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What does Donald Trump owe Russia for winning the election?

  1. capncrunch profile image75
    capncrunchposted 10 months ago

    What does Donald Trump owe Russia for winning the election?

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  2. blueheron profile image97
    blueheronposted 10 months ago

    Well, first of all, not a shred of evidence has ever been produced of Russia even influencing the election. Online articles on RT hardly qualify. Nor has a shred of evidence ever been produced that Trump colluded with Russia in any way. This is after a year of investigation, if I remember correctly. Secondly, a foreign embassy is not a "spy compound." Conversing with foreign ambassadors is something political figures, including presidents, do because that is their job. The is the main reason we have foreign embassies in the US, and US foreign embassies abroad. Perhaps you'd like to provide links showing that Trump is "Giving russia access to key positions in our gvt. Sharing classified intel with them. Insulting and degrading the usa. Stripping america of her power and influence in the world." I don't believe any of this has ever occurred, outside your delusional system.

    1. blueheron profile image97
      blueheronposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      The Russian diplomatic compound was seized, and 35 Russian diplomats expelled, because of allegations they were involved in hacking the US presidential election. Not a shred of proof has ever been produced that this occurred.

    2. bradmasterOCcal profile image37
      bradmasterOCcalposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Sharon, thanks for the sanity check.

    3. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Lol! Our intel, France intel, german intel and uk intel say they did. Who says no? Trumpski, fox news, breitbart and putin. I know who i trust. My country!

    4. bradmasterOCcal profile image37
      bradmasterOCcalposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      yd
      These intel have zero evidence. End of discussion!

    5. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Then why would they all say it?  End of nothing. They have tapes . Those russian espionage agents have been under watch for a while. Trumpski thought he was teflon don. Hes bought and threatened his way out of crime all his life. Not this time.

    6. capncrunch profile image75
      capncrunchposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      blueheron

      Thank you for your thorough answer.

    7. Daniel Gottlob profile image80
      Daniel Gottlobposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      There's a joint statement via the DHS in 10/2016 & the NSA memo leak to Intercept in June & etc,etc. I don't believe this election was veered off an "intended" course; but I don't share the same view that groups weren't trying to sway an outc

    8. Alternative Prime profile image77
      Alternative Primeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Sharon should READ the AVALANCHE of Reports Issued by our CIA, FBI & Intelligence Agencies which are UNANIMOUS when they ASSERT with Conviction, that Russian Agents i.e. Vladimir Putin who now CONTROLs Donny, Infiltrated the USA

    9. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Okay. Explain why Trump is obsessed with getting rid of Mueller and stopping a special investigation? Oh what fools you Trump supporters be. Get a conscience lady.

    10. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "Youll understand things better if you process what trump says as someone weaving an alternate reality for his fox watching friends"--peter dau

    11. ptosis profile image76
      ptosisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah so innocent forgot to write in on form for security which every ody has too to get TSC. Then fire 2 people i vestigating it. Looks legit to me (n¤t!)

    12. blueheron profile image97
      blueheronposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      The Deep State's main beef with Russia is that it has largely extricated itself from control by the international bankers and is for that and other reasons a threat to the petrodollar.

    13. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Congress, which is controlled by Republicans, just passed major sanctions against Russia for election interference.

      Are all of the Republicans in Congress imagining things? Are their investigative committees all wrong?

    14. Alternative Prime profile image77
      Alternative Primeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Sharon, if the USA ever needed a "DEEP State" it's NOW 2 Preserve & Protect OUR Nation from a Treasonous, Mentally ILL Coward ROAMING the White House Halls ~ If I'm not mistaken, Gen. Kelly JOINED that Resistance 2 PROTECT us from the INSIDE

    15. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      By end of august....toot toot tootsie, goodbye. Toot toot tootsie, dont cry. Only one i feel bad for is barron. Hopefully, the 3 with ivana will join dad in prison. Use our country, will you? Hey-- netanyahu is in criminal trouble, too. Im in heaven!

