Where President Trump's Latest Controversial Actually Racists?
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"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning
government at all), now loudly......"
"....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came? Then come back and show us how...."
"....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came? Then come back and show us how...."
Racism Versus Freedom Of Speech. Please share your views.
Were Trump's tweets, accurately ( in a way that is correct in all details) racist or is the related hype in regards to the tweets just that hysterical hype?
It's clear the tweets are controversial, baiting. However, are they racist or are these sentiments Trump's opinion or ideology? Does the president share the right of freedom of speech"?
Well, I'm probably being baited with the question, but I'll try to answer.
1. Three of the four were born in the U.S., so to assert that they were born elsewhere invokes the racist trope that people who are not white were obviously born somewhere else. While it's not explicit in the tweet that he's saying "hey, you're dark-skinned therefore you couldn't have been born here", it's either wildly ignorant of the history of such attacks or very intentional. Whether ignorant or intentional, it seems to be based on the race of the women.
2. A non-racist would not attack these women based on a perception of their otherness. A non-racist would simply attack their ideas without regard to their origins, sex, or race. Lindsay Graham basically did this, calling them "communists". That's a fair attack, albeit also loaded in its own way.
3. White people tend to want racism to be explicit, as in "you're dark-skinned therefore I hate you...", but for people of color, the experience of having your otherness emphasized to you is a daily occurrence. Because the people doing the emphasizing are basing their criticisms on appearance, those tend to be racist. If a white person tells a black person to "go back to Africa" with no additional information on the black person other than the color of their skin, that is the very definition of racism. That is the implication of Trump's tweets.Thank you for sharing your views. I hope others will share.
Your number one comment.- It is obvious many are sharing this view. I looked at it differently. I felt although he may have been speaking of their counties of ancestral origin.I've gone back and forth on this with myself, and here you've given me a few things to consider:
"Three of the four were born in the U.S., so to assert that they were born elsewhere invokes the racist trope that people who are not white were obviously born somewhere else."
I do wonder if what Trump was referencing (implicitly) was that these women are of different nationalities, regardless of their color. So if one of them had been born in the US to Icelandic parents, would Trump have said the same thing?
"A non-racist would not attack these women based on a perception of their otherness. A non-racist would simply attack their ideas without regard to their origins, sex, or race."
Okay, but national orgin isn't the same as race. If I say to someone "go back where you came from", and they're from Iceland, I'm clearly not a racist, but perhaps bigoted - I have a bias against Icelanders. The question is: Is it really about race?
"for people of color, the experience of having your otherness emphasized to you is a daily occurrence. Because the people doing the emphasizing are basing their criticisms on appearance, those tend to be racist."
That's an issue. But in this case, the women are brown or black AND come from a foreign lineage. Can we tell, from Trump's statement how he meant this - see my previous comments.
This is how I think, though granted, I haven't suffered race based discrimination. I do suggest that perhaps the discrimination suffered by some has caused them to jump on anything that COULD be construed as racist.Professor, Trump's behavior here was racist either through ignorance or otherwise.
Three of the 4 women were born here. How are they distinguished as foreign when everybody including Anglos were born here? Do you think that Trump would have said the same thing to 4 white women?
So, he says that the 3 dark skinned women born in the U.S should go back to some undefined place of origin? African American communities and other non whites can easily see that Trumps attack on 3 of the 4 women could be used in the same context in regards to anyone of US. Are the whites that much more NATIVErelative to the 3 American citizens in this controversy? What is Trump implying?
Is it because they have brown skin they are automatically seen as foreigner? Then I guess that I am a foreigner as well, as I have brown skin and was born here.
Trump is an idiot without the brains to learn to control his tongue, stable genius indeed..... the ramifications of all this just go to polarize us all against Trump and Trump style conservatism all that much more. After all of this time, he lacks the basic ability to frame a stand of opposition without attacking race, ethnicity or gender. He would have got into less trouble if he just called them allCommunists.
Nobody is being hysterical here, what you seeing plainly before you is what it is.
He is going to the woodshed on this one for a well deserved thrashing.
Sherlee: I hope that this can provide a little clarification in regard to your question in this thread.I appreciate your perspective and your taking time to answer my questions.
After reading the tweets many times, I don't see where he directed any form of derogatory name-calling toward the women. It is apparent he was telling them to go back to their countries of origin. I found the real derogatory statement was he insulted the countries of their origins. However, it seems that was not picked up by the media.Sharlee, I agree with you that these controversial tweets were not "racist," but, I do see them as stupid and juvenile things to say.
Regardless of the racist controversy, (which I see as a manufactured partisan effort), I don't see any adult way to defend them.
For me, to have our president say such things is a very negative thing.
I really don't want my president operating on this level.
I noticed in one of these threads that Readmikenow referred to a Mark Twain quote, well, Mr. Twain has an appropriate quote for this issue too.
GAGA, I was hoping you would add a comment, and I appreciate you answering my question directly. You seem to be able to weed through the rhetoric and get to the core of the question and offer a sensible answer. I found no racial overtones in Trump's Tweets. I did find them baiting, and overly insulting to several countries.
The "Squad" has been baiting him for some weeks, and I suspected he would come out swinging. I had hoped he would use the opportunity to point out their ideology, and their lack of decorum. But how could he? He lacks decorum himself. It well appears president Trump now has four women that will get in the mud with him. Should provide for some disgusting entertainment.
I don't want my president to operate on this level either...Couldn't agree more. It wasn't racist, it WAS stupid, derogatory, insulting and rather expected given the baiting going on.
In other words, Trump in a nutshell.Yes, not sure how this set of tweets could be labeled racist? It was Trump in fine form. I posted this thread just to get some opinions on the racist slant that has been attached to the tweets. I wondered if anyone could point out what phrase or words made them think the comments were racist.
I think it unfortunate that politicians play the race card so frequently. In my opinion, it just furthers the divide and actually helps keep racism alive and thriving.
"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning
Who would know better about political corruption?
"Okay, but national orgin isn't the same as race. If I say to someone "go back where you came from", and they're from Iceland, I'm clearly not a racist, but perhaps bigoted - I have a bias against Icelanders. The question is: Is it really about race?"
I clearly get your point here. In my own opinion, I think he more than insulted these women's countries of origin.The country of origin for three of the four women was the U.S. When that is the case, and you imply that they are not from the U.S., then what is the basis for doing so?
It appears President Trump was referring to the origin. I use the word origin referring to their parentage or ancestry. I would assume all four have parents that migrated to America from other countries? I can certainly see your point. I guess it all comes down to how one perceives the three tweets, the context.
Seeing as each of these four ladies in question, lay claim to other than just American heritage...it would stand to reason that they feel their heritage is from a country other than the just the US....
After calling him out these women complain that he calls them out. They have apparently decided to move on from the issue and it seems it's because they are being called out for taking his comments out context. They do not want their supporters to focus on that fact. Those that hate him will attack any who try to look at it from any angle other than one of hating him, all while claiming to be on the side of tolerance. These women believe they should be allowed to say anything and get by with it, but that he should not be allowed to do the same.
Racism Versus Freedom Of Speech. Please share your views.
It's clear the tweets are controversial, baiting. However, are they racist or are these sentiments Trump's opinion or ideology? Does the president share the right of freedom of speech"?
Why one or the other? Racists also have the right of freedom of speech. Which Trump exercised.
Anyway, this a distraction. It is what he does every time he want to change the narrative. Says outrageous things to distract.
He is a racist. Yes, most of us already knew that. Don't lose focus, people. But I must say, this new stupidity of his only shows how spineless are most of the GOP politicians.The "spineless GOP politicians" are keeping a low profile because they get severely punished if they oppose Trump. I'm sure they are praying for a recession or strong primary challenger to replace Trump at the GOP convention.
The equally shameful behavior is on the part of white Christian Trump supporters who embrace his hateful comments against anyone who isn't white or Christian.I appreciate your opinion. I had hoped you would answer my questions. I am trying to ascertain simply if the tweets in question can be labeled as racist in nature. perhaps it is easier just to deflect, and not really read the tweets in full context?
I find it hard to find any racial overtones in the tweets that have been labeled as racist. I do find the tweets baiting, and insulting to the four congresswomen. These tweets are Trumpesque on steroids... But I have to question why some are finding them racist.
"The equally shameful behavior is on the part of white Christian Trump supporters who embrace his hateful comments against anyone who isn't white or Christian."
This statement seems very judgmental, and uncalled for. It actually is equally as disturbing and baiting as some of trump's tweets. Your comment sought to insult a large body of American citizens by labeling them "shameful". It is all so racist. "White Christian Trump supporters".
Do you feel you have an innate right to openly make such a
statement?Sharlee, I will make such a statement. The Christian Right have been one of Trumps most fervent supporters.
Why, they attacked Barack Obama as being in-American and Muslim, while they embrace the very antipathy of the values they trumpet before the world.
Isn't it hypocritical to embrace a man(Trump)who is hardly a Christian example, as he is both amoral and immoral relative to the records of any Presidents before him.
Christian is just a label? So why do they cling to Trump relative to Obama as the classic example of the ideal family man. So what is the explanation for the hypocrisy among Christian Evangelicals.
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So when we cut through the bull what do you think is the real reason for the adoration of Trump?Obama is a good reference here. He was attacked for being born elsewhere and for being Muslim. Neither was true. So why was he attacked this way? It is the same reason Trump is attacking these women. It is specifically to highlight their otherness.
