New Tax reform passed Congress
Instead of debating about the merits...here is a simple tax calculator to see how your family fare under the new law.
In most cases, your tax burden should be less...
In some cases, your tax will rise.
Post your own gains and loss here for a sample of people on HubPages.Here is link to the calculator -
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-n … 2017-10-26Jack , most Trump supporters know there will be savings , obstructionist conversations will never admit financial success for themselves or anyone . It would seem surrendering to progress , something liberals will never do in a republican leadership situation .
Organized whiners !I'll wait to see how they will treat social security.
It passed both house and senate? Last I heard it was headed back to the house for a re-vote because of some kind of procedural mix up in the wording that barred the senate from voting on it.
That is correct , it hasn't passed congress yet . And even the turncoat Susan Collins of Maine voted for it , liberals are so angry that hair is soon to fly !
I am disappointed that not one Democrat voted for this tax reform bill.
It is going to go down as another partisan bill just like the ACA...
I am hopeful this will be a better bill than the ACA.
Time will tell.The ACA was not a savings bill , it costs us more in "tax paid in" revenue . The tax bill on the other hand saves us all pocket money . Its a big difference in my eye's . But it shows the major difference ! Manifest partisanship ie....republicans want less taxation ...... liberals are okay with far more .
The point I was making is how partisanship how the two bills were created, not that they are similar in what the bills are for.
Watch the mid term elections to see how people like the tax bill. Only about a third of the folks--coincidentally Trump's base numbers as well--wanted the bill to pass. What comes around....
83% of the tax breaks go to the top 1% of the wealthiest people, so I hope they can afford a "fruitcake" for xmas. Don't hold your breath on this bill increasing our economy or job offerings, it hasn't before. Look where we were when Dubya left office. I hope Trump is long gone before it gets that bad again. Lock him up!!
Can't forget Trump is a bi-partisan phenomena , that one third is right out of the middle primarily , listening to too much media when it comes to his "popularity " polls ? . Your getting a biased media reading about a middle America that the media can't read and don't even truly represent , once time passes and the voters realize the benefits of that newer central ideology , no telling how that may change the two party beliefs .
Why argue money in your pockets ?The rich pay the bulk of the taxes. That is an undeniable fact. So if we are to have a tax cut, it stand to reason they will receive the bulk of the refunds... how difficult is that for you to understand? Unless you are for social engineering...rob from the rich to give to the poor.
Politics are Politics. Let's remember why our found fathers fought so hard for freedom. Flourish and prosper! Love your friends and family. Be gracious.
Uneducated white males make up the majority of Trump supporters. No surprise there!
Don't believe it? Simply check the grammar and spelling of those who back him. - ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
0Randy , It truly amazes me the amount of childishness in Demo-splaining the amazing Trump progress , the posts like yours above are truly lacking in ANY maturity at all and show an unbelievable immaturity in politics and it's complicated operations.
I am however , not surprised . The elementary mentality shown simply screams ,
"I hate trump , Show me some attention " while ignoring true political progress , that progress that liberals always claim and truthfully avoid like the plague . The people--66% of them at any rate--see through this give-away to the rich. The tax cuts to the middle and lower classes expire in a few years while those given to the already wealthy are permanent. But as I stated earlier, after the mid terms the Dems will not only rid the congress of a few Trump allies, but will rid the country of this fiasco of a tax bill.
I suggest you read the numbers Randy instead of the pamphlets of the obstructionist's, you could do so much better .
Small things now !
-Housing sales ten year high
-Black male unemployment 20 year low
-Wall street never before seen growth
-Corporate investment IN America , +30 years
-Interest rates , perfect
-Energy prices stable
Big things later ! But you know that , Hey , Enjoy your tax cut income Randy !Odd that you don't mention that the bulk of the tax savings are going to those that pay the bulk of the taxes. Is that because it seems fair as opposed to another money grab by the greedy?
It's also odd that you don't mention that the ONLY reason those cuts will run out in 10 years is that Democrats steadfastly refused to consider them. Had there been sufficient support (that is, ANY from the liberal side of the room) they could have been made permanent rather than use the only method available to get them in at all. The blame for losing them thus rests with Democrats, wouldn't you say?You assume the rich have earned their wealth honestly, eh Dan? Can you assure me this is the case and there's no manipulation in prices and wages paid to their employees? You know, such as Walmart using illegal aliens in their stores while making their employees have to get food stamps to augment their income.
