New Tax reform passed Congress

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  1. jackclee lm profile image81
    jackclee lmposted 7 months ago

    Instead of debating about the merits...here is a simple tax calculator to see how your family fare under the new law.
    In most cases, your tax burden should be less...
    In some cases, your tax will rise.
    Post your own gains and loss here for a sample of people on HubPages.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this
      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Jack , most Trump supporters know there will be savings ,  obstructionist conversations will never admit financial success for themselves or anyone .  It would seem surrendering to progress , something liberals will never do in a republican leadership  situation .

        Organized whiners !

      2. tsmog profile image82
        tsmogposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        I'll wait to see how they will treat social security.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          As far as I can tell, there is no change as to how social security income is treated.

          1. tsmog profile image82
            tsmogposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            I hope so or my taxes will go up significantly.

  2. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 7 months ago

    It passed both house and senate?  Last I heard it was headed back to the house for a re-vote because of some kind of procedural mix up in the wording that barred the senate from voting on it.

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      That is correct , it hasn't passed congress yet .  And even the turncoat Susan Collins of Maine voted for it , liberals are so angry that hair is soon to fly !

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        I am disappointed that not one Democrat voted for this tax reform bill.
        It is going to go down as another partisan bill just like the ACA...
        I am hopeful this will be a better bill than the ACA.
        Time will tell.

        1. ahorseback profile image77
          ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          The ACA was not a savings bill , it costs us more in "tax paid in" revenue .  The tax bill on the other hand saves us all pocket money . Its a big difference in my eye's . But it shows the major difference !  Manifest  partisanship  ie....republicans want less taxation ...... liberals are okay with far  more .

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            The point I was making is how partisanship how the two bills were created, not that they are similar in what the bills are for.

            1. ahorseback profile image77
              ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              I know .  Just wanted to clarify how one party gives back the other takes away .
              They are both bad enough , just glad Trump made the republicans stick to his plan.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          Watch the mid term elections to see how people like the tax bill. Only about a third of the folks--coincidentally Trump's base numbers as well--wanted the bill to pass. What comes around....

          83% of the tax breaks go to the top 1% of the wealthiest people, so I hope they can afford a "fruitcake" for xmas. Don't hold your breath on this bill increasing our economy or job offerings, it hasn't before. Look where we were when Dubya left office. I hope Trump is long gone before it gets that bad again. Lock him up!!  yikes

          1. ahorseback profile image77
            ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Can't forget Trump is a bi-partisan phenomena ,  that one third is right out of the middle primarily   , listening  to too much media when it comes to his "popularity " polls ? . Your getting a biased media reading about a middle America that the media can't read and  don't even truly represent ,   once time passes and the voters realize the benefits of that newer central ideology  , no telling how that may change the two party beliefs .

            Why argue money in your pockets ?

          2. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            The rich pay the bulk of the taxes. That is an undeniable fact. So if we are to have a tax cut, it stand to reason they will receive the bulk of the refunds... how difficult is that for you to understand? Unless you are for social engineering...rob from the rich to give to the poor.

  3. Kenna McHugh profile image89
    Kenna McHughposted 7 months ago

    Politics are Politics. Let's remember why our found fathers fought so hard for freedom.  Flourish and prosper! Love your friends and family. Be gracious.

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      And not more taxes !........;-}

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        And a limited government...

  4. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 7 months ago

    Uneducated white males make up the majority of Trump supporters. No surprise there! lol  Don't believe it? Simply check the grammar and spelling of those who back him. yikes

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Mature  up Randy . You'd have far more credibility here

  5. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 7 months ago

    Randy , It truly amazes me the amount of childishness in Demo-splaining  the amazing Trump progress ,  the posts like yours above are truly lacking in ANY maturity at all and show an unbelievable immaturity in politics and it's complicated operations.

    I am however , not surprised .  The elementary mentality shown simply screams ,
    "I hate trump , Show me some attention " while ignoring true political progress , that progress that liberals always claim and truthfully avoid like the plague .

  6. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 7 months ago

    The people--66% of them at any rate--see through this give-away to the rich. The tax cuts to the middle and lower classes expire in a few years while those given to the already wealthy are permanent. But as I stated earlier, after the mid terms the Dems will not only rid the congress of a few Trump allies, but will rid the country of this fiasco of a tax bill.

