How do you convince someone that they are not destined to be LGBT?

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   taburkettposted 11 years ago

   How do you convince someone that they are not destined to be LGBT?
   
   As a young executive, I counseled individuals in the past and promoted them into moral society by consistently stating the truth about the mental affliction.  Emotional outbursts continue to support the education of LGBT as a normal moral event.  However, in recent years, the growing immoral structure within society and government corruptive actions have made it almost impossible to correct the afflicted in current society.  Do you believe the drug decades have contributed to this dilemma?

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   dashingscorpioposted 11 years ago

   Honestly I don't recall anyone "convincing" me that I was straight. In fact I never remember "choosing" to be attracted women. It came about (naturally) for me.
   I don't think it's possible to convince someone they are NOT attracted to whomever. I think to attempt to do so would be a waste of time and energy. My tendency is to focus on my own life.
   Life is a (personal) journey.
   My belief is we are seeing more gays "come out" because each generation has always been more tolerant than previous generations when it comes to (personal) freedoms. What is "controversial" today will not be anything worth talking about fifty years from now.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your insight.  I also believe that life is a personal journey. There are many influences such as "convincing" youngsters that it is acceptable to be immoral.  As each generation expands such activity the world becomes more violent place.

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      fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      knock, knock.,Hello?? ."convincing youngsters that it is acceptable to be immoral?"   Don't you mean, "teaching youngsters it is immoral to be a bigot?"  You dare NOT equate sexual identity to violence?   IGNORANCE creates violence.  again, HELLO?

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      personal pandering by immoral individuals always leads to distribution of untruth. this is their attempt to convey immoral activity as moral. abnormal can never be normal, therefore, by speaking the truth the individual cannot be a bigot. truth wins.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't know that loving another being was immoral. Any expression of love should be celebrated in this dark world we live in.

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      ImKarn23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If 'life is a personal journey' Taburkett - YOU got a LOOOOOOOONG way to go...

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      truth has always been the best "personal journey". through it the individual lives beautifully without turbulence. those who create the turbulence support the untruth and so venture to claim immoral as moral. denial is a mental affliction of many

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   Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago

   I find that very intriguing. Sexual preference and who we love are moral issues?? That reminds me of the "moral majority". I get it if you are references "societal more's" but not in any other norm.
   
   I suppose there are those that think they know morality above others. Often we call them Judges and Preachers. But then we listen and we hear them spout off "laws" that they claim direct their decisions of morality. Morality comes from seeking the right direction, rules and laws, may help us in our journey, but they are not sacrosanct for guidance, they are suggestions.
   
   All of my adult children and many parishioners have asked me questions on this issue, for themselves and/or each other or others.
   The rule is simple; We lead and convince by our actions. If others are attracted to us due to our results from our actions, then our path and our morals may be good for them.
   
   Put it this way: Perhaps the question is better framed "should you be convinced by another that you are not destined to be LGBT?" And if so, should it be by their words or by their deeds?

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you speak of convincing - yet you seem to also convey that the immoral propaganda used to influence the youngster is permissible. moral issues arise daily and so words and deeds directly convey morals of the individual. immoral breeds more immoral.

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      fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      We can only HOPE you have done NO BREEDING!!

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      moral will always breed - because moral truth can never be stopped. it possesses the power of fact not fiction. however, the immoral untruths will always fade away.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I am quite sorry if this bothers someone, but this sounds like Nietzsche who was used by Hitler -- nits make lice.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thumbs up to Erikdierker!

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      when confronted with truth-the destroyer of moral always spews inappropriate comments in an attempt to win favor. corrupt politicians today use this same technique to justify social morphing into immoral activity. so the immoral board the same wagon

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   Attikosposted 11 years ago

   Hmmm ... pretty girls, out to convince me I'm not homosexual ... I've never tried that one. Think it'd work?

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      fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      attikos...oh my,  "counseling? moral society? MENTAL AFFLICTIONS? Immoral structure?"...Pull-ease...tell me I am hallucinating! Who ARE these aliens of such ignorance?Yeah, obviously the "drug decades," contributes to HIS dilemma.  Somebody slap him.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      no pretty girls required.  but common sense and the acceptance of truth is.

