So Now, the Press is Enemy of the American People According to Trump?

1. 81

   Credence2posted 8 years ago

   To refer to the "press as the enemy of the American people' in the terms he did was the epitome of stupid. This was attacked by many GOP as attacking the very foundation of America Democracy, the Fourth Estate.
   
   So many people think that I am picking on Trump, but I am not Charlie McCarthy, Trump is speaking while I don't see anyones lips moving. Why do you continue to bring this kind of attention to yourself, when you know that there is going to be a political price to pay because of it?
   
   Those of the kinds of statements that come from the mouths of tinhorn dictators. He likes to cast himself in the model of Andrew Jackson, but he is coming off more like Benito Mussolini. Even Hitler was more intelligent and had a little more subtle approach in his style.
   
   I don't have to beat him up, he is beating himself up, just as I anticipated.
   
   Supporting article below, is it fake news, Conservatives?
   
   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/busi … .html?_r=0

   replyreport
   1. 0

      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      As a matter of fact yes !  NYT  You are seriously going to go with them as a neutral source ?
      
      
      The new York Times is the epitome of Fake .

      replyreport
      1. 81

         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         You want to check out CBS Face the Nation. How many places do you have to see the quote before you believe? What did McCain say?
         
         The rightwinger got caught with britches down this time and I am going to kick where the sun don't shine.

         replyreport
         1. 0

            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            How blind , first , McCain,  although I admire him greatly  for his work and military sacrifices and history ,is a registered independent and  part of the established swamp in DC, He likes his job ! So much for what you know about "right-wingers". All of you were caught with your pants down ,  right  , center  and left  .
            Secondly , CBS has been for some time  an entity of  Fake News .
            
            As usual Credence , better catch up on real  current events .

            replyreport
            1. 81

               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               So you admire McCain, do you really think that he would lie to bring down Trump? What does a 'swamp' have to do with that?

               replyreport
               1. 0

                  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  We can add Kasich, Lindsey Graham, General Mattis and a growing number of other Republicans who apparently are liars as well.
                  
                  Don't forget the leaders of Britain, Australia, Sweden and a lot of other traditional U.S. allies too. They also are lying.
                  
                  We should invade every one of them for daring to disrespect Trump and his supporters. 

                  replyreport
            2. 82

               Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, let's rely on completely inexperienced know-it-alls to determine whether or not Trump's words & actions are good or bad for this country. I agree with Credence, McCain wouldn't be saying stuff like that just to belittle Trump: he's concerned, and he has WAY more experience.
               
               I know, knowledge & experience are looked down on by Trump & Co: it is why they label just about EVERYTHING as 'fake news'. Trump has used his 'keep lying 'til they believe it' tactic too well. I doubt McCain is the only right-winger / Independent or whatever who is concerned about Trump. McCain has always spoken up when he thinks someone is doing something wrong - including Obama. There is no conspiracy behind his words.
               
               As far as the swamp goes - Trump emptied it all right, then he filled it with worse politicians & para-politicians.
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               

               replyreport
   2. 60

      Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Although I am firmly supportive of a free press I can't garner a great deal of sympathy. They did everything they could to completely ignore what gave rise to Trump's popularity. They pushed the idea that anyone who supported him was a backward, ignorant racist. They showed absolutely no regard for the valid reasons many in America have become fed up. Their arrogant disregard for any opposing view is behind the lack of love they are being exposed to now and the lack of outrage at Trump's remarks.
      
      If they would report the news fairly and without bias and stop attempting to mold public opinion into something they choose then a larger percentage of the public might consider them a truly free press. With all of their faults I 100% support them but their faults are obvious.
      
      Edit. I hope you appreciate the fact that I don't copy and paste so many cartoons that it takes an entire page on the thread.

      replyreport
      1. 81

         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         L toL if you noted Trump attacked ALL the press, not just that portion he saw as leftist. This gives me the impression that he has a disregard for a free press in general. That is unamerican.
         
         What is your alternative to a free press? I don't have to tell you what the historical alternatives were?
         
         
         The left is not afraid of the free exchange of ideas with the people being allowed to do due diligence as to what is true and false. The Right has got its Infowars, Fox, Brietbart, Limbaugh, etc. So, why is the Right so afraid of an educated citizenry making its own determination as to what is fake news or otherwise? Is this some snarly attempt to introduce censorship?

         replyreport
         1. 60

            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Trump is not the right. He's Trump. That's all. That said, you can see why your comments are, to me, ridiculous and do not warrant response.

            replyreport
            1. 81

               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You're making excuses and being evasive. What do you mean that Trumpmdoes not represent the right, well he certainly is not liberal? The protests against him are not coming from conservatives.
               
               The comments don't warrant a response from youbecause you deliberately choose not to listen....
               
               But that's OK, because there are plenty of others that will listen and are taking action in response.
               
               I. Don't think that we are asking a great deal for the POTUS and leader of the free world to refrain from saying things of an incendiary and stupid nature?

               replyreport
               1. 60

                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Honestly credence.  Your complaints are no different from the ridiculous ones the hubbers on the right keep throwing out. I guess I'll stop bothering to read yours, like I do hers. What's the point?

                  replyreport
                  1. 81

                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     This issue is about the principle of free press, when the President describes a free press as an enemy of the people, I am concerned. And you are not?
                     
