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  1. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 11 months ago

    This forum is about you, and what you belief to be true about President Trump.
    Please state top 3 things good or bad you believe about Trump. Not what he is or is not, but what you believe to be true about him and his Administration.
    This will make you think hard and fast about the current state of our country and our politics.
    I look forward to your unbridled truths...

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      He is a proven liar.

      He is a racist.

      He is a sexual predator.

      Want more, Jack?

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Really? That is what you believe and I hold you to it.
        Let see who is the unhinged...
        Thanks for your input.

      2. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

        1. gmwilliams profile image82
          gmwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          The NEGATIVES are far outweighing the so-called POSITIVE.  Yes, the positive thing was removing the mandate regarding healthcare & THAT'S IT.   There are FAR MORE negatives w/Trump which are proven each day & every time he speaks.

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            That’s it...
            What about the stock market? The jobs coming back?
            The tax cuts?
            The bonuses business are giving to their employees?
            The wiping of ISIS?
            I can go on but you are deceived by your trusted NPR and CNN and the NYT...

            It is OK, while your side is distracted by all these minutia, the American people are reaping the benfits which includes you and your family by the way.

    2. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      He has a far better concept of where the nation needs to be going that we've seen in quite a while.

      He desperately needs a gag on his mouth.

      He seems, so far, to have a better idea of the duties, responsibilities, and limitations of the office.  Specifically, he understands that he is required to secure our borders and that he is to enforce the laws congress enacts - all of them, without regard to his personal feelings of whether they are good laws or bad.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Here is my list of top three -

        Trump is a patriot and America first guy.

        Trump is not a politician and speaks his mind perhaps too frank and crude at times.

        Trump is a decisive leader who makes the tough decisions and stand by them. He is bold at times as seem with the support of Israel and Jerusalem as capitol.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Is it possible that our middle observations (big mouth) is actually a good thing?  If it weren't so, what would the TDS crowd have to cry and shout about?  That employment is up or the economy booming?

          We might have 50 million cases of clinical insanity when they can't find something to whine about - the pressure to scream imprecations would be enormous but they wouldn't have anything to scream about!

      2. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        LOL

    3. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I like President Trump. 

      1. He makes liberals look more stupid than they normally look.  They are so clueless they have no idea how badly their behavior hurts them. Most can't comprehend that in order to win in the future they'll have to get his supporters like me to abandon him.  He's only made me support him more.

      2. Liberals have tried every low down, dirty, lying trick in their book and Trump continues to succeed. It's because he's a leader.  He has shown them to be mentally weak and emotionally needy people.

      3. He says what he thinks and doesn't care what people say.  He's shown the mainstream media for the lying, pathetic excuses for journalists they have become.

      Also, he's a good business man and had really gotten America's economy going great.  He's dedicated to protecting our boarders and more.  I also enjoy him making the liberals go crazier than they already are.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Aren't these Fox Talking Points from last week?   tongue

        1. Readmikenow profile image95
          Readmikenowposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          That's all you have Randy? That's it?  You probably don't realize it, but you're proving my point about liberals.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            HA! You've long proven my point about rightwingers, Mike. You need no help from me in doing so either.

      2. Marisa Wright profile image96
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        He's a good businessman?  Who says?   He started his working life with millions of dollars from his father and lost a large chunk of that money in failed business ventures. 

        My family and friends have been on the receiving end of one of his business ventures and he achieved his goals using bribery, strong-arm tactics and blatant flouting of the law.  If America regards that as "being a good business man" then it's a terrible reflection on American morality and values.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          It was supposedly one million (not an unspecified "millions") and he has turned it into something around 4,500,000,000.  An increase of 4,500 times what was started with, and he did while living a lavish lifestyle off the earnings.

          I've had $1,000 in free cash just sitting, but never managed to turn it into $4,500,000...

          1. Aime F profile image82
            Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            But a million dollars opens a lot more doors than $1,000. You can compare yourself to him more accurately once you inherent a million dollars and a name that is arguably worth the same in money if not more.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Somehow I don't think I could turn that into 4½ Billion, either.  Don't think I've heard of any lottery winners doing it, for that matter.

