If the Election 2012 campaiging ended today, would you even vote (presuming you

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   Perspycaciousposted 12 years ago

   If the Election 2012 campaiging ended today, would you even vote (presuming you could)?
   
   There are so many issues neither candidate for the presidency has even addresses, I'm afraid I couldn't vote with confidence at this point in the campaign.  Defense, Debt, Jobs, Housing, Pipeline, Banks, Tax Sytem, Education, Immigration, Super PACs, Social Security, Foreign Policy,
   Drones, Drugs, Gangs, Terrorism, Borders, Crime, Infrastructure....  the plate shuld be full of ideas and proposed solutions, but sitting in front of us on the table is a plate with nothing but a sprig of parsley.  Where's the beef?!

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   Chris Daneposted 12 years ago

   Well, I could vote for Obama knowing pretty much what I'd get on all of the above. Romney, on the other hand, is a complete mystery. He has a brief policy record as governor, which he says he'll do the exact opposite of, so we're back to square one. I wonder if he'll be any less of an unknown quantity by November?

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Can I just add that people are nuts? Obama's everything is out there and can be looked up. Why do people insist that he's hiding something? Can we all just grow a brain stem and stop believing everything we read in chain e-mails? Use the links!

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah-don't start with the name calling cause my views aren't your views. I research everything and all people, including you, should do the same. Chris, let's just say we agree to disagree. I stick to facts. If I find it's wrong, I change my opinion.

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You can't just point to an article that someone wrote and say you did research.

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Last comment to you - I don't just check one article - I have read and researched many. This site is the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. https://www.iardc.org/index.html

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If you did the research, then you have the link to the exact case. Show it to me. Otherwise, citing authority by vaguely referencing a homepage is a weak obfuscation for either laziness or deception.

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=408586562
      http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=531898618
      These are the links from 2011. No longer work but I don't have to prove anything to you. Time to take the Harley out. I'm done. Great day to you!

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's so funny. My link works. Here it is again. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp . But it looks like the accountability train has left the station.

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like you swallow everything you read from snopes - just what you claim I do even though you don't know me. Not surprised. Some people's motto: If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger - btw none of which I have done to you!

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Cassie Ann, the number of poisonous lies against the president have undermined our ability to have rational policy debate. I defended Sarah Palin from liberal conspiracies like book banning. This type of smear you are perpetuating is reprehensible.

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       Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Time to let it go. I am not smearing anyone as I believe it to be the truth. On the other hand, I do not believe everything said about the Obama's to be the truth. We just differ according to what we have read. Sorry but snopes is not proof to me.

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       Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       There is reality and fantasy. There are legitimate sources. Snopes is one that I use for convenience. But it's like I'm using an image of the Earth from a NASA website while you point to Flat Earth Society blogs. Selectivity is part of reason.

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       Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Your analogy is hilarious. Snopes is a known lefty org. & I don't use them just as I don't use any extreme right wing org.So the Atty. Reg.& Disciplinary Comm/Supreme Court of IL is fantasy but snopes is not?? This is why we cant have rationa

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       Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       How is snopes a lefty org? All of the links you sent me were right wing blogs! The IARDC is legitimate, which is why you don't have any active links. I'm guessing you were fed them from a blog? I'm still waiting. I was able to prove my claims.

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       Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Truly research snopes. You didn't prove a thing. Have many links-can't post them all. IARDC links expire from spring 2011.Hijacked this thread enough-agreed??My guess is people like u have 2 have the last word. Have at it. Gr8 talking 2 u Chris

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       Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Cassie Ann, I love to spar! Of course I enjoyed. I have researched snopes: they have legit attribution but your sites did not. I was able to follow through and validate conclusions. I encourage you to continue being a skeptic, but rely on facts. Ciao

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   mio cidposted 12 years ago

   I would vote with confidence for whoever the democratic candidate is  simply because i'm a working man and an immigrant on those two situations i could not vote republican the old cnel.sanders and the chicken deal.

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   peeplesposted 12 years ago

   If it ends today or not I will NOT be voting for Romney or Obama. Neither are good for our country and I believe voting for either will simply be voting for the lesser of the two evils. I will be writing in someone else.

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   Cassie Annposted 12 years ago

   Good question. I find two answers very curious. One says Romney is a complete mystery. On the contrary, Obama is the mystery. Not much history is know on him at all. No medical records, college records or people from his past admitting to knowing him. Does anyone realize that both Obama and Michelle "surrendered"  their lawyers licenses? Michelle surrendered her license in 1993 when she was given the choice to surrender or stand trial for insurance fraud. Obama surrendered his license in 2008 to escape charges he lied on his bar application.
   
   Another poster says he is a working man and an immigrant and he cannot vote republican. I am a working woman (Briggs and Stratton) and a granddaughter of immigrants and I cannot in right conscience vote Democratic.
   
   While I agree the pickings are sparse, I simply cannot vote for Obama. We are $16 trillion in debt as a nation and in just three years, Obama has increased it by over $5 trillion on his own as the 44th president. So the last 43 presidents combined are responsible for $10 trillion. Not a good sign in my book.

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Cassie Ann, you're embarrassingly wrong. The Obamas still have their law licenses, but they are inactive, cause they're not using them currently, they don't want to pay all of the high annual fees associated with the upkeep. They can be reactivated.

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever, Chris. Check out:http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harvard-law-review-has-no-law-license/
      Oh right. They can't afford annual fees but can afford to take $500,000 vacations on taxpayer money.

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Cassie Ann, yes, they can afford them, but not wasting money you don't have to is what allows you to take 500,000 dollar vacations. They still have the licenses: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp . STOP SPREADING LIES.

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      Cassie Annposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not spreading lies. Truth hurts. These are not chain emails. This is the link to check for yourself:https://www.iardc.org/index.html-Attorney Reg.&Displinary Commission. More-http://shutking.blogspot.com/2010/01/who-is-michelle-obama.html. Google

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A blog post of regurgitated chain mail claims is not an improvement, and if you did the follow up research on IARDC where's the specific link? One common fake cite is to direct readers to a home page of authority, without an actual link for citation.

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   Two Minute Reviewposted 12 years ago

   I'm going to say at this point that it is Romney. I had high hopes for Obama, although I thought his resume was a little slim in 2008. Obviously the argument that he is unqualified in 2012 is a little silly, given that he's held the job for the last 3 1/2 years. But he seems to be much more divisive a figure than advertised, and that's where I had the most hope. I was a much bigger fan of Jon Huntsman in the GOP primary than Romney, as I thought he was not a panderer, and was a true statesman and patriot. Unfortunately, he also didn't register a pulse and was bounced early. Romney, who is a distant cousin of Huntsman, has similar attributes, and that is crucial in these divided political times. I will take the Republican who managed to get elected in a Democratic state and has made a career of reaching compromise with those he disagrees with over the divisive partisan who has only ever run in comfortable Democratic states, and for president when anti-GOP sentiment was at its peak....

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      Chris Daneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well, my gosh, a reasonable man! I appreciate your measured approach and enjoyed what you had to say. I pick on Romney a lot, but I do respect him, really. I just fear total party control again, which hurt Obama's first two years in office.

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      Perspycaciousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I couldn't vote today, but today is not November 6, 2012.  I am still open minded and I want to hear some real debates on the core issues America's president will have to face over the next four years.  A nagging concern is current stalemate.

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   drdspervezposted 12 years ago

   Even one vote counts a lot in elections so YES I would definitely vote my self,to bring the change for the betterment.
   
                                                         DR.DURRESHAHWAR PERVEZ

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