Has Special Prosecutor Bob Mueller Run Out Of Time?

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  1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
    RJ Schwartzposted 7 months ago

    Members of Congress, the Senate, Washington Elite, and taxpayers are starting to call for an end to the Russian Conspiracy Investigation into the Trump Administration.  Absolutely zero evidence has surfaced and there’s no one left to interview except the Chief and the VP.  With a high likelihood that even the earlier arrests will see difficulties, the entire event really didn’t accomplish anything.  Do you see any reason to continue, other than a pure partisan hatred of the man?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image91
      Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Where was this concern when Hillary was being investigated so long, Ralph? No one but the pro-Trump fans want the investigation to end prematurely. What makes you think Mueller's indictments won't stick? And how do you know Mueller doesn't have Trump by the Stormy Daniels abused family jewels?

      It's hilarious when Fox watchers try to outguess Mueller's investigation and make a decision based on Sean Hannity's outrageous opinions and conspiracy theories. Fox barely reports the scandals surrounding little Donnie from every side, and you guys are left in the dark as far as real news is concerned if you only watch Faux News.  hmm

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
        RJ Schwartzposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Stormy won’t hurt him - he was a private citizen and didn’t spen tax payer dollars like John a Edwards did

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          And John Edwards was drummed out, wasn't he?

          Payoff to Stormy Daniels = campaign finance law violation.

          Stay tuned....

          1. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Didn't realize Stormy was running for anything.  What was it?

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              Lol, read up on it.

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                Thanks, but it's not worth the effort.  I don't really care whether it was for dog catcher (cat catcher?) or mayor of NYC.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, just another craven, unethical move by Trump, orchestrated by his paid protector who, of course, was stiffed by Trump.

                  Nothing to see. Nothing at all.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image91
                    Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    The disbelief of Trump fans is predictable and unfortunately a rude awakening is in store for them. Since Mueller is running a leak free investigation so far, it's killing the righ not to be able to do anything but speculate. Meanwhile, Mueller keeps racking them up and getting closer to Donnie by the day. The stench is getting greater!  yikes

            2. Randy Godwin profile image91
              Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              Trump WAS running though, but you already knew that. Didn't you? tongue

          2. GA Anderson profile image80
            GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Campaign finance law violation? I think that is a bit of a stretch PrettyPanther. Do you believe it was, or just repeating the Democrat's charge?

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              I believe there is reason to investigate whether Stormy was paid off to specifically avoid the story surfacing during the campaign, since she has said as much.

              1. GA Anderson profile image80
                GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                As I understand the charge, it was to keep her quiet that makes the payment qualify as a "campaign contribution."

                Even if it was to keep her quiet, I think it is stretching the law too much to view it as a campaign contribution. But I am just an armchair legal scholar with 20 minutes of legal research experience to base my expertise on. Still, no law says I can't charge what I want, and I want my services to be valued at $600 p/hr. So I will only bill you for $200, and I will discount my time to type this reply as a professional courtesy.

                GA :-)

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm no legal expert either, although my brother is a lawyer, which surely counts for something. :-)

                  Edited to add: You'd be surprised at what constitutes a campaign contribution. I ran for office last year. If a friend rents chairs for your campaign rally, it's noted as an in-kind campaign contribution. If another friend donates their services as a deejay, that must be reported as an in-kind contribution. I can easily see where a third party using their own funds to satisfy an agreement that benefits the candidate could quality as an in-kind campaign contribution.

                  Of course, like you, that is my armchair legal evaluation.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image80
                    GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    As you can see from my response to IslandBites, I am not letting facts get in my way. I think what I think, and what I think must be right or I wouldn't think it.

                    GA:-)

            2. IslandBites profile image88
              IslandBitesposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              On Jan. 22, the nonpartisan government watchdog group Common Cause filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice claiming that the $130,000 payment to Daniels constituted an in-kind contribution to Trump’s presidential campaign, in violation of federal campaign law.

