Donald Trump's New York Times Interview (rant inside)

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  1. PrettyPanther profile image87
    PrettyPantherposted 9 months ago

    I'm sorry, but I cannot abide this man as president.  He sounds like a demented 10-year-old.  How anyone can believe he is fit is beyond my comprehension.  He speaks less eloquently than my elderly mother who has Alzheimer's.

    I've truly tried to understand the Trump supporter who continues to defend him.  Spent an hour speaking with one yesterday.  What I got was:  I don't care if he grabs pussies, is a serial liar, bullies people, or kisses Putin's @ss.  I don't care if he has already golfed more in one year than Obama did his entire presidency (I'm not sure he has, but this Trump supporter seems to think so and doesn't care). I don't care if he slurs his words during speeches.  Everybody does that (really?  everybody?)  For him, as long as Trump seals the borders and flips the bird to the world, hey, America is "tough" again. 

    Seriously, Trump people, I will never forgive you for putting this cretin in the Oval Office.  Most of you also thought the invasion of Iraq was just peachy keen, too, because America has to be "tough" by invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.  I'd say your judgment has been proven to be pretty bad.  When will you realize it?  When the economy tanks from the massive tax cuts to the wealthy?  When Don Jr. is indicted?  When we're so isolated from the world community that we have very little influence?

    When will enough be enough?

    Our glorious leader, in his own words, on tape:

    "I was a great student and all this stuff."

    "I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest CPA."

    "I know more about the big bills ... [Inaudible] ... than any president that's ever been in office."

    "He treated me better than anybody's ever been treated in the history of China."

    "It's too bad Jeff recused himself. I like Jeff, but it's too bad he recused himself."

    "I don't want to get into loyalty, but I will tell you that, I will say this: Holder protected President Obama. Totally protected him."

    "I'm the one that saved coal."

    "One of the great two days of anybody's life and memory having to do with China."

    "Another reason that I'm going to win another four years is because newspapers, television, all forms of media will tank if I'm not there because without me, their ratings are going down the tubes."

    "So they basically have to let me win."

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Be careful, Panther, you may have contracted a virulent case of TDS!!

      He reminds of the Mr. Bean comic character, who everyone had to be more than what he appeared to be on the surface, but the reality is 'what you see is what you get'. This is Jed Clampett in Beverly Hills

      Conservatives say that Trump and the GOP tax plan will be a boon for the economy and the citizens, but if they are so comfortable, I have to be nervous.

      But, I am being honest, I never liked the guy. I didn't like his "Mr Trump" role in the "Celebrity Apprentice", where he was free to make fools of washed up actors and entertainers.  My wife thought the program was an interesting interaction between people, I thought that it was just bull**** at the outset.

      His involvement in the "Birther" controversy regarding President Obama's origins was unforgiveable from my standpoint.

      His 'tweeting' and interacting to the "Britain First" nativist extremist group defying the Prime Minister and the British Government in the process, did not endear him to many.

      The Boy Scout troop debacle, that revealed that the man operates completely unhinged.

      His use of "big stick" bullying diplomacy at the UN. Threating sovereign nations is not the way we should be applying leadership.

      He backed Roy Moore, accused of inappropriate relationships with minor girls while an adult. The fact that Trump could support this man, no matter what tells a bit more about his character.

      Conservative attacks on Obama were never about  principle but were completely partisan in nature. So of course, they will say that Trump, virtually living on the golf course compared with Obama, is "different"?



      Your input is appreciated and I look forward to your commentary during the upcoming year,

      Have a happy 2018



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      His arrogance is a turn off for many of us. I think in the conservative mind, they themselves would prefer to be the bully and admire Trump for trampling over the fine points of American foreign policy.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Hey, credence, if it weren't for getting amused at how my husband reacts every time Trump appears on TV, I don't think I could tolerate another year of the stupid man-child.

        Happy New Year! Maybe we'll be rid of him by this time next year. big_smile

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I too am extremely embarrassed, to have this buffoon representing our country. I have no hesitation in avowing he's the most dishonest POTUS in the history of the US. Even if he hasn't been involved in colluding with the Russians he's still an arrogant boastful liar, something his followers don't seem to mind at all. I've asked many of his fans why he lies so much and how do you tell when he's telling the truth. So far, none have endeavored to answer. This is telling in itself.

