First Successful Legislative Filibuster Mounted By the GOP Minority
The GOP Held Strong Using The First Filibuster To Stop The Democrats Cold In Their Tracks
May 28, 2021 --- "Senate Republicans on Friday halted an effort to form a bipartisan Jan. 6 commission to investigate the Capitol attack, marking the first successful legislative filibuster mounted by the GOP minority.
The legislation needed 60 votes Friday to overcome a GOP filibuster, but Republicans blocked the legislation from advancing during a procedural vote. The vote was 54 to 35. Just six Republicans joined with Democrats: Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, and Rob Portman of Ohio."
The House already passed legislation on May 19 to form the independent panel with support from 35 Republicans, despite opposition from former President Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.
But the legislation faced an uphill climb in the 50-50 split Senate, with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., also opposing the commission. McConnell argued there are already enough investigations into the Jan. 6 attack. " Sorce -- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate … pitol-riot
Do you think we will see Biden's agenda fail due to the filibuster?
Will we see the GOP filibuster all Joe's grandiose plans for America?
Will using the filibuster to stop Biden's far-left agenda perhaps protect America's democracy in the end?
Actually, do you think Joe pretty much knew most of his campaign promises were never going to see the light of day but pandered with offering promises he knew were dead in the water due to the filibuster?This is an example why the filibuster must be removed and the GOP plowed down like grass on my lawn. With Republican obstruction nothing can be accomplished, I am with Bernie, let's dispense with it.
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Even the DINO, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, may now recognize the futility of trying to negotiate with Republicans.McConnell has repeatedly made the statement that he wants to move past January 6, and argued that it would be a "purely political exercise." There are very few in the GOP that would argue the insurrection was inexcusable, and that the message Trump was presented to citizens may have attributed to the riot. However, would be hard to prove intent.
Today Mitch stated- "The Department of Justice is deep into a massive criminal investigation," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) countered. "I do not believe the additional, extraneous 'commission' that Democratic leaders want would uncover crucial new facts or promote healing. Frankly, I do not believe it is even designed to."
Many more Republicans have raised concerns about the structure and scope of the bill, and they are worried it was meant to extend beyond its deadline and affect the 20 elections and become a well-planned cudgel for the Democrats. — despite the promises that the commission would wrap up its work by the end of the year.
The Republicans certainly showed good reasons upfront for not supporting the investigation. IMO we should move past an investigation, and realize we have many other pressing problems on our plate. Very serious problems, that the Government hopes to take our eyes and ears off.
So do we really need another investigation by Congress when the DOJ is doing an extensive investigation on what occurred on Jan 6th? Maybe Congress should settle in and solve some of the countries current problems. Perhaps tackle a good infrastructure bill or tackle the immigration problems that are clearly growing worse over the past 12 years. We need to have Congress have a look at our failing educational system. And how about getting to the bottom of what kind of virus we are dealing with that killed over 3 million people? Was it man-made, perhaps meant to be a weapon created by China? Orr how about the stats on Fentynal making its way into America, the stats are historical, unbelievable... https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ur-borders
But the media just does not feel you need to know those numbers. I mean Joe claims it all being handled. Are you aware of the number of migrants that are making their way in daily?. And let me not forget rising crime --- Have a look at some stats
https://www.aol.com/news/poll-more-amer … 31184.html
My God in reality all of what I have listed are far more important problems than a riot at the Capitol. All of the problems I list are serious problems that affect American citizens. The Capitol means very little to me... This Congress needs to do the job they were sent to Washington to do --- to solve problems that affect us all, and set priorities.
Let's face it we have some really big growing problems, and the Jan 6th riot is being handled by the department it should be handled by --- the DOJ. The media has put up smoke screens to keep you busy, better make your way out of the smoke, and have a look-see what's really going on.
In regard to Manchin will vote whichever way he is told to vote, one only needs to note he always holds off until the very end to announce his vote. He does this to kiss up to his base, and those in his state that are conservative. He is a politician that always projects --- I tried, I did my best but had to vote the way I did..... An old well-used ploy. He is hanging on by his teeth in his West Virginia. His seat is one of the most vulnerable seats, and he lost some of his base in 2018. He won by a smaller margin than his previous run. He is on thin ice. So who knows if he would go along with canning the filibuster.
What is evident, America has serious problems and a do-nothing president. He seeking to make more problems with his flighty policies.Sharlee, of course Mc Connell wants to move on. He is protecting his partisan flank. His opinion means less than nothing for me particularly considering the way he has behaved over the last few years.
America has serious problems, yes, and the fact that unwashed rightwing oriented mobs can storm the Capitol, threaten lives, all while it is in session IS a serious problem. It is more than just a riot. Manchin recognizes obstinate and pointless resistance when he sees it. I hope he is smart enough to not continue to play into GOP hands. The Capitol represents the government and rule by law which the hillbillies desecrate in protest over legitimate process.So, no, Sharlee, I don't buy it.
I have to evaluate and grade Biden on his performance point by point. For right now, he is the President legitimately elected by both popular vote and the Electoral College. If he fails, you will remove him in 2024, or swap Congress with GOP majorities in 2022. I am for Biden and his agenda, and will support him in the direction that it is successful.
What I see is that the Republicans are dastardly and dishonest in almost everything they soil with their grubby hands.
In spite of what your opinion is about Biden, mine remains quite the contrary
I think what you will see is the elimination of the filibuster. the democrats have the legislative votes to strike it. (I think?).
GAAll it takes will take is a simple majority vote in the Senate to rid Congress of the filibuster — and this can be done at any time. Will the Democrats take the gamble of canning the filibuster? I would think with the problems the current administration is having it certainly would be is a huge gamble, and could very well backfire depending on what bill gets pushed through due to doing away with the filibuster. And if they go down the path of pushing through all the grandiose policies on their wish list it could be a giant nail in their coffin in 2024. I take the Dems, as a rule, to be good at strategy, so will they gamble on such a far-left agenda? Maybe, it will be interesting to see if they kill the filibuster, and I would think we don't have long to wait. I won't go out on a limb and predict, you're a brave man, Mr. GA. The Democratic party has become somewhat unpredictable post-Trump. so you might be correct in your prediction.
I will predict if they do go so far as to get rid of the filibuster it will cause lots of unrest, and a Republican win in 2024. Maybe this is what the country needs to wake up from a long sleep.Sharlee: Do you have any idea how bad it makes the GOP look by not cooperating with the investigation? Their efforts to block the investigation is a pure admission of guilt because they are afraid of what it is going to uncover.. They are protecting their own kind and Trump because they have placed their chances for re-election above all else.
We as tax payers pay for their salaries to make laws that are in our best interest, not theirs. All they are doing is making laws and policies that benefit big moneyed interest that fund their campaigns. That's why they don't want Biden to raise cooperate taxes. They are beholden to the money, not us.
They are going to their constituents to continue the lie that the election was stolen. They love to continue that conspiracy, but refuse to investigate the root cause of the insurrection. How friggin hypocritical can they be?LOL Democrats have put enormous effort, time and resources in attempting to remove Trump from the political area...and failed miserably both times. And you complain that Republicans don't cooperate in yet another effort? How friggin hypocritical can liberals be when their goal is so obvious? Any extra "investigation" into the riot at the capital (there was no "insurrection" there any more than there was one in Seattle) is being called for to prevent Trump from running again. And that is as obvious as the "D" after the names calling for it.
I am so sick of hearing about the Jan 6 riot. The Congress was back in the building hours after the protest, there was b=very little damage. The people of Portland that lost businesses can't say the same. In fact, these fools are still in portland nightly making trouble. I just hope the Republicans continue to push back on every crazy bill that is put in front of them.
We have always had riots throughout this nation's history, but never has the Capitol building been attacked and the very governance placed under threat.
