Do you think restricting gun purchases of people on the No-fly list is a good id

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   jackclee lmposted 8 years ago

   Do you think restricting gun purchases of people on the No-fly list is a good idea as proposed?
   
   In his speech last night from the Oval office, President Obama called for Congress to pass a law restricting gun purchases by people who appears on the No-fly list? Do you think that is a good idea and Constitutional?

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   lovemychrisposted 8 years ago

   Honestly, it's really a moot question. The Congress is controlled by Republicans...the only things they will control are women's bodies, and people's access to vote. Guns and Viagra are safe with them. So no...nothing at all will be done about guns with Republicans in charge....except maybe forcing us all to own one.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You might have miss understood my question. Is the idea a good one and is it Constitutional?  Please reply based on those two points. I have an opinion but was curious on how others think on this topic.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes it's a good idea, and the constitution died with Patriot Act. Too late to revive it. People just pretend it matters when it affects them. Privacy is gone. Really, what else matters?

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Lovemychris, I hope you are being satirical. The Constitution is still important in many ways. This current President have abused his power and shredding it for his political advantage. For most of us, the law and the Constitution still matters.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Riiiiiiiiight. He invaded country, tortured, and shredded constitution. That was Bush. Can't pick and choose demons!

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You might not agree with Bush's policies but he did not abuse his power. He got Congress to vote and supported the war in Iraq. Unlike the current President who has issued executive actions to change our immigration laws...

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      OK, now you see, we are in TOTALLY different universes. This is why we do need to split the country....you will never take responsibility for what went on prior to, and other than Obama. It's no use even discussing, there is NO common ground. Unreal!

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How do you see that happen? Are you pushing for another civil war? I think there are common grounds and common sense solutions. We need to understand who is behind the curtain causing divisiveness. Don't fall for their ploy.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      According to you, it's Obama.THAT'S the ploy!

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My point in the question is explore whether this law if passed will be Constitutional and secondly if it will be effective.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       And I have answered....after Patriot Act, constitution means nothing! You guys only throw it around to keep your guns. You could care less about women's rights under the constitution. It's a farce!

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   ronbergeronposted 8 years ago

   I'm not sure that being on the no-fly list is an adequate reason to restrict someone's constitutional rights. If there is evidence of wrong-doing, charges should be filed and due process should be followed. Jumping right to a punishment without charges, a trial, and a chance to defend oneself should be something that we all guard against.
   
   I think the same is true of the no-fly list itself. Anyone on the list should be able to find out why they're listed and have some legal means to contest it. Without that, they're being secretly accused, assumed guilty, and punished without recourse. That's not what "the land of the free" is supposed to be about.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, in addition, it might be a way to subvert the 2nd amendment by putting political enemies on the no-fly list.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmm, kinda like Trump saying no Muslim's allowed in America?

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   junksellerposted 8 years ago

   That is problematic. The no-fly list is mysterious and by many accounts easy to get on by the flimsiest of evidence. I had a professor on it, of architecture, not even politics, or some other field that might be contentious. He wouldn't have stepped on a bug.
   
   Even if it weren't problematic, it is a bandaid solution that ignores the real problems: poverty, inequality, racism, drugs, crime, the overabundance of guns, the ridiculous Second Amendment, the even more ridiculous gun mythologies that so many Americans worship, the ease of acquiring guns, etc.
   
   Is it Constitutional? maybe. We don't now allow complete and unfettered access to firearms, which has passed constitutional tests, so it is possible, but I'm certainly not qualified to answer that. My suspicion is that the courts would have a hard time with it, because of the complete lack of transparency of getting on the list and the inability to do anything about it. Fundamentally that violate due process.
   
   If people want gun control then they should actually enact gun control.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think you understand the 2nd Amendment. If you did, you would't think it is rediculous. It has kept our country from a military coup as happened in many other nations. I do agree with you on the due process of no-fly lists.

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      junksellerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The government can take anything of yours that they want via a dude in an air conditioned office pushing a button. Your gun is a paperweight.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What country are you living in? Have you heard about the Bill of Rights?

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