      His adoring fans may sense there's more to Trump's involvement with the Russians and they simply cannot imagine they may have voted for a traitor. I suppose I don't blame them....

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I thought Dubya was embarrassing. Trump makes Dubya look like a genius.

        Happy 2018!

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          My sentiments exactly, PP! We're lucky the fools didn't put Palin in the VP's spot as they wanted. yikes

        2. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I volunteer with someone whose daughter worked directly with Dubya. He apparently was a good person and dedicated to the job. But he wasn't very good at it.

    3. Onusonus profile image78
      Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Obama's economics were crap compared to Trump. Hard to believe that such an ineloquent, dirty, capitalist can turn over the economy in such a short time, while a brilliant Harvard educated, socialist, Obama attains the title of food stamp president.
      Illegal immigration is down, Tax cuts are stimulating job growth, we're out of that crappy, job killing, Paris deal, ISIS is on the run, Obamacare's individual mandate is repealed, and Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel. And the most important thing is Hillary lost, twice!

      But hey, at least Obama was a good public speaker. wink

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Are you serious, oo? Do you actually know what a mess Obama inherited from the last conservative President? Obama took a recession and turned it into a growing economy which your idol--Comrade Trump--is now taking credit for.  Fox talking points don't work in the real world, dude!

        1. profile image78
          Hxprofposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Well, I see your point, but I don't regard Bushy Boy as a conservative.  Obama DID inherit a mess, but he made it a point to purposely step on alot of economic toes while trying to turn things around.  Even so, there's no doubt that Obama can take some credit for this year's turnaround, though only some.  Honestly though, the US economy has been headed for the crapper for a long time, and no one's going to truly turn this around.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Right. According to your dear leader, the economy was crap right up until he took office, then miraculouy, barely a month later, that same economy is booming and all because of Trump.  I remember conservatives right here on these forums repeatedly saying the lower unemployment numbers, for example, were not real. Once Trump took office, those same numbers, as well as a myriad number of other economic indicators that were dismissed under Obama are suddenly gleefully cited as evidence of Trump's booming economy.

        So transparent. Of course, it is clear you all don't care about the lies.

        "Tax cuts are stimulating job growth,...."

        LOL, the tax cuts haven't yet taken effect, so they can't possibly be stimulating job growth. But, hey, what's one more lie?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          They never address the lies, PP. It's as if they don't see them, especially those with a religious bent. I suppose that's why. They're accustomed to believing the unbelievable.sad

          1. PrettyPanther profile image87
            PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            I've noticed.

        2. Onusonus profile image78
          Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Just goes to show you don't know a thing about how the economy works. Liberals live in an economic fantasy land where Nancy Pelosi can spin recycled trash into insulin shots and eppi pens, and Barack Obama can summon green energy from out his bung hole.
          The reality however is much different. Socialism is a slow process that regulates the economy, and brings production to a crawl, while capitalism is a quick and lasting cure to poverty.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image87
            PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Right. A guy who says tax cuts that haven't yet happened are stimulating the economy lectures others about their knowledge of the economy. Or, are you referring to the middle class tax cuts that happened under Obama?

            1. Onusonus profile image78
              Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              No, I'm talking about a bill that calls for the most deregulation of industry this nation has seen since Obama sat his skinny socialist backside in the chair.
              Obama's tax cuts were based on class warfare or income inequality, or whatever PC term they're using today, which did nothing but stir up hatred and violence from the left.
              Face it economic planning doesn't work, capitalism crushes it in seconds.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            So Obama's success with the economy was because of Socialism?  So what has DT changed to make the economy what it is now? The new tax bill is not in effect,  so enlightening us with your great economic genius, Oo. tongue

            1. Onusonus profile image78
              Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              What success? You mean the most food stamps the US has ever dolled out in a single presidential cycle? Or was it the deficit that he doubled down on? Or perhaps it was all those government shut downs. Maybe it was that disastrous healthcare bill that kicked millions of people off their insurance programs and penalized people for not participating. Or perhaps it was the failure with green energy, and those millions of dollars wasted in the failure of Solyndra.
              But I'm thinking it was the 5% drop in labor force participation, in fact Obama's GDP growth never got higher than 1.5%, which hasn't happened since 1929, but I'm sure there's a Nobel prize in there somewhere.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Why are you asking me questions, oo? You don't seem to be willing to answer my queries. It doesn't work that way, Dude. Did you vote for Dubya as well? Check what a mess he left Obama to clean up and what a good economy Donnie inherited. Ask Hannity how you should respond to hard questions about Trump if don't know the facts. tongue

    4. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      What he said is very telling.