  3. bradmasterOCcal profile image37
    bradmasterOCcalposted 10 months ago

    Capcrunch

    Your question is floated on a false and factless premise.
    Donald Trump won the presidency from voters that wanted change from the traditional of both parties.

    They weren't happy with the Obama 8 years, nor the Bush(s) 12 years, and not Bill Clinton as well. There was no reason for these disgruntled voters to continue with tradition.

    HRC was the Obama successor, so why would they want another 4 or 8 years of Obama.

    It is clear from from the Stein and Johnson votes that most of the Bernie Sanders supporters didn't want to vote for HRC as they blamed her for Bernie dropping out of the race. The Russians nor any other foreign influence caused them to not vote for HRC.

    The republican party was not uniformly behind Donald Trump, so there is a question on how many republicans didn't vote for him.

    Another factor that caused HRC to lose the election by a landslide Electoral College victory was her lack of campaigning across the country. Trump won over 90% of the counties in the US, and that is what wins in the Electoral College.

    HRC supporters didn't change their vote from her for any reason. And that is evident in the democrat stronghold states of CA, NY and IL where she won the EC votes which accounted for 104 EC votes.

    So how did Russia or any other foreign country influence them to vote for Trump?

    HRC and the DNC spent $1.2 billion dollars in a Trump hate campaign instead of campaigning and spreading their goals to be accomplished in a democrat Hillary Clinton presidency. HRC didn't have any presidential goals other than saying it was her turn to be president. Her strategy was to claim the presidency for Women. Her campaign was Hate Donald Trump which doesn't do anything beneficial for the country or the people.

    The voters, especially women voters were smart enough to realize that the president should be chosen based on what they campaigned on, and not their gender.

    How did the Russians or any foreigners influence the Republican Primary for Trump to win it. The RNC and several heavy weight republican candidates were against him until Trump won it. Some even continued to be against Trump even beyond his winning the presidency.

    The media attack on Trump was relentless and they still are today. Gloria Allred, and NBC dropped some media bombs on Trump close to the election. Even though they were meritless they could have loss him the election.

    I have more but, I dn have enuf chars as 2500 nears.

    1. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Any woman who is ok with a man grabbing her p is not smart in the least.nor righteous, nor spiritual. Just partisan and full of hate for hillary and democrats.

    2. bradmasterOCcal profile image37
      bradmasterOCcalposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      yd

      This was an allegation of hearsay, it was never a deed like that of Bill Clinton whom we had actual dna proof. I think ml should give that dna evidence from her dress to the guy that claims Bill Clinton is his father.

    3. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Huh? Did you hear trump and billy bush or not? He bragged about grabbing womens privates...repub women said "oh donnie, grab mine!" Sickening.

    4. capncrunch profile image75
      capncrunchposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      bradmasterOCcal

      Sorry you were running out of characters for your answer.  I do appreciate your calm attitude when explaining your point with those who disagree.

    5. blueheron profile image97
      blueheronposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Get back with us when you locate an Amish grandmother who has never use vulgar language about the opposite sex. (My guess there are few such Amish grannies.) Of course, you yourself have never used crude language about the opposite sex.

    6. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      He is prez of us all.He hates democrats and insults women.And no, i have never in my life bragged that i can grab any guy by the crotch.Evah.The fact hes president, and you dont care says it all. Good luck complaining about politicians in the future.

    7. bradmasterOCcal profile image37
      bradmasterOCcalposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      capcrunch
      Thanks, I appreciate that.
      It would be nice if these others would read my comments and give me some feedback on it, instead of whatever it is they are doing.

    8. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "They weren't happy with the Obama 8 years, nor the Bush(s) 12 years, and not Bill Clinton as well. There was no reason for these disgruntled voters to continue with tradition." Well Said.