              In fact, there are precious few people that have done it.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Gee Dan, how do you know he's worth 4 billion as none of us have seen his taxes yet. My understanding is he owes Deutchebank tens of millions, and coincidentally, this bank is suspected of being used to launder Russian money. I'm sure it's merely a coincidence though. tongue

              2. Aime F profile image82
                Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Again, difference between a random lottery winner and someone who has a powerful brand name to give them a huge advantage.

          2. Marisa Wright profile image96
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Trump claimed it was a loan of $1 million.   Of course, here we get into the problem of everyone being suspicious of the media, but here are a few reports which tell a different story

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … 2941edbf5e

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac … 61e1f13bdb

            https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-rich/

            http://www.politifact.com/florida/artic … 0-million/

            https://www.alternet.org/story/156234/e … _the_trick

            Bear in mind that his father was one of the wealthiest men in America and even if he hadn't set up trusts and given his kids money when he was alive, he left a fortune to be split between his children when he died.  Does anyone really believe he left the Donald out of the will?

    4. Anum Z Zaidi profile image61
      Anum Z Zaidiposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Whatever he is good or bad.. but he can't be like Obama..

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        And that was the whole point of the election. The people had enough of Obama and did not want a third term in Hillary.

  2. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 11 months ago

    He is a proven liar.

    He is mentally and emotionally unfit to be president.

    He is damaging and abdicating  the U.S. position as a world leader.

    It was hard to choose only three.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      So, can you name three things that you personally are harmed or lost as a result of Trump?
      Can you think of three things that you personally benefited?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I don't judge a president by what he does for me personally, but by what he does for our country as a whole. His ignorance and inability to participate on the world stage as an equal with other world leaders is damaging our standing in the world. I can only hope he resigns or is removed before we lose all credibility

        China is moving in where we are faltering.

        I know you have boasted about your stock market returns. Mine are fine but they were also fine before DT so I have no reason to believe he has anything to do with that.

        I have not gained anything since Trump became president, except a dread of reading the day's news. I have lost pride in my country's president  and trust in the judgment of many of my fellow Americans.

        Trump is divisive, lazy, incurious and a liar of proportions never before seen in a president. The day he resigns or is removed from office is the day my husband and I will do a happy dance.

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          You remind me back in the 1980s when Reagan was president. There was one person who kept a champaign bottle in his refrigerator and bragged that he will open it and celebrate when Reagan dies.

          I pose the question because no one has answered it satisfactorily. No one has lost any personal rights in the past year. No one has been harmed as far as I see.

          With regard to gains, here are a few for me.
          1. My portfolio has increased by 20% in the past year.
          2. I am expecting a small tax cut this next year due to the doubling of the standard deduction.
          I am retired and my house is paid for.  I do live in a high state property area.
          3. The best news is some of my extended family members who had been struggling without a job have finally found good jobs...
          4. As a supporter of Israel, I am glad a President has finally done what he said he would do and recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
          5. I am also glad ISIS is being decimated.
          6. Finally, the immigration issue is top on my list that needs to be addressed. Trump is trying and I hope he succeeds in getting the wall built.
          All in all, it is a pretty good year for Conservatives.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            The only thing you listed due to Trump is your portfolio increased and you'll get a better tax deduction, Jack.  I'm sure you didn't just pay your house off when Trump came into office, and jobs have increased by things happening under the Obama terms as well. But you can dream, I suppose.

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I guess you missed my point. I have a few family members that were laid off in the Obama years. After collecting unemployment for 6 months, they were not counted as unemployed. Only with the elction of Trump, the economy finally turned on all cylinders and they found jobs. This is just one personal data point. I can’t vouch for what others are feeling, but in this case Trump made the difference.
              Companies are hiring again...
              As for stock gains, yes they were going up in past years. However, in 2016 my return was 10%.In 2017, it doubled to 20%. Again, I think it was Trump that made the difference.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I guess you missed MY point, Jack. Your family members were more than likely laid off due to the Dubya Bush years in office. I assume you voted for George since you voted for the McCain/Palin ticket. Did you blame Dubya for the recession he left Obama to clean up? Do you still think Palin was worthy of being VP? Do you ever wonder if you're really capable of making good political choices? Seriously....

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  My choices were fine though not perfect. How about yours? Strictly democrats all the way...
                  You are so blind about your party and the leaders...
                  We disagree on policy but even I voted for some democrats.

              2. Marisa Wright profile image96
                Marisa Wrightposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                And I guessed you missed MY post providing evidence of the kind of person Trump is in his business dealings.