We have never had 100 straight days (nights) of violent rioting in a city before. But we have had the capital building occupied before...and without calling it an "insurrection".
When was the Capitol building occupied and attacked without the consent of those officials that are supposed to be there, 1814?
I believe you have caught me out; it seems that I was mistaken and it was the Wisconsin capital building that was occupied in 2011.
However, the Hart Senate Building on Capital was occupied in 2018 and the Capital building closed as a result. SCOTUS has been subjected to rioters as well, although none actually got inside.
My apologies; I was in error.
That wasn't a prediction as much as it was a look-back at modern politics. Both sides have "resorted" to using a `Nuclear Option',—and have gotten away with it.
GAI stand corrected you did say 'I think". On the surface, I could agree. However, I think at this point in our history politicians on both sides are going to be unpredictable. Not all that sure the Democrats have the votes. I would also, think with so much negativity going on in the country the Democrats may opt to go with whichever way the wind is blowing. It will also depend on what bill or should I say agenda they are trying to push through.
For instance, I already hear rumblings of inflation getting worse, and not sure people in either party would be pleased with bills full of flaky earmarks when milk prices have doubled as well as gas prices. I guess we will see who has the stuffing to stand behind fluff and maybe lose their own comfortable seat in the Capitol.
This will be a very interesting 4 years.
Back to the threads subject ----
For Democrats, GOP filibuster of Jan. 6 commission raises some new questions...
A Republican filibuster Friday of an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol sparked outrage among Senate Democrats ranging from Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer to centrist West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin.
It was the first bill to die by a minority filibuster in the era of President Joe Biden, which carries warning signs for the rest of his agenda in the Senate, where Democrats are in charge but need 10 Republicans to move most legislation under the existing rules.
Democrats have the power to change those rules but lack the unanimity it would require of the 50-member caucus. And when the Senate returns from a weeklong Memorial Day recess, Schumer appears ready to test his members.
He promised votes on the Paycheck Fairness Act and a bill that includes the proposition that the Federal Gov started making our voting laws... A huge Democrat blanket that would dictate our voting rights — this bill has a viable path to a majority vote but not 60 to defeat a filibuster.
Any thoughts on what you think will happen with this bill?Sharlee: This is an update to my previous reply. I wrote that at 10 p.m. last night. I must have been sleepy. Nice segway by the way, just ignore my reply. Here is where we left off.
M-Not one republican office holder objecting to Biden’s victory have objected to their own wins, on the same day, on the same ballots, using the same election system. How do you explain that?
This is your reply to my question:
S-I certainly can't explain why the Republicans that won did not speak up or if some did?
M-I don’t think you understand how profound that statement is and the logic behind it. The republicans who ran for office and won were on the same ballots that they are now claiming were used in voter fraud and stealing the election. Therefore, if the recount shows there was voter fraud, it invalidates their win as well because they won by voters using the same ballots they claim are illegal. Their votes are on the same piece of paper…do you get it now? They didn’t speak up as you say because they don’t want to invalidate their votes. Do you realize how absurd this is? The same ballots that got Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Bobert elected are the same ones that they claim are illegal.
" Do you have any idea how bad it makes the GOP look by not cooperating with the investigation? "
I made myself clear the DOJ is doing an investigation as is the FBI.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic … e-n1266580
In my view, Congress has enough on its plate than investigating a
true crime. In regard to the GOP looking quilty, that would be your opinion, as you see by my previous comment we disagree. I feel as Mitch does the Dem's are hoping to along with the media to divert American's way from the mess Biden is making of the country. They should concentrate on doing their job, not throwing up smoke screens to feed liberals. I was a citizen worry about the economy, crime, immigration problems... If they want to investigate something how about a virus out of CHINA that has killed million! Liberals always make me shake my head. Jan 6th is passed, we have the FBI as well as the DOJ making sure every aspect of the day is being investigated. We don't need a bunch of talking heads politicking on our dime.
" They are protecting their own kind and Trump because they have placed their chances for re-election above all else. "
This could be part of it, the Rep certainly did learn that many American's appreciate Trumpism. They are starting to take plays from the Dem's playbook. I find this amusing. There is no shortage of Hypocrisy when it comes to Congress (on both sides).
Yes, we all pay for Congress to pass laws, you might want to slow your jets and realize many of us stand behind Mitches decision to block an added investigation of the Jan 6 protest due to it being overkill, and clearly political. Not to pension a waste of time and taxpayers money.
IMO the country is in trouble with this due to the Biden administration. This administration hopefully steps up to face the many brewing problems. We are crashing and burning at warp speed. I am very thankful that the Republicans are standing firm on all the crazy that the Democrats are putting on the table. I have faith they will continue to stand strong.
I know we disagree, however, I have been honest and shared my opinion.Sharlee: So in other words, getting to the root cause of the attack on the Capital and the people is not worth the time and it is nothing more than a smoke screen put up by liberals to protect Biden. And we should move on from January 6.
But it's O.K. for Trump supporters to continue the conspiracy theory of the stolen election and continue counting votes. Do you expect Biden to step down as president if they find there was real voter fraud?... which their isn't.
If you would watch the real news instead of MAGA news, you would know that Biden is calling for an investigation to find the root cause of the virus. He is giving them 90 days.We already know the root cause of the capital riot; months and months of liberals making it clear as glass that it is not only all right to riot and destroy but actually encouraged. Even the real insurrection in Seattle (where some of the city was occupied for days without any govt. entity, including police and fire, allowed in) was ignored; why not this one? Just because liberals label it an "insurrection" designed to "take over the government"?
Do you actually know a single Trump supporter that thinks the election was "stolen" somehow? I'd guess that I know more supporters than you do and not a one thinks that. 100% of them, in fact, think Trump simply threw a tantrum and made a fool of himself when liberals refused to make any investigation even after hearing eyewitness testimony of fraud. Because we all know that it would not have changed the election without investigating anything, after all.
Biden has re-opened Trump's investigation into Wuhan, the one he canceled as soon as he hit office. He apparently does not trust WHO, although he DID claim that we should leave it all up to them when he took office. There is another thread where that is brought out (I posted it a day or two ago) and Sharlee acknowledged that she had already heard it. It is interesting, though, that he thinks he can accomplish anything in China, with the Chinese government actively hiding whatever they can, in 90 days when it took a year to figure out that Trump did not collude with Putin."Sharlee: So in other words, getting to the root cause of the attack on the Capital and the people is not worth the time and it is nothing more than a smoke screen put up by liberals to protect Biden. And we should move on from January 6. "
I trust the FBI and DOJ will get to the bottom of the motive, many have been arrested and charged, and actually offered their own explanations on why they decided to join in on that day. Not sure what you are looking for? And yes I think the Democrats have found themselves very quickly drowning in problems with a man that made promises that were unrealistic, and they fully realize they are not going to be able to push any of them through Congress. Free free free, it has backfired.
I have no idea what Trump supporters are doing. I have moved on, as has said time after time --- we have a new president, and at this point, I can add a failing president. I don't care about what happened in the last election, I am more worried about future voting laws, and hope to keep the decision-making on those laws in the states. I do not approve of the Fed Gov dictating voting laws with a big old blanket!
I have no idea what would happen if widespread fraud is proven.
At this point, I guess Congress would need to step up and handle such a mess. Our history gives up no precedent to fall back on. I would hope at best if fraud is found whatever methods were used could be pointed out, and our laws changed so these methods could not be initiated ever
again.
I am fully aware he has once again called for a 90-day investigation on a very big problem that needs immediate attention. You would laugh if you knew how many 90 day committees Biden has in the works... Laughable. He can't solve the problem. He uses the old old Den handbook --- just tell them you are putting together a committee to have a look at the problem, and they will be getting back to you. Yeah, that will do the trick... Come on...