      "It's too bad Jeff recused himself. I like Jeff, but it's too bad he recused himself."

      “I don’t want to get into loyalty, but I will tell you that, I will say this: Holder protected President Obama. Totally protected him,” Mr. Trump said. He added: “When you look at the things that they did, and Holder protected the president. And I have great respect for that, I’ll be honest.”

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, the reason Trump is sore at Sessions is because he thought he had installed  a "loyal protector" in the AG position. It didn't work out that way.

    5. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Some people would rather be wrong than admit they are wrong.

      They rationalize for the sake of defending their choices, even to the point of supporting somone who is dangerous to the entire country. German support of Hitler is a great example of it.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political … nalization

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Uh oh, the Hitler comparison. Expect to be chastised any time now.

        GA, you out there....? big_smile

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          No! No! I meant to write Gitler! Or Zitler! I can't remember. It's the guy who was dictator of Modavia.   smile

          I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler. I'm simply using Hitler as an obvious example of how people rationalize their political choices.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image87
            PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            That's exactly what I did. The behavior of a certain segment of the U.S. population is behaving remarkably similar to the Germans during the rise of Hitler.

            1. GA Anderson profile image81
              GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Now that was well done PrettyPanther. A Hitler comparison that wasn't.  And a point well made too.

              Promisem, are you out there... see how it's done?

              ps. just a slight change would have made it even sneakier;

              "...remarkably similar to the Germans during the late 1930s and early 1940s."

              It keeps your hands clean by letting the reader draw the obvious inference.

              GA

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I have no desire to be "sneakier". I would rather be honest and open about my beliefs.

                1. GA Anderson profile image81
                  GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  aww geez promisem. do you bleed when you scratch an itch?

                  GA

                  1. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    I call it like I see it, especially when the observation is obvious. But there you go again, focusing on the messenger ...

              2. PrettyPanther profile image87
                PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Hello GA, I am not worried about keeping my hands clean. I just state what I mean, sometimes imperfectly, but I do my best to be forthright.

            2. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I really did mean it as an obvious example of the problem. We can easily say the same thing about Putin, Stalin and certain other political leaders.

              They convinced millions of people to support and defend them even when it became obvious their behavior was a threat to democracy.

              GA, am I allowed to mention Putin in a thread about Trump?   wink

              1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I think we're all adults and we ought to be able to discuss Hitler comparisons just like any other comparison.

              2. GA Anderson profile image81
                GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Hell yeah! Putting Putin's past provocations, prevarications and plodding putterings in the pot provides plenty of potential presidential pairings to ponder.  ;-)

                GA

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  You win the prize for alliteration!

            3. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              The truth shall set you free.
              It is true that Trump had been right about most things he commented on.
              He said the Obama administration spied on him... now we find out yes, they did using the FBI and FISA courts...
              He said climate change and the Paris Accord was a joke and now we see scientists afdmitting we are entering a mini ice age next few decades.
              He said our infrastructure is like third world countries and our airports are outdated...and we just had a blackout in Atlanta airports that cancelled thousands of flights...

              You can continue with all your TDS rants but the truth is, we finally have a person in the White House that knows how to govern. The next few years will just validate this fact mote and more.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I feel completely free. Free of guilt. How about you?

              2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, mote Jack. Mote and mote, I suspect! lol

          2. GA Anderson profile image81
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Hang on a minute promisem. I have a longer handled shovel you can borrow. I'll go get it.

            Then you can finish telling me how your comparison wasn't really a comparison.

            ... and this isn't an apple either.

            GA

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Are you saying that German support of Hitler isn't a famous example of political rationalization?

              Or that I can't use certain references in any posts about Trump even when they are relevant to the discussion?