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      I suggest you read the numbers Randy instead of the  pamphlets of the obstructionist's,    you could do so much better .

      Small things now !

      -Housing sales ten year high
      -Black male unemployment 20 year low
      -Wall street never before seen growth
      -Corporate investment IN America , +30 years
      -Interest rates , perfect
      -Energy prices stable

      Big things later ! But you know that , Hey , Enjoy your tax cut income Randy !

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Odd that you don't mention that the bulk of the tax savings are going to those that pay the bulk of the taxes.  Is that because it seems fair as opposed to another money grab by the greedy?

      It's also odd that you don't mention that the ONLY reason those cuts will run out in 10 years is that Democrats steadfastly refused to consider them.  Had there been sufficient support (that is, ANY from the liberal side of the room) they could have been made permanent rather than use the only method available to get them in at all.  The blame for losing them thus rests with Democrats, wouldn't you say?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        You assume the rich have earned their wealth honestly, eh Dan? Can you assure me this is the case and there's no manipulation in prices and wages paid to their employees? You know, such as Walmart using illegal aliens in their stores while making their employees have to get food stamps to augment their income.

        Yes, address this problem and why the wealthy shouldn't pay higher taxes. I assume you'd be fine with the rich having all the money before admitting they sway both politicians and the law in some cases. I'd be pleased if I was so rich my taxes were higher than the poor, wouldn't you?

        As far as your last question is concerned, the Dems know they will fix this mess after the mid terms.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          If they didn't they should be in jail.  In spite of your assumption that it was earned illegally, that isn't happening, so the my assumption must be correct.

          Didn't know WalMart forced employees to get food stamps.  Is it at gunpoint, or do they use strong arm techniques with professional wrestlers dragging them to the welfare office?

          Didn't say they shouldn't pay higher taxes.  But the concept that their taxes go up without restraint while the rest of the country pays less and less...well, it's greedy, shortsighted and stupid all rolled into one.

          The Dems will fix everything.  For sure.  But then why the angst that the tax cuts will disappear if you already know the wonderful Dems will fix it all?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            I have no angst about the future , Dan. I 'm not in the least bit worried I voted for a traitor. Are you? tongue

            Did you know about Walmart using illegal aliens? They've been caught  doing so, but they only had to pay a small fine and was guaranteed they'd be warned about a raid before hand next time. Sounds completely fair and aboveboard, eh? lol

            Do you even know anyone who works or has worked for Walmart? If so, ask them what sort of experience they've had.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              No, not worried at all about voting for a traitor.  Probably because it didn't happen, but not worried.

              There is zero doubt that every large company has hired illegals.  With the Dems demanding that we support 20 million of them in the country it is inevitable, no matter how hard one tries not to.  On the other hand there are companies (small) that hire virtually ALL illegals, and that is something WalMart does not do.  But it would be quite interesting to hear you try and prove the assertion that WalMart was guaranteed they would be warned about ICE visits before they happen.  I suppose it's possible they bribed an ICE agent, but I'd still like to hear you try and prove it.

              You don't like the experience don't work there.  See?  That isn't so difficult, is it?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                The report about Walmart is well known, Dan. But don't believe it if you want to. No surprise from a Fox watcher.

                http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/18/news/fo … ettlement/

                And one link from your favorite "news" source:

                http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03/19 … r-11m.html

                Read 'em and weep, Dan.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  I did read them, and found that your tale has absolutely no basis in fact.  The first sentence of the first link:

                  "Wal-Mart will escape criminal sanctions and pay $11 million to settle claims stemming from a federal investigation of illegal workers hired by the company's cleaning contractors, the company said Friday."

                  So WalMart did not hire illegals, only their contractors.  Still illegals working on the property and still illegal, but a far cry from the baseless claim you made. 

                  And I didn't find anything at all, in either link, showing that WalMart received a guarantee that they would be warned before another ICE visit?  Just another gross abuse of the truth, then?

                  Dry your tears, Randy, and try to do better in the future.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    This article will give you a bit more info on the case, Dan. I'll look to see if I can find the details of the fine as I remember when this happened. In the meantime, this article goes into more detail why Walmart is corrupt and a bad business to work for.

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/19/busin … rkers.html

            2. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              I love to shop at Walmart. The price is good and they have a large selection of products...
              Who can be against a great American company?
              Only the left will complaint about success.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                "Who can be against a great American company?

