Let's Talk About - What's Best?

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Hello Hubbers,
   
   I know, me again and yes I am here to make a point. And, unfortunately, my feathers, per se, are already ruffled, by the ridiculous thinking of some people. I will be writing my next Hub about this, because it is completely out of control.
   
   I understand, where some people want to or think that, they are helping people or saving a life, via preventing abortions from happening, and the basis isn't a societial problem. It's an individual's problem.
   
   Hence, you can see- the RIGHT OF LIFE and the RIGHT OF CHOICE are being violated by others. Now- I brought this up the other day when someone asked about Human Rights and the fact that it was an illusion. However, RIGHTS are not an illusion, but a very essential part of how we live our life.
   
   It is NOT in society's best interest to TELL ME how to live my life, if they want me to be productive and be a benefit.
   
   It is NOT in society's best interest to DIMINISH another person's individual space. The intrusion isn't to be allowed.
   
   It is NOT in society's best interest to DEMAND people do as they are told, because Tyrannt based Government is against the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and The Bill of Rights, which society has fought for.
   
   You go against those documents. YOU ARE NOT An American Citizen!
   
   Are we clear?
   
   Come on- let's discuss it.

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      cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi cagsil.You are passionate about individual freedom.Bit of an anarchist are we?

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Did you want to discuss it?
         
         Do you think I am an anarchist? And if so, what makes you say that?

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            Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            The anarchist is one who believes in more freedom than you do.
            
            I mean "you" in a general sense, Cagsil, not talking about you personally.
            
            I also believe we are better off with more individual freedom instead of less, but it seems that more and more people disagree with that concept?

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               That's because people want to control other people, because they believe people are generally EVIL and it's not the case.
               
               Humans are good in nature. They can be 100% completely self-responsible. It can be done, I am a walking example.

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  ......

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            cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            NO Cags I Dont.As usual my sense of humor has missed(I am working on that).
            My SINCERE apologise...peace...
            
            
            By the way,Christ and Antichrist have no meaning to me.

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hey Cheaptrick,
               
               No problem, don't worry about it. I just want to see if that's what you thought I was? No problem.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes it is.

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         wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         No, as long as he is not breaking any laws it is not.

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed, if my thoughts and actions are honest. YOU(TK) don't have any right to tell me how to live my life.

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               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yes I do.

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            If he's not breaking any laws he's doing what society tells him.
            
            
            
            Anyway, this kind of dime-store philosophy/jr. home-made cult stuff is ultimately an exercise in meaninglessness.

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Dream on!

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Somebody's dreaming, but it's not me. Or maybe it's "10%" who are dreaming...  lol

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      wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I'm shuddering before I even start here, this subject is on my X list. As in, never discuss.
      But I'll post this & take off. I'll check back tomorrow.
      
      My point of view is that folks who are saving a life by preventing abortion could maybe make a bigger impact by using that money and effort to improve a life.
      Help set up a daycare for the little ones, sponsor after school activities for the kids who don't have a whole family in the home etc., help with food challenged families...
      
      I have the exact opinion about sponsoring a foreign child. It is a heartwarming and positive experience for sure. But why not sponsor a child from Cleveland or Detroit? Our own kids are in dire trouble right here in USA.
      Sorry if I strayed OT Ray.

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         h.a.borcichposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Very great idea Jen ! There are a lot of people who resonate the sentiment. Take care, and sorry off topic Cags

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            wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Why hello there pal. I hope you are well.
            Here we seem to find a common ground My opinions are almost certainly opposite from yours. However, we both have enough common sense

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, it was a very good point.

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Jen,
         
         Thank you for your input. I'm not worried to much about off topic, because you have a valid point. But, I would like to add to it, because I feel the need to- If a person is so worried about what other people are doing about their life, then get more active and spread knowledge- don't spread separation.

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            wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yes.
            I'm right there with you

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               As long as 'businesses' can influence the majority and can force Congressional action into Law(s). NO ONE is safe!