As I have told you I don't watch talk jocks, and you should give some thought to doing the same.
Were you aware of China locking down a city of 15 million yesterday due to what they are saying is a COVID uptick? At least that is what we are being told... Wonder if that's true? I recall how they hid the outbreak of COVID 19 and pretty much has cost millions of their lives. One must do research to find real news because the two propaganda networks just report what they want you to be aware of. You know what flavor of ice cream Joe had today. I will be keeping an eye on a virus outbreak in China. To me, this just overrides the Jan 6th protest at the Capitol. Just saying. So much happening, and so little coverage. That should get you a bit concerned. Are you aware of the true numbers pouring in at our border or that more fentanyl has been confiscated n Joe's first 4 months than all of 2020? Have you checked out drug overdoses in Joe's first 5 months? I am trying to make a point, we have a hot mess going on in the country, and I don't care about Trump or what he may have done. And we just have a man in the White House that is ill equipt to solve problems, and the entire world realizes this, but some of our own citizens just can't bring themselves to see the mess we are in.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor … 058736.cmsMuch of China reminds me of India; the news is reporting that the pandemic in India is much worse than reported, because India has no idea of how many got ill or died in much of the country. With no medical care, millions upon millions of people simply get sick, and perhaps die, without anyone in government knowing about it. I can't imagine the rural areas of China being any different.
Guangzhou, a business and industrial center of 15 million people. I find it odd that this story was even permitted out of China. Feels like more than meets the eye. China lies, this report is odd. The source was claimed to be spokesmen from China's Health Authorities.
Breaking on a Saturday the story is getting little more than a mention. I was just Checking The India Times to check out how they were doing with COVID.Let's say a football coach says to his team and to their fans, if we lose the game then it is rigged. So they lose the game and what do the fans and the team do, they attack the football commissioner and his staff for rigging the game. Not only do they do that, but they force the staff to change the rules of the game so that they win every time. Now, the other teams want the team to be investigated, but they refuse to do it because they want to move on because the super bowl is coming up and that is more important to them.
That's precisely what has happed with the attack on the Capital and is still happening to this day.
Fact: Trump beat his drum for months with his rallies, social media, and MAGA news, if he lost the election then it was rigged.
Fact: Trump incited the riot and attack of the congress that was certifying the votes. Their motive was to stop the certification process, but instead, they killed and wounded several people.
Fact: Trump supporters are still counting ballots and governors are redistricting and creating voter suppression laws to change the outcome of the next election in their favor.
Fact: The GOP doesn't want a 911 style commission to investigate what happened because they know it will affect their chances for re-election.
Fact: There are two Qanon members now in congress who participated in the riot. Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert who believe the conspiracy theory that liberals are trafficking children to gain world power. In addition, both of them are now spreading anti-Semitic tropes.
Fact: This is the core of the GOP that is ruled by Trump. They have cheated and lied to stay in power.
Fact: Trump has admitted that he plays to people's fantasies to influence their thinking. He is so good at it, he still has power over his core of the GOP, including Mitch McConnell.
Opinion: Trump supporters and Biden haters want to move on because they are afraid of the consequences that has been wrought on this country by one Donald J. Trump.
So they point to what they believe and expect as the downfall of Biden as being more important than an investigation of the root cause of the attack on the Capital to prevent it from ever happening again. When in fact, it is a cover-up for what Trump has caused for them not getting re-elected.A very odd analogy that literally fits what the Dems did pre-election as well as after the election. This election was irregular in the fact that ten states and jurisdictions proactively sent out unrequested ballots, some for the first time due to the coronavirus pandemic, approximately 44.2 million unregistered voters in total. So in regard to your analogy --- the game rules were changed, and confusion was created due to the changes the other team put forth.
I don't agree that there in any respect we need a third investigation, let's just leave the investigation to law enforcement... This is just another foolish witchhunt that as I said is nothing but a pile of feed to keep liberal's heads spinning. I prefer to have our law enforcement agencies do the investigation, that's what they are paid for. Your argument to me is a very weak argument.
"Fact: There are two Qanon members now in congress who participated in the riot. Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert believe the conspiracy theory that liberals are trafficking children to gain world power. In addition, both of them are now spreading anti-Semitic tropes."
Do you have proof of this? My gosh, this is a ridiculous statement. It could be compared to me calling AOC a member of the Communist party... You are making accusations that are purely that --- accusations that hold on factual evidence.
I regard Trump proclaiming the election as fraudulent, this is a factual statement. However, there is no way of connecting him to ordering an insurrection. This is impossible to prove. He tried up a crowd of citizens, there is no evidence he ordered a riot. In fact, his statements on the very day of the riot called for peaceful protesting.
I am a person that does not buy into conspiracy theories. I like proof and don't clutter my mind with what ifs, as a rule.
I have moved well beyond the last election, I could careless to look for a pound of flesh. I am more concerned about the president that is harming America today, currently... I have been posting his destructive mistakes as he dishes them up, and offering facts to back his horrendous mistakes. I have very few addressing those threads. Heads in the sand are abundant here at the Hup Political forum.
Liberals making every effort to regurgitate all that was Trump.
You clearly have made your view on the need to have Congress investigate the Jan 6 riot. and that you are displeased with the Republicans kicking sand in the faces of the Dems.
We disagree, I prefer moving on, and letting our two law enforcement agencies get to the bottom of what occurred. They have made many arrests, and I have hopes those that committed crimes will be punished for breaking the law.
Nothing can prevent it from happening again, in fact, the way things are headed well could happen again. This is a free country, if citizens are of the mind to revolt I assume they will. I certainly don't condone any form of the riot that turns to violence, but this is where we have ended up. And the fool liberals that rioted in the Dem coy=tis all last summer, have opened that door...Set precedent, gave way to citizens accepting violence as the thing to do if you have a problem.
Even called for defunding law enforcement. Your analogies are weak ones in my book. Congress vs FBI or DOJ --- I will stick with the pros.
I in no way want to move on as you imply... Just hope to see the right agencies investigate. No need the waste time and money. Congress has a big problem they should be working on. We have a new president, let's keep an eye on him.
In fact, I just posted a thread that shows a true problem Congress should be investigating. A problem that truly needs looking at to help prevent another pandemic disaster. I think all American's would agree we need an investigation into China's part in killing over 3 million people worldwide. We need to move on to real problems...
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … estigated-S- A very odd analogy that literally fits what the Dems did pre-election as well as after the election. This election was irregular in the fact that ten states and jurisdictions proactively sent out unrequested ballots, some for the first time due to the coronavirus pandemic, approximately 44.2 million unregistered voters in total. So in regard to your analogy --- the game rules were changed, and confusion was created due to the changes the other team put forth.
M-Not one republican office holder objecting to Biden’s victory have objected to their own wins, on the same day, on the same ballots, using the same election system. How do you explain that?
S-I don't agree that there in any respect we need a third investigation, let's just leave the investigation to law enforcement... This is just another foolish witchhunt that as I said is nothing but a pile of feed to keep liberal's heads spinning. I prefer to have our law enforcement agencies do the investigation, that's what they are paid for. Your argument to me is a very weak argument.
M- In other words you trust Biden’s DOJ to do the investigation and you would be satisfied with the results? I find that very strange indeed. Did you ever think it could backfire on your agenda? Law enforcement is not looking into the root cause of the problem. They are only convicting those who violated the law.
"Fact: There are two Qanon members now in congress who participated in the riot. Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert believe the conspiracy theory that liberals are trafficking children to gain world power. In addition, both of them are now spreading anti-Semitic tropes."
S-Do you have proof of this? My gosh, this is a ridiculous statement. It could be compared to me calling AOC a member of the Communist party... You are making accusations that are purely that --- accusations that hold on factual evidence.