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      Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure it'd be safe to date a counselor, fpherj48. She'd be too insightful. Or inciteful. Or something like that. Err ... do you happen to have an answer to my question, though? It's just idle curiosity, you understand, nothing that matters.

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      fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      attikos..OH, you're right.  I should answer your question.  "pretty" isn't all it's cracked up to be, unless it's a BONUS, in a smart, talented, hard-working, personable woman.  and from experience, I can guarantee you, the same goes for pretty MEN!

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      Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I have in mind testing this. Sharing drink with pretty girl at bar: "I can't, I'm too embarrassed."
      "You can tell me."
      "I think ... (sob) ... I may be gay."
      Three hours later: "You're definitely not gay."
      "I'm not sure. We better run another test."

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      personal affliction is very difficult to overcome especially when it is forged within mental incapacity of the afflicted. until the mentally afflicted recognize their affliction it will never be corrected. self-infliction is a very serious matter

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      Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It's starting to dawn on me I have to try harder. I'm not sure my message is getting across.

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   Sri Tposted 11 years ago

   Ultimately, people will do whatever they want. Everybody should all have the same rights by law. But the miracle is gays have convinced the society that being gay is normal. To see two men kissing seems a little strange to me. I just don't get it. Then to see two men adopting children is another interesting situation. What kind of role models will the children follow? Will they be straight without a heterosexual role model or will they copy what they see in the home? What kind of conditioning will they receive? In the end, I guess if everybody is happy, it really doesn't matter. It's a new world. It may be difficult for some people to adjust to it and see it as the new normal.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      there is nothing normal about abnormal.  so acceptance of the abnormal requires rejecting truth. there is not a new world, but a growing destruction of moral society.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      To quote more points that have already been made: a straight couple having a kid that prefers the same gender didn't seem to sway the preference of the kid. So why should a gay couple? gay parents might condition their child to be accepting of all

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Because children are too young to know the difference. That is the point of conditioning. Children mirror what they see without knowing what it is. They are trained into roles.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If children are trained into roles then how do so many straight parents keep producing gay kids? you've obviously not been around a lot of gay people. I have and they were mistreated mercilessly by others as kids for being different. Choice? Not!

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You may be right. Either the parents fail in the training or there is a psychological or biological problem there. It still does not make it normal. Retardation can happen too. We don't just flow with it. It requires attention.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      a child is mentally trained by the people that surround them. if they are surrounded by immoral people they are more likely to be immoral. choice is an individual action - so, the individual that is mentally afflicted cannot make a moral choice.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      comparing retardation? really? Yeah, we do protect the rights of those with retardation - and my down syndrome cousin is gay - guess what he gets more flack for? Ignorance is abundant wow. and no, his parents weren't "immoral" he is what he is.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you are correct that ultimately people will do what they want. but how do you support morals when confronted by immoral supporters? some run and hide because the radicals will rise against them and many moral individuals will not aid them in truth.

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Its not ignorance actually, both have psychological or biological factors. You said yourself its not conditioned. At least thats your opinion. I don't know if you have thoroughly studied conditioning.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       down syndrome is a genetic disability that renders the infected individual incapable of cognitive ability. someone with this affliction is incapable of identifying immoral activity. therefore, they are more at risk than the cognitive individuals.

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Oh how ignorant TA and Sri were!  And placing themselves in the position of counselling others.  I wonder if they ever changed.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 11 years ago

   There is nothing morally wrong with being gay anymore than there is anything morally wrong with having red hair. Homosexuality exists in nature and has existed for long before it became an issue in the United States. The reason people didn't hear about it earlier in this nation's history is because people kept it a secret for fear of the backlash. Only recently have we developed a society where people can feel comfortable coming out of the closet. No one should ever feel ashamed of something that is outside of their control and a loving homosexual couple is infinitely more responsible and moral than an abusive or bigoted heterosexual couple. I'm not saying that every gay couple is the perfect model of morality, but I'm saying that they have the same potential to be good as any straight person. And that's the basis of the entire debate; they are equal to us in every sense of the word, with the same potential for good and bad. They only ask to be treated fairly.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "outside of their control" is an exaggeration when focusing on the truth. gay is a choice - much like being a criminal.  the difference is that it primarily hurts those who made the choice. when one chooses a path of immoral they create inequality

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Tabukett - please provide the proof that being gay is a choice. And even if it is a choice, why should it be any one's choice but theirs to make?