Sharlee, I can appreciate that you do not see the racism in the tweets. However, I bet if you were black you would. I bet if you were Hispanic, you would. I bet that if you spent a significant part of your life having a large number of white people treat you differently because of the color of your skin, you would.No, he was attacked for not being the right party. Not the president that was wanted.
The same reason Trump is being attacked with the same lies, similar in kind if not identical.I'm sorry, but that's just flat-out wrong. Obama was attacked for being black. Those attacks were done it that specific way to highlight that Obama was other. He was black, Muslim, and a foreigner. No President has ever been attacked in that way and it is a COMMON way to attack people of color.
Now, you can certainly make the case that because Obama was a Democrat, any weakness was going to be attacked. So if he was black, he would be attacked for being black. And the same people would attack a woman for being a woman or a Hispanic person as being illegal regardless of whether it is true.
What does it say about Republicans that the strategy for attacking their opponents is to go after ethnicity and gender and sexual orientation?I know, I know. It was all done by racists, and everyone that isn't a liberal is a racist. That's why he was said to be a Nigerian - because the speaker was a racist.
What is the excuse now for those people spreading lies about Trump in order to harm him politically? Are they racist, too, because they don't like him?
It doesn't say anything about Republicans because they don't do that. The race card is worn out, Crank, from overuse and abuse; no one believes it anymore...except those that are racists themselves. A shame because it used to be a useful term, descriptive of reality. Not it's only a slur.Go look at the language used by white nationalists and you will see Trump repeating it.
The race card is abused, but that doesn't mean racism isn't prevalent in this country. This attack that people who bring up racism are themselves racist may or may not be true. This forum is filled with right-wingers attacking Obama and The Squad based on race and/or sex. If I am attacking Trump, it's not on his race or his sex, it's about his behavior.
If you don't see the difference, being a generally rational person by all accounts, I fear for the future of our country because somehow this attitude and inability to understand racism and its history and grasp the use of its tropes in current political dialogue, is pervasive on the right.
Yes, I can see where you are coming from. However, I perceive any people of color or various religions as equals. Is racism alive and well yes it is. But it is about time we are looked at as individuals, not put into any form of category. "Trump supporters", "white christens", "left-wing" ...
In my opinion, he was not pointing out there "otherness" in regards to race, he was pointing ideologies he finds distasteful. This goes back to my question. Does the president have the right to free speech?
Thank you for adding your comment.
"Anyway, this a distraction. It is what he does every time he want to change the narrative. Says outrageous things to distract."
I very much agree.
"He is a racist. Yes, most of us already knew that."
I can't agree with your sentiment, I have seen no real evidence of the president being a racist.
Only white nationalists refuse to admit that Trump is following the fascist rule book to a T.
Fascists make people of other religions and ethnicities the enemy. They whip up their followers with barrages of inflammatory rhetoric. They spread lies and propaganda to fool the ignorant.
Of course his tweet was racist (and part of a strategy). For God's sake, just look at the photo. He targeted non-white people for the XXth time.
But the white nationalists -- including the ones on here -- lap it all up. As always, they deny and rationalize what is obvious to everyone else.
More violence is coming soon. Trump's ego will love it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html"Of course his tweet was racist (and part of a strategy). For God's sake, just look at the photo. He targeted non-white people for the XXth time.
But the white nationalists -- including the ones on here -- lap it all up. As always, they deny and rationalize what is obvious to everyone else."
I would appreciate it if you could point out any racially motivated slur.
The rationale is there is actually no racial overtones in the tweets. Not sure you feel anyone that does not agree with your view should be labeled a white nationalist? I have read the tweets very carefully and have not found them to be racially offensive. I can defiantly assure you I am not a white nationalist.
I must say you have taken on a bit of a superior tone when you claim "But the white nationalists -- including the ones on here -- lap it all up. As always, they deny and rationalize what is obvious to everyone else.
In this case, the rational thing to do is answer the questions I asked. What is the verbiage you found to be racist? It may just be you that is not being rational in regards to the context of the tweets.
Yes, it is very apparent many are lapping up what the media is dishing up. However, one might only read the tweets and realize there is no basis for this tasty dish... Yes, one needs to be rational and either points out what in the context of the tweets is racist or see that maybe there is nothing in the context that is racist.
So far in this thread, no one has pointed out any factual verbiage that is racist. Perhaps you could?Easily. It targets four women who aren't white (like usual). It makes claims that are obvious lies about their place of birth. It is designed to promote racial hatred. It tells them to go back to their non-white nations. It is part of a pattern of attacking anyone who isn't white or Christian.
And yes, anyone who defends that kind of hatred is a white nationalist. But that has been obvious for a long time.
One doesn't have to be "superior" to recognize the inferior morality and intellect of Trump supporters.It' clear you can not come up with any verbiage from the tweets. You are reading what you hope to hear, not what the actual words say.. You have proved my point. There just is nothing racist in the tweets.
It's clear you will condemn Trump only if he uses the common slurs for blacks and Hispanics.
If one these women ends up shot because of Trump's hate mongering, you will find a way to avoid blaming him.I could turn around and say the same about what these women said at their press conference the other day. They said vile things about the president, and have been saying many horrible things for weeks. What if the president is shot? You don't seem to have a fair thought process?
Sharlee, Doesn't it make you wonder why the left never blamed Bernie Sanders when one of deranged followers actually shot a U.S. Congressman.
Did Bernie's crowds chant "shoot the congressman," Mike? While Bernie posed a few moments basking in the glory like Donnie did?
No, they did not. She called them "deplorable, irredeemable". Sort of indicating not worthy of life... Did Trump's crowds ever chant to kill anyone? "Send her back"... Just does not have the horrid emotions attached as the "old Girls" statement. Now does it. Looks pretty mild next to her deplorable irredeemable statement.
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shockingly bad in quality.I referenced Bernie in response to Mike's comment, Shar. Bernie isn't a "she" as far as I can tell. Or are you brining Hillary into the conversation again?
I guess I am guilty of bringing Hillary into this conversation, as you did by bringing up Bernie? I hate to point it out, but you opened the door.
Mike brought up Bernie, Shar. Do you actually read the comments?
Yes, I read the comments that I am responding to.
Here is where I picked up the conversation.
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READMIKENOW WROTE:
Sharlee, Doesn't it make you wonder why the left never blamed Bernie Sanders when one of the deranged followers actually shot a U.S. Congressman.
Randy - Did Bernie's crowds chant "shoot the congressman," Mike? While Bernie posed a few moments basking in the glory like Donnie did?
My response to you..
"No, they did not. She called them "deplorable, irredeemable". Sort of indicating not worthy of life... Did Trump's crowds ever chant to kill anyone? "Send her back"... Just does not have the horrid emotions attached as the "old Girls" statement. Now does it. Looks pretty mild next to her deplorable irredeemable statement.
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Your response - Followed by mine.
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I referenced Bernie in response to Mike's comment, Shar. Bernie isn't a "she" as far as I can tell. Or are you bringing Hillary into the conversation again? roll
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I guess I am guilty of bringing Hillary into this conversation, as you did by bringing up Bernie? I hate to point it out, but you opened the door.
Your response -Mike brought up Bernie, Shar. Do you actually read the comments?"
Please read the progression of the comments. You jumped into a conversation Mike and I were having, otherwise, I never would have had to respond to your ongoing comments.
Yeah, I read the comments, do you? Why not check your attitude, before making a go at insulting me? Makes you look a bit foolish.
.Yes, I read the comments. You jumped into a conversation Mike initiated with me. I then responded to your comment. I have no problem with you jumping in, I have a problem with your insinuation that I don't read what I respond to. Not nice...
Shockingly enough it does not shock me. The left has a form of distorted thought process. If they say it it's true. If they hear it from left media, it is true. No matter what is before them if they don't like it is untrue. They feel emboldened to say anything. It is unsettling to realize this kind of mentality is prevalent. One positive thing, they are in the minority.
I guess I should have been more clear. The people that adopt a distorted thought process I consider far left and are in the minority.
OK, I feel the same about those who chant, "send her back," Shar.
I already answered your question. The right continues to be cryptic about the larger implications of Trump's comments in this affair and in previous ones. But, to humor you all the comments may not be considered racist in the classic definition, but they were ignorant, ill-times, inappropriate, provocative and plain downright stupid that required the President to enlist damage control that he need not have if he had only thought before he spoke. The sort of advice I would give to any pre-teen.
There is my answer, does that help? Nothing philosophical about that answer?"But, to humor you all the comments may not be considered racist in the classic definition, but they were ignorant, ill-times, inappropriate, provocative and plain downright stupid that required the President to enlist damage control that he need not have if he had only thought before he spoke. The sort of advice I would give to any pre-teen. "
I totally agree... Now how hard was that?
How many white members of Congress has Donald Trump told to go back to the "places from which they came"?
How many members of congress have been saying the things about the president that these women have been saying? The insults have been vile, harsh. We all know Trump can be just as harsh. He gave them back what they dished out. It's only my opinion, I did not hear any racial slurs in the tweets.
What I saw was a progression of words, starting with describing the women's countries of origin. Pointing out problems in those countries.
"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......"