M- For your dining and dancing pleasure. Please indulge Anderson Cooper until the end.
https://youtu.be/LSQT1kMfCTs
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/05/qan … -congress/
S-I regard Trump proclaiming the election as fraudulent, this is a factual statement. However, there is no way of connecting him to ordering an insurrection. This is impossible to prove. He tried up a crowd of citizens, there is no evidence he ordered a riot. In fact, his statements on the very day of the riot called for peaceful protesting.
M- Of course not, that’s why his supporters don’t want an investigation. They are afraid it will point to Trump.
S-I am a person that does not buy into conspiracy theories. I like proof and don't clutter my mind with what ifs, as a rule.
I have moved well beyond the last election, I could careless to look for a pound of flesh. I am more concerned about the president that is harming America today, currently... I have been posting his destructive mistakes as he dishes them up, and offering facts to back his horrendous mistakes. I have very few addressing those threads. Heads in the sand are abundant here at the Hup Political forum.
S-Liberals making every effort to regurgitate all that was Trump.
M- While you and Trump supporters make every effort to regurgitate Biden in little more than 100 days in office.
You clearly have made your view on the need to have Congress investigate the Jan 6 riot. and that you are displeased with the Republicans kicking sand in the faces of the Dems.
We disagree, I prefer moving on, and letting our two law enforcement agencies get to the bottom of what occurred. They have made many arrests, and I have hopes those that committed crimes will be punished for breaking the law.
S-Nothing can prevent it from happening again, in fact, the way things are headed well could happen again. This is a free country, if citizens are of the mind to revolt I assume they will. I certainly don't condone any form of the riot that turns to violence, but this is where we have ended up. And the fool liberals that rioted in the Dem coy=tis all last summer, have opened that door...Set precedent, gave way to citizens accepting violence as the thing to do if you have a problem.
M- You are making a false equivalence.
S-Even called for defunding law enforcement. Your analogies are weak ones in my book. Congress vs FBI or DOJ --- I will stick with the pros.
M-Then why didn’t the “pros” do the 9-11 investigation. You were O.K. with that weren’t you?
S-I in no way want to move on as you imply... Just hope to see the right agencies investigate. No need the waste time and money. Congress has a big problem they should be working on. We have a new president, let's keep an eye on him.
M-Keeping on eye on the new president and refusing an investigation are two different things. But you have no problem with the recounting of ballots and blaming the liberals for voter fraud.
S-In fact, I just posted a thread that shows a true problem Congress should be investigating. A problem that truly needs looking at to help prevent another pandemic disaster. I think all American's would agree we need an investigation into China's part in killing over 3 million people worldwide. We need to move on to real problems...
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … estigated-I certainly can't explain why the Republicans that won did not speak up or if some did?
I have no reason to mistrust the current DOJ or the FBI. I support what they are doing, and the arrest they have already made. I would think the people that have been arrested and charged perhaps offered their motive. I have no way of knowing the motives of over 200 people. I would think the motive or root of the problem was clear by their signage and their chants. They felt and probably still do think the election was fraudulent. What do you think these people's motives were? I think they made their motive very clear. We have many citizens that will not accept the election. Not sure My only agenda at this point is to keep my eye on what the new president is doing.
I must ask where you have seen proof that Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert believe the conspiracy theory that liberals are trafficking children to gain world power. I have not seen any factual evidence of that. I would be interested in evidence if you can provide it. I at this point consider that a conspiracy theory of the liberals. I will admit both are outspoken obnoxious women. AS is all four of the squad.
"- Of course not, that’s why his supporters don’t want an investigation. They are afraid it will point to Trump."
To repeat we have two law enforcement agencies doing investigations. The DOJ has the power to arrest and charge one with a crime. Congress does not hold these kinds of powers or should it be their jobs.
"Then why didn’t the “pros” do the 9-11 investigation. You were O.K. with that weren’t you?"
I in no respect compare a protest by American's to a foreign terrorist group attacking America. I find your analogy hyperbolic. I look at the Jan 6th as a protest that got out of hand, the same as the protests that went on all last summer night after night. Sorry just my view.
"But you have no problem with the recounting of ballots and blaming the liberals for voter fraud."
I have never done that, I have made claims that due to so many citizens being upset about the election it would be a good idea to do recounts, do audits, and anything that could clarify and satisfy all that the election was well investigated. I have always felt it the fair thing to do. I don't feel so many citizens should be ignored when they feel fraud occurred. I have followed the recounts, and court cases, I see many states once again are recounting. It is my hope this will one way or the other be enough to satisfy those that still have doubts.
Again your last concern --- We have two investigations ongoing. I trust the pros. I just don't see the two even close to being comparable.Sharlee:
"I must ask where you have seen proof that Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert believe the conspiracy theory that liberals are trafficking children to gain world power. I have not seen any factual evidence of that. I would be interested in evidence if you can provide it. I at this point consider that a conspiracy theory of the liberals. I will admit both are outspoken obnoxious women. AS is all four of the squad.'"
Apparently, you overlooked these two link I posted in my last reply.
https://youtu.be/LSQT1kMfCTs
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/05/qan … -congress/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/death … InAppShare
"Let's say a football coach says to his team and to their fans, if we lose the game then it is rigged. So they lose the game and what do the fans and the team do, they attack the football commissioner and his staff for rigging the game."
It would be a lot more accurate comparison if you had said that two of the 20 thousand fans attacked the football commissioner and staff, and without approval from the coach. Because that's what happened, not that the entire fan base, or even 1% of it attacked anything at all.
Fact: Trump did not "incite the riot"; he was very, very clear that he wanted a peaceful march on the capital, not a riot.
Fact: No one is attempting "voter suppression"; only trying to make voting as easy as possible while ensuring as much as possible that there is no cheating. This the liberals refuse to accept; they want cheating to be as easy as possible while being ignored as not happening.
Fact: The Democrats are once more going after Trump as a method of removing a viable candidate from the next election - pretty much the same as voter suppression, wouldn't you say?
Fact: no one has cheated to keep Trump in power. The Democrats have lied continuously to promote that quaint opinion, but there is no truth in it.
Opinion: Democrats are still very wary of having to face Trump once more in an election and will do anything and everything they possibly can to prevent such an event for one of the consequences Trump brought about was a lessening of power by Democrats.
So they make up more lies, and present more opinions as factual, as an excuse to once more put the full power of America to work to find something, anything, that would eliminate their future opponent from the ring. This would be the third time they have tried, and there is no end in sight of their efforts to fix the election process in their favor.
I do understand your logic. However, in the last election, we had unsolicited mail-in ballots, many people were getting multiple ballots. The Rep feel many fraudulent votes were sent in for Biden. I can see your theory could make sense if the person filling in the entire ballot voting for Democrats down-ticket
I know that the Rep party requested hand counts and did find minor fraud. such as dead people voting or people voting that were not registered and so on.
The narrative of the 2020 election is that Joe Biden did pretty well … but down-ballot Democrats, not so much. And while this is true if you look simply at the results — Republicans defended most of their vulnerable Senate seats and gained several seats in the House.
This leads me to think widespread fraud was not committed. After recounts were performed I excepted the result and moved on. If widespread fraud occurred it was not proven. I am at this point satisfied with states revamping their voting laws if they saw problems with any form of fraud. I think this should help citizens feel more secure when casting their votes.
This next fight will be the bill that will be looked at this week that contains an earmark that would have the Federal Gov dictating their own blanket rules on voters. I don't like to approve of Fed Gov overriding the states in regard to voting rules. Each state has different needs, and I very much hope the Republicans will stop the bill, even if it takes the filibuster. This earmark should be removed from the bill, as well as a few others. To
important to be dangling off a bill, just to push it through.
It's time to move past the last election and concentrate on the next one.