    9. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Who are these people??? As far as i can see, they were fine with the bushes. They just hated clinton and obama. There were no bush bashing signs after tarp...and hes the one who did it. Trumpettes are anti dem, not anti republican. Get real!

    10. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      He didn't win the presidency. Hillary had 3 million more votes than Trump. As for him winning the Electoral College, that too got help from Republicans changes or deleting Dems from voter maps.

    11. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      From the Washington journal: mcconnell and ryan took millions from a russian oligarch tied to putin.google rohrbacher and putin.this craziness since tea party? Russian active measures.The hate and the viciousness: Hi vlad.And hi fox, hate-talk-radio.

    12. profile image60
      Jack freelandposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Landslide victory? 3 counties with a total of 77,000 votes turned the electoral vote to Trump, hardly a landslide. We will see whether Russia had any influence with fake news and distortion. I will agree, HC was a bad candidate.  Trump is far worse.

    13. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      The reality is Sanders NEVER could have beat Trump. Trump had Russian hackers helping him every step of the way. We NOW have the proof of Sputnik, Guccifer 2 and RT hacking into DNC emails. Emails that turned up nothing criminal as usual. Trump BS.

    14. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Sanders was spouting the same smears that trump used. And he voted against sanctions on russia. Nor did he release his tax returns....and his people hacked hrc voter list! I do not trust him at all.

    15. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      If you have to ask how, you must be pretty dense. We know that Russia's hackers Sputnik, RT and Guccifer 2 hacked into DNC emails and then shared it with Wikileaks. The media is attacking a pig, slime ball who cheats to win at everything.

    16. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      And hardly attacking him. It is now known that what dumpy trump called to lock her up for is being done by himself and his staff. Front page news for hillary clinton 600 days straight. Pg 18 ny times when it comes to el presidente trump

  4. Ken Burgess profile image90
    Ken Burgessposted 9 months ago

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/c … mpany.html

    http://observer.com/2017/03/bill-hillar … porations/

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/email … le/2601514

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/03/29 … to-russia/

    The reality. 

    It really has been a brilliant campaign, all things considered, by a web of politicians and media types, to hoist upon the Trump Administration the very collusion and crimes the Clintons (and several others in D.C.) were themselves overtly guilty of.

    Sadly, we see how ignorant (or open to suggestion) the vast majority of Americans are, as they ignore the mountain of easily found evidence as to the truth in these matters... choosing instead to believe every fabricated and unfounded story against Trump and those in his Administration that can be created, no matter how far fetched.

    I don't mind people bashing on Trump, its not worth my time to defend him... but it would be nice when people choose to spend so much of their effort to denigrate him, that they at least open their eyes and review the truths, the facts, rather than dismiss them simply because they don't like the reality.

    1. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      You may think its brilliant to bully and abuse. I find it infantile! Heres my truth: hes a paedophile rapist and a thug.He worked with russia to steal our election. You going to open your mind to my reality?? Dont expect more from others than u give

    2. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Good. Now come to NJ and tell the taxpayers paying 6 of those Trump corporate bankruptcies how much you admire a liar and a crook.

    3. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Well said, Ken.

      Yes Dear, Ken is pointing out the hypocrisy of bashing Trump when the people doing the bashing are guilty of the same.

      (He also flat said Trump isn't worth defending.)

    4. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      No other pres has been under investigation and fired the one looking into them. No other pres has gone after their political opponent for vengaence after the election. No other pres refused to release tax returns. No other pres banned muslims.

    5. La Veezta profile image38
      La Veeztaposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Well said Ken. You should have included this clip. How do the democrats and the media get away with ignoring the real facts? https://youtu.be/3wgj70JDV9A?t=32

    6. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      We dont fall for "alternative facts". And we dont watch murdoch propoganda, listen to hate talk radio, or watch a man flap his arms around saying "duh, duh" and believe him when he says he does it all the time.To think y'all shamed obama for arrugula

    7. blueheron profile image97
      blueheronposted 9 months agoin reply to this
    8. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Streetwiseprofessor.com: "How do you know zerohedges is a russian intel operation? Heres how":
      READ IT

    9. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      The blockbuster revelation by Sy Hersh that Seth Rich was the WikiLeaks source destroys in toto the Russian hacking theme and charges. If it was Seth, it wasn't Vlad and thus the grand jury and even sanctions are inapposite.