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         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Again, the two are obviously not mutually exclusive.

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      kateperezposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Wow,
      
      I think I agree with you.
      
      To have an abortion is currently a right of Americans.  What I don't agree with is the federal government telling me that I should give my tax dollars to allow someone else to get an abortion that is not medically necessary.
      
      I do not want the US government to mandate that I get health insurance.  I do not want the US government to tell me that I am responsible for people who should not even be in this country, and I'm offended that the federal government does not just leave us, the intelligent and prosperous American citizens and guests alone and let us do our job.  We do it much better without them, anyway.
      
      What is their purpose?  To be as you mention, tyrants?  I don't think so.  The Constitution is a short document of a couple of pages long.
      
      I totally believe that we are all much smarter than the government, and if they keep taking our dollars does that give u the right to dictate what it is used for?  Should we not, then, be llowed to be the ones telling others what to do?  I don't care.  Leave me to mine, and you cand deal with yours.  If you don't wish to pick yourself up then you should stay where you are.
      
      I believe the majority is NOT in control.  The dictators with silver tongues or so much seniority their voters don't even care anymore are.  I am the majority as are you.  Congress and the Presidency is only about 600 people or so, isn't it?  There are more Americans than that!
      
      I so agree with your concept.  Good discussion point.
      
      Kate

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         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         How can that be when we have a government of the people?

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Because it's a lack of knowledge on the people's part that has cause the problem in Washington.
            
            And...they are the one, like yourself, who are going around dictating what other people do? And, it's not your right.

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               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Before you drift back into your swiss cheese of a dime-store philosophy, I wasn't asking you.

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   sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

   Are you getting an abortion? You said you were a boy.

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      Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You think you funny.
      
      Don't confuse yourself, with that much thinking. You already know I am male, so your question is foolish and has no merit.
      
      Is there a particular reason why you asked such a foolish question?
      
      Or was it just sarcasm.
      
      Are you planning on discussing the topic or just make comments that which were just as foolish as your last comment?
      
      Please do tell.....?

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         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Your premiss for your argument is flawed on many levels. I 'll just take on the most obvious. If you think restricting people for the good of sociaty is a matter of productivity you sadly mistaken. We have rules to benefit the majority and promote a safe moral sociaty. Which you obviously benefit from because you aren't affraid of voicing your biased opinions.
         
         But, lets go with your premiss that less rules make you more productive. Will say I agree and I feel I would be more productive if I was allowed to own automatic asault weapons. I would feel safer which would relieve me of worries about my families safety. So since you don't want restrictions on your life and I don't want them on mine you'll certainly understand why I would like to ride my four-wheeler on the highway. Hell, I pay my taxes and part goes to the roads so I own a piece! If you think you can stop me, try it!

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Not at all.

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   ddsurfscaposted 15 years ago

   It seems to me that people are giving up their rights daily.  It seems like we are more interested in adding more and more laws, keeping our government in power over every part of our lives.  The rights of the individual to decide what is right or wrong for himself is getting lost.

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      wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is the concept that we need to be safe, so we should allow some rights to be taken away.
      This entire phenomenon is a result of the 9-11 attack. Terrorism has scared us into ceding our rights in trade for being safe.
      nonsense baloney.

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Security is a false concept.

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            AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            ...when anyone can walk into a subway station with a suitcase full of explosives...

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            wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Security is a false concept. and statistically a bad concept.
            You can buy the bill of rights on a metal business card type thing. When the metal detector finds it, you can say, "Here. I am handing over my rights to you. But, at least I'll be safe"

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               that's too funny
               
               But, also very scary too.

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                  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  They used to be available at aclu.org

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      Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      NOT getting lost. IS lost!

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      spiritactorposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I believe that FREEDOM of CHOICE is the target here, to keep our minds and hearts on.
      