I then noted Trump comparing these mentioned countries to America, and referring to the congresswomen's previous verbal attacks on how things are being handled in the Country. He then uses verbiage that clearly offers a suggestion. " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came? Then come back and show us how.."
Not sure how any of his words can be labeled racist? I don't think color or religion had anything to do with his tweets. I think he was giving them a little of what they had been giving him. As far as I am concerned they all got down in the mud.
I can respect your opinion, it is very clear many are seeing what you have detected in the tweets. I am just not one of them, not this time at any rate.Then how many white people who have said the same as these women, or worse, about Trump has he told to go back to the "places from which they came"?
I am not all that sure any other congresswomen have been spewing such radical agenda's? I don't think Trump looks at race, gender or religion when he goes after someone. It's clear if someone says or does something he dislikes he goes after them. Man or woman...
And which white people, outside of Congress, who have said the same as these women, or worse, has Trump told to go back to the "places from which they came"?
Don't you think it's a bit different to be an elected member of Congress? At that point you represent your district but also the Nation.
You forget the part about fixing the country and coming back and tell us how you did it.
Why is that part of the tweet always forgotten? Is it because that would not support the political agenda of the left?I take it that means you don't know of any white people who have said the same, or worse, who Trump has told to go back to "places from which they came".
If there is a white congressman or congresswoman who has said the same or worse, I would like to know. The same goes for an oriental congressman or congresswoman.
And Trump doesn't represent the nation? It's especially bad when the leader of the free world stoops to such language. Of course, we've gotten accustomed to it under Donnie's reign.
I don't think I have heard such radical agendas from anyone in Congress? I certainly have not witnessed such anti-Israel sentiments from anyone in any part of our Government as the Omar has been espousing. These women are Trump on steroids when it comes to making shocking statements.
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/fred-fl … nti-israelNone, but he sure has gone for the "throat" of many other women in congress. I don't think he discriminates when passing out insults.
Here's the truly amazing part of all this. All Trump has to do is attack their ideas. For God's sake, they want open borders, they want to abolish ICE, they want free health care for illegal immigrants. That is way, way, way left and nobody I know supports such things.
Some of them support sanctioning Israel and cutting off support. That's a different topic entirely, but not many people support that. Congresswoman Omar has demonstrated some obvious anti-semitism.
This is easy. Their ideas mostly suck. But Trump goes after their heritage and their gender and their race instead of targeting their ideas.You are exactly on target. They are far left. So why doesn't Trump follow that advice?
Because it doesn't trigger the heated emotional response that he wants from his followers.Well, and perhaps that is his genius. He knows exactly what kind of dog whistles to blow. It's just a little scary, because those are the same dog whistles blown by some pretty bad historical figures.
You have a good point here. President Trump does well realize conservatives will react if threatened with any form of Socialist ideas. Not only react, but come out punching. Makes one wonder if the Dems are not shooting themselves in the foot by supporting some of these congresswomen views? This ugly tweet was classic Trump. However, he certainly has unmasked the undercurrent of the Democratic party's far-left socialist views.
It plays to his base, and us that just voted for his conservative agenda. he knows has a great new talking point for his rallies, and it already appears people at the rallies love it.
So, do you think these women are ultimately helping Trump win four more years?Those four women hold minority views within the Democratic Party. The only reason you would think otherwise is by watching Fox News which, as usual, is wrong.
Not sure why you presume you have the right to assume I watch Fox News? This to me is a problem in this self...
At any rate, these four women and their radical agendas have held much of the news cycles for a week now.
This kind of news coverage has put them front and center along with their socialist agendas. They have provided Trump with a potent tool to bash the democratic party. Just my opinion.This conversation has nothing to do with Fox News. Tired of this kind of comment. These women hold socialist views and are a disgrace to our Congress. My comment made my point. Yours shows you have nothing but a vague insult. Why even comment. Want the last word? You got it, and it sure shows your thought process.
Did you catch his Rally the other night? He listed any and all of their agendas. All and more then I realized they are pushing.
We are on the right page, but not in the same book... All of what you said in this comment is precisely what prompted the tweet that shook the world...
"....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful nation on earth, how our government is to be run. " Emphasis on how our government is to be run.
He is clearly referring to their progressive socialist agendas.
I am clearly seeing these tweets have a context that is going after these women's agendas, not their race.
I must also mention, his tweets certainly worked as he most likely wanted it too. It has more Americans looking at what these women political agenda's.
President Trump is not a racist. This is all dumb. Whether or not you read white nationalist propaganda or retweet it or whatever, none of that allows another person to know what's in your heart.
It just happens to be true that a lot of African-Americans, Hispanics, and Muslims simply don't appreciate the United States and the freedoms they have here. They criticize us and want us to give them free food and free housing and free everything. They want to open our borders and let everyone in and give them free health care.
Am I so bad because I want people to work? If you emigrate to this country from a bad place and we let you in, show thanks. Don't tell us how to make our country more like your country when you left your country in the first place because it was so bad.
What's amazing about these women is that, in their home countries, they barely have the right of free speech. Most of their countries won't let their women out of the house. Most Muslim countries won't even let their women show their faces in public.
Not only is Bozo Trump an elderly racist, but he also HATES all White people who aren't wealthy so that probably includes everyone around here: So, if you're STILL trying to convince the MAJORITY of Americans that Bozo Trump is not racist and a few gullible individuals actually believe you, I've got some used worthless "Trump University Diplomas" to sell them:
There's no question he's a racist, he also confessed to being GAY when he fell in LOVE with a man, and he BOWS Down like a beaten dog to Communist Vladimir Putin in front of the world on global television: He's the UGLIEST, most Corrupt National Disgrace in our nation's political history who needs to go straight to Prison IMMEDIATELY: Enough is ENOUGH already: The USA is on fire, in burning embers and tatters all because of a mental case delusional charlatan fool and his bunch of brain washed cultees:
Honest to GOD, who still listens to this blubbering idiot ?? UNREAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw"Not only is Bozo Trump an elderly racist, but he also HATES all White people who aren't wealthy so that probably includes everyone around here:"
It is just weird that poorer and working class whites haven't figured that out yet...Well Credence2, I think most "poor and working class whites" figured out long ago that Donald is a self serving racist charlatan who only cares about himself, Donald's pathetic approval ratings prove that point, but of course you are correct, there are still a few out there who perhaps enjoy the despicable oval office "Clown Show" which is destroying our HealthCARE System and decimating our standing in the world turning us into a crumbling 3rd world state:
I watched a commentator on MSNBC a few weeks ago who hit the nail on the head when he said and I paraphrase " By Now, If You Don't Know Trump Is A CON-Man, You're The MARK":
How TRUE:Here is a good resource in regards to Trump's approval rating. Perhaps you have not been keeping up the last few months?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 668458001/
"So, if you're STILL trying to convince the MAJORITY of Americans that Bozo Trump is not racist and a few gullible individuals actually believe you, I've got some used worthless "Trump University Diplomas" to sell them:"
Jake I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. maybe you can focus and just answer the questions. Maybe you can sell your TU Diplomas on eBay.
The word racist had been used as a slur so much in the last few years, to disparage anyone for almost anything, that it has lost all of its historical meaning.
And the Squad is, in my opinion, an embarrassment to our political landscape, will have a negative impact on the ability of young women who are actually (as opposed to this clique) reasonable and rational to be taken seriously as freshman lawmakers and as self absorbed with their own opinions of their own self importance as any immature social media 'influencer' I've ever been aware of.
They are 4 clueless young women who don't appear to have the ability to play well with others, unless the others are fawning on their every idea.
Call that racist, if you will. Trump wasn't being racist. He was, in his usual form, being tactless and over reaching personally with his criticism."Only four Republicans and one independent broke and voted with the Democrats to condemn the president’s language in the House vote Tuesday, a stark reminder of just how far the party has come from the period when its leaders believed their political future depended on being a big tent, welcoming to Latino and African-American voters."
Excerpt from a New York Times article, so much for kumbaya, huh?The house refused to name Omar in their resolution against antisemitism.
The hypocrisy of your complaint is duly noted.So, L to L, the right have white supremists and Neo-Nazis here in America hosting rallies that are clearly anti-Semitic that are conveniently ignored. Well, I am not ignoring it. After all, Trump said that they were "fine people".
I don't like Netanyahu nor Israel foreign policy regarding the Middle East conflict and that does not make me Anti-Semitic. That is just more BS from the right.
Just because Trump wants to suck up to the phony Christian groups and pro-Israeli lobbyists, just one group of lobbyists among many, does not mean that I am going to buy into the rightwing nonsense. There are many of us not satisfied with Israeli efforts to negotiate a fair settlement in regards to the Palestinians in the region. Does that make me Anti-American?
NPR excerpt...
"Being opposed to [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu and the occupation is not the same as being anti-Semitic. I am grateful to the many Jewish allies who have spoken out and said the same," Omar wrote on Twitter.
What are people supporting Omar saying?
Many supporters of Omar are saying she's opening up a crucial debate on Israel and its treatment of Palestinians.
A new organization, Jews With Ilhan, sums up a common argument on its website:
"There is absolutely nothing anti-Semitic about calling out the noxious role of [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee], which spends millions each year to buy U.S. political support for Israeli aggression and militarism against the Palestinian people."
Some people also believe Omar's identity as a Muslim woman in Congress is making her an unfair target of criticism.
