Has Mitt Romney just lost to the election?

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   peanutroasterposted 11 years ago

   Has Mitt Romney just lost to the election?
   
   A video was recently released in which Mitt Romney writes off 47% of America as people who consider themselves victims and who support Obama and people who he feels that he can not help.  Is this the moment that he lost the election or was it at some other point?

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   SassySue1963posted 11 years ago

   That is not what he said. He said these are the people who will vote for Obama no matter what and that he cannot worry about them in terms of trying to win them over to vote for him. He is speaking of those that live off the government teat and do not even pay any taxes. It is true that some are underemployed and just not earning enough, but that is the minority, not the majority. I hate to disappoint you but no, this will not lose him the election. And he did not say he couldn't "help" them, he said there are those that he will not be able to convince to take responsibility for themselves. It's a fact. Sorry, they exist.
   In 2008, Obama wrote off a much larger portion of the population when he said much the same thing of those who will "cling to their religion and guns".

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      peanutroasterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Obama was referring to people who vote against their best interests.   I.e. some people in the 47% who vote Republican.  Sort of the  same issue, Romney cares less about any unfortunate American Republican or Democrat.

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      SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No he wasn't. Nothing about "voting" mentioned.
      source: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ … hobia.html
      Try to justify it again.

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   pcoachposted 11 years ago

   Mitt Romney has NOT lost this election at all.  He is running neck and neck with Obama regardless what the lame stream media edits and tells you.  The whitehouse uses deception and threats to win. America better wake up.  If ignorance is bliss, why isn't this 47% group happy? There simply is no more ignorant group. These folks should be ecstatic!
   I agree with sassysue 100%.  I would go one step further and say that if you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Without the poor 47%, Obama wouldn't be in office. And he fully intends, purposefully, to grow that number.  Mark my words.  Why should someone have a say in what goes on in this country if they are not contributing?  I don't speak of retired social security or medicare recipients because they paid and paid for their whole lives to receive that benefit. People on disability as well as long as they are true disabilities but I happen to know individuals who receive SSDI who could absolutely be working but scammed the system. But those illegals (no, it's not a dirty word) and Occupy Wallstreet types, and life-long welfare recipients, they should not be able to vote at all because they have no skin in the game.  You treat things differently when you have actually earned them. But when things are simply given to you, you don't have the same respect for them.

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      peanutroasterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So the elderly, disabled and working poor should be treated like convicts?  Hope you never need the safety net.  Fraud is something for the judicial system - why don't your report your friends who scam the system?

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Number of nonpayers grew the most under Bush. Not Obama or Clinton. Besides, almost everyone pays taxes, even undocumented workers.

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      Conservative Ladyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Left always accuses the Right of not caring about the elderly and disabled if you dare say you are tired of paying the way of the freeloaders. They know we are not referring to the elderly or frail but they have nowhere else to go...

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      bworthingtonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, the elderly and college students are both included in Mitt's 47% he isn't worried about.  As are the working poor, who after applying their deductions end up with no taxable liabilities. 
      
      So even though you don't disparage them, Mitt does

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   GNelsonposted 11 years ago

   He hasn't lost the election yet, but he is working on it.  I can't believe that he can claim 47% of the people in these United States are victims and dependent on the government.  How many of his rich buddies are dependent on government contracts to get rich off the rest of us while they hide their money overseas to advoid taxes like he does.  He is a product of the 1% and will represent them very well if elected.  The rest of will truely be victims then.
   He will lose if voters pay attention!!

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   junksellerposted 11 years ago

   Romney is toast. He doesn't have the personality or campaign managers (it seems) to get out from behind this one. Mitt Romney is the Grey Poupon man. Only he is asking it of a family sitting by their broken down car roasting roadkill over a fire. People suspected, but didn't really want to believe, that he was this crass and uncaring for his fellow Americans, but now the true dirty beast is out of the closet.
   
   For whatever reason he is historically, politically, and geographically myopic. The largest increase in nonpayers came during Bush's presidency, largely from tax cuts that are supposedly a plank of the GOP. You can't both cut taxes AND complain when people pay less. And the states with the highest percentage of nonpayers are all in the South. Also, nonpayers aren't the same group as people who receive federal benefits and neither of those groups is exclusively Democratic or guaranteed to vote for Obama. Plenty of them are independents who he is supposedly interested in winning over. And lastly, many of the key swing states are states with low tax liabilities. Seriously, who does he have managing his campaign? They are awful.