Yes, address this problem and why the wealthy shouldn't pay higher taxes. I assume you'd be fine with the rich having all the money before admitting they sway both politicians and the law in some cases. I'd be pleased if I was so rich my taxes were higher than the poor, wouldn't you?
As far as your last question is concerned, the Dems know they will fix this mess after the mid terms.If they didn't they should be in jail. In spite of your assumption that it was earned illegally, that isn't happening, so the my assumption must be correct.
Didn't know WalMart forced employees to get food stamps. Is it at gunpoint, or do they use strong arm techniques with professional wrestlers dragging them to the welfare office?
Didn't say they shouldn't pay higher taxes. But the concept that their taxes go up without restraint while the rest of the country pays less and less...well, it's greedy, shortsighted and stupid all rolled into one.
The Dems will fix everything. For sure. But then why the angst that the tax cuts will disappear if you already know the wonderful Dems will fix it all?I have no angst about the future , Dan. I 'm not in the least bit worried I voted for a traitor. Are you?
Did you know about Walmart using illegal aliens? They've been caught doing so, but they only had to pay a small fine and was guaranteed they'd be warned about a raid before hand next time. Sounds completely fair and aboveboard, eh?
Do you even know anyone who works or has worked for Walmart? If so, ask them what sort of experience they've had.No, not worried at all about voting for a traitor. Probably because it didn't happen, but not worried.
There is zero doubt that every large company has hired illegals. With the Dems demanding that we support 20 million of them in the country it is inevitable, no matter how hard one tries not to. On the other hand there are companies (small) that hire virtually ALL illegals, and that is something WalMart does not do. But it would be quite interesting to hear you try and prove the assertion that WalMart was guaranteed they would be warned about ICE visits before they happen. I suppose it's possible they bribed an ICE agent, but I'd still like to hear you try and prove it.
You don't like the experience don't work there. See? That isn't so difficult, is it?The report about Walmart is well known, Dan. But don't believe it if you want to. No surprise from a Fox watcher.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/18/news/fo … ettlement/
And one link from your favorite "news" source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03/19 … r-11m.html
Read 'em and weep, Dan.I did read them, and found that your tale has absolutely no basis in fact. The first sentence of the first link:
"Wal-Mart will escape criminal sanctions and pay $11 million to settle claims stemming from a federal investigation of illegal workers hired by the company's cleaning contractors, the company said Friday."
So WalMart did not hire illegals, only their contractors. Still illegals working on the property and still illegal, but a far cry from the baseless claim you made.
And I didn't find anything at all, in either link, showing that WalMart received a guarantee that they would be warned before another ICE visit? Just another gross abuse of the truth, then?
Dry your tears, Randy, and try to do better in the future.This article will give you a bit more info on the case, Dan. I'll look to see if I can find the details of the fine as I remember when this happened. In the meantime, this article goes into more detail why Walmart is corrupt and a bad business to work for.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/19/busin … rkers.html"Wal-Mart, which did not admit any wrongdoing in the settlement, had $288.2 billion in sales last year. "
"Wal-Mart has said that its executives knew nothing about the employment of illegal immigrants before the raids and that the janitors were hired by contractors that Wal-Mart used to clean its stores late at night."
"we should have had better safeguards in place to ensure that our contractors were hiring only legal workers,"
"In a statement from Washington, federal officials announced that 12 janitorial contractors that worked for Wal-Mart had agreed to forfeit $4 million to the government and to plead guilty to criminal charges of employing illegal immigrants."
"Wal-Mart officials said the $11 million was not a fine, but a voluntary payment that would be used to help ensure compliance with immigration laws."
And all this is to prove that: "Did you know about Walmart using illegal aliens? They've been caught doing so, but they only had to pay a small fine and was guaranteed they'd be warned about a raid before hand next time."
Only problem it not only doesn't prove WalMart used illegal aliens, it proves just the opposite. Nor does it prove they paid a fine or that they are guaranteed they would be warned when ICE would come. So you again prove, with additional data, that your claim was without fact and just pure fantasy. You really need to try harder, Randy, to set your preconceived notions aside and repeat only factual information rather than the fantasies you only think must be true because you hate (WalMart, Trump, GOP, etc.).You're trying to inject reason to a debate started by the unreasonable hypocrisy again , on about any contractual lawsuits the plaintiff will always go to the the deeper pockets too . So the although the sub-contractors are guilty of the infraction , the hiring entity will pay the price .