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Funny - I don't remember "deciding' whether to like boys or girls - I just suddenly developed a crush on a boy at about 12 years old. Who on earth would "choose" to be gay with all the hatred and violence they face? your logic fails here for sure.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      all the cool kids are doing it

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      humans at the top of the food chain continue to deny truth because they wish to destroy the society. mental affliction is the culprit that many in society refuse to accept as the breeder. truth requires correct focus and distribution not denial

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So...being gay is a social experiment? people wanting to be with their own gender want to see if they can bring down society? then what?

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      while everything chosen by man is considered a personal path-the individual must choose wisely & make sensible decisions &judgments on the basis of personal knowledge and experience. the pillar and foundation is acknowledging and transferring

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Many people have "chosen" to be gay and have later became straight again. Gay is a choice or it is conditioned by others. In some cases by sex abuse of children. No one knows what sex is at the start of life. Someone has to tell you or show you.

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      M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There is scientific evidence to support homosexuality as a trait one is born with. And if you don't consider science as part of reality then this isn't a debate, it's just prejudice.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       scientists have suggested an epigenetic change in genes passed to the individual from the parent of opposite sex. however, no conclusive evidence has been validated. a person who believes they are LGBT & then reverses-  proves the mental afflicti

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       Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Your, "There is scientific evidence to support " is the same as .... advertisers who say 4 out 5 Doctors said... You are deluded if you think they are all born that way.

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       M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       A person who reverses their sexual orientation is either bisexual or lying. Why would anyone commit suicide rather than just changing their minds, if it's so easy? And '4 out of 5 doctors' is the basis of science. An educated guess based on evidence.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       sexual orientation is a psychology term invented to separate normal and abnormal sexual attitudes. each individual must personally determine their own sexual attitude. they may change their personal attitude anytime based on knowledge advancement.

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Well, we know what IS a choice - who we CHOOSE to hate! Though you know, isn't hate and anger a tool of the devil? If you're going to use the way of God as an argument, we might as well use the Devil too

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       M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Nobody thinks about psychology when they are attracted to someone. It's imbedded in our core; we love who we love because it feels right. It's using words like 'abnormal' and 'immoral' that hurts perfectly good people.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Why do perfectly good people fear words like 'abnormal' and 'immoral' when speaking the truth? Is it that they want to change abnormal and immoral to be considered normal and moral? Decisions made using false definitions are not TRUTH.

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       M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       And saying TRUTH over and over again doesn't make your arguments true.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       when individuals work with the truth, those who disagree cannot counter it. all they can do is disagree. science is considered a wonderful thing. but when it is used through bias it does not represent truth. that is why truth will always win.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yet my truth is that I am gay.  Your truth is that you don't like it much, and think it's an affliction.  Now if we could all just agree 2 disagree, + get on with worrying about our own lives, + not those of others we don't know - we'd all be happier

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       jlpark - you have just qualified my question. I agree that you can disagree. But, I do not agree that I should not assist those who seek it. You have made your choice so you will go your way regardless of truth. Others seek me and I will assist them

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   IDONOposted 11 years ago

   Do all of you morality people realize that you are sentencing gay people to hell? Who do you think you are? Gay people and gay relationships are a fact of life that you have no choice but to accept. If not, then shut up about it.
        You insist that gay marriage is immoral and a sin. Well, so is pre-marital sex, right? So, where does that leave them? If you tell me that pro-creation crap, I will tell you that all heterosexual marriages are doomed for divorce, which by the way, according to the bible, is also immoral.
        These people are not bad, sinful people. They are just different from you and live by a different set of morals than you do. They are no more wrong than you are right.
        If there is any convincing to be done, you should convince yourself that there is only one judge and it is not you. Your question and intent are selfish, at best and you should allow people to be who they are. Selfishness and closed-mindedness is much more an affliction and immorality.
   While they are searching for what makes them happy, in their own way, you are angry and miserable because they wish not to do things "your way" according to "your beliefs" and "your set of morals." By the way, I'm straight.
   