      I agree with ddsurfsca that the individual's choice to decide what is right and wrong seems to be diminishing. However, I also know of a growing number of Americans who are shifting their conscience towards more elevated perspectives (higher conscience, as it is called)-- and I subscribe to this philosophy.  One that is "all for the one as the one is in all."  Greed, ignorance, pride, and such will always exist-- the yin-and-yang of life.
      
      So, many of you are right in saying it is up to the individual to hold Truth in their hearts, stay honest with themselves, and always look to what is Right beyond what politicians, the media, and many self-serving factions are rattling on about in our country.
      
      Don't rave at the wind, just love and cherish the Truth that's already in you. Quiet, contentment, giving, loving, is where that truth is found. That alone allows us to STAND against the wind and bend as the reed if necessary. Governments, politicians, lawyers, laws, all of the ambitions of people never last...
      
      And we all know what DOES last. Embrace it and it will never fail you. THE Truth is in us all.

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with some of what you said and I disagree with some of what you said. But, the part I disagree with isn't relevant, so I'll not address here in this thread.

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   wyanjenposted 15 years ago

   Phew. My first post about abortion. Thanks for not crucifying me, it is WAY WAY too sensitive for me. I should never post about it.
   
   
   Take good care all, I'm off to bed.
   
   Later gaters

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      Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Bye Jen. Sleep well.

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   C.J. Wrightposted 15 years ago

   the only way society at large has no claim on you is if you make yourself completely unavailable to society at large. An anarchist can not live in a vaccuum. He must exist in a society that has rules, rules the anarchist finds too constraining. If the anarchist removes himself from society, he is no longer an anarchist, but an isolationist...a recluse.

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   mistywildposted 15 years ago

   I live my life how I live my life, if that pisses the goverment off then so be it, they get a big middle finger from me anyways. Cagsil the things you listed are our choices as individuals and should not be used to determine if you are a good American or a bad American.

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      Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      But, if your choices are being limited aren't you going to fight back or are you going to let them take your choices away?
      
      I await your reply.

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         mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         you should know I will fight back with all I have in me. Or move to Canada

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            That is my point. Now- it's the majority of the people, who are influenced by 'business', which is carving up the country and separating the citizens, so they can more easily conquer or dominate, for their own agenda.
            
            My argument is based on individual rights. In AMERICA - the rights of an individual are weighed against what's IN the best interest of society, as a whole.
            
            This thinking is stripping individual choice. The primary two rights you have as a citizen- The Right to Life and The Right of Choice.
            
            These are being stripped away, because the majority wants more control.

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               mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               this is something that should not be a choice, last time I checked we were a free country, screw the majority, I want what I want, period.

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                  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  This is a problem. It's getting worse. Prime example- look back in this thread and you will see someone specifically TELL ME that they had the right to tell me how to live my life?
                  
                  How pathetic is that?

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                     mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     pretty damn pathetic, no one should tell anyone how they should live, it's not their life, their choices etc, so screw 'em.

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                        Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        But, if the government is on their side, with the thinking, what's best for society....then how are citizens suppose to defend themselves on their rights?
                        
                        Business + Government + Majority = LOSS of Individual Rights!

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                           mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           I just want to live my little ol' life how I please, the majority can have a fun time kissing my arse.

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                        tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Of course they should. You want them to. You depend on it.

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                           Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           How would you know?

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                              tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Because I am a member of society.

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                     tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Not pathetic, just true. Don't be scared of the concept, just wary of the scope.

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                        Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        You're sad.

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                           tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           No, feelin' pretty good, thanks.

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Fight back against what?

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               If you don't know, I'm not about to try to explain it to you, because you're too narrow-minded, to think straight in the first place.
               
               Secondly, you've already told me your side- YOU want to control my life. And, that isn't going to happen. Rest assured on that.

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  That's a convenient evasion, but I wasn't asking you anyway.

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I am quite assured that it is happening, has been happening, and will continue to happen whether you like it or not.
                  
                  
                  
                  There's always the island...

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