Simply put , Walmart is an enemy to the ideology on the left because they represent evil "corporate greed ", they are big , they are profitable , they are a major league player in employment and tax revenues . So ,They are one living reality of corporate success and economic stability that such socialism hates.
Immigration , illegal employment , kind of backfires for any of the lefts argument doesn't it , makes them look even more foolish ?Not so much reason as simple truth. Two claims were made, and evidence provided...evidence which very, very clearly says one claim was outright false and the other was not addressed at all. Even the "fine" (a third claim) appears to be false-to-fact; it is only with a good deal of spin that any of them can be made to even sound true (remaining false).
Wilderness , doesn't it all sound so "high school mentality" to you though ? I mean , even in my admitted ,lowly intellect so much of the progress obstructing ideological debate seems originated in truly sophomoric points. I see very few people of true intellectual reasoning in political forums , I am more political- I realize that , but so many points from the left are just shallow in fact , scarce in reason and bankrupt in morality.
I don't know about high school mentality - much of it reminds me more of a 2 year old beating heels and head on the floor in a tantrum. On the other hand, we're finding that teen brains, particularly the section producing logic and reason, do not develop until the mid 20's and that, too, is in line with what we're seeing.
Gee, I so love to read the words of intellectual giants. Especially uneducated specimens!
You should. There are so few of us, even on the HP forums, that it is a rare treat for those of lesser abilities.
But are you ready to show court records of a conviction and fine for WalMart hiring illegal aliens to work in their stores? And ready to prove that they will receive future warnings of ICE visits? The intellectual mediocrity are waiting to show you for a third (fourth? Fifth?) that you still haven't shown anything but imagination.I remember in the early seventies ,our 17 year old Problems of Democracy classes displayed far more debating skill than the political left today , Of course we wern't trying hard to de-legitimize an entire political party .
Hey , they are simply committing political suicide to me Or they are preparing their own children for less and less political currency in the future . Let them cry I guess ,perhaps there can be only so much safe space for all of them .There was a thread about this awhile back Randy. It was probably before your return, so you might not have seen it.
But that "uneducated" Trump supporter demographic you like to refer to was actually "undereducated." It would probably be a better club if it was at least used right.
GAYou're correct, GA! My mistake.
But I was referring to certain vain posters, not Trump voters as a whole.Either way , How is it that the Under-educated or as Randy likes to call us ",the uneducated specimens ", so blew away the media projected rise of the Clinton Dynasty coronation and obliterated all predictions of the left and it's puppy love media ?
Truth ;
The history and hypocrisy of the left in America repeats it's failures over and over again , the incredible ego's of their intellectual elite then should teach us all something very important . Like , How not to misjudge the "ignorant "American voter and their political fortitude ? How not to bid too highly on the potential power of a biased news media , AND most importantly . How after the election losses - How Not to bite the hand that feeds them , in other words if failure is all that repetitive motion delivers to you - It's time to change something ?
Perhaps your leadership would be a place to startUmmm..."under"educated for what purpose? For fixing cars? Building homes? Making a new road? Constructing a boat or a refrigerator?
It seems that the correct terminology would be "less formally" educated as very few highly educated people can do any of those things. That takes one of the "Uneducated" Trump voters - the "deplorables" can do what those so-knowledgeable liberals cannot, and to the point they are required for the educated to live their lifestyle.You are right Wilderness. That demographic specifically identified its parameters as being levels of formal education. I can agree with that term as a category description, but certainly not as a measure of those in that category. Which seems to be the purpose of most people I have seen use it.
As for the more correct term... hell's bells, where's the insult in that?
A personal anecdote to your point:
Years ago a tenured, (as in not a youngster), local collage professor came back into my restaurant for help changing a flat tire. He had all the gear needed, he just didn't know how to do it. Kinda like that teenager in that Progressive Insurance commercial; "Is this a lug wrench?"
Of course that is why I so frequently point out the proper descriptor - the two are not the same.
