Everything We Know About Russia & Pres. Trump - InteractiveTimelin

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  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 9 months ago

    Thought I'd share this link.  I found it fascinating. 

    "When it comes to Donald Trump, his campaign and their dealings with Russia past and present, sometimes it’s hard to keep track of all the players without a scorecard. We have one of sorts — a deeply comprehensive timeline detailing what actually happened and what’s still happening in the ever-changing story of the president, his inner circle and a web of Russian oligarchs, hackers and government officials.

    Since first launched in February 2017, the Trump-Russia Timeline has grown to more than 600 entries — and we will continue to add updates regularly.

    What have reporters and investigators already uncovered and made public? What are the connections and patterns? Review the timeline to see."

    http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      This is terrible!  Trump investigated building a tower in Russia, but the idea was dropped when he decided to run for the presidency.  A "politician" (if he can be considered that) exhibiting a sense of ethics - unheard of! Shouldn't we get such a scoundrel out of the White House, and pronto!?

      "Agalarov says he and his father had previously signed a letter of intent with their Trump counterparts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. “He ran for president, so we dropped the idea,” Agalarov says. "

      Worse, a man unconnected with the campaign got a loan from an investment firm: clear proof that Trump and Putin are buddies!

      "On the day he resigns from the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort records documents creating Summerbreeze LLC, a shell company he controls. Shortly thereafter, Summerbreeze receives a $3.5 million loan from Spruce Capital, a small New York investment firm. "

      And Comey - Comey says being around Washington too long is dangerous.   This has to prove that Russia fixed our election:

      "During lunch with Benjamin Wittes, Comey says he’s worried about Trump’s nominee for deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein. “Rod is a survivor,” he says, explaining that a person doesn’t survive for more than 25 years across Republican and Democratic administrations without making compromises."

      Truly, PP, if this is the kind of thing we're so afraid of it reminds me of chicken little.  An international businessman that looked into (and backed out of) expanding to Russia.  Another American got a loan from an American investment firm.  And recognition that long term politicians make compromises.  I certainly didn't look at 600 pieces of garbage, but if these are indicative of what is there I'm not interested and no one else with any sense is, either.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Okay.  I haven't read every piece, either, but the ones I read were simply detailing facts, without any implication of what the facts imply or mean.  Isn't that what a timeline is supposed to be?  In other words, it's simply of list of known items related to Trump and Russia.  I recall reading the Watergate timeline when I was in high school.  I don't recall anyone getting bent out of shape over it.

        I didn't state that the timeline proved anything, and though I haven't read every word in it, I bet it doesn't state that, either.

        Geesh.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          When it includes such things as the startling revelation that politicians compromise as a point important enough to set aside into it's own box I have to question whether anything there is of any value.

          Same goes for a businessman investigating normal, everyday business deals.  They are not pertinent to anything (in this matter) but a liberal witch hunt.  Of course Trump has had contacts, however tenuous, with Russians and, given his high flying stance prior to election, almost certainly the Russian government.  Exactly as he has done with the American government, English and a dozen more governments.

          They are not of interest.  Not to anyone not desperately searching for ridiculous reasons to sling mud.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Eh, when one does an investigation, one looks at everything. Comey's take is relevant, given he was the FBI director when the alleged Russian interference occurred.  Trump's contacts with Russia will be examined.  If they are meaningless to the investigation, there will be no problem.  Surely, you understand why they would at least be looked at?   These are just the known facts.  Mueller has access to WAY more information than is listed in this timeline.

            I really don't understand why you find a simple timeline offensive.  It is just information.  As I previously stated, I have not, as yet, seen any interpretations of, or conclusions about, this information anywhere in this timeline.  It is just information that is known.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              "If they are meaningless to the investigation, there will be no problem."

              Surely you jest.  There is a major problem whether any contact is found or not, as those with TDS have been screaming "foul" for many months, pretending they KNOW Putin and Trump are hand in hand in ruining our election.  Findings may well be meaningless to an investigation of wrongdoing, but that will not affect how those findings are treated in the minds of those that cannot contain themselves after losing an election.  Lies will be told, findings will be spun until they are as twisted as a little girls braid and NO ONE will ever give the full story.