Too much going on right now in the country, I am not willing to have media smoke to make me unaware of the here the now...Sharlee:
You state that each state has different needs and it will make the voters feel more secure. However, the Heritage Foundation has come up with a set of voter suppression laws that are designed to give the republicans the advantage for the next election.
It is uniform across all the battle ground states and they are hell bent on pushing it through, so the next election will be in their favor.
HR 1. is designed to prevent the voter suppression the republicans need in order to ensure they win the next election...talk about voter fraud!!
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 … sion-laws/A while back the GA bill that changed a few of the voting laws was discussed here. I took the time to read the long boring bill. I can say with honesty I saw nothing that would prevent any citizen to vote if they wanted to.
I have also read the bill here in Michigan that stipulated a few common-sense changes.
The bills would bar Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson from sending out absentee ballot applications unless they are specifically requested by voters. Benson, a Democrat, sent out applications to all registered voters in 2020 amid the pandemic, which did draw criticism from many Michigan citizens. The bills also require applicants for absentee ballots to present or attach a copy of identification and overhaul large counties' canvassing boards and mandate that absentee ballot drop boxes be monitored by video recordings.
I don't find a problem with the changes if the bill passes here in Michigan.
I do know some states are working on making changes to voting laws, I would not like to comment on something that is I have not at least looked at.
I do believe as I said each state may have different preferences depending on the needs of the citizens.
I read HR1 the Democrats are proposing Government overreaches I don't in any respect agree with. Many earmarks are attached. You need to read some of the bill. It certainly is not solely about voter suppression.
Funny how the Dems have so many screaming about voting laws. We seem to have done fine for many decades. But now not so much...I find this comical. No one is out to stop any registered voter from voting.
So, after reading a couple of long boring bills I can't agree that we need the Federal Government to usurp the State's rights in regards to voting laws.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con … use-bill/1
I very much doubt this bill will pass, the Republicans will use the filibuster.Sharlee:
S-I very much doubt this bill will pass, the Republicans will use the filibuster.
M-Sure that's where a minority group in congress has power over the majority. What a bunch of B.S.
You read HR 1 which is 861 pages long? Here are examples of voter suppression.
https://www.adl.org/education/resources … uppressionI did read the better part of it, of course skipping over lots of earmarks, and wordy jargon. These bills are important, I do like to read any bill. They are all online on the Congresses website. Most are very long and as I said boring, but I think it wise to read any bill that the media is reporting due at times they tend to report things out of context. The flue everyone up, and in the end, they have not reported pure facts. The HR1 would give the Federal Government great oversite into states voting rules.
I have not read the Paycheck Fairness Act that Schumer will present to the Senate this week. I have just browsed a small list of what the Dems presented upfront. I am wondering if the Senate will use the filibuster once again.Your link of "voter suppression" was interesting.
If black people cannot go directly from Sunday church to the polls their vote has been "suppressed" somehow??? It's hard to think of a more ridiculous reason to call it "suppression" than that.
If seniors, with unlimited time on their hands, cannot vote early, on a day of their choosing, their vote has been "suppressed"?? Again, utterly ridiculous.
Requiring proof of citizenship to vote is "voter suppression"?? The only suppression there is for those that are NOT citizens!
Purging voter registration rolls of names that are no longer valid is "suppression"? We all know that such records, countrywide, contain millions of names of people that have moved, died or in other ways have become ineligible to vote; how is removing names of those not eligible to vote "suppression"? Unless the goal is to collect invalid ballots it cannot possibly be called suppression of anything.
Things like these are what makes the whole outcry of Republican "voter suppression" a farce, and makes it clear that Democrat efforts are designed to promote voting by those ineligible to participate in elections.Wilderness: What is a farce is recounting legitimate ballots to prove the election was stolen from Trump. What is a farce is denying a 9-11 type commission to protect Trump from his guilt of inciting domestic terrorism on the Capital on 1-6.
This article shows which states are trying to make it harder for people to vote and also which states are trying to make it easier for people to vote.
The only reason states want to make laws to make it harder to vote is so republicans can swing the vote their way. That's why HR-1 will remove that ability from the states, but it will never pass because republicans need the restrictions to control the voting. It's a threat to our democracy. Why else would republican governors need these restrictive laws enacted?
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ … p-may-2021Yes, it shows how voting is incredibly difficult if you can't vote as you leave church. Or if you can't pick your day because you are a senior and have unlimited time. Or you live in an adjoining state and must show ID to vote where you don't live.
The threat to our democracy is Democrats wishing to add unlimited voting for everyone (as many ballots as they wish), including non-citizens. Funny that that is never mentioned, don't you think? Only that your vote is "suppressed" somehow if you must show an ID or there isn't a polling location outside of any predominately black church.
A third Democrat attempt to remove Trump from the political arena has nothing to do with suppression of vote...unless you want to count such an action as suppression because the desired candidate was subjected to foul political shenanigans.
The question is not why Republicans deny open voting with no restrictions - the question is why Democrats are so demanding that there be no controls at all, even completely reasonable, simple, easy-to-satisfy ones. The only reason I can think of is that they think they will pick up enough illegal votes to swing the election. Can you think of anything else? Not counting the terrible hardship of proving who you are, same as is needed to cash a check, buy liquor, drive a car or get on an airplane, doesn't count. Nor does the incredible difficulty involved in not voting when you leave church.Wilderness: If Trump won the election, do you believe the republican governors would still go to the trouble of recounting ballots and passing restrictive voting laws? Trump said if he lost the election, it is rigged. Therefore if he won, the election would not be rigged and there would be no need for restrictive laws.
Don't you see how absurd this is. Now we have a country where there are people who think that Biden will have to step down as Trump is re-instated after a Myanmar like coup.
Why do you think these laws are only enacted in red battle ground states? Sure, they are simple and easy to comply with, but they are designed to block the votes that Biden would need for a second term and give the advantage to the GOP.
Why do the states have to have different voting laws to begin with? As far as simple goes, it would be more simple and uniform if all the states had the same laws. Then there would not be this patch-work of different laws for different states. It would be controlled at the federal level and level the playing field. We don't need restrictive laws for some states, we need the same laws for all states. The election for president is a federal election for God's sake.Has any winning candidate, in any election, ever called for a recount?
We also have a country with people that think the earth is flat, that an omnipotent ET from another universe created this one, and that no man has been on the moon. Your point? That out of 320,000,000 people some of them will be fools and idiots?
They are only enacted in red states because blue states want fraudulent votes and will not only tolerate them but encourage them by making it as easy as possible to cast such votes.
Of course it would be better if the Inuit in Alaska used the same rules/procedures as the ants in the concrete jungles of NYC, LA and Portland. I don't think so.
But it would be nice if all states had at least some common rules. Like voter ID, like not sending ballots to every address in the phone book and then never checking to see if it was a legal vote, like following rules as to when ballots must be cast or mailed. But we don't, because liberals can't get the votes if we disqualify illegal ballots.Wilderness: All very weak arguments. That's the the best you have? If Trump won, he would have been broadcasting to the world that it was the best election in the history of the world and it shows how much all the people in this country love him; or some other truthful hyperbolic nonsense that his people love to hear.
You want to blame the democrats for something the republicans started. Recounting ballots is the same as assuming the party is guilty until they are proven innocent. Just like any other conspiracy theory, it will die on the vine given enough time, but it will still serve to motivate people towards their goal.
Benghazi went on for three years and cost the tax payers 70 million. What was the end result?..nothing,.But it served its purpose for the GOP to slander Hillary for the rest of her political career.
Here is the irony. Michael Flynn was shouting lock her up, but he was the one who committed the crimes. If it wasn't for Trump pardoning him, he would be locked up. Now he has taken sides with Qanon to put together a Myanmar type coup to remove Biden from office. This is your GOP in action.