    10. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Now he's promising to bring back  coal mining jobs. Hey Sharon, better invest in a coal shute and hard hat. You'll need it for that coal mining job in Siberia.

    11. Alternative Prime profile image77
      Alternative Primeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Ken ~ That whole "Seth Rich" story appears 2 be "FAKE Newz" ~ Pending Law Suit filed against FOX Loser Network will reveal the TRUTH ~ http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715 … news-story

    12. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      It was a rigged election. No one wins by cheating. What part of the word "cheating" doesn't process mentally for you? Hillary won the popular vote, a burr in the Cheater's butt ever since. If Trump gets a 2nd charge of money laundering, it's prison.

    13. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Oh, he will. No one is going to prison for him, ill guarentee you that. Dude has bought and bullied his way out of everything in his life. This time he called our intel agencies nazis....finally, dirty don is going to pay.

    14. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Eleanor, Alternate, and Yesdear I know you fully believe in the 'reality' that you have created with the help of the MSM.  But Trump is President now, will be next year, and the year after, and the year after that, that's 'reality', the rest is BS.

    15. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      You a betting man? I say by end of august, hes toast.

  5. kwade tweeling profile image90
    kwade tweelingposted 9 months ago

    To answer directly:

    If it's true, I suppose Trump owes Russia the same things he owes the big corporate backers who sponsored him. (Which is really nothing, but pandering is expected.) So look forward to some trade deals, or military action with Russia that are a little more in their favor.

    For the less direct, and I think more pertinent answer:

    If Russians hacked anyone and exposed information, it's no different from the same kind of practice happening between candidates and parties in the US for decades. Do I like the mud slinging? No. Do I think it's a horrible thing to do? Yes. It takes away from actually dealing with any social issues and feeds the rumor mill. However, can we please deal with the corrupt politician that was exposed instead of trying to shame the corrupt politician now in office? We'll have time to deal with Trump after putting Clinton in jail. You know, the one who was proven to be performing criminal activities.

    I think a better question is: Why are we so fixated on Trump? He won because voter confidence was shaken when Clinton was exposed as a criminal.

    1. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Clap clap clap....you are normalizing treason. How much dumpy paying you?

    2. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      lol Yes Dear, you are being a ridiculous troll. If you actually read my comment, you'd see I was saying Trump is a problem too.

    3. Alternative Prime profile image77
      Alternative Primeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Kwade ~ ALL Intel Agencies CONFIRMED the FACT that Russian Agents including Putin, Committed ESPIONAGE Against "WE the People" in a Conserted Effort 2 Favor Mr. Trump ~ TREASON, Obstruction, CONSPIRACY etc R Indictable CRIMEs.

    4. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      They dont believe america. They believe russia. And they are happy russia hacked our election. Happy peoples private info was stolen and released. No wonder they had no problem with the patriot act...oh yeah, until obama was prez. Partisan patriotism

    5. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Why not? They normalize lying. Why not normalize treason too? Why were YOU fixated on taking down Obama? Trump didn't win. Hillary won popular vote by 3 million more. Trump rigged the election college with help from Republicans. Admit it.

    6. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Again, I said Trump and espionage are a problem too. Funny how that gets glossed over when I say Hillary is also a problem. I love the blanket statements assuming I'm Republican and assuming I was okay with all the things I was against. Blind people.

    7. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Trump chose to run for office. That makes him a public SERVANT. So to you hacking an election is no biggie? Good. So when Putin rigs the next 10 elections, you'll be on board with that?