              I'm curious if you have an opinion about the issue and not the use of a specific name in my post. smile

              1. GA Anderson profile image81
                GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Now I am curious promisem. Are you saying that your comparison  wasn't also an indirect comparison? (looks like that longer shovel handle was needed)

                Of course I am not saying what references or names you can use promisem. I have no standing there. I only offer what I perceive to be the resulting perceptions imparted by the words or names you use.

                As for my opinion on the issue... .I think my response to PrettyPanther should offer an answer.

                GA

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  My original comment was clear: "German support of Hitler is a great example of (political rationalization)." Nowhere in my post did I mention Trump.

                  I maintain that it's probably the most famous example in history of the point I was making.

                  You seem intent on claiming a direct or indirect comparison where none existed at all.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image81
                    GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    Okay, that's your story and you are sticking to it. I can accept that.

                    GA

        2. GA Anderson profile image81
          GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, I saw it PrettyPanther. But my time is limited today and I have just been popping in and out. promisem's comparison was a bit of bait I have to pass on. Especially since this thread seems such a dangerous neighborhood - even for us Purples.

          Plus, I wouldn't want to be accused of addressing the messenger instead of the message.... again. ;-)

          GA

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, GA, its rough territory for reds and purples, so proceed with caution...

          2. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Well, yes, it's again based on the words "you" and "your" and what you want me to do with your shovel handle.

            I'm astonished you refer to yourself as Purple in light of your vigorous defense of guns, Trump, conservatives, etc.

            Maybe we should start a separate thread to pin down our specific positions and get away from the word dancing.

            1. Aime F profile image84
              Aime Fposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I like this idea.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Got a topic? How can we set and enforce guidelines to keep posts focused on the issue rather than the person?

                1. Aime F profile image84
                  Aime Fposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  I was thinking multiple topics. Like one of those “political compass” quizzes. Maybe that’s too complicated. lol

                  I don’t think there’s any way to keep people from making it personal. Some really can’t help themselves. Just hope that the majority keep it on track I guess?

            2. PrettyPanther profile image87
              PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Word dancing. GA is good at that. See, I'm getting personal again but for me, when I hang out with my forum buddies for a few years, I can't help but notice their interesting patterns of behavior.

              Nothing wrong with being a word dancer; we need them to relieve us from the blunt talkers like me.

            3. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              GA is staying firmly on the fence as I told him the other day. He does have his legs hanging on the Trump side it seems from his comments. tongue

            4. GA Anderson profile image81
              GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              There you go again... You almost had me nailed promisem, but then you slipped up and left the door open.

              I am doubtful you can find an instance of me defending Pres. Trump. If you had just left that part out, you would have me dead-to-rights.

              I usually don't consider my responses "word dancing," sometimes maybe, but more often I think of them as polite efforts to avoid saying mean things about someone's contributions. Nobody likes to be shown they are wrong, or in worst cases - called an idiot.

              GA

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                yikes

                1. GA Anderson profile image81
                  GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Yikes?

                  I'm feeling pretty confident Randy. But after this string of responses, (I was warned about the neighborhood),  I'm also feeling a bit challenged. Maybe you can team up with promisem and find an instance of me defending Pres. Trump? PrettyPanther will probably help too - if you ask.

                  But wait... let's define this bar bet.

                  Me refusing to criticize Trump doesn't count.
                  Me validly, (by non-partisan standards), countering a partisan criticism doesn't count
                  and finally, me agreeing with a Trump policy doesn't count.

                  Are you up to it? I'll mix up some martinis while you look.

                  ps. I'll even take a box of crow out of the freezer - just in case. I was wrong once before, it was back in '78, when I thought I was mistaken - but I was wrong. So I guess it could happen again

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                    PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    LOL I would say you never, ever criticize Trump. Technically, that does not make you a Trump supporter, but one could argue that silence about Trump's egregious behavior is enabling him and his defenders to "normalize" behavior that never would have been tolerated in  POTUS before.

                    Sort of like when a significant segment of German citizens actively supported Hitler while another significant segment remained silent.

                    Sort of like that. big_smile

              2. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Pro-Trump posters on HP don't have to say "I support Trump" directly. They can criticize (constructively or destructively) the posts of people who oppose Trump.