       LEAVE THEM ALONE TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS!

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      first of all - no one is sentencing them to HELL. they are doing that all by themselves. having worked with some confused individuals, I was just wondering if others had some plan for assisting them. I am not miserable-for I live a truthful life.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't understand the inability people have to leave others alone. No gay people are forcing straight people to marry them, there is no "gay agenda" other than wanting to be equal. The bigotry gets tiresome.

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      fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      taburkett....How DARE you. Speaking of HELL...WHO the HELL do you think you are?  You live a truthful life?  Good..here are some truths for you: You are ignorant. UN-Christian, rude & obnoxious. Self-righteous idiots are a waste of air & spac

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      as usual, the incapable delve directly into personal slander when confronted with truth. when one lives by the truth, the personal slander always arises because those who oppose the reality have no truth to relay.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      IDONO - I agree! The beauty of a rainbow is all its colors! Why can't we accept the rainbow of humanity and enjoy all the diversity? Celebrate love where it exists!

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      ImKarn23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The only one who needs 'ASSISTANCE' is YOU, taburkett. I suggest you get it ASAP. I also suggest that your rant is more indicative of your battle with your own latent homosexuality..which is clearly raging...
      LOL...you are a joke, my little executive

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      as usual, the lame comments erupt into blatant personal attacks against those who have spoken the truth. this is not uncommon from those who refuse to accept the truth about the subject. the typical malcontented immoral society members refuse truth

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I ask again - WHOSE TRUTH? You and I and ChristinS and fpherj48 and SriT and Obama and tom Cruise and every other being in this world live in different realities and experience different truths. Believe what you want, but don't impose it on others

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      IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are sentencing them to hell by stating that they have no way to heaven because they are living an immoral life of nothing but sin. What do you call that? The ultimate sin is putting yourself and your judgement on an equal plain with God's.

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You sentenced them to hell by stating their life is sinful and immoral. What is immoral is putting your judgment on the same plain with God's or using  outrageous judgments for the purpose of getting more hits on Hubpages. And that is the truth.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       IDONO-you seem to have me confused with GOD. I have sentenced no one. they are fully responsible for themselves. I am simply a transporter for GOD's righteousness. Mentoring those who wish to gain wisdom and insight. Truth will always win.

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You are the transporter of your own self-righteousness, not God's. God taught me to not judge and to love all for what they are. Not what I want them to be. You promote. Your truth is the only truth. You are chosen. You are delusional. Get help.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       IDONO-you state "God taught me to not judge" and then you state "You are delusional. Get help" so in your own statement you disprove your statement. Truth will always win.

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   ChristinSposted 11 years ago

   When people wrap their bigotry and ignorance in religion or their perceived superior "morality", it doesn't make it any less offensive.
   
   Don't like gay marriage? Fine, marry a woman and be happily married to her. I am straight and I and my husband in no way feel threatened by gay people being married. Just because you think it's "icky" doesn't make them any less decent.
   
   Most religious people that bash gay people on religious grounds are not Christ like at all, merely loudmouths pushing their own agenda of hate and intolerance. Nowhere in the bible does Jesus talk about homosexuals.
   
   You can't even recognize the hypocrisy of saying you don't want their "agenda" forced on you - yet you come in with your own agenda of trying to change them.  Other people's lives are for them to live - not you.
   
   Who do you think you are to state that being gay is a mental affliction? According to the APA "Lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality."  These are medical professionals - not you. I grow weary of holier than thou types trying to change people who aren't like them. Why do you feel a need to interfere in their lives? Do you want them to interfere in yours? obviously not - so why is it ok for you?
   