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I guess we all know Trump is no saint. What does that have to do with his current position. Are you saying he is using his position as President for personal gains?
                  Isn’t that what all politicians do? Why are most politicians in Congress millionaires?
                  What about the Clintons? Did you complaint about the Clinton Foundation being used as their personal slush fund? And the Uranium one deal?

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image96
                    Marisa Wrightposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    In my experience in life, if someone is dishonest in business and treats people with contempt in ONE area of his life, then he's very likely to do the same in ALL areas of his life.  Don't you find that? 

                    It's a very sad world if we're starting to say things like, "I know he's a crook but isn't everybody?"  What does that say about America?

        2. Live to Learn profile image79
          Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          And it is our duty, as a nation, to ensure you and your husband get a happy dance. roll

          Trump is not dividing us as a nation. We've been divided. It's simply their candidate didn't win and they are going to complain about everything they can, warranted or otherwise. It's natural. We dealt with this during the Obama years.

          Since taking office, our stock market is up, employment is up, and I've noticed many abroad praise Trump. South Korea's President singled Trump out as the reason North Korea entered talks with them, Iran's resistance movement praised Trump for his stand, a common man in the street praised Trump for our actions in Syria (to the consternation of the CNN interviewer)

          So, although the guy has terminal foot in mouth disease, I'm still willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I didn't say Trump is the source of our division, but he is a divisive person. His campaign, and now his presidency is based on insults, chaos, and creating enemies out of thin air.

            One or two leaders praising Trump is not evidence of success on the world stage.

            The stock market and employment were up during the Obama years, too. Of course, right up until election day Trump claimed the economy was a disaster and the good economic indicators were fake. By February, he was taking credit for the economy. He thinks we're all idiots and wouldn't notice. Apparently, that is the case for a significant segment of our citizens.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              You can please all of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all the people all the time.

              More simply put, Trump can never, ever please everyone all the time.  Does that make him divisive?  I suppose, in a technical sense, but it is also a fact of nature that he cannot be blamed for.  People demand different things from their country and leaders, and given that it would seem that the people, not the president, are the divisive force.  That liberals, unaccepting of the conservative viewpoint, are dividing the country. smile

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I never referred to Dubya as divisive, even though I vehemently disagreed with many of his political positions. He was not divisive. Trump most definitely is divisive.

            2. Live to Learn profile image79
              Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I wouldn't stoop to calling those I disagree with idiots. But, that sentiment is indicative of our problems. No respect coupled with a me, me, me mentality.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I agree. It seems the people were smarter than the media and Washington pollsters and elites this last election cycle. How did they miss the anger and unrest in the electorate? How did they miss the anemic economic recovery? How did they miss the racial strife? How did they miss the lost jobs, the increased illegals taking over some cities...and the abuses at the high level of government including the NSA, the IRS, the DOJ and EPA and even the FBI...?

              2. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I'm sorry, hut if you believe the economy was bad and the economic numbers were fake  right up until election day, and you now tout those same indicators  as evidence of a booming economy, then either you're a willing partiipant in the lies or not very bright.

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  What you fail to understand is the economy and economic indicators are forward looking and not retrovert. The fact that with all the “good” that you claim Obama did in his 8 years, did not produce a win for his protege says volume about how the economy actually was...

                  The boom on wall street is real and it is forward looking due to the Trump effect that I wrote about.
                  Obama had all the opportinity to do the same in 2010 but instead chose to attack big business, tax all of us and increased dependency with food stamps and welfare.
                  It is a total opposite of big government vs. personal responsibility. Goverment spending vs. private investments, America lead from behind vs. America first. Guess we know now the right path, and the left is apoplectic with TDS.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Right. You voted for a guy who spent over five years falsely claiming Obama was not  a U.S. citizen and you think we're the deranged ones.

                2. Live to Learn profile image79
                  Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  LOL. I lived through the Obama years. Don't get me wrong. He inherited a mess. But, we would disagree on the reasons for the mess or the success of his attempts to correct the problem. These things don't happen overnight and Bush was not primarily responsible. Although he played his part.

                  I liked Obama, personally. But he was one to say what he felt was, not what is. And he had the unfortunate belief that he could reshape America without bothering to check the pulse of the populace in the process. The American dream must be inclusive of the needs of all. This me,me, me and to hell with you,you,you gained significant momentum during Obama years.