                I believe you support Trump and his followers by criticizing posts (usually in a subtle and somewhat constructive way) of the opposition.

                I'm not criticizing you for having a conservative bias that spills over into Trump discussions. It's no different than liberals with a bias that also spill over when debating Trump. I'm just saying it's there.

                1. GA Anderson profile image81
                  GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  And I believe you are wrong. Ain't choice great!

                  If an "opposition" post legitimately deserved criticism - I don't think supporting that criticism equates to supporting Trump. What if an anti-Trump poster took issue with a blatantly wrong anti-Trump post, (I know - not likely), would that mean the criticizing poster is a Trump supporter?

                  "...somewhat constructive..." That sort of sounds like the point addressed might benefit from a little criticism - yet you deem that to be a pro-Trump motive?

                  GA

      2. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Happy holidays, Promisem.

        Instead of Hitler, how about Adenoid Hynkel?

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          LOL. I had to look up that one. Nice reference! I'll try to use it from now on in my posts about Mr. Trump.

          Happy holidays to you as well, Credence2.

  2. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 9 months ago

    You just don’t understand him because he’s so much smarter than you. He got a bigly degree from the best school in the universe and majored in everything. Got the highest test scores anyone has ever seen. Albert Einstein actually came back from the dead to ask him some questions about stuff but Einstein wanted to do a photo shoot so Trump turned him down. Before he crawled back into the ground though Einstein reportedly told Trump he had the biggest hands he’s ever seen and that staring directly into a solar eclipse is actually a sign of very high intelligence. It’s true, this actually happened, Alex Jones will tell you so.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image87
      PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      LOL, you're right. I don't understand him.

      Actually, I think I do understand him, and that's what scares me. The Trump supporters--the 32% who still like him--that's who I don't understand.

  3. Onusonus profile image78
    Onusonusposted 9 months ago

    And why is it that liberals focus so much on race baiting and social justice, and choose to be blind to the newly restored confidence in the stock market and economic turnaround that we have experienced over the last few months?
    Look no further than the history of Marxism. It was Marxist scientists that knew the world would fall to communism at the outbreak of the first world war, it was guaranteed science. But it didn't happen. They were wrong. But scientists can't be wrong, so they turned their theory from economic Marxism to focus on cultural Marxism. They even set up a school in Germany. The Germans however didn't like Marxist Jews hanging around so they moved their school to Columbia University where they developed critical theory. The same place where Obama studied economics.
    And the goal of these Marxists was to undermine the affluence of American life by attributing it's success to every negative practice that has been applied globally throughout the history of the world. Oppression of homosexuals, minorities, women, and any other special interest group they could think of. Nevermind the fact that we fought a war to be one of the first countries to end slavery, or the first to enact women's suffrage laws, of that we guarantee in our constitution the right to worship how they choose.
    It's impossible for the liberal mind to fathom that 100 million Americans know how to plan their own lives better than a few liberal elites in Washington.
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26165602_1303168446482997_5328108363311451165_n.jpg?oh=4f3ed3106c4986903158716bb270d788&oe=5AB4A896

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Onusonus,  Excellent!  I find that liberals try to play on emotion because they can't convince people of their views with an intellectual approach. On pure facts of history, liberals are always defeated.  The good thing is they think with their emotions so much, they have no idea why Donald Trump won the election. This would require them to look at themselves and be honest.  Since they like to play with emotions it's easier to create a hoax like collusion or the election was rigged and more than to admit they are wrong and figure out why.  I enjoy how they rant about Trump with no basis in fact and fake news.  It removes them farther from the truth and reality of our country.  This is what will guarantee Donald Trump continued success and a second term in office.  Who knows what the liberals will blame that on...should be interesting.

    2. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Trying to pull another fast one, eh Onusonus?

      Did you not think that I would check the validity of your right wing rant and determine what was in fact true?

      Well, you are wrong about America being among the "first to end slavery or grant universal women's suffrage.

      Want proof, here it is....

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slav … 4920070322

      https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/fir … frage.html

      P.S., the rest of the comment is just so much bull sh** as well. You have a lot of audacity putting this sort of rubbish into print.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Same guy who said  the GOP tax cuts are stimulating the economy, even though they just took effect today.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Its called the "fast track".....