GAI'd say either way it's unbelievably elitist to say it either way or any way . Trump won over a stacked election system , embarrassed , no ,shamed the entire political left , equally embarrassed the entire moron media , taught the Democrat Hilary voters that they had no sense of political memory whatsoever and did it all under the well lighted pathways of both parties . As to the intellectual ego's here in forums ; None of you seem to have gotten over it ether .
I'd also say , these voters illustrated a brilliance not common at all to political forum trolls , like some of the above.
Oh yea , we're all pretty stupid though.Well ahorseback, as a category description, I don't see it as any more elitist than a category described as under six-foot tall voters.
As a description of a voter's abilities - as it is frequently used, then I do agree with you.
GA
Education. It can consist of learning outside a school, and most people take advantage of it their entire life (yes I know the election reports referred to formal education, but that isn't how the term is used most of the time).
So your professor was never educated in changing a tire - he is not only under-educated for the task of operating a car, he was completely uneducated in how to change a tire. He came back into the restaurant to get one of the "uneducated" Randy referred to because they had more education than he did. That "less formal" education was more important than the professors formal education was...as is the case throughout most of everyday life.
But you're right - none of that can be used as derogatory, to make someone appear less intelligent, less useful, etc. So we don't talk about it (education) that way - instead we use "deplorable", "uneducated", "ignorant" or something else that, while usually untrue, IS derogatory.Now you're arguing something other than the election reports, Dan. Undereducated people consist of many different types. Some could be considered uneducated if they quit attending, or got expelled for some nefarious reason-- from grammar school or even high school. I've know people like this and perhaps you have to. So I--surprise--disagree with your claim of "how the term is used most of the time.
So if the professor couldn't change a tire he wasn't as educated than the guy who changed the tire? What did the guy who changed the tire do for a living, Dan, or GA? The prof could have called a tire service if he had to. It wasn't like it was a life or death thing.
Calling someone ignorant is not an insult if it's true, Dan. I'm fairly ignorant of rocket science--although I vacationed with one not many years ago--and completely ignorant about brain surgery. Not ashamed at all! I've never referred to anyone as deplorable in my life, so I don't where you got that from.As I pointed out, most people are undereducated at one thing or another, and usually at something that is important in their lives. You say the prof with the tire didn't have a life and death matter, but it could be. Miles from a cell tower, deserted road in winter - could easily be a life and death matter and he was completely uneducated on how to handle the emergency.
Yep - my did left in the 8th grade to earn money for his family, and 4 of the 10 people on my first career job signed with an "X". I can do brain surgery, though, if you don't care if you survive or not. And can send a water rocket into the sky, for that matter. But mostly just poking at you with that stick again - you have a propensity for picking up liberal crap and repeating it, just like you did with the "uneducated" (and the "WalMart hires illegals", for that matter). Most people won't bother to mention the "formal" part, and will use it derogatorily, which is how I read your post. So a poke with a sharp stick; you deserve it for that "uneducated" comment!If you read more about the Walmart suit, you'll discover they were hiring illegal aliens back in 2001. Walmart knew the sub-contracted employees were illegal as the investigators went in a seized both phone records and other documents proving so.
The reason they weren't found guilty of knowing was because this was a civil suit settled out of court. Why would a big company pay out over $11,000,000 and the contractors $4,000,000 if they weren't guilty of something.
But you can believe that Walmart was totally innocent if it makes you feel better. I can understand the "poking with a stick" as well. I've a very sharp poker when needed.Sorry, Randy. You claimed they hired illegals, I asked for proof...and you provided solid evidence that you had told a whopper. That another, separate, company hired illegals does NOT mean WalMart did. There are thousands of companies and farmers all over this country that hire illegals every day, and that ALL of them are doing it does not mean that WalMart is. I would agree that it is extremely likely that WalMart has, out of tens of thousands of employees in this country, a few that are illegal aliens. But until you can prove it I will absolutely not agree that WalMart intentionally and consistently hires illegal aliens to work their stores.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I don't believe the claim of hiring illegals 16 years ago for a moment; any credence you had was lost when you "proved" the first claim with solid proof it was false.
Nor does settling a case, avoiding millions of $$ in lawyer fees, indicate guilt. Even you know that, so don't try to say it DOES mean they are guilty. This is done all the time and never yet has it indicated guilt...except in the minds of those that have already decided guilt without needing evidence. On the other hand, the other company DID plead guilty and a fine was assessed. Please tell me you aren't trying to say that if the handyman you hired to cut your lawn pleads guilty to a DUI it means you are guilty as well!Uh .....Uh ....Uh ....what do you mean , There are actually illegals inside America's borders ? Come on ! No . That just can't be.