Do you know what ALEC is? It's the American Legislative Exchange Council that sends model bills used as templates for all the republican states to follow for their agenda. Take a look at the menu on the left side to learn more about ALEC and how it influences the states with its agenda, especially voting rights bills.
https://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/What_is_ALEC%3FThe best you have seems to be that Democrats, winning the election, did not call for a recount, so it was not needed and it was foolish for Republicans to do so. And the observation that NO winning candidate has ever done so is weak? I don't think so - I think it hits the nail squarely on the head, completely debunking the argument that no recount was needed because the winners did not ask for one. It was an exceedingly foolish argument from the beginning, right?
Benghazi was an excuse to slander Clinton? And yet the multiple, failed impeachment efforts and the crazy claims made (Trump colluded with Putin, Trump called for an insurrection to overthrow the government, etc.) are not a political effort to slander Trump. You need to rethink this argument as well. Both efforts, and the claims made us supposed support, are as bogus as they come and could only serve to slander the President. Just as the claim he told people to drink bleach, or the horrendous thought that he followed the law (as sworn to do) and incarcerated law breakers (illegal border crossings) with results you did not like, but were followed by Presidents both preceding and following him with no outcry at all.
Now, I recognize that you think Trump DID collude with Putin, and that his call for a peaceful march on DC was in coded language actually asking for an armed insurrection and murder. But however much you think these things are true does not make them true; it only serves to again slander the President for things he did not do.Wilderness: Hillary was investigated for three years and they came up with nothing. Trump has never been investigated for inciting the riot at the Capitol. That's why the GOP won't allow it, because if they did, they would more than likely find he was guilty.
What the DOJ is doing is arresting people who broke the law by their illegal actions that day. They are not going after the root cause of how and why those people assembled and tried to stop a legal process from taking place, while looking to kill Pelosi and Pence.
Did you learn anything about ALEC or are you afraid to admit what they are about and how they are controlling the GOP states agendas?Come on In the history of life on the planet no man has been accused of so many crimes and investigated for everything known to man.
Even if a man sought out to phycological get into a segment of the society's mind (as the media have done to many ) his motive would be impossible to prove.
I think you will need to hope New York gets him on a civil misdemeanor. That might be the only thing he may be found guilty of.
It's apparent you want a pound of flesh. Just not going to happen.
New York has his taxes, seems there was no there - there... Maybe one of the women that are seeing him for defamation may win...Sharlee: Do you think if Trump was an upright ethical person, he would be accused of so many things? He is a master at getting out of jams, The GOP is afraid a 9-11 type commission would find him guilty of inciting domestic terrorism. Those people were well coordinated. They did not all come together that day as an organic group. They were on a mission that was created by Trump. Many of them have already attested to that. A 9-11 type commission would be easy to prove Trump's motives.
Sharlee and Wilderness: Can you see the unbalance in the senate?
All these accusations or the majority came in his years as president, none have held water or showed any factual evidence to actually charge him with a crime. I have no real evidence to accuse him of being unethical... I find him outspoken, and very willing to offer his opinion, and ask questions. He is transparent and shows no fear of being transparent. I happen to prefer this characteristic. I don't care for one that guards their thoughts and is overly careful to tell me what I hope to hear.
I see you are obsessed with Trump and all that is and was Trump. However, you might want to look into what your guy is doing. He is crashing and burning very quickly.
Many certainly did come together from all over the country. This should worry you a bit. We have very dissatisfied citizens. and they certainly will become angrier watching Biden making policies that are hurting the country. Just consider what he did to Alaska today... These people will literally starve without the rights to drill enough oil to sustain Alaska as a state. My God people will suffer badly due to his poor decision
making.
You are being led around by media, they are leading you away from what is truly going on daily. I have a very hard time keeping up with the problems this administration is causing. I can't wrap my head around your mindset being stuck on Trump.
Have you done research on the Jan 6th insurrection? Did not many people first walk past the police and walk into the CCapitol, did they not then become a more massive crowd that became rowdy as the police decide to make an attempt to stop them? Are you aware the damage was minimal, as well it was not Pelosi's laptop that was said to be taken but her aids laptop? And in regards to deaths -- A police officer was beaten and hit with a fire extinguisher, and days later it was determined to die from natural causes. one female protester was shot by a police officer and died. three other protesters shot, and three others died of natural causes at the protest. Not one person that was arrested from the crowd of protesters had a gun, as the media has reported. Factually a stun gun was found on one of the people that were arrested, some had pepper spray, baseball bats, and flagpoles. All the same fun stuff the summer of love protesters had, but many of them did have guns... as well as firebombs.
A Mr. Greeson had a history of high blood pressure and suffered a heart attack amid the excitement.
Ben Philips, 50, of Bloomsburg, died that day after suffering a stroke before returning home to PA. He had driven a bus of Trump supporters building. Philips was one of four people who died amid the walk to the Capitol there’s no indication Philips himself participated in the riot.
Rosanne Boyland, 34, died due to being caught up in the rushing charge at the Capitol and was crushed.
The facts are not as exciting and as the media has to portrait them. Yet all the hype continues to be quoted, and in many cases made to look far worse than what occurred.
OMI it appeared to be a protest that quickly became out of hand and violent just like the summer riots. that killed
By the end of June, at least 14,000 people had been arrested and, by November 2020, 25 people had died in relation to the unrest. The summer brought more deaths as well as more arrests. I feel the ongoing nightly riots were far worse than the Capitol protest. These protesters went home, they clearly were there for the day, the day certainly got out of
hand.
At both protests, we had American's protesting a cause they believed in. American's have the right to protest, not sure why you think we get to pick causes. I found both causes not worthy of violence, but both groups our summer of love citizens and our Trump protesters thought differently. There is no excuse for the violence that occurred at either protest/riot.Sharlee: It's not a matter of being exciting. It's a matter of justice served. You down play what really happened by citing three people who were involved and died from undue stress. It sounds like you didn't even watch TV to see what really happened. All one has to do is read the banners signs and clothes the people were wearing. They were there on a mission and there is no denying they were there to vindicate Trump form what they thought was a stolen election and it is still going on today.
You say we should move on and forget about Trump. He still has a strangle hold on the GOP congress and they are obstructing Biden from doing his job. Trump is still a political force to be reckoned with. You are citing the riots and deaths in the summer. It was a peaceful protest until Trump brought in the military and tear gas.
Here are the things that Biden has done in his first 100 days that are good. Please list all the things that prove that Biden is "crashing and burning." (Your Words)
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021 … -days-off/I as a rule don't watch TV I get my news from a few outlets that just report the facts, like Reuters. So much easier not to be bogged down with hype, and twisted context. I also like youtube for news videos as well as Cspan.
Did you ever have a look at what the Portland protesters wore? They as a rule have covered faces, wearing all black. Compare it to the Jan 6th protesters, these people had bare facts, and yes many wore colorful costumes and political T-shirts. And yes, there is no denying they believed the election was stolen. No one can argue that. They most likely still do.
I agree Trump is still the leader of the Rep party., and I do not doubt if he does not run someone who will be nominated that incorporated Trumpism in their agenda.
Biden knew as his promises left his lips they were never going to see the light of day. He knows the game well, he has been in Washington for over 50 years. He pandered, most politicians pander. I doubt very much if he will get anything done, hopefully, he can get his infrastructure bill passed, and he will if both parties remove all the non-infrastructure earmarks that will bog it down. All the free free free was pandering to get himself voted in.
He has literally done nothing that was not a shoo-in... Nothing but send us into a speedy recession, make our immigration problem so much worse, and make us look like fools around the world. Kissing Putims ring as well as Germanys with the pipeline. I can't believe how he had the nerve to pull that off. Ya got yourself a loser. But don't feel bad, the majority are with you. But for me --- no just not joining in on the euphoria.