      2. Onusonus profile image78
        Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Your claim is what's garbage Credence. Womens suffrage has a longer history in the US than simply the ratification of the 19th amendment. America's history is much more exceptional than what your liberal arts professors are pumping into the soft heads of innocent children. And the rest of the country is waking up from liberal fantasy land which is why Democrats are always the ones getting caught stuffing the ballot boxes.

        Enjoy your oikophobic, Marxist, white guilt, America hating, cop bashing, flag stomping, Christian bashing, antisemetic, gender confused, anti-constitutional, party of self implosion.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

        1. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Am I the only one who read this to the tune of Twelve Days of Christmas?

          1. GA Anderson profile image81
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Yep.

            GA

            1. Aime F profile image84
              Aime Fposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Well fine then.

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Equivocating again, are we Onusurus?  I am well aware that women's suffrage was in place in many states and territories prior to America making such a national policy with the 19th Amendment. But, that is not what you said. And what about slavery, all quiet here, right?

          America, being exceptional, depends on what it is we are talking about. Open inquiry rather than indoctrination is an alien concept for the Rightwinger. That is why you deplore higher education as students  have the opportunity to think and reason for themselves, can't have too much of that in the Trump era, can we?

          Don't you worry, we will get rid of Trump and consign him and his followers back to the root cellar or closet where they belong. And the wonderful thing is that he will do it to himself.

          "Enjoy your oikophobic, Marxist, white guilt, America hating, cop bashing, flag stomping, Christian bashing, antisemetic, gender confused, anti-constitutional, party of self implosion."

          Standard boilerplate, Onusurus, must you all be so predictable?

          1. Onusonus profile image78
            Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            You stand debunked on that one and so lets move on to the next thing, what about slavery? We fought a war a lot of people died and it's gone. I stand by what I said, we are one of the first countries to abolish it. Also, in case you were unaware it was a bunch of white men who died to end slavery.  So another liberal fallacy of white guilt goes in the trash can.

            You see here's the problem, right here. You can't accept that the stock market has so much confidence in a capitalist president that it would react in the positive so swiftly, yet even a recent false report of his collusion with Russians by ABC (and touted by Joy Behar) caused a major dip in the market followed by a quick rebound after the truth was brought to light.

            But lets talk about higher education. I'm all for it. Engineering, science, history, etc. Yes. Gender studies, social justice, cultural Marxism, no. You talk about the inferiority of indoctrination yet it is the liberal colleges that push a one sided argument without chance for objection except under the pretense of reprisal. It is undeniable that colleges across the country have incited violence over the threat of hosting a conservative speaker in their midst. Your side is guilty by far of destroying free speech in this nation. The irony of your leftist Antifa is that their methods are reminiscent of Hitler youth, and the thing they claim to be against is the thing that they use the most. Much in the same way Kim Jong Un calls his country a democratic peoples republic.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image87
              PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Out of curiosity, are you speaking from experience? Do you have a college degree?

            2. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, I heard what you said but more reliable sources beyond your mere opinion say otherwise, did you look at it? Yes, I guess we were among the first, if being among the low end of the top twenty counts..

              We fought a war to end secession; there were riots in the North protesting conscription as many Yankees were not keen to going to war just to free the slaves. Those same bunches of white men and their progeny were a party to both de facto and de jure discrimination that extended well beyond a century after the war. Every agonizing step of progress had to be fought for by blacks and the few progressive whites with blood and treasure in the struggle for 1st class citizenship. Imagine having to actually fight for a bill in Congress that prohibited lynching during the first quarter of the last century, who would have believed that?  Any progress made usually didn’t come with any help from conservatives or rightwingers, by the way.

              That is not much better than South Africa prior to Mandela’s takeover. Things to think about before you pull your arms out from their sockets in praise to all the benevolent whites of the period.
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              “You see here's the problem, right here. You can't accept that the stock market has so much confidence in a capitalist president that it would react in the positive so swiftly, yet even a recent false report of his collusion with Russians by ABC (and touted by Joy Behar) caused a major dip in the market followed by a quick rebound after the truth was brought to light. “

              Of course capitalists are going to have confidence in a capitalist president, who lines their pockets as plutocrats and autocrats to the despair of everyone else, so what else is new? I would not count on any of this unless it can sustain itself over a greater period of time. You gave Obama no credit, so I am going to wait and see before Trump can truly be said to earn his wages on the job.