I've told you all how many times about hypocrisy on the left ? There are no illegals = They are all over the place and especially ten times in every Walmart ! There is no Russian /Clinton collusion , Now the Russians are behind every telephone pole with Trump ! There is a economic depression going on as we speak = We are in an economic boom Trump will destroy consumer confidence = Trump is changing U.S. corporate and wall street economics incrementally as we speak .
There just is no figuring the next obstructionist topic is there ?
Advice to the left - Pick an obstruction topic and stick to it !My computer won't copy and paste for some odd reason, Dan. Try googling this:
Walmart settles illegal immigrant case for $11,000,000. Fox news.
I know you trust Fox News! (poke)I've already seen the reports (you gave) on that one: WalMart did not hire a single illegal according to your sources. Nor were they found guilty, by either your prior links OR by the title of this one: settling a case is not an admission of guilt.
From your link: "In two separate investigations, authorities uncovered the cases of an estimated 345 illegal immigrants contracted as janitors at Wal-Mart stores." See that little bolded word? The one that says WalMart was not found to have hired a single illegal? You don't get to ignore it in the hopes a reader will believe something that isn't true (WalMart hired illegals), and you certainly don't get to declare a falsehood as true (WalMart hired illegals) because you ignore the pertinent verbiage.
Umm....you did read the entire sentence, didn't you? (poke, poke!)So why did Walmart pay out over 11 million, Dan? And did you see the part where the investigators seized documents and emails showing that Walmart KNEW the employees were illegal?
Why keep repeating the same nonsense unless hoping to make it a major campus fad? Your party highly promotes letting the illegals into America AND condemn their necessary employment to eat , take the bus or what , buy a new broom ?
That's a REAL winning combination in hypocrisy by you, Randy.Already answered that; for the same reason that such a small percentage of cases actually end up with a verdict. Because it is cheaper for a company to pay the court than to pay attorneys, to end litigation, to prevent the chance of a bad verdict and an appeal, etc. - happens every day of the week.
Nope, didn't see that - if you can cut and paste from one of your links I might believe it. Are you of the opinion that knowing another company hired illegals means WalMart did, too? And that they will be warned of future ICE visits (or have you dropped that silly claim as being totally without merit now that evidence as been requested multiple times)?Dan, I remembered at the time--2005--it being reported they would be a given a heads-up--and I never mentioned ICE in my claim--but so far I haven't been able to find the details of the settlement.
Also, the Fox article I read--and several other sources--plainly said they had documented truth the Walmart officials knew about the illegals. in 2001 Walmart was caught hiring illegals as well. And I don't make up shit! (prod prod)
Because this was a civil suit Walmart was allowed to claim they weren't guilty. 11 million dollars worth of innocence, as a matter of fact.
Hi Randy, the guy the professor asked owned a restaurant - me. He was an acquaintance of mine.
I agree with most of your points - except the one about why the term is so frequently used. Of course it is only my perception, but the context of when I have seen the term used - yours included, has been as an insult. The talking point about "uneducated" Trump supporters wouldn't be acceptable if they said "dumb as a rock" instead.
GAAt least you can spell and know a bit of grammar, GA. So you have no formal education?
We could dance around what constitutes "formal" Randy, but no, I don't have any 4-year, (or more) college or university degrees.
But here's a kicker - I enlisted in the Navy right out of a high school - in a 6-year nuclear propulsion program. I used to be able to use a slide rule as quickly as most folks could use a calculator. Now... me and that slide rule would have to get reacquainted a bit.
But I still remember how to tie a thread to a honey bee's leg, (my desk was right beside the open windows, which were right behind the trash dumpsters), for entertainment while the instructor was lecturing. ;-)
GAI don't consider real life education in some areas as undereducated, or uneducated, GA. I went to college, but learned far more by reading over 10,000 books on many assorted subjects than I did in school.
But for the life of me, I cannot understand why people trust Fox News and Briebart as they do. I watch and read all sorts of news reports, but the cons I know detest any other source of news besides these two. Fox seems to brainwash their viewers to not trust any news but theirs. No wonder it was banned in some places in Canada!
