Do you believe the Presidential Election is rigged?

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   ptosisposted 8 years ago

   Do you believe the Presidential Election is rigged?
   
   Is the Electoral college system rigged? ‘More people are discovering that the system is all rigged and voting is just pacification,’ three-time presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul argued during an interview with RT America. Paul warned that the GOP’s machinations to block Donald Trump are a sign of a corrupt, undemocratic system. There have been many hacks into Democratic political groups, but none into Republican groups. Former CIA acting director Michael Morell called Donald Trump an "unwitting agent" of Putin.
   
   

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   gregasposted 8 years ago

   The Electoral College is a rigged 'system' in itself. We republicans in California, Washington and Oregon won't even have a countable vote. Our states are considered blue. There is no show of even a possible change. The public has to come to their senses and realize that as long as we have the Electoral College OUR votes don't/won't count. As the saying goes, WAKE UP AMERICA.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Actually the electoral votes matches the popular vote for (each state). It's a winner take all on a state by state basis.
      CA has 55 electoral votes! It's 20% of E-votes!
      The problem is (national popular vote totals) do not decide elections.

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      gregasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's exactly what is wrong with it.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The electoral college defeats the one person one vote. A federal election should transcend state controls. Every person voting needs to be a part of the election. We have seen how the DNC and RNC have failed to represent the voters.

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Senate was Electoral, now popular.  Only Nebraska and Maine are split states who don't have the 'winner take all' format. Electoral college favors small states. - http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ … procon.php

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      gregasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The size of the state shouldn't make any difference. This is the vote for the person that will run the COUNTRY. Not the STATE itself.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Greg, The population of a state determines it's number of electoral votes. RI isn't = CA in this system.
      Neither party desires change
      bradmasterOCcal
      Most people view social security and Medicare to be good! The Great Depression spawned them

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      dashingscorpio
      What people think that? Again read my hub on SS.
      I agree with Greg, the president should be elected by the people, and screw the Republic because it no longer represents the people.

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   "Sour Grapes" are fairly common in close elections.
   Democrats still say George W. Bush was handed the 2000 election! Many point out that Al Gore got the most votes and it was Florida governed by his brother Jeb Bush, that gave W. the electoral votes.
   After the recount and Supreme Court involvement Gore chose to go away quietly as oppose to beating a drum screaming: "It was rigged!"
   In my opinion when Gore lost his "home state" of Tennessee that kept him from getting the electoral votes needed to win.
   Note: Bill Clinton won TN both times!
   The "founding fathers" set up the electoral college voting system and for whatever reason our nation hasn't dropped it and gone with the popular vote. I assume the founders didn't trust the layman voters.
   Having said this I believe the real fear people have is if Trump loses he will "fan the flames" of a (rigged election). Some of his supporters have talked about taking up arms if Clinton wins. Where as if Clinton loses her supporters will not be marching on Washington.
   Democracy is always viewed a "peaceful transition of power" as being the difference between the U.S. and countries with dictators.
   Any student of electoral map history can pretty much see which states are blue and which ones are solidly red. It's the "swing states" and "undecided voters" that decide most close elections.
   Knowing in advance that California and New York will vote for Clinton along with Texas and Alabama voting for Trump doesn't mean the system is rigged. It's just acknowledging historical data & polls.

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      gregasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It just means that our VOTES don't count. There have been 4 presidents that won popular vote but lost to the Electoral College.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's interesting that {neither party} wants to eliminate the Electoral College voting system. hmmmm

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      gregasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No, but a lot of the people do or should. It is our votes that don't count.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      DashingScorpio
      The founding fathers were good, but they didn't consider today? They left setting up the SCOTUS to the Congress, bad idea. Neither party has gotten rid of Income Tax, SS, Medicare or Obamacare, all of these a bad ideas gone worse.

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If had Bush/Gore popular vote then instead 6 million voterecont in Florida but of more than 130 million votes in all states and D.C. - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/curtis-ga … 89390.html

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      bradmasterOCcal
      Most people view social security and Medicare to be good!
      The Great Depression spawned them along with minimum wage. It would also be hard to have a military without federal income taxes. Very few people want to do without.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      dashingscorpio
      Read my hub on SS, and tell me why they think that it is good?

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 8 years ago

   The electoral college was created to prevent mob rule as America was not created as a pure democracy but a Democratic Republic. The founders on a whole rightly detested pure democracies because they tended to end up in a tyranny of the majority, of which the leftist French Revolution provided a prime example of. The problem is that 51% of the population could deny the rights of the other 49%.
   
   The purpose of the Electoral College is to balance voting power across states so no one region of the country can gain too much control, a candidate who is wildly popular in one region must also prevail in a number of sub-elections to win.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The Democratic and Republican parties as they exist today, nor their control over the loyal party could not have been imagined by the founders. Loyal party voters are sheep, that is why the party knows exactly how many votes they have in their pocket

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Check out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/willard-s … 43593.html &http://www.huffingtonpost.com/willard-sterne-randall/founding-fathers-political-parties_b_1843593.html

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why  didn't you reference Pravda?

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      wba108@yahoo.composted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He did

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      EXPOSED: THE MASTER KEY - How They Will STEAL The Election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95Nzua … e=youtu.be

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      Ken Burgessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Mob rule is 50% of the Democrat votes... as they shuffle in illegals to vote, indigent and lifelong welfare recipients to vote, really... without the dead people, busing people to five different poll places in one day, etc. when would they win?

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   Ken Burgessposted 8 years ago

   It absolutely will be this election... it is why the corporate media (ALL of them from MSNBC to FOX) is pounding the drum that Trump is losing badly (this despite tens of thousands showing up at each Trump rally he has across 'toss up' states while Clinton can't fill a High School Auditorium)...
   
   Smartmatic manufactures the voting machines that will be used this November in 16 states, critical swing states like (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania,  and Virginia).
   
   The Chairman of Smartmatic, Mark Malloch-Brown, is on the board of George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. 
   
   In the Primaries VS Bernie, where these machines were used Clinton defeated Bernie by a 9% margin.  In states where they were not used, she won by only 1% (or lost). 
   
   These machines are just like any other machine; they’ll do whatever they are programmed to do; this gives the manufacturers some AWESOME power. These machines can be programmed to cast your vote for Hillary, regardless of which candidate you actually select.

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do these machines give a paper receipt when voting? I hear Penn's machines do not so unable to do a recount.

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