                     I think that is more than a trivial complaint with Trump making the kinds of statements that continue to get him into trouble without any help from me.
                     
                     I am just the messenger, but message remains, but I don't have any photo captions to add.

                     replyreport
                     1. 0

                        promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Media haters like Trump and his supporters don't want the truth. They want to hear what supports their beliefs.
                        
                        If they don't like what they hear, the media is wrong, "dishonest" and "biased".
                        
                        They would rather be wrong and have a mentally unstable president elected by Russian intelligence than have a democracy with a stable Constitution.

                        replyreport
         2. 0

            promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            People who hate the media often have a gross misunderstanding of how it works.
            
            If 100 people tell reporters that Trump made fun of a disabled person at a speech, media haters blame the media for reporting what those people say instead of Trump for his actions.

            replyreport
            1. 81

               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Promisem, authoritarian thinkers need to control what people see and hear. Nixon knew that he was in trouble, but he was smart enough not to pour gasoline on a raging fire with ill-considered comments.
               
               For me, Reagan was anathema, but he was at least smart enough to not make enemies of the press corps.
               
               So, there is no reason why conservatives in political office cannot be successful and avoid raising the ire of everyone. One just has to be prudent and use a little discretion to be smart enough to not go around making enemies, many of those same people you will need for a successful administration.
               
               What do we have here with Trump, reckless and impulsive, just the kind of individual I want as leader of the free world with his fingers on 'the buttons'? The man can't even bridle his tongue, heaven help us when we get to the substantive stuff. If you are not willing to listen and learn as part of the job, then you are not taking it seriously.
               
               Is American democracy so fragile that the rants and ravings of one man are capable of bringing it all down?
               
               How long before others finally figure out what we already know?

               replyreport
               1. 0

                  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm afraid they won't get it until we end up with something that finally wakes up people, like the kind of violence we saw in the 1960s (or worse).

                  replyreport
                  1. 81

                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     You know, Promisem, I don't think that we will need to go that far.
                     
                     1. Trump has already got a taste of the limitation to his power by the courts
                     
                     2. I still believe that Trump has serious divestiture and conflict of interest issues that the GOP has been trying to sweep under the rug, but will, in not too much time rise with a vengeance. That is his biggest vulnerability one that can send him packing prematurely.
                     
                     3. People will turn on him when they realize that all the economic promises he has made are not likely to occur in any practical way anytime soon.
                     
                     4. The sheer number and nature of protests will drive the narcissist over the edge with frustration and he will react in a typical fashion, rashly and disproportionately to the events and what actually  lies behind them.
                     
                     5. If his Low level of popularity continues, it will effect the GOP brand and the outcome of midterms next year, bringing in more Democrats, slowing him and his agenda to a crawl.
                     
                     I will be watching closely......

                     replyreport
                     1. 76

                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        "3. People will turn on him when they realize that all the economic promises he has made are not likely to occur in any practical way anytime soon."
                        
                        And yet when some of Obama's first words after taking office were that we would have to re-elect him to see results it didn't matter.  Guess it's all in which party is lying, isn't it?

                        replyreport
                     2. 0

                        promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I suppose it depends on the level of divisiveness in this country. If it keeps growing, the odds of civil unrest and even violence go up.

                        replyreport
                  2. 0

                     ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     How shallow . We are in a time  of worse public violence than in the sixties ,   its just that liberals see through totally rose colored glasses  at the rioting , inner city crime , corporate crime ,  prison crime , gang crimes etc............better beef up on your current events .
                     
                     This is where you probably give me Georgetown , Berkeley or  WSU  statistics  and "facts ".
                     >.................................................................................................

                     replyreport
                     1. 81

                        Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        You and I both know that the levels of violence and protests today are far less than that experienced during the 1960s,     
                        
                        So far.....

                        replyreport
                     2. 0

                        promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Really? Not the Chicago riots at the Democratic national convention? The Kent State shootings by the Ohio national guard? The SDS bombings? The nationwide riots that took place after the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy?
                        
                        Yes, they were peaceful times. 

                        replyreport
                  3. 60

                     Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Sadly, this is like the violence from the sixties. A small percentage of people with a valid beef and a large group of people who just want to be part of something. Have you noticed? When the news media goes out to interview a lot of people don't have a clear idea of why they are there; or they can't articulate well enough to explain why.

                     replyreport
                     1. 0

                        promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        The people I know who marched in Washington are very clear in their beliefs.

                        replyreport
   3. 0

      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Like Hitler and other dictators, Trump needs an enemy that he can use to whip up his supporters. It was Hillary Clinton until she lost the election.
      
      Now that Trump's poll numbers are plunging, his new enemy is the media.

      replyreport
2. 81

   ptosisposted 8 years ago

   The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!
   
   If Trump contradicts his own aides, managers, spokes people and own VP within minutes/hours then where is the 'fake news coming from? Perhaps it is just chaos at the top.
   
   White House contradictions around the abrupt departure of Flynn. Spicer and Conway's accounts can't both be true.
   
