How To Argue That The Charlottesville Violence Is Absolutely Unaccepta

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  1. ptosis profile image73
    ptosisposted 12 months ago

    https://www.bustle.com/p/how-to-argue-t … able-76187

    Common Argument #6: Anti-racists and anti-fascists commit violence, too.

    Your Response: Setting aside that nobody was killed in the high-profile clashes in Berkeley earlier this year, much less plowed a car into a crowd of people, acts of violence committed in the name of white supremacy, racism, and neo-Nazism are not morally equivalent to acts of violence (or in many cases, simply property damage) committed in opposition to those forces.

    While it's perfectly fair for people to argue and disagree over whether violence from anti-racists and anti-fascists is ever acceptable, and where that, line is drawn, it is not morally equivalent to violence ― especially lethal violence ― committed in service of racist oppression.

    How To Explain White Privilege Exists: 7 Common Arguments, Debunked
    https://www.bustle.com/articles/67904-h … s-debunked


    This Is What White Supremacy Looks Like: Don’t be confused. Trump’s voters didn’t vote against their own interests, they voted for the preservation of white privilege—their paramount interest.  Retaining the value of a whiteness they believed to be increasingly devalued superseded everything else. Including their own livelihoods; https://www.thenation.com/article/this- … ooks-like/

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    The White Anti-Racism Tone Police: White Supremacy vs. White Privilege - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-ben … 61740.html

    "White supremacy refers to the system, white privilege refers to its benefits. The two are inexorably tied, but not the same thing."

    1. Live to Learn profile image79
      Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Your argument loses steam at the point you say 'Trump’s voters didn’t vote against their own interests, they voted for the preservation of white privilege—their paramount interest'

      Those who voted for Trump for those reasons would fit into your scenario. I would challenge you to explain how my vote was based on preservation of white privilege.

      I could just as easily proclaim that all who voted for Hillary were in favor of a government which exists only to enrich the politicians. Would that be a fair assessment of your reasons for voting for her in the general election?

      1. ptosis profile image73
        ptosisposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        How am I supposed to delve into your mind as to why you voted for Trump? Brain damage perhaps? You didn't have to vote for Trump nor Clinton. It was your choice.

        1. Live to Learn profile image79
          Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Just to clarify. You are accusing me of having brain damage. Correct?

          1. ptosis profile image73
            ptosisposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Being too easily offended is a form of self-victimization.

  2. abwilliams profile image26
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Wow "brain damage", seriously ptosis? Where's that loving, compassionate and understanding spirit that we are always hearing only liberals are capable of?

    1. ptosis profile image73
      ptosisposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      "Wow only liberals are capable of"

      Always good to hear advice 'dripping with condescension' about my manners.

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  3. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 12 months ago

    It never ceases to amaze me that someone arguing in defense of a liberal position can accuse those they perceive as the opposition of being less than feces, brain damaged, etc and get away with it without any type of response from Hub Pages monitors. Something seems amiss, in my book.

    1. ptosis profile image73
      ptosisposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Did you complain and mark my post? 
      If not then: Being offended without taking action does nothing to make the world a better place

      If did complain -and my post is still up?  Then,  instead of realizing that there is even a small percentage of a chance that you might be hypercritical - resort to condemning the entire HP for dereliction of duty.

      Perhaps I'm wrong and I need guidance.  I'm looking at the TOS right now. I don't see what you are talking about.

      Harass, threaten or intimidate? Nope. Sorry, but it’s your fault if you’re offended all the time.

      Fountain of Eternal Indignation
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      Go ahead mark my posts as being against TOS. I'm sure you already have. Your unnecessary censoring to suppress non-violent views so that nobody can disagree with your false sense of omnipotence is ineffective.



      Ok, I need to get this clarified. Is it against ToS to call someone bigoted, racist, etc? It seems falls under the category of insulting someone. If so, can we please put that up in the ToS?

      From another forum:
      The ToS already states no personal insults. To call someone a bigot, is aiming a negative statement at a person and their character, which constitutes a personal insult. Which may or may not be true, but personal insults have never been judged on whether or not they are true.

      However, if you are to say "What you just said comes off as very racist" or otherwise aiming the negative at the statement, it is a criticism of something the user said, rather than applying a negative to the user themselves.

      1. Live to Learn profile image79
        Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I did mark your post when you made the personal attack against Wilderness. I never mark posts when I think someone has broken the rules when speaking to me. I don't think. I may have, from time to time, when I felt the act severely broke rules that the speaker should have known they were doing. I don't give you as much credit as some, so you do get a pass.

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months ago

    Statues are rock and metal.  They do nothing.  The electoral college is based on racism and has impacted two of our last three presidencies.  This is the issue you should be fighting.  National Popular Vote Movement.  Is your state in?

  5. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months ago

    Damned straight.

 
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