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Do you think Conrad Black got what he deserved?

  1. nightwork4 profile image61
    nightwork4posted 5 years ago

    Do you think Conrad Black got what he deserved?

    he's already out of prison and I think he should have gotten at least 15 years. Brinks guards can shoot you for trying to rob them and he stole more money then any Brinks truck carries , so why didn't he get more time?

  2. Lions Den Media profile image59
    Lions Den Mediaposted 5 years ago

    Conrad Black's case is one in which the United States prosecuted him for fraud and obstruction of justice. However, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Black's favor on certain charges of fraud which is quite unusual for the US Supremes to rule on such a case unless there was an obvious agregious abuse of power and miscarriage of justice.

    So I'm not inclined to ever accept at face value the claims of a corrupt government. And don't use the term "corrupt" losely. The US government has proven time and time again to be selective in who they prosecute. They have certainly created a perception that they will disregard the law as well as moral and ethical conduct in order to achieve convictions against those they disagree with.

    Often times the objective is one of personal engrandizement in an attempt to enhance and advance a career of some federal prosecutor.

    That said, I don't know enough about the Black case, however, what I do know of the case I have a propensity to error on the side of the acussed as is the custom in a democratic republic. I believe it is an extremely dangerous precedent to assume that a government, by virtue of being the government, is honorable and predisposed to achieving justice, whilst accepting without prejudice the guilt of an individual based solely on claims made by the government.

    Most often times an alleged white collar crime affects nobody. For example, an insider trading case or the case of Martha Stewart's alleged lying to the feds. How, even if she did lie, did that affect anyone else? Similarly, an individual fraudulently (according to the gov) illegally trades stock on inside information and makes $1 million -- who does that exactly harm? And does the government prosecute the "illegal" activity if the trader "loses" money?

    Therefore, I do not believe or accept the comparison of Black to that of a common armed thief that shoots someone while robbing a Brinks truck. There two comparisons are illogical and without basis in fact. They are completely utterly and wholely different in nature. And we should stop comparing the "alleged" fraudulent activity of so-called white collar criminals with that of thugs that rob, kill and harm people. Prove to me he harmed someone and then I would agree to prison.

    1. John Holden profile image59
      John Holdenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You think white collar crime is victimless! Wow.
      An individual illegally trades stock and makes $1 million, who does that harm? Only the people who no longer have $1 million.

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      writeronlineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      So, by your definition, the Global Financial Crisis, clearly understood to be the result of unbridled greed on the part of immoral, illegal, unethical and corrupt financial sector company owners and executives, harmed no-one? Bernie Madoff likewise?

  3. nightwork4 profile image61
    nightwork4posted 5 years ago

    Lions Den Media , i disagree with you completely. to me robbery is robbery. i didn't say the thief shot anyone, i said you can be shot by the guards. also, these kinds of white collar crimes like black did destroy multiple lives in most cases so how is that not as bad as a robber who robs money from a brinks truck?

    1. Lions Den Media profile image59
      Lions Den Mediaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The charge was fraud NOT -- robbery. Thus by definition robbery is NOT fraud. These are two totally different legal terms and acts. Fraud is a matter of opinion, robbery is a concrete act, even though both involve the same motive - money.