Are Men Losing Their Jobs to Women who will Work for Less?

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   Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years ago

   Are Men Losing Their Jobs to Women who will Work for Less?
   
   In light of the Pay Fairness Act before Congress, I'd like to know if anyone has any information on this.

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   tmbridgelandposted 13 years ago

   Yes. But in the US this all happened in the 1960s, 70s and 80s, when women flooded into the workforce, roughly doubling the number of workers competing for jobs. It is one reason wages have not risen much in the last few decades. Basic economics, raise the supply of a resource, automatically reduce the price.

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I had not thought of it in terms of labor for supply. Thanks.

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      Doc Snowposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Basic economics, raise the supply of a resource, automatically reduce the price."
      
      Maybe a tad *too* basic!  You must consider demand.  Outsourcing and ever-increasing productivity per worker are trends better matching the rise of unemployment.

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   Dubuquedogtrainerposted 13 years ago

   I guess it depends where you are standing. As a woman I have noticed that men are hired for positions that I was more qualified for and paid more, so I have not observed this.

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Right. Then, there are the anti-fair Pay Act people who say that isn't happening--but just look at the Fortune 500 CEOs with only 15 or so women. Makes me think.

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   ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

   Men are losingg thier jobs to ANYONE who will work for less , been there done that !  IIlegals ,  legals , woman , child , no matter . If you think that corporate America cares about you as a worker at all , think again. Its all about  the $$$$. The whole green card issue is about legalized slavery , whats next childhood worker restriction easments?!

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      tmbridgelandposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Agree. The issue of women taking jobs from men is basically over and done. Current job pressure is against US minorities and youth who are competing for entry level jobs with immigrants.

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      Dubuquedogtrainerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree - there is discrimination against older workers like myself, even though it's illegal - hard to prove

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   Patty Inglish, MSposted 13 years ago

   Some wonder if men are losing jobs to women because women will accept a lower pay rate for the same job in America. However,  government labor statistics show that in January - end of April 2012, over twice as many women were lost out of the eorkfore as were men. Men had lost jobs to women only in 2009 and part of 2010, with a reverse trend continuing into May 2012. read more

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   pagesvoiceposted 13 years ago

   I really don't think sex is the issue in hiring anymore, except the fact that men are still paid more in comparison to women. What has happened is the lack of camaraderie between employer and employee that we once had prior to sharks attacking the workforce in the name of "Bain Capital."

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I had a job with in a university psychiatry department. The university was turned into a public corporation and downsizers were hired by the new coporate board. Soon our cozy little department was turned into a battle ground with 25% a year turnover.

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   alancaster149posted 13 years ago

   There are jobs - such as in microtechnology - that are given to women in the Far East, low-paid by and large but not offered to men anyway because women's fingers are generally smaller. Where I worked at Royal Mail the women were on the same pay level as the men but were exempted from some jobs because of the nature of the work (as in heavy lifting, where most of the women were smaller than their male colleagues, and fork-lift drivers. But that job was restricted to owners of fork-lift certificates, and none of the women had ever trained on that job). In India work on decommissioning ships is given to men and young boys, but the work is considered unsuitable for women. It is very poorly paid and workers put in 14-hour days on average.
   In Britain again, jobs are held aside for women in office jobs at certain sites because the employers won't take on men for that work (I remember at Woolworth's in the late 60's, no men were taken on to work in their offices).
   If employers won't take on men for a particular job, no amount of legislation will change their minds. We have an Equal Pay Act in Britain that goes back to the 1980's, but it doesn't force employers to hire men.

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      Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for the insight about so many places. I was wondering where ships were decommissioned and why old boats sold for so much. Now I'm getting an idea. It was a male's job when we did it in the U.S., but now I guess American wages are too high.

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   Larry Wallposted 13 years ago

   I do not think women are getting jobs from men and being paid less. I think jobs are being designed with women in mind and are starting at lower salaries. Thus, as they progress up the ranks, they make more money. Some of the jobs would had been filled by men in the past at a higher starting pay. Now job titles have changed making it easier for employers to get past the gender issue at the outset and deal with that later as the capability of the employee becomes more evident.
   
   However, there is still some discrimination.
   
   For example, there are no more secretaries. Everyone is an administrative assistant. In the city where I use to live, the person who was point man for the mayor was an administrative assistant. In my last job, besides being Public Relations Director, I was administrative assistant to the president.  We have two secretaries. One had the title of office manager--she was in charge of supplies and the other who was receptionist-secretary--rather self-explanatory. We change job titles later, but the duties did not change. Today, if the administrative assistant position is for a woman, it will require a "pleasant telephone voice." If it is for a man, it will require "ability to delegate." Some position, probably the same pay. However, the man with the ability to delegate will move up the ladder faster than the woman with the pleasant telephone voice.

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   feenixposted 13 years ago

   All I know is that over the years, a very sizable number of women have told me that the primary reason why they work on a job is they get very bored staying home with the kids all day.

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    Eugene Hardyposted 13 years ago

    No.  Women are paid less because corporate society value it less.  Men lose their jobs based on the economics, not on women being willing to work for less pay. 
    
    No information on that legislation however.

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    SidKempposted 13 years ago

    I would phrase the question slightly differently: Are employers hiring women to save money when they can get away with paying women less for equal work?
    
    Ask it that way, and look at history, and the answer is yes, clearly, some employers do that. Listen to the Peggy Seeger song "I want to be an engineer" for details. In England, when hard times struck, male machinists (engineers) were laid off and women hired in their place.

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       Dr Billy Kiddposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks. It seems like things are slightly different in the U.S. What is said here is that doctor's wages are going down because women have started to take over the field. We just don't have that many female engineers yet.

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    yssubramanyamposted 13 years ago

    Yes, it is true since the competition level between woman and man has given raise to above problem. growing poverty, unemployment and insecurity are contributory factors.

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