Do you believe that poorer and/or less educated people have more children whom they can't support?
Do you know any ill effects to the child(ren) born to these families and society? If so, what are they?
I like that 'map of the 48 USA states - but it tells little of the reason many people deliberately choose to have a lot of children who do NOT live the USA or any of the so-called First World or Advanced nations.
Places like India, China, Indonesia, with their huge populations, have no Social Security 'safety net.' Their people rely on family to look after them, not society-at-large through government taxation. There is no Aged (Old age) Pension. There is no 'Unemployment (can't get a job) benefits. If they don't work...and continue to work...they starve. Or at least find it extremely difficult to live.
The way they solve this problem is to hope that when they're old, or cannot work for a living, their family members will support them. Little wonder those who don't have children can do it very, very tough.
Until all Nations in the world take on responsibility for the welfare of all of their people, those nations without Social Safety will continue to expand this world's already 'bulging-at-the-seams' world population.
My question is what does "afford" mean? I know people from who make poverty income and have savings and people who make a six figure income and are deeply in debt. Which can afford children. The one who values life or has an agenda. This is really a good question. The families I know who have little money and lots of kids(10+) have college graduates, business owners, teachers, accounts, engineers. Its all attitude and love.
Typical parents of large/very large families(6 or more children per family) are usually in the lower socioeconomic strata-lower middle, working, poor, & underclass. In addition to that, such parents are less educated with some having very little education. These components are par for the course regarding parents of large/very large families.
They also refuse to believe in family planning. It is their contention that children are somehow preordained. They further believe that whatever children they have, somehow God will provide. Some of them even believe that what their children do not have, they can well do without.
They also have a selfish attitude towards their children. There are some who have a void in their lives that they believe that children will fill. They incessantly have children, knowing well that each additional child will reduce the family into further penury; however, it is THEIR wants and THEIR WANTS must be fulfilled no matter what the cause to the rest of the family.
Parents of large/very large families have a poverty consciousness, mindset & philosophy which they in turn embed to their children. To them, poverty & struggle is what middle class is to the rest of us. They really do not care if they are impoverished & their children do without. They are of the belief that poverty & struggle somehow builds character. Parents of large/very large families really do not mind if they are poor-to them, that is normative.
Children in large/very large families have poor health care. They also have poor nutrition. They are behind intellectually because their parents do not have the educational nor socioeconomic wherewithal to educate their children. Many times, they must depend upon outside help to keep them & their families socioeconomically afloat. They oftentimes must work even in childhood to supplement family income. They may even become jealous of more affluent children because the latter have the opportunities that they DO NOT have.
I agree with your observations. Where is the mindset of doing what's best for the CHILD? What about preparing for & planning for a child or deciding that if one can't even support themselves that they should not create a child, let alone several?
You're very welcome, I agree with your observations. Some people create children without planning and forethought. Many do not take the all important and lifetime job of being a parent very seriously and children do suffer.
I chalk it up to stupidity & irresponsibility because intelligent & educated parents put much forethought & planning before they have children.
Question #1: No while considering there is not a definition for support and there is a presumption for poverty. One must consider the state of impoverished, IMHO. One more can be one too many even when there is only a first child with any socioeconomic status with its environment. That is a familiar plot in literature. And then there is the factor of time with any given status.
For instance a two child family intends to send both children to college. At a moment in time they can afford to send the first born. Time occurs and that cannot occur for the second born. Is that not an ill effect of being poorer and does it not have the propensity of a lesser education being of fault? Does it not point toward the mismanagement of money as a product of being educated? Or, is it simply fate with occurrence of time, which some say is the best teacher.
I dun'no . . .
There are many examples such as parents who have no income and no savings or those who procreate and refuse to help the other parent raise the child and pay a fair share of the child's expenses. Can they afford children?
Condition #1 - Undoubtedly they cannot afford children. Condition #2a That occurs across the classes. EX: in the middle class there are dads that do not help raise children. 2b Paying a fair share? Are we discussing deadbeat parents - mom & dads?
Yes, I'm discussing parents who are poor (financially, emotionally, educationally, etc.) Common deficits are monetary, emotional, & educational yet some of them create children without forethought/planning, nor giving the child their best efforts
The 1st thing that popped into my mind reading the Q was the TV show the Waltons. I dun'no why? Departure with this discussion regarding the Q is I do not accept 'poor' with meaning at or below the poverty level. A difference of viewpoint.
Totally understandable. I have personally seen people who cannot support themselves create children & thus create problems for their kids due to their lack of planning, thought, & money. A fairly large number of the kids truly suffer due to t
It is the poor that always have the MOST children. The poor are uneducated or less educated w/fewer options & outlets. Since they don't have viable outlets, they indulge in sex & oftentimes they have no birth control-result: pregnancy. The poor are instinctive people. They react, they don't use logic nor planning. Everything is immediate for them.
If you observe poor communities, they oftentimes abound in children. You see children all over the place. Poor people have LARGE families- that is the culture of poverty. As one advance educationally & socioeconomically, family size decrease. If you have observed people from large/very large families, they have a poverty mindset although some have left their impoverished beginnings. People from large/very large families revel in poverty & struggle because these things occurred in their formative years.
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