                Those that find a 1% or 2% profit margin to be obscene, simply because the company is so large that even a 1% margin adds up to large numbers worldwide.

      2. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Liberals are oblivious to the cost's in general to the overworked-- middle class-- , Why , because all their edible propaganda comes from the elite left , academic  elitist's that direct their political  wishes , direct their every ideological rant , leftist's can't tell you where their taxes go or where their entitlements come from .

        But to hell with the middle class , as long as they get what they want .

      3. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        And Dan, the Cons had the votes to continue the tax cuts if they wanted to. This bill was done behind closed doors, so how could the Dems be blamed for the cons bill? The Dems are the minority party and not one vote from the Left went for this bill.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          That's not my understanding.  The tax cuts expire because it took more than a simple majority (meaning no Dems supported tax cuts for the middle class) to make it permanent.  Without a larger majority that's all that was possible.

        2. ahorseback profile image77
          ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          Dem's could have voted at least ONE vote for this tax bill and didn't !   That say's it all about the socialist moronic mindset maneuvering  inside American borders , you should be ashamed of your party leadership , and aren't ?

          Say's enough for me .

  7. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 7 months ago

    Hypocrisy of liberals who love illegal immigration and then use the hypocrisy of Walmart hiring the illegals  to prove their American corporate hatred ?  Maybe that's why they drive foreign cars , sip french wines ,  wear Vietnamese undies  and  smoke Cuban cigars ?

    Buy American ! That means , made in the USA .

  8. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 7 months ago

    It is lame to automatically inject that the republican party alone elected Trump ,  He was elected by the incredible movement of disgust and dissalligned people of the two party "lock down" in America , center republicans , center democrats ,  independents , angry youth , even women who see clearer than others that something different had to be done ,People from all rounds of political  belief elected Trump .
    The left is just jealous of a movement --not begun by them and ultimately leaving you behind in the incredible media bias .

    Sad part is , you can't get over the emotional breakdown of that .

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      You know what, horse? Some conservatives believe that backing a pussy-grabbing, lying, bullying, narcissistic, incurious man-chid is a bridge too far.

      How much of your honor will you subvert in order to remain loyal to your tribe?

      Where will you finally bottom out? When Don Jr. is indicted? When?

      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        No one's as morally biased as those of you who hate P.P .  Look at it this way , unlike JFK or Bill Clinton or Hilary ,  You actually had the chance to find out your presidents
        moral " crimes " BEFORE he is elected .

        A political first ?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          I don't hate Trump or his fake sycophants. I feel sorry that their moral compass is either nonexistent or easily disoriented.

          Those tax cuts sure made the donors happy, though.

          1. ahorseback profile image77
            ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            OH ?   You mean you gave to the cause too ?

            You should get over your Trump Hate Derangement and stop ignoring the reality of all our collective political , economic success .

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              Huh? Your ramblings must be wafting over my little ol' naive liberal hippie head.

              1. ahorseback profile image77
                ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                How do you so easily ignore the economics alone  of Trumps leadership , I understand your personally and emotionally directed hatred of him, yet the economy is beginning a path  down a road of good fortune for all ?
                Explain the economic numbers , all of them combined ?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  Even if I agreed with you that the good economic indicators are all Trump-driven (which I don't), I could not overlook the laughable  foreign policy decisions that are resulting in waning U.S. leadership and influence around the world.

                  The low man in the Oval Office taints everyone around him. He is an ugly boil that one tries not to look at but cannot ignore.  The boil will be lanced, one way or another.

                  Like I have repeatedly stated, I would not let Trump take care of my dog, much less my country. He is beneath the minimum standard of competency and character  I would require for someone to be allowed in my home. Why would I want him to be my president?

                  1. ahorseback profile image77
                    ahorsebackposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    For one , you mistake , as all liberals do ,  world likability for  actual respect , the world laughed at Obama's immaturity except for Islam ,  I would far rather have a respectful fear than "likability "any day .   

                    You mistake leadership and influence by replacing it with  political correctness ,  Obama's singular  likability came from diplomacy like his Paris Accords ,  and his kissing the A$$ of Islam .  As he well learned , Islam only respects diplomacy from incredible military strength . And the Paris Accords , are no more .

 
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