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      Conservative Ladyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The number of those on Food stamps has risen by 45% since Obama has taken office - is that Bush's fault too?  Romney is honest. Those who are on the government dole are more likely to vote Democrat - so why should he spend funds campaigning to them?

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      bworthingtonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Regarding your last question, it is interesting that Willard's claim to the Oval Office is his executive experience, yet he is running an even more incompetent campaign than John McCain. 
      The majority of Romney's wounds are self inflicted.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      C.L. - Many new food stamp recipients are people hurt by the recession - lost jobs and foreclosures - and are probably just as likely to be Rep. or Ind. At any rate, a man who denigrates half the country is unworthy of this nation.

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      peanutroasterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The majority of "people on the dole" as you put it live in red states.  They are the working poor, the elderly like my parents retired in Florida and disabled PLUS 7,000 or so millionaires who game the system.  If Romney ever releases his tax return.

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      SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @peanutroaster He wasn't talking about the working poor, students nor elderly. If you're working, you're paying taxes i.e. payroll etc. If you're a student, you're in school, if you're elderly on SS/Medicare you've already paid taxes.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      By the time you remove all of the people he supposedly wasn't talking about you are left with a pretty small percentage. Even so, he is still running to be President of everyone. Not just those he deems worthy of his attention.

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      SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And he did not say anyone was unworthy. He was speaking of wooing voters and that these had already made up their minds so he couldn't worry about them, in terms of trying to woo them.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      He said they don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives," and "believe that they are victims." Those comments are insulting and their is no justification for them.

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      SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Only 17% (and you could argue closer to 10%) of the 47% are elderly or disabled. Yes he used the 47% and should have accounted for the difference. He himself has already said he should have stated it differently.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Only 7 percent of households are nonelderly and pay no federal taxes. http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/19/ … aying.html
       So, do you honestly believe he didn't mean every word he said?

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       peanutroasterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       SassySue - we can only go by what the man said. Not what you wish he said.  Obviously the spoiled rich man has complete disdain for half of the people in the country and the largest group resides in red states.  GOP is distancing themselves him.

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   TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years ago

   I don't know whether Romney has lost the election or not, but his propensity for saying the wrong thing is pretty obvious!  It makes me wonder what he will say, if elected, when he says the wrong thing to a world leader and causes major problems.
   
   We need someone in office who thinks before he opens his mouth, and Romney has proven time and again that he is not that person.
   
   And unlike some who are involved in this particular discussion, I heard exactly what he said...he referred to those people who accept government assistance in any form as "victims" and yes, he did say, "I can't worry about them"...this last comment was probably in reference to getting their votes, but if his attitude is to shunt those aside who are on Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid or those who got caught in the housing bubble and stock market crashes...well, then...he's including LOTS of Republicans in that mix as well as Dems.
   
   I used to think he was a decent guy, but I no longer feel that way about him.  He is arrogant and clearly is unable to identify with the average Joe...but it is the average Joe who will be voting, so Romney had better think before he opens his mouth again!

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   Miss Tillmanposted 11 years ago

   I was never voting for him to start. But honestly speaking, I think he stood  a very close chance to becoming our next President......until he opened his stupid, ignorant mouth about that magical 47%..that has turned nearly everyone that had his vote away, now those people are looking into the 3rd party. Besides Romney is not about the people. He is trying to make the politics side look better. Obama is about the people and came from that 47%. I prefer a president who is for the American people than I do to make the government and politics look better. The Govt. and their tactics are so screwed up right now and the shady people in it that are all about themselves.  They only tell the people what they think we need to know or hear and keep secrets about the things that really matter, but they think we are too illiterate to comprehend what is really going on..Another thing is that 47% of victims involves myself being a  college educated, U.S. Army vet , my mother who had an on the job injury now she depends on a disabilty check to pay her bills cause she can't work, and many more people I know that have worked since 16 yrs. old paying taxes. If food stamps, WIC, section 8, welfare, child care assistance, is such a bad thing, then why do we still have it around???? O wait thats all to make the govt look better because they are not victims and don't need help..

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   Max Shelleyposted 11 years ago

   Dear god I hope so, I don't care for either candidate as both are just puppets of their parties but I'd much rather have Obama in office than Romney, and there's no point debating about what could be if there was another choice besides these two idiots cause there isn't another one that has any chance of winning.

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