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You abhor the word "enemy", well when it comes to the political right and Trump suck-ups, I am already there....I do believe Netanyahu and his wife are under investigation as we speak for several illegal activities.
And as far as this thread is concerned, unless Trump starts using the "N" word on occasion he'll not get reprimanded by his base for anything he says about minorities. I think we've seen it by the comments from the Right on this subject."And as far as this thread is concerned, unless Trump starts using the "N" word on occasion he'll not get reprimanded by his base for anything he says about minorities. I think we've seen it by the comments from the Right on this subject"
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You know Randy, I don't think that Trumps droids would get upset at all about his ratcheting up the racial, ethnic and gender related slurs, they all seem to thrive on it.Not the one's I know personally down here in "God's" country, Crank!
- Onusonusposted 5 years ago
0At what point does calling somebody you don't like a racist loose it's meaning?
"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world "
I don't understand how "Progressive Democrat Congresswomen" became a race. Donald Trump didn't mention race, it's the Democrats who mentioned race. I wonder why the card played didn't involve him being a sexist, he did mention "Congresswomen." Interesting nobody saw his dislike as being "Progressive Democrats."
Also, nobody seems to remember the term "and then come back."
I suppose if you view the world through the prism of race anything can be about race.Mike, you do know the "and then come back." was added later after the initial stink, don't you?
Randy, I know that's not true.
I have my twitter feed set to receive tweets from President Donald Trump as soon as he sends them. I know the statement came out in 3 tweets seconds a part. I saw the statement when it first came out.OK, my bad, but it was still racist to tell them to go back to their own countries as it's always been.
There is not any content in the three tweets that could be mistaken for being racist. It is disgusting how some can be fed this kind of rhetoric, and clearly eat it up. Makes one wonder...
In all fairness looking at this story, the congresswomen did intimidate Trump with their rhetoric. So, let's say that the comments Trump made were not racist, but we can all agree that they were ill advised and inappropriate.
Trump, as President, needs to recognize that he needed to take the higher ground relative to junior congresswomen, and that his words would resonate around the world in a way that those of junior congresswomen would not.
Handling these matters like a smitten school boy rather than the senior statesman he is supposed to be is why he ends up with the pie in his face all of the time. When you add this to other past comments of his having racial overtones, it is not hard to connect the dots.
Obama had to deal with a hostile House of Representatives a few years ago, infested with right wing extremists. Yet, he kept his civility through it all.
The GOP would not even agree to call Trump out for making these inappropriate comments, racist or not.
Well, the GOP makes clear to me which side of the line they are on regarding their desire obtain the political support from those not of the Caucasian persuasion."Handling these matters like a smitten schoolboy rather than the senior statesman he is supposed to be is why he ends up with the pie in his face all of the time. When you add this to other past comments of his having racial overtones, it is not hard to connect the dots."
I can respect your view, but let me point out others might see things differently. In my own view, Trump has never been one to mince words or discriminate between responding to a man or a woman. In fact, I am not sure why one would think he would be changing the way he responded when he feels he or the country has been insulted by anyone. And it is very relevant to take into consideration these particular women have been baiting him for weeks, with pretty strong statements. I would say they gave as good as they received.
I don't look at his statements as schoolboyish. I look at them as a strong response to his basic feelings about his own views about America.
Obama did have a wonderful demeanor and was very well-spoken. However, Trump is not Obama he has his own personality. He certainly never hide that personality during his campaign.
"Well, the GOP makes clear to me which side of the line they are on regarding their desire obtain the political support from those not of the Caucasian persuasion."
It is clear the GOP is supporting Trump. In my opinion, they would. These are politicians witnessing the Dems destroying any chances of regaining the White House, much due to their lack of ideas, but most of all the ideologies they are progressively backing. Yes, Trump is not a typical Republican. However, Trump has them holding the White House.
I would say the political strategy on behalf of Donald Trump is brilliant.
1. He brought a lot of light onto these Congresswomen and what they were saying about the United States. They now own their statements on a national level.
2. He made the Democrat party own them and their statements. Their behavior within the Democrat party is now known around the country. There are Democrats who do not want these women to be the face of the Democrat party. Unfortunately, they are now the face of the Democrat party.
3. There are many fellow Democrats who are fed up with these Democrat freshman Congress women. Cracks in the Democrat party are now become serious. AOC even went as far as to accuse Nancy Pelosi of being racist.
4. President Donald Trump can only benefit in 2020 from the chaos occurring in the Democrat party. Chaos they brought on themselves.I agree with all you have listed. The Dems are showing no signs of backing down on supporting all the socialist ideas. They are like deers caught in headlights.
And you guys are focusing on 4 new congresswomen and ignoring the POTUS when he makes them out to be unpatriotic and anti-American.
He has you guys chanting "send her back" like Flynn led the chant "lock her up" at Trump's previous campaign rallies. Now he's locked up himself...
But carry on defending the self-admitted "grabber". He's good people.
Pretty amazing, isn't it, Randy? "Send her back?" Let's parse that: send a Somali-born Congresswoman back to the country where she was born because she criticized United States policy? Do I have that right? Is that about as anti-American a sentiment as it comes?
Yep, no racism here. Everyone move on.This thread is spinning out of control. Hopefully, you will point out what verbiage you found the tweets in question. I had hoped to make a point. The point is that the media can and does create blind hysteria by twisting Trump's very words out of context.
Baloney. "The media" has nothing to do with it. What you want is someone else to blame for Trump's immoral behavior.
Anyone can read, hear and see the same hateful garbage that Trump spews out over and over again and draw obvious conclusions.
You have a lot to learn about fascism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FascismIf this is true in this latest media blits it should be very easy for you to provide a bit of racist verbiage from the three tweets in question. These tweets are a perfect example of how the media twists and turns Trump's words to suit whatever kind of fed they need to dish up.
You can continue to add your dislike for the president and ignore what is in front of you or you can offer up some racial verbiage from these latest tweets. It is clear you feel the tweets are racist in nature. All I ask is why?I already explained why. Read my damned post to your other comment.
You seem to think Trump has to use the "n" word before his post is racist.
Yes, furthermore, you seem woefully ignorant about the history of this country and how racism has been used. I've already pointed it out. Do you actually think that if I walk up to some random black guy and tell him to "go back to Africa" I'm not a racist? I mean, it's possible, but highly unlikely. That charge has a very long history in this country: "go back".
And now, we have crowds of Trump supporters yelling "send her back" targeting one specific congresswoman for her otherness. She wasn't born here. She's not the same color as us. She dares criticize the United States. She must go.
Yep, fascism, as Promisem has pointed out. And clearly racist. Plus, take into account that Trump has already shown he's a racist with his Charlottesville comments, and it just adds more fuel to the fire and more nationalist rhetoric for his supporters to grab onto.
This isn't normal in the U.S. This is what dictators do. They incite fear. They provoke anger. They encourage violence.What a GREAT point. Yep, telling an African-American to go back to Africa would be very racist.
And likewise a great point about "go back" in American history.
If you told a Jew to go back to Israel, would that be anti-Semitic? Etcetera, etcetera.But, he made no mention of any nation or country? Is CRANKALICIOUS reading into the context of the tweet? Is it fair to read into a statement don't we take the chance that the context will be misinterpreted? Should a statement be looked in its entirety, not just pinpointing one sentence or collection of words?
Trump didn't say "Africa" and therefore it's not racist? Come on, Sharlee.
If you lynch a black person, I guess it's not racist if you don't actually say anything while you're doing it.
LOL. Excellent point. So all of those past lynchings in America had nothing to do with race.
The fact that the lynchees were black and the lynchers were white was just a coincidence.
And the lynchers wore pointy white hoods only because it was raining a bit.
That's how Trump supporters think."Out of the 4,743 people lynched 1,297 white people were lynched. That is 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes."
https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
You seem to want to ignore the hundreds of white people that were lynched.
I would like to state that even though they were white, they still felt the pain of death from being lynched. Should their sacrifice not be acknowledged even if they were white?
"Out of the 4,743 people lynched 1,297 white people were lynched. That is 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes."
https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/my compliments, at least you reference a credible source. But you have to remember that the 73 percent represented a considerably larger percentage of a smaller black population relative to the white one.
Another point being that whites lynched were black in the sense of the reason why they were lynched, helping the black or being anti-lynching. Whites that assisted the Blacks just as well be black in the eyes of the lynchmobs and I add these "white people" as black casualties during the lynching period. America's history of racism and bigotry can have many dimensions.
What was conveniently left out was that a large share of lynchings of whites occurred in the West under circumstances that had nothing to do with being black and not staying in your place. And as almost 80 percent of lynchings occurred in the South, it puts a different dimension on things, doesn't it?I still believe the pain suffered by those white people who were lynched for whatever reason should not be ignored or forgotten. They believed blacks should not be lynched and they laid down their life for their belief. It was more about willingly paying for their courage and conviction with their life. I would like to believe there were blacks who where able to escape and not be lynched because of the actions of these people.
If somebody doesn't have the education or the knowledge to place a statement that has historical context in context, then I can't supply them with that knowledge. That person has to go read and do the research him or herself otherwise they will continue to live in ignorance.
You are politely saying that they are just plain dumb.
