What happened to the transparency?

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  1. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 14 years ago

    On September 24, Nancy Pelosi vowed to post the final version of the HC bill online for 72 hours before it was voted on. She's changed her mind. Why?? I would really love to read it.

    1. starme77 profile image79
      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The health care bill was put off on being voted oovoted on until tuesday because there are still not enough yes votes

      1. starme77 profile image79
        starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Oboma did it , he's trying to get enough votes before its voted on , really crooked if you ask me , but anyway thats what is going on

  2. Flightkeeper profile image68
    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    Because she's a damned fascist.

  3. profile image0
    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    Because The Ghostbusters might zap her?

  4. readytoescape profile image61
    readytoescapeposted 14 years ago

    Hello habee,

    What elese is new? These people as as transparent as mud. They don't want anyone to know whats in the bill

  5. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 14 years ago

    It seems to me that if it were a really good bill, they would want all US citizens to read it. We might like it and support it. This action on Pelosi's part makes it look like they're ashamed of the legislation and don't want anyone to see it.

    I do think we need to reform health care, but I would like to see the bill before it becomes law. Obama promised new bills would be posted online for 72 hours before a vote. He should make her do it! Unfortunately, she's running the show - not the POTUS. And believe me - A LOT more people like him than they do her! I think she makes BO look bad.

  6. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Ryan, I think the Ghostbusters only zap republicans. lol

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

    Why are you posting this in the hubbers hangout and not in the Poltics forum. Some of us really try to avoid that forum and poltics at Hubpages.

    Please respect that choice and keep political debate there.

    1. TimTurner profile image69
      TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Someone is grumpy!

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    Ken R. Abellposted 14 years ago

    The easy answer to the question is that transparency went the way of politics.  This is what professional politicians do.  Say all kinds of idealistic words, then do whatever is expedient at the time.

    This latest one from Pelosi is sickening...but not at all surprising.  How long until she has to go back to the voters in her district?

  9. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Ummm...gee, Nelle. The Hubbers' Hangout specifically says you can post anything you like here. So I did.

    1. Stimp profile image61
      Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, seems there's alot of religious debate here as well.  I guess I just don't go to those forums that disinterest me.  It is what it is.

  10. UPStar profile image60
    UPStarposted 14 years ago

    It would take a lot longer than 72 hours to read it. Oh.... and wait... the 800 ammendments added to it as well. So what would be the point?

  11. Sandy Thorn profile image59
    Sandy Thornposted 14 years ago

    Were you planning to read it?

    1. UPStar profile image60
      UPStarposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No, but if i was a lawmaker I wouldn't vote on it unless I could, or knew I had a clear idea of what was in it

      1. Sandy Thorn profile image59
        Sandy Thornposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        The lawmakers have staff who read the bills, keep track of the proposed amendments, and summarize what's in it.  I'm pretty sure many if not most of the members of Congress don't personally read most of the bills, much less the average citizen.  However, I do agree that it should be available for citizens to read and comment on, and it is: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3962/show

        Currently, an amendment has been proposed to strengthen assurances that no taxpayer money is used for abortions and to make the Hyde Amendment, which bans the use of such money, permanent.  IF that amendment is enacted, then it is possible that the official language won't be available for a full 72 hours before the vote.  However, a manager's amendment will be available, which is the final alteration lawmakers make to a bill before bringing it to the floor.

        This happens all the time with large bills; there's nothing sneaky going on, it's just how the process works. 

        If a citizen really wants to read the bill, it's online right now and has been since October 29.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    Their agenda is so important to them that the end justifies the means.

  13. Stimp profile image61
    Stimpposted 14 years ago

    Okay....and here's my joke for the day....you young folk won't get it...but we oldsters will...

    what happened to transparencies?  They went out with the Ditto Machine...get it?  ditto Machine.

    Oldsters....do you remember the purple ink still wet and sniffing it.

  14. TimTurner profile image69
    TimTurnerposted 14 years ago

    CNN pointed out that one of Obama's promises was to make a bill visible to the public FIVE days before voting.

    This was one of his 15 promises that he has not kept so far.

    I don't trust this guy or his administration for the life of me.  He is shady or just inexperienced.  Maybe both.


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