              Education is education, social sciences is a part of education, gender, racial studies understanding of culture differences, etc,  are a relevant part of the American social fabric and its relevance important in imparting the true meaning of American history beyond all the fables put forth by the Right. Conservatism has always been the villain,  they supported the divine right of kings and lords, they said slavery was a positive good, and were always found in the resistance whenever there were civil rights to be extended to those that otherwise did not have them. Conservatism in America has a sordid history of the worship of the status quo, which was never going be to the benefit of the greater number in the long term.

              I do not abide with any restriction of speech imposed against even the most horrid of rightwing advocates. That would make us just as guilty of muzzling opposing ideas as the rightwinger does routinely.  I would tell my young friends to simply not attend; they will speak through their absence. The University cannot afford to invite speakers with no audience.. But, on the other hand, I would go to see what the enemy has in store and how to best counter them.

              Even if I were not minority, I would rather be found on the side that opposes bigotry, fascism etc, than be associated with groups who have a history of advocating such things, yes?

              1. Onusonus profile image78
                Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Interesting, I am usually debating conservatives on the civil war. It was about slavery, the Republican party was formed out of the abolitionist movement, the south was actively attempting to spread slavery and conservative Republicans were there to preserve a very conservative idea that all men are created equal.
                Liberals to this day do not believe people are created equal, which is why they want minorities attached to welfare, and to create a racist multicultural society rather than e pluribus unum, out of many, one.

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  That is correct, I am most certain that the war could probably have been averted if slavery were not in the equation. During the mid 19th century, certainly Republican could be fairly called the "progressive party". But today's GOP is not the one of my great, great, great grandfather.

                  Racist multiculturalism? what is that? What is the alternative? White Supremacy, and we know that is not going to wash, right? Who or what is represented by the 'unum' (one)?

                  What is the GOP alternative to welfare? Trumps says that jobs are to be the alternative but I have heard this from GOP Presidents before, I just as well be chasing the wind.

                  1. Onusonus profile image78
                    Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    Preserving the intentions laid out in the declaration of independence was not then nor does it continue to be the modus operandi of liberals as they are defined today.
                    The KKK is more closely related to liberals than your conservative Republican great, great, great gramps, as liberalism remains to be synonymous with violence and coercion.

        3. PrettyPanther profile image87
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Wow, ya got me two ways. I had to look up"oikophobia" and I was just puttin' on my flag-stompin' boots. Kinda hard to stomp, though, when it's flying off my front porch.  LOL

          1. Onusonus profile image78
            Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Upside down, no doubt.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image87
              PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Now, you're insulting my hubby, a career military guy, Air Force/NSA, who did three tours in Viet Nam, and many more dangerous missions

              I forgive you, though, this is a rough thread for Trump fans.

              1. Onusonus profile image78
                Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Relax, I'm not insulting your husband, he's probably the only reason your flag is right side up.

                So let me tell you I'm not really a big fan of Trump. He's crass, he's morally repugnant, and he says a lot of stupid stuff. Lets be honest, when it comes to presidential elections we're not voting for our guy as much as we are voting against the other guy, (or gal in this case). In fact I think that the thing I like the most about Trump is that I am able to criticize him without being labeled a racist, sexist, etc.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                  PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Okay, but here's the thing. You refuse to give credit to Obama for the economic gains made over an eight year period, but you're willing to give Trump credit for the economy less than a year into his term. If you were truly fair, you wouldn't do that.

                  1. Onusonus profile image78
                    Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    I did give Obama his due credit. Like I said before;  the most food stamps the US has ever dolled out in a single presidential cycle, the trillion dollar deficit that he doubled down on, all those government shut downs, a disastrous healthcare bill that kicked millions of people off their insurance programs and penalized people for not participating, the failure with green energy, and those millions of dollars wasted in the failure of Solyndra, the 5% drop in labor force participation, in fact Obama's GDP growth never got higher than 1.5%, which hasn't happened since 1929, but I'm sure there's a Nobel prize in there somewhere.

 
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