It seems relevant to point out that most of our understanding of literature is done by experts who point out context and interpret the meaning of words. Interpretation and context are critical components of understanding.
It well appears not one that has commented on this thread can point out any form of verbiage in the three tweets that indicate any form of racist insult. Once again a lot of smoke no fire...
I can answer a direct question, can you? Do you ever?
You never accept any answer from anyone who doesn't fit your narrow view of Herr Trump.
Actually, I do. You could just save your energy and give an example of any form of verbiage from the tweets I question. I will promise no retort. Just add an example. I would think it should be easy, you seem very much incensed at the tweets.
That is just not true. I keep an open mind. It seems you just can't answer my question yet choose to make remarks that are argumentive. I just am not willing to go back and forth with you. Done that... Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It well appears you have nothing to add to the conversation. Unless you can answer the question. Maybe time for you just to admit you don't want to answer because it would be a real wake up call.
You strangely demand an answer to a question, which I give, and then demand the same answer over and over again.
Either you aren't reading my posts or you forget what you read right after you read it.
Now you say you won't go back and forth with me. But that's exactly what you keep doing after I stop replying to you.
Also, this is your second response to my same post.
Just bizarre.All of your posts on this thread starting two days ago
Page 1 - "The "spineless GOP politicians" are keeping a low profile because they get severely punished if they oppose Trump. I'm sure they are praying for a recession or strong primary challenger to replace Trump at the GOP convention.
The equally shameful behavior is on the part of white Christian Trump supporters who embrace his hateful comments against anyone who isn't white or Christian.
page 3 - Only white nationalists refuse to admit that Trump is following the fascist rule book to a T.
Fascists make people of other religions and ethnicities the enemy. They whip up their followers with barrages of inflammatory rhetoric. They spread lies and propaganda to fool the ignorant.
Of course his tweet was racist (and part of a strategy). For God's sake, just look at the photo. He targeted non-white people for the XXth time.
But the white nationalists -- including the ones on here -- lap it all up. As always, they deny and rationalize what is obvious to everyone else.
More violence is coming soon. Trump's ego will love it.
Page 4 - Easily. It targets four women who aren't white (like usual). It makes claims that are obvious lies about their place of birth. It is designed to promote racial hatred. It tells them to go back to their non-white nations. It is part of a pattern of attacking anyone who isn't white or Christian.
And yes, anyone who defends that kind of hatred is a white nationalist. But that has been obvious for a long time.
One doesn't have to be "superior" to recognize the inferior morality and intellect of Trump supporters.
Page 4 - Baloney. "The media" has nothing to do with it. What you want is someone else to blame for Trump's immoral behavior.
Anyone can read, hear and see the same hateful garbage that Trump spews out over and over again and draw obvious conclusions.
You have a lot to learn about fascism.
page 4 - What a GREAT point. Yep, telling an African-American to go back to Africa would be very racist.
And likewise a great point about "go back" in American history.
If you told a Jew to go back to Israel, would that be anti-Semitic? Etcetera, etcetera.
page 4 - I already explained why. Read my damned post to your other comment.
page 4 - Of course he condoned the chant. You can see he did nothing to stop it and just let it roll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sALwssmgB64
Please quit spreading fake news (again).
You seem to think Trump has to use the "n" word before his post is racist
Page 4 - Of course he condoned the chant. You can see he did nothing to stop it and just let it roll.
page 4 - Trump didn't say "Africa" and therefore it's not racist? Come on, Sharlee.
page 4 - It's clear you will condemn Trump only if he uses the common slurs for blacks and Hispanics.
If one these women ends up shot because of Trump's hate mongering, you will find a way to avoid blaming him.
Page 5 - I don't believe the problem is listening. The problem is people who want to believe propaganda that fits their warped view of the world.
This is nothing new. They appear throughout history on both the right and left (fascism, communism). It's just that propaganda has flooded America in a big way in recent years, and weak-minded people are soaking it up.
I do agree that last night's rally is another scary example of the direction in which this country is headed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sALwssmgB64
Please quit spreading fake news (again).
Page 4 - Trump didn't say "Africa" and therefore it's not racist? Come on, Sharlee
Page 4 - It's clear you will condemn Trump only if he uses the common slurs for blacks and Hispanics.
If one these women ends up shot because of Trump's hate mongering, you will find a way to avoid blaming him.
It's clear you will condemn Trump only if he uses the common slurs for blacks and Hispanics.
page 5 -
Good point. Trump has made his followers more comfortable with admitting their worst thoughts and instincts.
page 6- LOL. Excellent point. So all of those past lynchings in America had nothing to do with race.
The fact that the lynchees were black and the lynchers were white was just a coincidence.
And the lynchers wore pointy white hoods only because it was raining a bit.
That's how Trump supporters think.
Page 6 - You are politely saying that they are just plain dumb.
Page 6 - Well said. it's also a pattern throughout history. Extremism on either side breeds violence.
In the long run, violence eventually does lead to resolution because the cost otherwise is huge.
page 6 - You never accept any answer from anyone who doesn't fit your narrow view of Herr Trump.
Page 7- For Trump apologists, the answer is yes.
Page 7 - You strangely demand an answer to a question, which I give, and then demand the same answer over and over again.
Either you aren't reading my posts or you forget what you read right after you read it.
Now you say you won't go back and forth with me. But that's exactly what you keep doing after I stop replying to you.
Also, this is your second response to my same post.
Just bizarre."
Yes Bizarre, still no verbiage that shows racism in the three tweets in question. Just t your opinion on what you read into the tweets. What actual words did you find racist in the context Trump used them? You offered your views on the context of the tweets. Do you ever consider what he tweeted is what he wanted to be conveyed? No dog-whistles, just a view, and opinion.
Yes, you commented on this thread frequently, but none of what you wrote had any factual verbiage that Trump was being racist in the tweets. No evidence, no, out and out verbiage that pointed to a racist insult. In fact, no one has come up with any verbiage from the tweets that show Trump meant to be racist. It must be hard to constantly have to twist and turn Trump's words to suit a narrative? Maybe time to just look at the entire contents of his words, and tweets and let his words mean what they mean, not what you want them to mean.Yep, telling an African-American to go back to Africa is very racist.
Of course his tweet was racist (and part of a strategy). For God's sake, just look at the photo. He targeted non-white people for the XXth time.
It targets four women who aren't white (like usual). It makes claims that are obvious lies about their place of birth. It is designed to promote racial hatred. It tells them to go back to their non-white nations. It is part of a pattern of attacking anyone who isn't white or Christian.
You seem to think Trump has to use the "n" word before his post is racist. Trump didn't say "Africa" and therefore it's not racist?"Yep, telling an African-American to go back to Africa is very racist."
I guess I missed these words?
You are reading the tweet adding your perspective, your views. It comes down to what one reads into the context of the tweets. I have the same right to consider the context and make my own decision on what the words convey. I don't find any racial undertones.Is Ilhan Omar an African-American? Did Trump tell her to go back to her own country?
To put the entire tweet in context. He first said "So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning.
He then admonished them by stating "....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful nation on earth, how our government is to be run. "
He went on to clearly tell them "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came? Then come back and show us how...."
he rapped it up with - "....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
Yes, Omar is black. He actually did not point her out now, did he?
All I see in the above words are an insult to several countries, and four women that Trump admonished for their lack of respect for our country. You should well realize these four have said some pretty vile things as of late. I think they got what they gave. All involved including Trump got into the mud. In fact, I think these women are all Trump on steroids. Just my opinion.
We will have to agree to disagree on the tweet. It is apparent you find the tweet's racist, and I do not. I don't condone his rude methods. But what I see is Trump giving them hell... As we should all be accustomed to by now.Yes, he did tell her to go back to her own country. The context of the entire statement suggested if she was displeased in how our country is being run, go back to your own country which is corrupted and in need of fixing... He then said more or less to then come back. It seems you are only choosing to look at one statement and not put the entire tweet into the full context.
Sharlee, I think we can agree it is a fact that President Donald Trump's tweet referred to "Progressive Congresswomen."
It is those on the left who made it about race. I do wonder why they didn't play the sexist card since he did mention CongressWOMEN. I guess they felt that race would get them more traction. So, they chose a victim card and race was it.Yes, they could have played the sexist card. Don't worry it's coming. I just can't understand how anyone that reads the tweets can see what Trump was going for. Well, It is clear he got what he was hoping for. These women have now become part of "The Biggest Show On Earth". Any and all Trump Rallies. The other night in North Carolina he gave a long list of these four women's socialist agendas. They wanted a center stage, they have it, and he will proceed to bring all their ideas to the general public.
Please supply some verbiage from the tweets that show racism. I realize your displeasure with the president. Which I am sure you have coveted from the night he was elected. This is your right. I simply hope to stop some in their tracks and make them have a look at three tweets that the media has made a circus out of. It does not seem too much to ask for what words in the tweets you find racist.
The president did not condone the chant. He has come out this morning with a statement disavowing himself from such a chant.Of course he condoned the chant. You can see he did nothing to stop it and just let it roll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sALwssmgB64
Please quit spreading fake news (again).I have as much right as anyone to post a tread. You have the right to ignore it or give an opinion. You gave your opinion. I am not spreading fake news. The president has denounced the chant. Not sure what part of my comment you found to be fake news? Perhaps you could inform me of what I posted was fake news? Please stick to facts, not what you have read into the context of any of my statements.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … y-n1031156
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49035505
"And you guys are focusing on 4 new congresswomen and ignoring the POTUS when he makes them out to be unpatriotic and anti-American."