   People with your attitude baffle me.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      the reason "people like me" baffle you is that we do not resort to bigotry but live by exchange of the truth.  We do not interfere, but assist others who reach out to us. We avert the immoral acceptance by speaking the truth. It is morally good.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you can spin it any way you want, but it is bigotry when you presume to tell others they have a mental affliction and they do not. "Moral" people don't go around judging others, they get the splinters out of their own eyes first.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I do not spin.  I do not tell others they have a problem.  They come to me with their problem.  I presume nothing. I recognize the truth. I accept the truth. I convey the truth. I fix the problem. It is a mental affliction and can be repaired.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Where did you get your medical degree? I'd like to see your scientific journal studies that prove it is a mental affliction seeing as how the APA says it isn't.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      bigotry is the hating of a person for being different from yourself. And how can you say you are "exchanging truth" when you haven't got anything to back you up. Who's truth? Maybe your reality, but there are 7 billion realities in this world

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      the APA considers LGBT as a grand challenge for them in society. the members believe getting moral people to accept immoral activity to be their major chore. this does not present a truthful or credible venue. the baffle continues with experience

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      ImKarn23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Taburkett - do you any idea who often you use the word moral? Mayhap you should google 'OBSESSION' and 'LATENT HOMOSEXUAL'. i see you COMING OUT of the closet in no time at all...
      lol

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      so your morally superior opinion trumps the medical opinion of the APA huh? Interesting how one can be so self-important and call themselves a speaker of "truth".

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If gay is normal what is the point of having a male and a female? What is the point of procreation? That's where your argument falls apart. Can men have kids by conception from each other? Can  women? That's what makes it abnormal. Thats not bigotry

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       but it is not every person's moral obligation to produce children. Not being able to produce them due to ailment, genetics, gender partnership or whatever else does not make someone immoral

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       ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think we have a population problem and homosexuality does occur naturally in other species. Just because something is "different' or unusual doesn't make it "abnormal". I guess postmenopausal women can't marry then according to your logic?

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       when people continue to deny the truth, they destroy society. through denial many individuals continue to render immoral as moral claiming discrimination. however, it is actually discrimination against the moral society. truth wins.

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       ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yes TA truth is winning - just not your narrow minded version of it. The "truth" is oppression always ends. We ended slavery, women got the vote and now the LGBT people are being treated more fairly. Evolution - it's a good thing!

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       Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       A male and a female may not have children but they are in alignment with nature's intent if they are straight. Homosexuality is not in alignment with nature's intent because they cannot procreate by nature which means its not natural.

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If we want to go by what's "natural" how about all the crops that are genetically altered? What about the medicines we create? What about the houses we build, the computer's we're on right now - what about any of those luxuries is natural?

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       Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Those are tools that help make life more comfortable. Nothing wrong with improving living standards. That is completely different.

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe being with the person one loves regardless of their physical being is also something of comfort

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       like a seducer the immoral claim comfort for their support. but many times they fail to identify the discomfort that also arises. this truth is never bannered because it would not support the immoral expansion. it is hidden from those who must choose

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       TP no "intervention" has ever gotten the gay out of anyone, clinical fact.
       They have managed to cause a few to lead empty loveless lives of self loathing that is their only claim to success.
       Very sad when you think about it.

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       How can someone be so offensive in a question of morality, yet so defensive in their own bigotry? When someone thinks they are right, and everyone else is wrong, it's not immorality, it's insanity. Taburk- Take your own personal inventory. Baffled?