              One only has to go back to the comments coming from the ODS (Obama Disorder Syndrome) crowd when he produced his birth certificate to see what will happen.  It was immediately declared fake, "proven" so with "scientific" analysis that made no sense whatsoever. 

              The timeline is not offensive.  The insinuations being made are.  You haven't seen interpretations, I haven't seen interpretations, but you know as well as I do that interpretations are being made in the minds of millions of people that hate Donald Trump with a passion.  Any and all possibilities become fodder for the mud mill and that is exactly what will be done.  Mark my words; we will see more cries for impeachment out of this, cries that zero basis for them but will further divide the country as the ignorant become convinced that there was evil afoot when a business deal was considered and discarded.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                So, in a nutshell, your objection is that a presentation of a timeline of known facts in the investigation will result in interpretations by the reader?

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  My primary objection to this presentation is that it is absolutely worthless...for deciding if criminal activity is present.  On the other hand, it is great for more wild accusations, spin and divisiveness. 

                  I guess I have yet to figure out what is being looked for.  It appears that those with severe TDS are simply looking for something, anything at all, that they can use to demonize the President.  This whole thing has gone through a dozen transformations as to what we knew and wanted to prove - it appears to be a never ending search for anything useful as a political weapon. 

                  And I do have a major problem with that.  Our political process has deteriorated into little but mud slinging, and that's not good for us or for the nation.  When we care far more about appearance and our ability to raise hatred and fear than we do about the nation we have a problem, and that's exactly what this is about.  A witch hunt, a desperate search for minor transgressions that can be turned into a bonfire by loudly shouting about nothing.

                  I don't care if Donald Trump knows a Russian citizen.  I don't care if he has a business connection there.  I don't even care that much if Wikileaks or some foreign government gave him dirt on Clinton - we live in a world wide society where every country and ever person on the planet has something to say about our politicians and a desire for an American president that will benefit them.  It's a fact of life, and we "participate" in their elections the same way.  To suddenly become massively concerned about it after losing an election is the height of hypocrisy.  IMO.

                  So, as far as I can see, this isn't about America, what it needs or what might harm it.  It is about finding political dirt on the President so that more hatred can be spread through the country.  It's about keeping an outsider out of American politics via innuendo and hate mongering.  It's all about spin and how to convince a gullible public that what is irrelevant is the most important thing in the world.  And it's about keeping the status quo in Washington right where it is - about our country being run by politicians and scoundrels whose primary concern is their personal fortunes and power rather than the people.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    So, your opinion of the timeline is that it is absolutely worthless.

                    How should the media present information about the investigation?
                    You already agreed the timeline did not offer any interpretation of the facts presented, so what method should the media use to report the known facts surrounding the investigation?

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Trump still hasn't divested himself from his businesses nor shown his income taxes either, like other modern presidents. Now he's between a rock and a hard place. Good enough for him...almost.

      1. colorfulone profile image84
        colorfuloneposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Trump's businesses are in a Trust, he has no association with it.  Like every president, President Trump is being audited, as soon as the audit is done his tax information will be released to the public.  Sarah Sanders was asked about Trump's tax info just the other day by a journalist that evidently can't remember that.

        1. Paul Winngert profile image60
          Paul Winngertposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Sarah Sanders = Orange POS' version of Bagdad Bob or Joseph Goebbels. Bad example. Goebbels was taken seriously at the time.

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            ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Liberals naively thinks it's got a laundry list of Trump / Russian related  collusion , and what they actually have are a couple of guys that lied to FBI "investigators ", Flynn for one .................nada .

            Now wanna make something out of that ? Please .............?

    3. profile image0
      ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Pretty Panther ;  I actually laughed when I saw your  source ,  It  actually is pretty sad if  we didn't   ALL  realize your  zeal for political / personal hatred of Trump .   

      And you say I'm biased  ?.........Use a real media source next time .

  2. colorfulone profile image84
    colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

    Comedy Central

  3. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    Wilderness . That post is brilliant  +++++++++++++++

 
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