At any rate, I see those as being able to have a civil debate about subjects as educated enough, and that would include you and Comrade Dan.
And just let say this about my slant on the Right. One of my best friends and neighbors is one of the original Iranian hostages. I hope soon to begin to assist him in writing about his experiences of the time. Furthermore, after he returned home and finished his military career he began working for the Harris Corp. in DC. For anyone "ignorant" of the company's business, they are largest lobbying entity in the US. They procure much if not all of the military hardware for the defense of the nation.
My friend was vice president for many years and went on to become president of the company. He married my best friend's sister and would fly home to South GA. every Friday and back to DC on Sunday evening.
What I'm getting at is, for many years he was a stanch conservative and we had many arguments about Bill Clinton. He literally hated him. He knew almost everyone in the DC world of politics as he dealt with them in his business. But he lost his faith in the Republican party under Dubya. He said that "Scooter Libby was a little shit" and didn't deserve pardoning. Finally he retired from his job as Company President in disgust of Washington conservative politics during Dubya's reign.
He knew Michael Flynn as a sneaky, arrogant, bastard not to be trusted. He thinks Obama did a great job saving us from a depression but I won't even attempt to describe what he says about Trump. It isn't good. Needless to say, he's extremely concerned as to what kind of mess Trump will get us into besides a war.
So, where do you guys get your inside political education from?After all that , I'd far rather you told us what he said about Trump , Than call Obama a what .....................hero ?
Freakin , please !I'd be glad to ask him a question about anyone in Washington DC if any of you have one. Really, I may be able to get him on the forums to answer your concerns.
He may be a bit better than I. Hey, Randy, just want to mention that my husband was career Air Force and NSA. He broke his leg during all the chaos from the plane that crashed during the Iran hostage rescue attempt.
He was a Republican all his life but changed his party affiliation to Democrat after Trump was elected. It was a slow turn, but seeing his beloved party cravenly embrace Trump was the last straw for him. He said changing parties was one of the hardest things he's ever done. And he's done a lot of hard things in his life.Wow Pretty, I'll bet my friend would like to talk to him about his experience of the rescue. I'll let him know about your husband. Joe Hall is the former hostage's name. I first met him while in Jacksonville being examined for the draft in 1968. Over 30 years later he married my friend and when I saw him I knew I'd met him before somewhere. After a few years of chatting with him on and off, I discovered he was one of the guys at the hotel who herded the recruits around to be examined. Small world!
Wow, it really is a small world. My husband worked at Intel and one of his cfoworkers turned out to be the son of a Vietnamese teen that my husband had befriended during the war. My husband was telling stories and his coworker recognized similarities to stories he heard from his dad. So, he took a picture of my husband to his dad and, sure enough, they knew each other.
Isn't that crazy wonderful? They are still friends.When you think something cannot get any stranger, it does!
I love to shop at Walmart. The price is good and they have a large selection of products...
Who can be against a great American company?
Only the left will complaint about success."Who can be against a great American company?
Those that find a 1% or 2% profit margin to be obscene, simply because the company is so large that even a 1% margin adds up to large numbers worldwide.
Liberals are oblivious to the cost's in general to the overworked-- middle class-- , Why , because all their edible propaganda comes from the elite left , academic elitist's that direct their political wishes , direct their every ideological rant , leftist's can't tell you where their taxes go or where their entitlements come from .
But to hell with the middle class , as long as they get what they want .And Dan, the Cons had the votes to continue the tax cuts if they wanted to. This bill was done behind closed doors, so how could the Dems be blamed for the cons bill? The Dems are the minority party and not one vote from the Left went for this bill.
That's not my understanding. The tax cuts expire because it took more than a simple majority (meaning no Dems supported tax cuts for the middle class) to make it permanent. Without a larger majority that's all that was possible.
Dem's could have voted at least ONE vote for this tax bill and didn't ! That say's it all about the socialist moronic mindset maneuvering inside American borders , you should be ashamed of your party leadership , and aren't ?
Say's enough for me .
- ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
Hypocrisy of liberals who love illegal immigration and then use the hypocrisy of Walmart hiring the illegals to prove their American corporate hatred ? Maybe that's why they drive foreign cars , sip french wines , wear Vietnamese undies and smoke Cuban cigars ?