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Borsia-clinical-a manmade argument based on biased reasoning. the spirit on the other hand is self-motivation that can overcome any immoral deviation when used wisely by the individual. most clinics refuse to accept the spirit so they always fail

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   ThompsonPenposted 11 years ago

   I live in Washington, and this weekend in Seattle is Pride weekend, and in two weeks is my hometown's Pride weekend.
   Pride is about standing up and being who you are, and supporting people in being who they are. Pride is about love, and freedom of expressing love. I have more friends going to these celebrations than I can count - and I am so lucky to have them in my life because they are true beacons of beauty. Not all of them are LGBT. Some are just your average joe's, and they smile just same as any other person in those crowds.
   This week has been something worth celebrating - with Cali's marriage rulings. Why should there be restrictions stating that one consenting adult can or cannot marry another?
   If we're going to go by arguments backed up by the bible, I would love to point out that Jesus preached love and acceptance. Jesus was love. God is love.
   Being gay is not a choice. I would love to find SCIENTIFIC evidence which supports this.
   Gay parents won't teach their children anything different. Having straight parents didn't make them straight, after all! However, gay parents might just teach a little bit more about acceptance.
   At the end of the day, why does it matter what happens behind closed doors between two consenting adults? How can it offend anyone or have any direct effect of it?
   If people are so offended by love between two people of the same gender, then perhaps they should look at their own lives and see what is so upsetting to them that they feel the need to lash out at someone else's happiness.
   As far as "immoral truths fading away" - homosexuality is seen all over the world, all over history and all over the living kingdoms. Dolphins, cats, chimps, pigs - all have cases of homosexuality in their history. It was very common in ancient Greece for homosexuality to occur. And shall we look at the Priests in the Catholic church (not all, but the cases that have been unearthed) - amongst men meant to be holy?
   To those of you fighting for equality of humanity - keep fighting the good fight! Love will triumph!

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree 100% - why should it matter to anyone else? I am proud to have friends in the LGBT community and I will stand with them until they are treated as the equal human beings they are. A tide is turning - thankfully in the proper direction

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Just because people do it doesn't make it right. You brought up animals. There are people who support zoophilia throughout history. Is that normal? They say it's all love too. They say you are a bigot if you are against it.

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      taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      while many people chime pride, they do so by supporting immoral activity. therefore, they fail to acknowledge the truth. failing to acknowledge the truth then destroys the society.  but you still have not answered the question.

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      ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If it isn't right for you, that's fine don't engage in it. Why should what two other consenting adults do effect you Sri? It doesn't.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Love. Any action that is taken against love is taken against God. Any rule or stricture or scripture that is interpreted against love is against God.
      Yes perhaps each case requires our inspection. But a hetero marriage without love is an abomination.

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I personally don't care what the adults do. But it's not good to see children conditioned into that lifestyle when they can't see the trouble that is ahead of them. I have seen people putting dresses on little boys. You don't think thats a problem?

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sri T I believe I said between two consenting adults. and children are not programmed by gay parents any more than children are by straight parents. Taburkett, if love is immoral, then may I burn!

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      Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It is the parents responsibility to teach their kids about sexuality. Some choose not to. What would a gay parent teach? I think you understand now.

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      ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You're concerned they wouldn't teach sex ed? That they would leave out the science of how a baby is made? They're gay, not dumb. When a kid asks where babies come from, it's a bit out-dated to say the stork brings them

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       Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       No. The point is would they teach them sexuality between a male and a female, or gay? I hope you don't say both because then you will confuse the kids. It's better to teach them to have a natural, normal lifestyle.

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Having had to deal with society's struggles their entire life, I think they would teach them to be who they are.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sri - gay is not synonymous with stupid. I know exactly how a child is made, + heterosexual sex. I am gay. I will b teaching my kids sex ed at the right time, covering ALL topics. Yet there r many str8 parents 2 scared 2 talk abt sex, let alone gay.

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       Sri Tposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I never said gays are stupid. I'm glad you responded. You answered my question perfectly. Now maybe they will see my point.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       justification is always attempted by including the moral activity teachings. however, this presents a further problem for the untrained as they emphasize immoral as moral to gain the justification. when confronted with truth, justifier rebukes it.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Tab - lucky I'm trained + work as a nurse then - I know the truth, I know the info they need to know. So, I'll tell them, without emphasis on any1 sexuality, but covering it all. Emphasis solely on safety - personal + emotional. Whats yr training in?

