Should we "End the IRS Before It Ends Us"? Can you find one reason not to end the IRS?
The book, End the IRS Before It Ends Us, is not about taxation. It is about liberty. Grover Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform, shows how the IRS taxes not only our incomes but our freedoms as well. He explains how a core group of leftists have taken over the agency and made it a modified Robin Hood raiding party, stealing from the rich....but giving the proceeds to make government -- not the poor -- richer. Is he right? Or is he just a right wing extremist? If we were to end the IRS what should it be replaced with?
Whoa, I don't even know where to start to answer this question.
The IRS is corrupt and has far too much power. They can litteraly destroy any individual, company, or corporation they choose with the stroke of a pen. With the IRS, everyone is guilty until they prove themselves innocent, and even then they may not reverse their decision.
Our tax codes have grown to the point that almost nobody understands all of the tax laws included in this huge book. Very few individuals can prepare their own tax returns without paying some tax preparation agency to help them. Now that they are in charge of our healthcare system this agency has grown in size to unbelievable proportions.
I would be in favor of a National Sales Tax where everyone pays their taxes when they spend a buck. No deductions and even prostitutes and drug dealers would pay their taxes when they spend their money. No tax returns to file and no tax returns to issue would eliminate the need for thousands of IRS employees.
Some argue that this would force every merchant to become a tax collector. Guess what, they already are if they are running a legal business. I truly believe this system would bring in even more money than the current system because everyone would pay taxes instead of just the 50% whom currently pay.
This system would give the IRS far more money for the government to waste, steal, and give away to countries that hate us.
We have to ask outselves why they are so desparate to hold onto the bad system we have now when their are many better alternatives. I suspect it is because they would lose the current power and total control they currently enjoy.
What a GREAT question. Normally, I would back off a question like this (depending upon the individuals involved in the discussion)...but with Lisa having not a single problem admitting to being "left wing commie, socialist bleeding heart liberal." I believe I'm safe sharing my feelings as an ordinary American citizen, boring and mundane as I may be.
For as far back as I can recall I have wished for the IRS to disappear.....go...close up shop....just go "Poof!" At the risk of sounding like a Liberatarian.....(I am registered Independent for years)...I believe the "Fair Tax" (flat tax?), in part or in whole, a tweak here and there is the very best way for us to go. (There is always the chance I'm not as knowledgeable on this as I think I see it, but I'm always in favor of things that make sense and in the end, satisfy the needs of both the American people and the Country.)
We should take home what we earn. Simple. EVERYTHING else is taxed & over-taxed anyway. Every purchase we make, our air, water, clothing, autos, fuels, utilities, properties, entertainment, schools highway tolls, travel......and I could be very wrong, but the more money people have in hand.....the more they spend, which improves the economy.
Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, but hey.....you asked. I didn't even get into the IRS undeserved & overwhelming POWER, their corruption and their million dollar parties while we sit home rolling quarters. I figure we don't have all day to discuss this..............Peace, Paula
I live in Texas. We have no state income tax. Instead, we pay higher property taxes (except on our primary residence) and sales taxes. It works, and we don't have to fill out a bunch of forms, or worry about random revenge audits.
I had one audit in my life. Literally, I "barely" lived through it. Ultimately, I was squeaky clean of course, but the process? How can I say this...I'd prefer to deliver triplets with no anesthesia! or stick needles in my eyes!
Yes, several states have no income tax, even the US had none before 1913. Let's get rid if it! Problem is you'd have to nullify the illegitimate national debt first. Almost half a trillion a year of fed income tax goes to pay interest to the bankers.
Paula, while you are delivering triplets illegal immigrants are getting rich on this Massive Tax Loophole! the IRS cares nothing about, a loophole that steals billions of our tax dollars. Watch & weep http://videos2view.net/tax-fraud.htm
Yes, we should end the IRS before it ends us. We need to keep in mind that there was no income tax before 1913 (other than two years during the Civil War to support the war only) and the country was doing much better without it.
It’s a fallacy that income tax is needed to run the country - it ran just fine without it for over 100 years. The real purpose of the income tax is to maintain control of society and business with the help of all the tax breaks, credits, deductions and loopholes which act as guidance; and to pay the interest on the national debt.
The only reason (not a good one) to not end the IRS is that you'd have to take the Federal Reserve down with it. The symbiotic relationship between IRS and the Fed is explained in my hub about the Federal Reserve. (It’s no coincidence that the income tax and the Fed were started in the same year.)
Absolutely, the federal reserve is a problem, thanks for pointing that out, a gold based currency could fix that. You should have linked your hub so I will. http://alittletruth.hubpages.com/hub/Fe … in-History
Until the IRS cleans up it's own act, little will change. With many of their own employees "being above the law in not paying their taxes and still holding jobs in the IRS how will things change? With legislators who don't get the inequities of the tax code, what will change?
The middle class get taxed to death, literally ! The low end of the socioeconomic groups pay no taxes, but get welfare, free medical and food stamps. The wealthy get tax exemptions. So, how does the middle class feel, with the taxable dollars that they earn going to fix problems that never ever get fixed at all.
When I see billions of dollars going to foreign countries and often they can't even account for where the money goes, how can I feel good about paying taxes. When I see vets not being taken care of, cities in urban decay and education sacrificed, how can I feel good about paying taxes.
We are at the place of no return. Till the IRS and the other government agencies clean up their act, I do not feel good about paying for programs that are not doing the job that they are supposed t do.
Till we the citizens of this great country decide enough is enough the IRS will continue to do exactly what it wants and when it wants. Till people like Al Sharpton are held responsible for the taxes that they owe this country, nothing is going to change. Till legislators take responsibility for the will of the people over their own self interests, the process will just get worse. And most of all, till the people themselves, stop being complacent, the status quo will contnue
Totally agree, IRS needs to be......ABOLISHED.
Not a single reason to keep the IRS, or the Federal Income Tax, and especially the Internal Revenue Code.
There are other more reasonable ways for the federal government to get revenue than from Income Tax.
Be careful what you wish for or the IRS will think we are giving them permission to just help themselves to our checking and savings accounts anytime they want to.
Oh wait, they can already do this can't they?
True, but nothing is more rude than the income tax. I am sure that they could come up with something even more draconian.
Yes, we should end the IRS before it KILLS us taxpayers. It is the middle class who is being taxed to death. There is the Federal Reserve which has billions of dollars. These monies can be used for roads, schools, & related things. Also, if we eliminate that unnecessary social & entitlement programs, we ALL would be much richer.
Many of these unnecessary social & entitlement programs in addition to monies going for research on futile &/or stupid subjects. I am sick of this. I want more of the money that I have worked for. No we shouldn't steal from the wealthy. They worked for their money. The thought is egregious & smacks of envy of the successful. Why is there such envy of those who work smart, strategize, & succeed while the lazy & entitled are pitied, even rewarded. Enough is .....ENOUGH.
GM few are as learned and insightful as you are on political issues! Well said, now if you could only use that sort of expertise when it comes to the spiritual. ;-)
I just read where they are contemplating yet another tax hike on gasoline. The reason being that with gas prices being down we probably won't even notice that it happened and will not put up a fight.
Yes but what the are counting on is when gas goes up again it will get over $4.00 a gallon even faster, their wish to make it $10.00/gallon so companies like Solyndra won't go bankrupt.
They know there would be blood in the streets if they tried to raise taxes on $4 gas. Have you ever seen a new tax go away even if prices double?
Never, who is the best at doing your taxes? Sherlock Holmes or a tax accountant?
Sherlock, he's better at making DEDUCTIONS.
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