• The three biggest developments, experts say, have been the wide-scale coronavirus vaccination program --- I give this credit to Operation warp speed, Trump's problem-solving.
passage of his $1.9 trillion coronavirus and economic relief bill --- A gimmie Both parties won here. The Rep did not vote for it all along knowing it would pass, saved face, and their bases. The Dems claimed all the credit --- the winner. A gimmie for bot parties.
and the rejoining of the Paris climate accord. This is no accomplishment... Do some reading they are failing on all counts and were almost broke... But not anymore. LOL
As I said he has done so much harm, and zero good for any American.re: the infrastructure bill Biden wants to pass.
I begin to hear the term "social infrastructure", as something different from "physical infrastructure". This very much (very much) appears to be nothing more than liberal spin to promote more massive giveaways. As such I can only hope that it doesn't get passed. We cannot afford to pay quadruple (or more) for any work on actual infrastructure just because liberals want to give away more money.I have just made my way to have a look at the Infrastructure bill, it is full of non-infrastructure projects, the bigger part of the money would go to social programs, free free free.
I hope the Senate hang in and demand all the pork be removed, or use the filibuster.
We need an infrastructure bill that is all about infrastructure. Not free childcare, and free junior college. Which is a pipe dream anyway, we don't have a number of junior colleges in America to support the number of paying students that are on waiting lists to attend.Listen to the news over the past week or so. It was on CBS television.
Sharlee:
Lets’s parse what you wrote. My replies follow your comments.
He has literally done nothing that was not a shoo-in... It’s shoe in, not shoo in. I think that was a Freudian slip on your part. You want Biden to shoo.
Nothing but send us into a speedy recession, Trump had already put us in a recession. A recession is three consecutive quarters of GDP decline.
make our immigration problem so much worse, and make us look like fools around the world. Your opinion, But it’s O.K. That Trump really made us look like fools around the world.
Kissing Putin's ring as well as Germanys with the pipeline. I can't believe how he had the nerve to pull that off. Ya got yourself a loser. But don't feel bad, the majority are with you. But for me --- no just not joining in on the euphoria. Trump literally kissed Putin’s ass at those meetings. But that’s O.K. with you.
The three biggest developments, experts say, have been the wide-scale coronavirus vaccination program --- I give this credit to Operation warp speed, Trump's problem-solving. Oh Biden didn’t solve any problems with distribution of vaccines for everybody.
passage of his $1.9 trillion coronavirus and economic relief bill --- A gimmie Both parties won here. The Rep did not vote for it all along knowing it would pass, saved face, and their bases. The Dems claimed all the credit --- the winner. A gimmie for both parties.
and the rejoining of the Paris climate accord. This is no accomplishment... Do some reading they are failing on all counts and were almost broke... But not anymore. LOL
As I said he has done so much harm, and zero good for any American. You just said what the good was and it was with bipartisan support. Yes, and he did all this in 100 days in office. You are so prejudice about Biden or Joe as you call him, you even list the good and still think it is bad."This expression purportedly comes from the practice of corrupt jockeys holding their horses back and shooing a preselected winner across the finish line to guarantee that it will win. A “shoo-in” is now an easy winner, with no connotation of dishonesty. “Shoe-in” is a common misspelling."
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/shoe- … sspelling.
S -I did not find any dishonesty in the three examples you offered that you feel were Biden's accomplishments. I simply pointed out why I don't see them as accomplishments. I certainly did not imply any dishonesty.
S -Actually, all in the economy was pretty good all stats took an in recent weeks. Trump's economy was keeping us above water, and slowly coming back. Joe, was lucky in his first months that all was going along pretty smoothly. Now the economy is in recession. due to his careless money give away, and toying with employment... Not to mention a lack of consumer confidence. And the fear of what else Biden will be told to sign or do... Here is a good article non-bias, that can offer you a good picture of today's economy under Biden offering facts in the way of stats. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
P -Trump literally kissed Putin’s ass at those meetings. But that’s O.K. with you.
S- There is no other president that has hit Russia with sanctions as well as actions. No, Just a fact you seem to Ignore to push the narrative that Trump was in an alliance with Putin. That would have been Obama, and now Biden. It's clear Biden approved the pipeline as a measure to show he is willing to do anything to keep Dems in power, just a nice way of saying --- Hey, have our backs next election. And then let us consider the daily hacks that are coming out of Russia --- He claimed he will be putting his foot down... LOL So, your logic when it comes to Trump being in league with Putin just proves out to be unrealistic due to Trump's heavy hand when it came to sanctions and actions on Russia.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr … on-russia/
S Please remember It was Trump's sanctions on the Russian pipeline that Biden lifted. Not sure how in the world you could even conceive Trump was subservient to Putin. You seem to not be following the true facts, deeds... It is Biden that has showed true weakness, and it's for the very reason I offered --- help with the next election. Dem politicians are dirty when it comes to honesty, they lack it.
P- Oh Biden didn’t solve any problems with distribution of vaccines for everybody."
S - Simply no... He has not. The best thing he did was to stand aside and let OWS staff carry out well-made plans.
P --You just said what the good was and it was with bipartisan support."
S -The bipartisan support was politicking on both sides. Nothing more. That bill was a band-aid to keep party bases in place on both sides. here is some cash, remember me next time around. I will remember what else was in that top-heavy earmarked bill. So little actually went to help Americans.
S - I have tried very hard to provide facts in regards to Trump's handling of Russia, I also have offered proof that it was Biden that lifted sanctions on the Russian pipeline... That is his factual deed. Trump sanctioned that very same pipeline... That was his deed. Facts need to be looked at, and not changes around to suit a narrative.
Here is a very non-bias article on Biden's move to lift the pipeline sanctions. His administration flip-flopped as well did Biden. Their excuse is more or less "we are doing this to keep relations with Germany... https://www.ft.com/content/22555df1-0b8 … 0c8f03cc6a
Do you not feel it hypocritical to can the Keystone pipeline for environmental reasons yet be OK with Nord Stream 2 which so many environmental agencies are against? Come on, think about this, it's really disgusting. Germany is also part of the Paris Climate accord... All this is laughable.
Hey, glad he's yours I would be very embarrassed if I voted for him.Personally I found it a little humorous that you were chastised for using "shoe in", and then the term "literally" was used completely wrong.
Just my little pet peeve as that word is so often used incorrectly by today's youth as a gross exaggeration rather than a factual representation.Damn Sharlee. I just posted that same response to peoplepower—before I read the rest of the thread. Sorry. (and to you too Mike :-O
GAGA: It's O.K. You made an honest mistake. We all do it.
Sharlee:
"This expression purportedly comes from the practice of corrupt jockeys holding their horses back and shooing a preselected winner across the finish line to guarantee that it will win. A “shoo-in” is now an easy winner, with no connotation of dishonesty. “Shoe-in” is a common misspelling."
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/shoe- … sspelling.
S -I did not find any dishonesty in the three examples you offered that you feel were Biden's accomplishments. I simply pointed out why I don't see them as accomplishments. I certainly did not imply any dishonesty.
M- I learned something. I apologize for trying to correct you.
S -Actually, all in the economy was pretty good all stats took an in recent weeks. Trump's economy was keeping us above water, and slowly coming back. Joe, was lucky in his first months that all was going along pretty smoothly. Now the economy is in recession. due to his careless money give away, and toying with employment... Not to mention a lack of consumer confidence. And the fear of what else Biden will be told to sign or do... Here is a good article non-bias, that can offer you a good picture of today's economy under Biden offering facts in the way of stats. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
M- I read the entire article. It has a lot to say about transitory inflation, but nothing about recession. I’m sure you know that a recession is three consecutive quarters of downturn to the GDP. I did not see any mention of the GDP.
P -Trump literally kissed Putin’s ass at those meetings. But that’s O.K. with you.