Their own words have shown them to be unpatriotic.
Can you point out any verbiage in the tweets in question that shows any form of racism? No one has as of yet. Just deflected, and bashed Trump.
Time to realize this is ones again fed to keep some stirred up. When stirred up one has little time to get to the truth.
I know that right-wingers don't like Slate, but this is a composite of Trump's behavior as dividing us all.
How many of you can really dispute a substantial amount of the evidence presented in the article?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 … tion.html?I read the article. I'm going to be honest. 'Divide and conquer' seems to me to be a strategy of the left. I think if we are going to cast a critical eye in one direction we should, for the good of the country, open both eyes.
It seems these tweets have only increased Donald Trump's support from the women in his base.
“A panel of eight Republican women assembled by CNN were unanimously supportive of President Donald Trump in the midst of a controversy over his attacks against four Democratic congresswomen of color.”
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/republ … id/924896/"It seems these tweets have only increased Donald Trump's support from the women in his base."
As a woman, I was sickened to see women make such fools of themselves they did nothing but.yell at a podium, giving no solutions, no ideas, only pointing out problems they see in our sitting president. It is their jobs to pass the law, to submit solutions. Not just preach about what they feel are problems. These women are presenting themselves by exhibiting the same deminer as they accuse the president of, but on steroids.
I have tried to be reasonable in regards to this controversy, but it is getting difficult as the Right remains in a state of denial regardless of what evidence is presented.
Trump brings out Uncle Ben Carson on Fox to prove to everyone that his comments did not have racial overtones. Then he rallies in NC Bringing out those two nit wit women as support. Well, it is not good enough.
My idea of anti-American verses that from a Rightwinger will naturally always be different.
These congresswomen are just a temporary diversion, the focus will be on the race for the Democratic nomination, getting a candidate that can show America Trump as the fraud that he is.
I am seeing battle lines being drawn and I fear for the future of America. Anglos clearly supporting Trump (the only demographic that does)consistent across all economic/educational backgrounds, etc, against everyone else that are not so keen on his "stable genius". I know that minorities, particularly Blacks, are not in the mood for a repeat of 20th century abuse from the majority revisited.
Its just going to have to be a fight to the finish, the Rightwinger and their designs on society must be clearly liquidated at the ballot box before anymore damage is done to what I would like to believe is a multicultural democracy.
It's the cult of "Bozo Trump" Credenece, that's the ridiculously insane news, the good news is cults always come to an end sooner of later, typically a TRAGIC End but nevertheless they do end: Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite etc:Jake, I must not forget his callous treatment of the handicapped and infirmed with his tasteless attempt at humor.
What I am afraid of is that this cult is fundamentally who we are given the broad base support and stubborn adherence to Grand Pubba regardless of what he said and his behavior. This is what America is at its foundation? I certainly hope not. Trump has just given the cockroaches permission to come out from the shadows and come of into the mainstream.
I have a challenge to liberals.
If what President Donald Trump said about the Progressive Congresswomen was racist...please tell me what race he was disparaging.
I'm asking for a specific race.This discussion is a perfect example of the state of this country right now. Everyone is talking but no one is listening to the other person. It's all about being right and the other side is just wrong. We are not all cut from the same cloth. We have all had different experiences in this country. Why not just LISTEN and try to understand a view other than your own.
Watching that rally last night made me very afraid of the direction this country is headed. I really hope that we all can take a step back and breathe, and try to figure out how we can all communicate more effectively because if we don't the country we all say we love will cease to exist as we've known it.I don't believe the problem is listening. The problem is people who want to believe propaganda that fits their warped view of the world.
This is nothing new. They appear throughout history on both the right and left (fascism, communism). It's just that propaganda has flooded America in a big way in recent years, and weak-minded people are soaking it up.
I do agree that last night's rally is another scary example of the direction in which this country is headed.Trump's example of racism and dishonesty has divided this country by making his fans more like him in many ways.
If most of his supporters on here defending his rants were at last night's rally, they too, would have been chanting along with the others. Sad to say..Good point. Trump has made his followers more comfortable with admitting their worst thoughts and instincts.
I would have not chanted that sentiment under any circumstance. It seems liberals can hook into a concept and believe it wholeheartedly. I see it open season on making statements such as "If most of his supporters" on here defending his rants were at last night's rally, they too, would have been chanting along with the others".
I also have something to say in regards to those "on here" that dislike our president. It much appears they feel they have the right to be nasty, insulting, and overly obnoxious. I have also noted very little of that attitude exhibited by Trump supporters. Wonder why? Could it be some just have innate common sense, while others do not?
One only has to read any given tread to see where I got my view.
The truly sad part is that these 4 Congresswomen's lives are being threatened all because someone doesn't agree with you or like what you said. It's a really sad time in this country. I am not so proud of how the U.S. is being perceived by other world leaders. We used to be the country to set the example. It seems those days are over.
Hey, you want to hear threatening comments and experience violence, try wearing a MAGA hat. You will get all the threats and violence you want from the left without saying a thing. You just have to wear a hat. Then there is also the violence of ANTIFA, which the Democrat party owns. Conservatives being denied service in bars and restaurants and thrown out of bars and restaurants. So, these four Congresswomen are getting a taste of what it's like to be a Conservative. They they don't like it, realize Conservatives don't like it either.
Cmon, the right wing folks here can admit it, you are just as biased as you accuse the left of being, you are just viewing it from the other side of the looking glass.
The side of the glass that I as a black man cannot look through without accepting shame, self hatred and loathing. I have to hate myself as a human being to see things from the rightwing perspective.
I still say that you are all in a state of denial, you ignore evidence, time and time again of the President's participation in race based attacks, even while on the campaign. Someone said that Trump is political genius, well you folks better recognize something, that that is something most of the rest of us are yet to appreciate.
I have to resign myself to the fact that you can never see things from my point of view as obviously I seem to miss your points of Trump as the super patriot and that right wing perspectives are the "American" ones. There will be much more stark conflicts in the coming years where the opposite side of the pole will not be able to find any reasonable point of agreement. As the political power and influence of those traditionally marginalized groups increase, these issues will become all the more important. Love it or Leave it", or "go back to your own country" wont cut it.
Don"t be so confident about the results in 2020's electoral contest, it is only by a slight of hand, the Electoral College, that Trump won in 2016. Will he be as fortunate next time? We will see.I agree with a fair amount of what you've posted here. We already see a huge divide in America between right and left. It's unlikely that divide will ever be bridged.
We've already received a dose of what's coming to Americans. Good is being called evil and evil is being called good. This isn't just from a conservative point of view - I DO see that the rhetoric from Trump (whether racist or not) isn't helping the country work out its differences, but rather worsening them. And that's not what most want from a president. My point is that both right AND left are at times justifying evil, as long as it suits their point of view.
This will get worse, much, much worse.Well said. it's also a pattern throughout history. Extremism on either side breeds violence.
In the long run, violence eventually does lead to resolution because the cost otherwise is huge.It pains me to have to come to this conclusion. I see your point, Professor, as both sides contribute. But, whether you agree or not from my side of the looking glass in recent times the Right has proved more problematic.
The President of the United States cannot constantly and frequently be a source of division for so many. The President sets the example and whatever diabolical direction that we are moving in, he plays a starring role.
As someone said early, this is his personality. Well, that is not the temperament of the man who is POTUS."But, whether you agree or not from my side of the looking glass in recent times the Right has proved more problematic."
Won't contend with or agree with it Credence. But does it really matter who's "more problematic" at this point? The division is going to do the job regardless.
All I asked was for some to come down out of the clouds or get their head out of the sand, and point out just a bit of racist verbiage. It should be so simple. Yet no one has offered up the words to prove Trumps' tweets were racist. Yes, I know how much fun you all have philosophizing.
Credence....Would you appreciate the Electoral College more if your candidate had won?
FYI: I am a woman of color and I do not have any "self loathing" which you imply is a result of the Right. Read your history, man. Your Democratic friends were the one's who hung your race and mine on trees.
Republicans fought and died for your freedom and mine. If you believe that has changed much, you are mistaken. The Democratic propaganda machine is alive and well. Stop playing the victim. You have so much opportunity and so do I.
As for Trump's personal attacks on the so-called "Squad" (or is it "The
Firing squad?"), he should not disparage them. His tweets were foolish. I did not relish his comments at all. They were unnecessary, to say the least. Besides which, the four women are meaningless, except in the eyes of a few. Trump can easily run and win on his accomplishments.
The squad disparages and lowers themselves enough without his reminders. Trump did not need to go there. Some of his comments made me cringe.
The squad constantly demean themselves....and America....and Israel and that's not okay:
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- … escalates/
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar … h-pro-bds-
resolutionhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ayanna-pressleys-disturbing-progressive-threat
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ge … lysis.htmlOk, Savvy, you might be surprised to know that I support the Electoral College, albeit reluctantly.
First reason is I appreciate the idea of the founding fathers to give the smaller less populated areas a voice as part of bringing them on board.
The second reason is that it would take a Constitutional Convention to abolish it and you will never get three quarters of the states to agree to such a change.