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       JLPARK-training based on truth. Not modified. No PC used when dealing with abnormal and immoral. You see, when dealing in truth, no need to place emphasis on any 1 sexuality. Through truth, all is safe+personal+an instructive  conscious experience

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    Borsiaposted 11 years ago

    Your ignorance of the subject is astounding.
    Ask the mother of a LGBT when they "knew" and most will tell you that they picked up on it long before the child did.
    Likewise a child raised by a LGBT couple is no more likely to become LGBT than a child from a straight family or visa-versa.
    There is now a growing belief that the PH conditions of the embryonic fluid may have an influence but it is, as yet, unproven.
    As for the drug part there is no greater percentage of LGBT children from adults who used drugs than those who drank alcohol or those who abstained from all outside stimulants.
    Seriously study some real research from accredited institutions rather than religious entities. This is a very well studied subject but education is only effective to open minds.
    BTW; no group has ever had any success in "reprogramming" or praying the gay away and have done far more harm than good.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       it is also known that children of a single parent family are more likely to be. thanks for the name calling it makes a great point - exactly like all other ridiculous banter. the question is not theory or research it is plainly mentoring.

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       ThompsonPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       ...I am a child if a single parent family, and I am no different than any one else, which is kind of proving Borsia's point that you are spouting out things as if they are fact when it's just your belief. There's a huge difference

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       as usual when truth is emitted, the slander begins. all individuals desire & so must secure their inner spirit. some choose moral while others choose immoral. both are influenced by others who support those ways. path to righteousness is moral tr

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I've not been able to find any study that shows single parent children are any more likely to become gay. They are more likely to be sexually abused, and abused in general for that matter.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       the reason there are no research papers on the web is due to the lawsuits still pending on 4 papers. the lawyers for LGBT claim prejudice in conjunction with those. but those same lawyers claim no prejudice occurs when researchers are gay. truth wins

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    Justsilvieposted 11 years ago

    Drugs just like homosexuality have been around as long as we have, so it does not makes sense to blame them for the ills of society.
    
    I would be more apt to think those who think it is their job to dictate THEIR morality on others are the major problem on this planet and if you look back in history I may just be on the right track.

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       Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Justsilvie, well spoken. By golly you are on to something. I will try to be more cognitive in this regard. Because these things always start with us.

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You are on track. From Hubpages to religious wars, it's all about personal decisions and trying to control the decisions of others. I believe pointing the finger at others is a display of insecurity in ones own personal decisions. Deflection if uwill

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       no one is being a dictator-but many immoral individuals do wish to model their attacks on morality as such. the major problem on this planet is the teaching of immoral activity as moral. declaring immoral as moral is not truthful. truth will prevail

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       Justsilvieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Taburcket, I would say your morality is subjective.You insist that homosexuality is an illness but at the same time condemn the person afflicted as being corrupt. Would you say the same of a person who has cancer or is bipolar?

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       my question is how you help the afflicted. I help them all the time. the society is being ruined by not fixing the problem. in essence this is the same as accepting any other affliction by not seeking a solution. I condemn none. those are your words

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       Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If the afflicted (any affliction, behavioral or otherwise) does not want your help, you don't. If he does, you may try any treatment you like, he accepts, and the law doesn't forbid. He has a right to be left alone, though. You must not breach it.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       amplification of immoral acts does destroy the society. each subsequent layer of immoral activity leads to further degradation that leads to full destruction. providing truth about immoral acts to those seeking it is no different than any other help

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    jlparkposted 11 years ago

    Firstly - predicting or defining destiny is not your job. If you are a believer - then it is the job of God, Allah, Buddha, etc.  Never has destiny, if one believes in such a thing, be the job of man.
    
    Secondly - your qualifications.  I'm curious, and would genuinely like to know - exactly what are they? There must be something that qualifies you to counsel people on matters like this.  Which university did you gain it from? I ask from a purely professional level - to be treating people for 'afflictions' or counselling someone, one usually needs to be registered with their governing body - be it a Medical council, Psychologist council, Nursing council. Otherwise, one may be practicing illegally.
    