S- There is no other president that has hit Russia with sanctions as well as actions. No, Just a fact you seem to Ignore to push the narrative that Trump was in an alliance with Putin. That would have been Obama, and now Biden. It's clear Biden approved the pipeline as a measure to show he is willing to do anything to keep Dems in power, just a nice way of saying --- Hey, have our backs next election. And then let us consider the daily hacks that are coming out of Russia --- He claimed he will be putting his foot down... LOL So, your logic when it comes to Trump being in league with Putin just proves out to be unrealistic due to Trump's heavy hand when it came to sanctions and actions on Russia.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr … on-russia/
M- That link won’t open on my computer, but I will let the facts speak for themselves.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … -barack-o/
S Please remember It was Trump's sanctions on the Russian pipeline that Biden lifted. Not sure how in the world you could even conceive Trump was subservient to Putin. You seem to not be following the true facts, deeds... It is Biden that has showed true weakness, and it's for the very reason I offered --- help with the next election. Dem politicians are dirty when it comes to honesty, they lack it.
M- Are you serious? Just look at the number of republicans that Trump pardoned that would have gone to jail.
P- Oh Biden didn’t solve any problems with distribution of vaccines for everybody."
S - Simply no... He has not. The best thing he did was to stand aside and let OWS staff carry out well-made plans.
M- I will give him credit for OWS. But that is one small part of the equation. Once Biden started running for president, Trump was missing in action, except for his rallies and constant drum beat that if Biden wins, the election is rigged.
P --You just said what the good was and it was with bipartisan support."
S -The bipartisan support was politicking on both sides. Nothing more. That bill was a band-aid to keep party bases in place on both sides. here is some cash, remember me next time around. I will remember what else was in that top-heavy earmarked bill. So little actually went to help Americans.
S - I have tried very hard to provide facts in regards to Trump's handling of Russia, I also have offered proof that it was Biden that lifted sanctions on the Russian pipeline... That is his factual deed. Trump sanctioned that very same pipeline... That was his deed. Facts need to be looked at, and not changes around to suit a narrative.
Here is a very non-bias article on Biden's move to lift the pipeline sanctions. His administration flip-flopped as well did Biden. Their excuse is more or less "we are doing this to keep relations with Germany... https://www.ft.com/content/22555df1-0b8 … 0c8f03cc6a
Do you not feel it hypocritical to can the Keystone pipeline for environmental reasons yet be OK with Nord Stream 2 which so many environmental agencies are against? Come on, think about this, it's really disgusting. Germany is also part of the Paris Climate accord... All this is laughable.
M-Here are the facts on Nord Stream 2 from one of your favorite outlets, Reuters. I didn’t find anything about environmental impact.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy … 021-05-19/
S-Hey, glad he's yours I would be very embarrassed if I voted for him.
M-Hey, I’m glad Trump is yours. Talk about embarrassment. Now he thinks he is going to overthrow Biden’s presidency in August and take over again as president. Of course, this is what he believes from his Qanon advisors…Loony Tunes.Next time I will use the term "rode in on other's coattails". LOL
In my view, we are in a recession. Actually, a month or so ago we were starting to make a bit of headway, at this point we are seeing speedy inflation, and with the promise of huge spending and the threat of raising taxes, we will most likely fall back into a deeper recession. If Biden gets his tax bill pasted, oh well we will see inflation skyrocket. This is my
view.
Here is the link that gives any and all sanctions as well as actions the Trump Administration placed on Russia. Note the sanctions on the Russia/German pipeline. Biden just lifted those sanctions yesterday. This IMO is a weak uncalled-for hypocritical move on Biden's part. He closes the Keystone due to his greed deal policies and is on board with sticking a pipeline in Europe. He is a pure politician and has made it clear to me he could care less about the environment. He cares about pleasing Russia and Germany...
M " I didn’t find anything about environmental impact."
So am I to believe you feel the Russian pipeline will cause no problem to the environment? But the Keystone will? Do you feel that Russians have better building technology than the US?
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/ge … d-stream-2
"However, environmental group Deutsche Umwelthilfe said on Wednesday it had applied for Nord Stream 2's construction and operating permit to be revoked on climate protection grounds, based on a ruling by Germany's top constitutional court." https://www.reuters.com/business/energy … 021-06-03/
"Greenpeace and other environmental groups say construction of Nord Stream 2 has been polluting Germany's Baltic coast with toxic grease found on beaches and in the sea and disrupting the environment, damaging various forms of flora, fauna and marine life in the region"
https://rethinkthedeal.eu/nord-stream-2 … %20region.
So does it all seem a bit political and hypocritical? Close the Keystone, but go full throttle no Nord Stream 2?
I have not been able to locate the quote that Trump actually said he feels he will be overthrowing Biden and tossing him out of the White House. Sounds like a bit of a CNN or Msnbc report. We have it on a good authority-type blurb.
One thing about trump he was not a hypocrite... Come on shut down one pipeline due to environmental reasons, then give his blessing to Russia to build a -- PIPELINE! In my view, he is all about making every attempt to make well sure Putin loves him, and the Democratic party.
So funny Trump was accused of all Biden is actually doing. And he actually being praised by the same people that thought Trump was the worst man that walks the earth.
Oops! I can't help myself on this one Mike, you opened this door yourself.
"It’s shoe in, not shoo in. I think that was a Freudian slip on your part. You want Biden to shoo."
"This expression purportedly comes from the practice of corrupt jockeys holding their horses back and shooing a preselected winner across the finish line to guarantee that it will win. A “shoo-in” is now an easy winner, with no connotation of dishonesty. “Shoe-in” is a common misspelling."
Common Errors in English Usage and More ...
*psst. I think you contradicted yourself in that same sentence—"You want Biden to shoo".
GAGA: It's O.K. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I learned something. It's an honest mistake.
"You are citing the riots and deaths in the summer. It was a peaceful protest until Trump brought in the military and tear gas."
LOL You have to know better! Trump offered to send help to Portland because of the violence and destruction and was turned down. Whereupon he DID send help to protect federal buildings...buildings that were already under attack.
The notion that all was peaceful and quiet until Trump "interfered" is SO obviously false.Wilderness: Talk to thee people who were tear gassed.
https://youtu.be/AytF_YSkXDUTalk to the business owners who lost their business from violence...before Trump offered to send in the cavalry.
Your comment was that there was no violence until after Trump sent in troops, but that is just about as false as it is possible to be.
"Trump has never been investigated for inciting the riot at the Capitol. "
Pretty sure the second time around for impeaching Trump the charge was for inciting insurrection at the Capital.
"The second impeachment of former US president Donald Trump rests on one article, or charge, of "incitement of insurrection" arising from the January 6 assault on Congress." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … r-BB1d57EN
Democrats did their best to prove the allegation, but failed miserably because it did not happen. Nevertheless, they DID thoroughly investigate the incident...an investigation that you claim never happened.
We know why those people broke the law that day, though - because they were taught that doing so carried no repercussions. A summer of violence ridden "protests" made that crystal clear.
"It would be controlled at the federal level . . "
Can you see a thought such as this through a conservative, (and moderate's), perspective? A perspective that sees that as a further Federal threat to states' sovereignty, and the liberty of choice?
I think the Federal government already has more power than it was intended to have. Consider our current political situation in which a majority party is nearly in complete control. Would you want a Republican administration to have the power to mandate state elections the way they think it should be done, in order to "level the playing field"?
GAWell, if liberals get their way it may well be done through a stacked Supreme Court...
If they cram through H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2021, they will be rewriting voting laws and to quote GA -- " taking the states' sovereignty, and the liberty of choice?"
Hopefully, the 2022 mid-terms will make a court-packing effort less likely to pass.
GAWilderness: We already have a stacked Supreme Court. Thanks to McConnell and Trump.
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