Third, until recently, an outcome of a win based on the Electoral College over the popular vote had been exceedingly rare in American history. I saw no reason the rattle the apple cart over sominfrequent an occurrence.
But, I will become concerned if this outcome becomes the rule rather than the exception.
Savvy, I am not talking about 100 years ago, but here and now. Having a degree in Hisory, I am well aware that the political parties have changed allegiances and alliances over the last century, as should you. I am more concerned about whose side we are on and which party better reflects my preferences today in 2019 rather than 1919. Let's face it, Abe Lincoln is dead and this is not your Great great grandfathers Republican Party, not by a long shot. So, perhaps you need a refresher in American History.
I am not sold on your GOP perspective, but it is yours to cling to. All I know is that Trump and GOP support among non-Anglo groups is not great. So, they can't all be playing the "victim", do you think. I have serious concerns as to the direction this society is moving in in virtually every area. Am I a victim if I am not pleased with the status quo and want some changes made?
Your idea of what is a demeaning stance from an American point and what that means to me are two different things, and you cannot prove the validity of your perspective over mine.
Also, I did acknowledge that it takes two to tango, and the women provoked the President but his behavior and response was not presidential and he needlessly brought more attention to himself, the negative kind.
We will just have to let the electorate decide in 2020
Great chatting with you....Dear Credence.....I pray the Electorate will remain extant and that Democrats will NOT be successful in abolishing the Electoral College as they wish to do. But unlike progressives and your friends in ANTIFA, we will accept the results of 2020, without violence, whichever way they turn out.
I agree that the president brought negative attention to himself, even if his intent was to magnify how far left Democrats in Congress have gone. The good news is that most voting Americans are not quite ready to accept radical antisemitism, socialism or infanticide.
You are not a victim anymore than I am. You can stop playing the race card now. It's time to appreciate the opportunities we have and which have become greater within the past 2.5 years. Maybe it is time for the Left to begin denouncing the squad's hatred and racism, for a change. As for my Party, we're good."But unlike progressives and your friends in ANTIFA, we will accept the results of 2020, without violence, whichever way they turn out."
Quite frankly, I will believe it when I see it.
Many of us are opposed to Netenyahu and Israel foreign policy, Anti-Semitism is a tool that has always been and currently is a part of the Rightwingers toolbox.
I don't consider reining in abuses of the Capitalist system as Socialism as the Rightwinger is so quick to do.
The abortion issue is quite controversial and to think that the views of the prurient are going to rule the day across the country is just another fantasy of the Right.
Nobody is talking about victims, Savvy. The issue goes beyond race, it extends to social class, structural inequality, saber-rattling militarism, corruption in government instituted by the Corporate class. Donald Trump is the epitome of all these things, just to mention a few. This boorish, cowardly man will open his ample book of dirty tricks and I am concerned that the Democrats are naive as to the depths that both he and the GOP will descend to to remain in power
So, I am not so much a victim as an adversary, an adversary of every right wing, reactionary idea and supporter. Which I will certainly make loud and clear during the Fall of 2020.“Anti-Semitism is a tool that has always been and currently is a part of the Rightwingers toolbox.”
“The abortion issue is quite controversial and to think that the views of the prurient are going to rule the day across the country is just another fantasy of the Right.”
I see. Thank you, Credence, for letting me know that your arguments regarding serious matters are not serious. Not uncommon among your Party, by the way.
Your friends in ANTIFA will not resolve anything. I can only hope you'll come to realize that one day.
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago0
Does this make you proud of our president and our citizens? Is this the type of nation we want to be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQ4yysGGbcThank you for posting this link. It certainly is important to hear and see this kind of rhediric.
No this is not something anyone can be proud of. However, in my opinion, the four women that are at the center of the controversy certainly are not something we can be proud of either. At the press confernce, they held they spewed vile comments about the president.
And they have that right, it's called freedom of speech. We all have it. So anyone that screamed "send her back' had the same right freedom of speech. Hate begets hate... No one wins when both are wrong.
I have added a link to the Squads press conference in full. Hopefully, some will listen, and see my point. Two wrongs never make a right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2A4KndU-g
Let me just see if I've got this straight. In your mind, anyone who addresses racism in this country is probably a racist?
Addressing racism is one thing. Using it as a tool to beat down those who disagree with you and as a victim card to play when you feel overworked or things don't go your way is another.
Racist is the most overworked, misused term in our country right now. You don't even have to mention race to be accused of being a racist. You can just pick the opposite side of an issue and be called a racist.
I have a black friend who wore a MAGA hat and had a white woman tell him HE was a racist. You would be surprised how some white women feel they get to lecture black conservative men. Candice Owens is a black female who was called a racist and told to leave a restaurant. Jessie Peterson is a black radio personality who was kicked out of a cab in New York City and called racist and other names because HE dared to wear a MAGA hat.
So, if black conservative are called racist by white liberal women, what value does the word even have any more?You gotta marvel at this kind of thing or it will drive you nuts.
Well, we can certainly have a conversation about people who misuse the term racist and whether or not it is overall a serious problem.
But I have to tell you, if somebody told me that charges of racism in this country are a bigger problem than racism itself, I'd probably assume that person was a racist. That said, several African-Americans have slammed the over-reliance on racism as an excuse - Bill Cosby and Clarence Thomas come to mind."Well, we can certainly have a conversation about people who misuse the term racist and whether or not it is overall a serious problem."
Yes, this is a very serious problem. To call anyone a racist without any form of provocation is not only wrong but it's also dangerous. One should be very sure of racism before condemning a person of racism.
I have not noted anyone in this thread listing verbiage from the Trump tweets that prove racism? Yes, many are giving conclusions to what they feel the tweets meant. This is dangerous and can promote mistruths. The words in the tweets should be taken as they were written, and read in full to conclude there meaning.Your ignorance of American history is shocking. Be glad that citizenship doesn't require a history test.
So Aharlee01, how many acts of abominable racsim and racist remarks does an unholy mental midget have to provide the public before his last remaining cultees realize the TRUTH that this illegitimate clown in our oval office is not only a Russian Poodle but a bona fide RACIST?
You could have the very same futile debate about the Earth being either flat or round and instead of remaining in a state of DENIAL of Donald's racism why not just say, well, he does and says atrociously racist things but he's not a racist: At least you'd be FLIRTING with the TRUTH:
He's a racist, get it ?? And if we still have valid laws in this country, he's also a charlatan fool headed straight to PRISON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcwAnd what did my comment have to do with history? I thought it had more to do with English, sentence construction and context of the written word? You amaze me... You seem to not be able to focus. You philosophize without ever getting to the core of any given problem being discussed. Your comment leaves me baffled. American History?
Holy cow. You know, you got me. I think I'll attend a KKK rally. According to Trump, they are good people.
I have never heard the president say the KKK were good people? I think you are referring to his quote saying and some were good people. Please listen to Trump's full explanation of the Charlottesville incident. I think if one listens to the entire explanation that one can clearly see when he made to good people on both sides he was referring to the citizens of Charlottesville that had a permit to protest the removal of a statue and the renaming of a park. He fully denounces Neo-nazis and white nationaliat. But some media did not report that.
Hopefully, you will listen to his words in their entity. The context in full is important to determine what the president meant, not just a sentence or two that the media reported slanting what he said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bsThat must be why he retweets (therefore... follow the logic here... he must also read them/follow them) white nationalists.
Oh, and here's the Illinois GOP at work.
No big surprise, Crank. Especially in today's political morass.
I must ask. but I know I will be sorry I did. Do you have a resource that shows the Illinois GOP created this photo? A link with some form of actual proof would be nice. Where did you find this photo?
Of course. Just look it up.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/illinois … 9fd32e93d8
It's reported everywhere except for your Fox News. I checked the site myself. No surprise.
"None, but he sure has gone for the "throat" of many other women in congress. I don't think he discriminates when passing out insults."
The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions.
The number of white American women Donald Trump has ever told to go back to the "places from which they came" is zero.
He has only ever said it American women with brown skin.
So he has, in fact, discriminated when it comes to telling women to go back to the "places from which they came".
I remind you of your the definition of racism you provided:
"rac·ist
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noun
1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."
Donald Trump's tweet is therefore, by your own definition, racist.The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions. "
Agree, one difference, they came in legally.
We must agree to disagree, I don't feel the tweets in question were meant to be racist.Are you suggesting the parents of these four congresswomen entered the country illegally? I haven't heard that. Do you have a source to support the accusation?
Regardless, the four women themselves did not enter the country illegally (3 of them were born US citizens and one became a US citizen legally).
And luckily reality is not based on what you "feel". It's based on facts.
It is a fact that the number of white American women Donald Trump has ever told to go back to the "places from which they came" is zero. He has only ever said it to American women with brown skin. That is discrimination based on race. By your own definition, that is racism. The only way its not is if you change the definitions of "discrimination", "race" or "racism".DOn wrote - "Are you suggesting the parents of these four congresswomen entered the country illegally? I haven't heard that. Do you have a source to support the accusation?
No, I am not suggesting that these women's parents came in Illegally. How would you have ever come to that deduction?
Don's comment
The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions. "
My response - Agree, one difference, they came in legally.
We must agree to disagree, I don't feel the tweets in question were meant to be racist.
As you can see I w referring to your comment " The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the million"
This statement is not referring to the four congresswomen at all???