    However, if it is that you counsel people as a matter of part of your job, say as a Pastor, or Church elder - can I ask what training you have had? Again, I ask from a professional level, as I am also trained in the helping professions.
    
    To answer your question - How do You Convince someone that they are not destined to be LGBT? You don't.
    
    If they aren't - they'll come to that conclusion all by themselves. If you aren't attracted to the same gender, you can't make yourself be attracted to them. Try it yourself - find a hunky man you know of, and try to make yourself attracted sexually to him.  Can't do it? Neither can anyone who isn't gay.  If they are gay, it's just as difficult to make one's self attracted to the opposite gender sexually - it doesn't happen. (Bisexuals are best explained by bisexuals - I cannot claim to explain them well).
    
    I'd like to know if you ever followed up on your 'success' stories - are they still in 'moral society'? It would be remiss of you if you had not.  I'd like to know how they are going.
    
    Tab - I'm not trying to be 'gah, stop picking on the gays" here - I'm trying to approach you in a professional manner. I would appreciate it if you approach your comments to me in the same way.  I ask these questions only because I wish to know, I do not wish to fight with you on this, as I know exactly where that would get us - nowhere.
    
    A civil discussion would be nice.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I was trained by the very government that is now reversing all the moral attitudes by supporting immoral bigotry through judges who now devote all their time to an immoral one-sided set of justice rules. therefore, the morals are being destroyed.

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       Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If you want a civil discussion, send the leftists to training school before letting them have posting licenses.  K-9 Kollege might give you a volume discount.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Still kind of avoiding directly answering my question. But hey. Thanks for answering all the same

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    taburkettposted 11 years ago

    My background is always questioned because I refuse to support any community that uses propaganda and mind-bending psychological means. I do not practice as JLPark insinuates. I do not seek out individuals who may be gay. Somehow, those individuals who are seeking guidance find me in this crazy offensive world. I asked this question in an effort to determine who among the masses may have further insight into helping those who are in agony over the immoral agendas being jousted about as a moral attitude. In every case over the last 40+ years of befriending individuals in my social circle, I have worked with individuals who were unsure where their sexual prowess came from or where it was destined to take them. Some experimented as youngsters, in high school, in college, and even in their careers in an attempt to find some solace. however, most still were not sure just where their love would be found. as a mentor and friend, I do not judge, nor do I attack. for my friends, I simply assisted them in finding the truth about morals. through use of this truth-they discovered for themselves a moral path for their life. those that chose the moral path still do so. those that chose to remain immoral did so and quickly stopped being my friend because they could not remain within the moral truth circle of friends. society barriers come in all shapes and sizes, and the choice to be gay is one of those where the individual must truly seek their own justice. however, with the mounting support of many who do not seek the truth, the mind-bending propaganda continues to sway them into the immoral activities. as a God loving individual, I continue to speak the truth within my circles because I can assist others by doing so.
    for those of you who disagree, it is your choice and under man's government law it is your right. but if you are a God loving Christian, then you must understand that this law is man-made and therefore, not of the Spirit. 
    Timothy 1:8-10 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
    Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it
    TRUTH.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I was not insinuating anything that could not have been deduced from your question - u come across as though u practice. Thanks for answering though

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    Billie Kelpinposted 11 years ago

    the same way that you would convince me not to love the color blue

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       funny you should use that comparison - you see - I am color blind. That is why I can assist all individuals, because I do not let a foolish color code or national origin or PC keep me from the truth.

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       Billie Kelpinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       say what? Surely a color-blind person can understand the analogy and extrapolate!  And that inability is precisely why this question was asked in the first place.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       while you describe extrapolation, your analogy is the same as all who wish to circumvent the truth. those are the ones who change all subject matter in an attempt to prove immoral as moral and abnormal as normal. but truth will never be made this way

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       Billie Kelpinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You'll have to excuse me for posting that comment because I try never to be unkind.  I'm sorry.

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Billie, no need for apology. it is not wrong to love. it is wrong to focus love in immoral and abnormal circumstances. When society is enamored with false teachings, moral society is destroyed. Moral individuals must fight against such destruction.

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