   "He lies, he lacks understanding of crucial issues, his White House is already riven with scandal and warring factions, and he’s dismissing the US Constitution by attacking the media." - http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-crisi … eed-ahead/
   
   
   

   replyreport
3. 0

   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Anyone notice the imbalance of criticism against conservative "Fox News  " and yet -- they are one of the many mainstream media , Liberals certainly don't but Not even the media understands "fair and balanced "?

   replyreport
   1. 82

      Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The news isn't about presenting one single angle like you would like them to: only write GOOD stuff about Trump, right? Perhaps he should do something good to get that kind of coverage.
      
      This claim that all the big news media outlets always publish fake news is ridiculous. Anyone who writes a story for these people are going to slant it whatever way their sensibilities sway them to slant it. That presents us with hundreds if not thousands of different angles on any one subject. That's what free press is. There is truth in all of them, but who's truth do you want to hear?
      
      Trump started this 'everything is fake news except what comes out of my mouth' crap while he was on the campaign trail; and it has been an obviously effective tactic for his simple-minded supporters to embrace. They can see the blantant lies, scary inexperience & argumentative contradictions within the current administration - they just can't process them or accept them. Its amazing how brainwashed some people are.
      
      If you're a T-fan, you like media that presents Trump as the best president ever. If you're not, you don't. They are not making up his words or what they mean: he & his band of hoodlums say what they mean and mean what they say. In fact, they stand behind every word & action no matter how contradictory or obviously-manipulative it is. That isn't fake news. Its just Trump & his cronies getting mad every damn time something negative is said about them.
      
      Don't get all of your information from one or even a couple of places that directly caters to you and your ideals, and you'll get a far better grasp about what is actually going on in the ENTIRE country. Why? Because until Trump's disposition starts acting & talking like a decent human being who actually cares about something beyond his own gargantuan ego - the news coming out about him won't change. HE has to change. He is reaping what he sowed & so are his unreasonable, fanatical supporters.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      

      replyreport
4. 81

   ptosisposted 8 years ago

   The White House on Friday barred news outlets — including CNN, the New York Times, Politico and the Los Angeles Times — from attending an off-camera press briefing held by spokesman Sean Spice
   
   https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of … er-2242017
   
   untelevised press conference & banned press:
   
   Q    One more question just about the idea that it seems as though you're playing favorites with media outlets by excluding some from this conversation.
   
   MR. SPICER:  You're my favorite.  (Laughter.) 
   
   Q    No, that's not what I'm asking.  But do you have a response to that, though, given that that is a concern to some that want to see press have access to you, all out?
   
   MR. SPICER:  No, I think that -- right -- I think that we have shown an abundance of accessibility.  We've brought more reporters into this process.  And the idea that every time that every single person can't get their question answered or fit in a room that we're excluding people -- we've actually gone above and beyond with making ourselves, our team and our briefing room, more accessible than probably any prior administration.  So I think you can take that to the bank.  When you look at --
   
   Q    But why not those other outlets today?
   
   MR. SPICER:  Because, Cecilia, there's 3,000 people that are credentialed to come in here.
   
   Q    But there are six outlets that want to be in here right now.  The New York Times --
   
   MR. SPICER:  No, there's not.  Actually, that is false.  To say that there are six -- maybe six that reached out to you, but that is not --
   
   Q    Well, but --
   
   MR. SPICER:  No, no, hold on --
   
   Q    -- listed in the White House Correspondents' Association's response to this.
   
   MR. SPICER:  I understand that.  There are way more than six that wanted to come in.  We started with the pool and then we expanded it.  So I get it.  But why -- I can ask -- there are plenty that want to come in at all times for every event.  We do what we can to be accessible.  And if there's a problem with that, I understand it.  But we do what we can to accommodate the press.  I think we've gone above and beyond when it comes to accessibility and openness and getting folks to -- our officials, our team.  And so, respectfully, I disagree with the premise of the question.
   
   Thank you.
   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   
   
   
       Breitbart, OANN, Washington Times are all in White House briefing. CNN and NY Times (and LA Times) not allowed in.
   
       — Noah Bierman (@Noahbierman) February 24, 2017
   
   “A few days ago, I called the fake news media the enemy of the people, and they are,” the president said. “They are the enemy of the people.”
   
   "Fox News chief White House correspondent John Roberts said on air that his network will join others in protesting the exclusion of certain outlets."

   replyreport
   1. 0

      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You obviously don't remember Obama's voiced Hatred of Fox alone !

      replyreport
      1. 81

         ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Of course I do, it was even mentioned in the link. At that time the press united and fought for Fox to stay. And guess what, in same link given, Fox is reciprocating same unity and support.

         replyreport
         1. 0

            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Would you have proof of other media souses supporting Fox ?

            replyreport
5. 0

   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Obviously as has happened at CNN , when the new left has infiltrated the influences of the mainstream - NOW - leftstream news media and the finally awakening American voter and public  has gained that incredible realization .
   There will now be much "hell to pay" .
   Keep up the good work Spicer .
   
   I actually remember when CNN came on line and was a viable and neutral news media source .
   
   

   replyreport