Buy American ! That means , made in the USA . - ahorsebackposted 7 years ago0
It is lame to automatically inject that the republican party alone elected Trump , He was elected by the incredible movement of disgust and dissalligned people of the two party "lock down" in America , center republicans , center democrats , independents , angry youth , even women who see clearer than others that something different had to be done ,People from all rounds of political belief elected Trump .
The left is just jealous of a movement --not begun by them and ultimately leaving you behind in the incredible media bias .
Sad part is , you can't get over the emotional breakdown of that .You know what, horse? Some conservatives believe that backing a pussy-grabbing, lying, bullying, narcissistic, incurious man-chid is a bridge too far.
How much of your honor will you subvert in order to remain loyal to your tribe?
Where will you finally bottom out? When Don Jr. is indicted? When?No one's as morally biased as those of you who hate P.P . Look at it this way , unlike JFK or Bill Clinton or Hilary , You actually had the chance to find out your presidents
moral " crimes " BEFORE he is elected .
A political first ?I don't hate Trump or his fake sycophants. I feel sorry that their moral compass is either nonexistent or easily disoriented.
Those tax cuts sure made the donors happy, though.OH ? You mean you gave to the cause too ?
You should get over your Trump Hate Derangement and stop ignoring the reality of all our collective political , economic success .Huh? Your ramblings must be wafting over my little ol' naive liberal hippie head.
How do you so easily ignore the economics alone of Trumps leadership , I understand your personally and emotionally directed hatred of him, yet the economy is beginning a path down a road of good fortune for all ?
Explain the economic numbers , all of them combined ?Even if I agreed with you that the good economic indicators are all Trump-driven (which I don't), I could not overlook the laughable foreign policy decisions that are resulting in waning U.S. leadership and influence around the world.
The low man in the Oval Office taints everyone around him. He is an ugly boil that one tries not to look at but cannot ignore. The boil will be lanced, one way or another.
Like I have repeatedly stated, I would not let Trump take care of my dog, much less my country. He is beneath the minimum standard of competency and character I would require for someone to be allowed in my home. Why would I want him to be my president?For one , you mistake , as all liberals do , world likability for actual respect , the world laughed at Obama's immaturity except for Islam , I would far rather have a respectful fear than "likability "any day .
You mistake leadership and influence by replacing it with political correctness , Obama's singular likability came from diplomacy like his Paris Accords , and his kissing the A$$ of Islam . As he well learned , Islam only respects diplomacy from incredible military strength . And the Paris Accords , are no more .
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by Sooner28 12 years ago
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 … icans?lite Yeah those liberals at NBC trying to skew the president...As someone who considers myself a liberal, I feel lost when it comes to halting the erosion of our civil liberties, which is disconcertingly bipartisan in nature. George...
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First Successful Legislative Filibuster Mounted By the GOP Minority
by Sharlee 3 years ago
The GOP Held Strong Using The First Filibuster To Stop The Democrats Cold In Their Tracks May 28, 2021 --- "Senate Republicans on Friday halted an effort to form a bipartisan Jan. 6 commission to investigate the Capitol attack, marking the first successful legislative filibuster...
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What Do Trump's Taxes Show?
by Scott Belford 2 years ago
I am not going down the rabbit hole of whether the House Democrats releasing some of his taxes is legal or not - just know that it is. Is it ethical? In my opinion it is because they are exposing a probable crime of a former president, and it is no more unethical that the Republican's...
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The Border The Crisis The Last Straw
by Sharlee 14 months ago
Established this thread to provide a platform for discussing the myriad challenges we are presently facing at the border. My instinct suggests that in the coming weeks to months, we'll encounter numerous new and pre-existing issues related to our flawed immigration system. I believe the New York...
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It appears the GOP attempt to repeal and replace Obamacare is stalled
by Jack Lee 7 years ago
What is your opinion?In my humble opinion, these few GOP senators that is blocking the bill, are miss guided.Even if the bill is not perfectly worded, they should pass it. That way, the whole system can be revisited.How it gets implemented in detail has very little to do with the actual language in...
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Will Dems need 12 Step Program to get over Trump Derangement ?
by ahorseback 7 years ago
Trumps success' have been overshadowed by the negativity of Trump Derangement in general , looking at his policies I'm concerned that many on the left will certainly need a twelve step program to get over the hangovers ? Many here have either delusionally resisted or quietly...