All of them. OK. And you know this because... they're white? Right?
By the way, who of the 4 congresswomen came here illegally? AOC parents are Puerto Rican, so they are american citizens. Ayanna Pressley's parents are from Ohio. Omar and her dad were both refugees and got asylum. Rashida's parents are Palestinian immigrants. Were they first here illegally?"All of them. OK. And you know this because... they're white? Right?"
I DID NOT POST THIS COMMENT - "The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions. "
This is not my comment, it is a comment I was responding too.
I have no idea about this statistic, neither do I care?
My response to the statement - Agree, one difference, they came in legally. (I made no mention of a race?)
We must agree to disagree, I don't feel the tweets in question were meant to be racist. -
I am well aware the four congresswomen are all American citizens. Not at all sure why you would assume I was not aware of that fact? I have not in any respect questioned their citizenship.
Not sure why you took offense at my comment and insinuated I was exhibiting racism? I certainly was not in any respect making a racist statement. Unless you find my pointing out that generations of immigrants came in legally. At any rate, not willing to be baited by your opinion. I consider this is the kind of attitude that keeps racism alive and well.If you are going to quote...
"The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions.
The number of white American women Donald Trump has ever told to go back to the "places from which they came" is zero.
He has only ever said it American women with brown skin."
Your answer:
"Agree, one difference, they came in legally."
So, that one difference...Not sure if you are understanding the conversation I was having with Don? I was pointing out that in generations that have passed most migrants came in legally. No more no less...
Yes, You are correct, Trump has never made a statement telling any other brown-skinned women or any white women to "go back to where you came from. I am not sure why my opinion on the tweets is being taken so seriously. I am one person, and I have learned to make every attempt not to condemn without very good proof. I just considered verbiage when reading the tweets. I am not willing to add or read in that it was meant to be racist.
I fully respect your opinion, please if not respect at least accept mine although different than yours.In that case, I'm not sure I understanding the conversation you were having with me either.
Here's the source of confusion:
Me: "The number of white American women who have families that originated from other countries within the last three generations is in the millions. . . The number of white American women Donald Trump has ever told to go back to the "places from which they came" is zero . . . He has only ever said it American women with brown skin".
You: "Agree, one difference, they came in legally".
Let's clear this up, who are you saying came in legally?
I will admit that white liberal women calling black conservatives racists does seem ironically funny.
Oh, and just by the way, AOC criticized conditions at the border and in return got a Facebook group where videos were posted advocating her violent rape. So she's not dealing with anything.
It is quite difficult not to become anti-American given the current ugliness of US politics. I find I can no longer read books by US authors or watch US films. This is rather worrying.
I am well used to filtering out deliberate manipulation and hate mongering from politicians but the guy is getting to me.
Picking on women is his thing. Picking on vulnerable minorities is his thing. I can no longer contain my loathing for him.
It spreads a stain across all Western democracies, empowering worthless politicians across the world and the worst impulses of their populations.
I need to find some stuff from the US that is worthwhile (on a moral and emotional level) before it is too late, lol.I understand how you feel. As an American, I'm disgusted and discouraged along with many other people I know by a racist and hate-mongering President.
I'm also disgusted and discouraged by the immoral people who embrace his behavior -- including posters on here.
But some bad Americans doesn't mean all Americans are bad. And many other countries aren't exactly doing much better, you know?
Let's hope Russia doesn't vote Trump back into office next year.It is a relief to know you are ready with a new conspiracy theory long before Trump wins in 2020. It certainly confirms my theory that there will be one. Just did not think it would be Russia once again. I guess it's as good as any.
Trump and his followers are responsible for garbage like this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … t-n1032281Your silly baiting does not work any longer. Stay up the on your pedestal. I mean, it is clear you need too. Again I am pleased to see you have already developed a good conspiracy theory for Trump's win in2020. It will give you more comfort than Playdough. And by the way, it's people like you that put Trump in the WH, and will once again. You see many of us can still see very clearly where the country was headed under "all kind of crazy". LOL
Maybe you can try harder to stay on point.
Who is responsible for death threats against AOC and fake videos of people raping her?
Is it just a coincidence that they happen at the same time that Trump is making inflammatory speeches and Tweeter posts against her?Who knows who is responsible.
But a good guess might be the Democratic leaders. Given that it makes great copy and can be used to demonize the president, and given that they are using the illegals as a pawn in their game of demonization, it seems quite reasonable that they would use AOC as just another pawn. People - individuals whether citizens or not - mean absolutely nothing compared to the desirability of removing their nemesis - Trump - from the highest office in the country. All else pales, and AOC just doesn't carry the power to keep her out of the pawn status.So you believe the threats and videos are made by the left for purposes of blaming the right? Okay......
And Dems support this garbage. Need more, I have it.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/07/0 … ay-vpx.cnn
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash … epublicans
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/s … ginia.htmlWhataboutism. Deflection. Not staying on point again.
Regardless, one mentally ill shooter is not the same as the President of the United States.
Do you condemn death threats against AOC or not?"Whataboutism. Deflection. Not staying on point again."
PROMISEM WROTE:
Trump and his followers are responsible for garbage like this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … t-n1032281
So silly... I was on point, gave you a bit back that you gave. Was just responding to your post? Not sure how I deflected?
"Do you condemn death threats against AOC or not?"
I condemn any form of death threats."Whataboutism. Deflection. Not staying on point again."
PROMISEM WROTE:
Trump and his followers are responsible for garbage like this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … t-n1032281
So silly... I was on point, gave you a bit back that you gave. Was just responding to your post? Not sure how I deflecte?It's like your blind.
Trump has been retweeting a known bigot/racist from the UK named Katie Hopkins. In 2016, Trump retweeted several white nationalists including one with the name "White Genocide". In fact, four of the openly racist accounts Trump retweeted have been banned by Twitter.
Can you say "pattern of behavior"? Generally, I'd say that people who retweet white nationalist propaganda are racists. And even if you didn't have a mountain of evidence of past behavior, just telling four women of color to go back to their home countries would constitute racist behavior.
Tell me again, if you just randomly walk up to some black guy and tell him to "go back to Africa", is that racist?No, it's like your blind, and I see no point in continuing this conversation. It's apparent you do not respect my opinion as I do not respect yours at this point.
Are people who read white nationalists and retweet their vile, bigoted statements vile and bigoted? Are they racist? Do they judge others based on the color of their skin?
It would be racist to retweet a racist statement. You presume just because Trump retweeted a sentiment that he knew that the person was a WN? I would have to see the statement he retweeted to judge if the statement was racist? Do you have a particular statement in mind? I don't think I have ever witnessed Trump retweeting a racist statement. I assume you are sure he retweeted known racist sentiments. Could you provide a link to the statement?
You are making a big leap to make the assumption if Trump retweeted someone else tweet he knew the person to be a white nationalist? Do you have a specific tweet where you feel he did this? Please post the link, I have not read any tweets that Trump posted that were racist.
I completely agree. President Trump has done so much for the colored people that it would be ridiculous to not give him the benefit of the doubt.
Whataboutism... Really the congress being shot well proves a person can be targeted possibly due to rhetoric. Just like the rhetoric the squad is facing. It very well could end up in someone being the recipient of violence. This kind of rhetoric is being practiced by both parties. And in this case, Whataboutism is providing an actual result of hate rhetoric.
I appreciate the link. As I said I was unable to find the source of the photo. I don't condone this kind of photo.
There is not much I can do about it at the moment. I hope it passes. Let's face it, hatred of huge swathes of humanity is the extreme rights life blood.
But Trumps attacks are finding their mark. Just as ISIS found its mark on 9/11 and stirred hatred towards Muslims.
Rational thought flies out the window, along with all decency.
Odd that some just can't see what is in front of them?
Here is an example of how dedicated the left is to turning anything into a topic of race. Ivanka Trump got a dog for her daughter that was all white. THAT is being judged by those on the left as racist. Talk about ridiculous people!
"The criticism of Ivanka Trump's dog choice continued on Sunday.
"American actress Nancy Lee Grahn tweeted, "How darling. I see you skipped a rescue and went straight to an Aryan breeder."
"Does it sit and sieg heil yet?" Grahn asked, referring to a victory salute at political rallies used by Nazis."
https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-d … er-1450493If the dog had been all black, or brown, that would have been racist. White with black spots, racist. Mostly black, racist. Mostly white, racist. Hairless, racist.
I will just say it... Everything must be pointed out as racist. It works to keep many people of color feeling lesser human beings. Sad, because people of color have fought every inch to rid themselves of these feelings. And most have. The Dems have always used racism to try to add to their base. Sad, and disgusting. This is my opinion, and I don't care what the philosophers here on HP think about my opinion. I am well over to their placating to their nonsensical views.
The whole "you're a racist" thing is creepy. The far left is ALWAYS looking for signs that a person harbors racist thoughts of some kind. And yet, most people have had or do have a bigoted thought from time to time; not sure if those on the far left who're constantly searching for this in others would acknowledge it though.
I truly believe President Trump may be one of our greatest civil rights Presidents in history. He had done more for the blacks than many other Presidents.
Yes, his remarks were certainly racist and he meant them to be. His base will pretend they aren't and will tie themselves into knots doing so. We see it here on this thread as plain as day.
It's very difficult to admit you've been totally fooled by a criminal conman, and some never will.
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