                  Things may be looking up. We have a ways to go,for sure. But, it would be difficult for a reasonable person to argue that they are not looking up. Did Trump accomplish this by his actions? Partly.

                  But, honestly. I've never felt a conversation with you could be reasonable. Your views appear set in stone, intractable, and lack the semblance of being able to parse alternate information and views.

                  I'll leave you to your dreams of future happy dances.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I really don't care if you think my views are intractable, as I view your judgment to be pretty bad. I've been participating in these forums for seven years and I have changed my views on quite a few things.

                    If I were all about me, me, me I'd be like Jack and happy that my personal wealth is increasing and my taxes went down, albeit temporarily. I wouldn't care that Trump reversed DACA and children who have lived here all their lives will be deported if Congress can't agree on a solution. If I were all about me, me, me I wouldn't care that Trump mocked a disabled reporter because it doesn't affect me personally. I wouldn't care that Trump thinks African nations ate sh!tholes because, hey, I'm financially better off, screw everybody else. If I were all about me, me, me I wouldn't care if Trump lies practically every time he opens his mouth, because my personal wealth has increased and so I don't give a damn about the lies.

                    But, hey, your definition of selfishness must be different from mine.

      2. Marisa Wright profile image96
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I have not been harmed by Trump, but I DO know people who have been harmed by Trump in vicious, underhand business dealings in Scotland.  During those dealings, he showed utter contempt for the local people AND for the environment, destroying world heritage areas even when he'd been ordered not to, cutting off the water supply to an elderly lady's house in an attempt to force her out of her home, and employing heavy-handed guards to scare off the locals.

        If he conducts business with such a breathtaking lack of honesty, integrity and compassion, I have no reason to believe he would be any different in other aspects of his life.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Hi Marisa, there are similar stories of these types of dealings here in the U.S. Many of his supporters apparently view this type of behavior as "good business acumen"

          1. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            LOL. I notice no one with that view expresses any problem with the Clinton's greedy and less than exemplary attempts to take in funds in whatever shady manner they deem to be advantageous,

            1. PrettyPanther profile image84
              PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              If that is shown to be true, I will denounce it. Just like I denounced Franken, when he was shown to have engaged in sexual misconduct. It's called consistency. Trump supporters now have no leg to stand on in that regard.

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                It doesn't appear you have a leg to stand on. Two individuals with allegations against them. Neither convicted of crimes. You denounce one and ignore the other. I think the why is painfully obvious to all, save one, in this discussion.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  So Hillary hasn't been convicted of a crime either, but that doesn't prevent those on the right from claiming she's a crook many times over. lol

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    And, she was investigated practically nonstop for years.

                  2. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, sure. Follow the Peewee Herman defense. That's a great plan Randy.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  WTH are you talking about? Trump admitted he is a sexual predator when he bragged about grabbing pussies, which is exactly what some of his accusers claim he did. Of course, Honest Don, after once apologizing for his words, subsequently tried to claim the tape was fake. Who is more credible, Trump or his accusers? Oh, wait, I think I already know what you will say.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I would suggest you go back and see the video again. He did not admit to doing it...
                    He said you could do it...as backroom locker talk...
                    It was Bush who goaded him and pay attention to the last part when he try to get Trump to kiss a girl...
                    This whole affair of the video by NBC was designed to take down Trump and it failed.
                    The people saw thru it for what it was. Shame on NBC...
                    It reminded me of Dan Rather with his fake story on GW Bush. It cost him his anchor job.

                  2. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    PP, by your own standards, if unconvicted...innocent. No matter the accusations, the words or actions. Those aren't my standards, they're yours. You, and countless others, have insisted this on multiple occasions.

                    Can you explain why, with Trump, you are abandoning this ?

    2. Anum Z Zaidi profile image61
      Anum Z Zaidiposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      True!

  3. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 11 months ago

    Would you say Obama was also divisive?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      No. If you think he was, please give some examples of how he personally stoked the fires of division.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Ther were so many but Ferguson came to mind...
        He did not heal the race and created tension with police..
        Supporting BLM and OWS are just another way to divide by race and income...
        There were so many incidents where he commented first without the facts.
        The fact that you don’t know this is shocking...
        It means you are not getting the full picture in your news...
        The media covered for Obama while now spinning against Trump.

 
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