    8. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      You said russia hacking was the same thing that americans do to each other. Its not. We are all americans. Putin is not. We have a country we stand by, putin is russia. Those who support the hacking, support russia over usa. Its really very simple.

    9. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Did any of you replying actually pay any attention to the information that was "hacked"? Did you notice the reason it "tipped the election" was because it exposed what Hillary and the DNC did? Bernie SHOULD be president.

    10. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Bernie would be president, except hillary beat him by 4 million votes in the primary.And did you care that sanders hacked clinton voting list?Just like mercer/facebook.He got mysterious huge anon donation.Imo, he is part of kremlin klan to ruin hrc.

    11. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      What I find most amusing? All of these middle aged men who think there are NO consequences for romancing the devil Trump. Watch what their kids do to them when they are seniors. And they WILL be seniors one day who must answer for their corruption.

    12. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      This is the first I've heard about Sanders hacking. I was talking about the DNC and Hillary colluding to force a Hillary win. This includes controlling the media, bolstering Trump, losing votes, and stuffing ballots. All stated very clearly.

    13. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Hillary would not do that, nor did she need to. Dem ops? Sure. But i dont know why you find it strange that the dem party would want a dem nominee?nor care that sanders camp hacked, was cuffed by fcc, and janes been "doing their taxes" for a year???

    14. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Hillary did exactly that. The reason the election was "lost to Trump because of hacking" is in the emails she sent proving that. This was all admitted in the process of blaming the hack. You're twisting and assuming again with the rest.

    15. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Im not twisting anything.Hillary beat bernie by 4 mil in primary. Indies do not outnumber dems in the dem party!And i wonder what we would learn if sanders was hacked...he never showed but one year tax return.And now hes pushing hillarys health plan!

    16. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      "But i dont know why you find it strange that the dem party would want a dem nominee?nor care that sanders camp hacked, was cuffed by fcc, and janes been "doing their taxes" for a year???" Twisting. Assuming. Complete crap. I'm done.

    17. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Data base company has documents showing 4 sanders staffers spent 40 minutes viewing clinton data.Data was saved to personal folders.Sanders had huge anonymous donation.Not allowed.Jane was "doing taxes" whole of campaign.Released 1 year.what hiding?

    18. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      You're not concerned about truth. You're concerned about how you can back Clinton. Multiple people have done wrong, including Clinton and the DNC, but you find any way to support Clinton you can, and push the blame everywhere else.

    19. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Kwade has NO problem backing up Trump but has every problem based on Russian hackers who smeared Hillary Clinton since 2015, right Kwade? Try truth for a change.

    20. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      I know. "Everyones done wrong". Well, except for trump and sanders, so that leaves only hillary! Satan. Hillary-killary. The wicked witch of tea party fantasy. Active measures.....30 yrs worth. We are living the results.

    21. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Neither of you is actually reading my comments. You've decided I'm a Trump supporter, despite that I've already mentioned I'm not. You're assuming I think Sanders can do no wrong because I don't like the candidate you thing poops rainbows.

    22. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Okay....what did trump and sanders do wrong?

    23. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      See, you've shown all you'll do is go on another silly rant without reading what I say. We'll try. Sanders, I couldn't say. I've seen no bad that wasn't trite or BS. Trump is making numerous dumb moves, starting with Twitter.

    24. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      So you agree with sanders that hillary is unqualified to be prez? It was one of his and trumps campaign slogans.

    25. kwade tweeling profile image90
      kwade tweelingposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Absolutely. That's the majority of what I was saying in regard to the hacked information. The information she never denied and instead pulled a "he lost me the election" card on. It was a clear redirect.

    26. lovemychris profile image64
      lovemychrisposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      So, if hillary is unqualified, what makes sanders qualified? And do you support sanders hacking clinton donor/voter list, and his "anonymous"10 mil donation,which got him a reprimand?Or does it not matter to you?And trump tweeting  does not bother me

 
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