than enough to let me pass,” he said. “Surely they can’t seriously believe that a former prime minister of Norway has sinister intentions” or is “planning to perform misdeeds in the U.S.”

    A spokesman for the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Oslo confirmed that Mr. Bondevik holds a diplomatic passport."