              In response, Cohen claimed that the payment was a private transaction that he was able to “facilitate” with his own personal funds. http://www.commoncause.org/policy-and-l … 2-2018.pdf

              Common Cause is a watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. with chapters in 35 states. It was founded in 1970 by John W. Gardner, a Republican, who was the former Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare in the administration of President Lyndon Johnson as well as chair of the National Urban Coalition, an advocacy group for minorities and the working poor in urban areas.

              1. GA Anderson profile image80
                GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                Ha! Are you trying to say a bunch of lawyers and campaign finance experts, and a bunch of folks with first hand campaign experience know more about this than I do? Harumpt!

                GA:-)

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      The investigation into the 2012 Benghazi incident officially ended in 2016. Did you want that investigation shut down before it was complete?

      Don't worry. Mueller is uncovering actual crimes. He has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people in less than a year.

      Many of you Trump fans are in for a very rude awakening. That is, if you accept reality.

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image92
        RJ Schwartzposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Maybe it was a Russian Porn star....

      2. GA Anderson profile image80
        GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Hi PrettyPanther, looks like you ended your self-exile from the forums.

        I don't want the Mueller investigation to end -- until it ends, but...

        How many of those "19 people" have been involved with collusion, (the point of the investigation), related charges?

        GA

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          I'm suspect you already know the answer to that question,  at least  as well as I do, so why are you asking?

          Edited to add: I stayed away for awhile because I  couldn't stomach yet another round of gun control discussions following a mass shooting.

          1. GA Anderson profile image80
            GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            I have also tried to stay out of the gun discussion threads - except for a couple "clarifying" comments. :-)

            I do know the answer to my question. My point was to ask why you thought that was worth mentioning as a validation of the investigation.

            However, I must admit that even though I am disdainful of using the investigative mandate of collusion to address non-collusion crimes, I don't think non-related "uncovered" crimes should be ignored, and I am glad to see characters like Manafort exposed.

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              I mention the indictments and guilty pleas because they are evidence that there's an awful lot of criminal activity already exposed by Mueller in less than a year. The OP asked "do you see any reason to continue."

              I trust that Mueller sees plenty of reason to continue or he would be done.

              Hillary's use of a private email server was uncovered during the Benghazi investigation and I don't recall anyone lamenting that it wasn't the original focus of the investigation.  Who is being partisan?

              1. GA Anderson profile image80
                GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                I feel the same way about Hillary's "email" discovery, as I said I did about Manfort's crimes.  I am not thrilled with the method, but I don't lament the result.

                So who is being partisan?

                GA

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  Those who say the investigation has found no collision, and ask if there is "any reason to continue, other than a pure partisan hatred of the man?"

        2. Randy Godwin profile image91
          Randy Godwinposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          We don't know yet, GA. As Mueller is cutting deals with most of them he's offering lesser charges to get them to talk. As I said earlier, Mueller keeps his cards close to his vest.  cool

          1. GA Anderson profile image80
            GA Andersonposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            And I am glad that he is running a leak-free effort Randy. You could be right, there may be more to come. Or there may not. We just don't know do we?

            The "released" charging and plea stories could be just a message, and any real collusion charges or pleas haven't been released... yet. Or, what has been released really could be all there is.

            I am staying tuned. :-)

            GA

    3. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Mueller did not run out of time but ran out of evidence for potential crime...
      From the start, there was not a crime to warrant an investigation. It was a political fishing expediction concocted by Comey and his cohorts...
      Even the FBI agent, Peter Strzok, who is a Trump hater, thought in his private text, that there were nothing there to pin anything on the Trump team...
      It is time to end this charade for the betterment of the Democratic party and for the country and for the TDS media whi can’t seem to stop themselves...

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Just curious.  How do you know he has run out of evidence?

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          There is no Russian collusion between Trump and Russians... he was a businessman and a TV personality...
          it was a total fiction created by a fake dossier that the DNC help pay for...and the FBI partisan ran with it...
          As much as you dislike Trump and his policies...all valid views from the left, it does not change the fact.
          You can’t make something up that was not true to begin with. It will eventually come out. Unfortunately it is taking this long and be a huge distraction for our country...
          Someone will be held accountable for this fiasco...it can’t come soon enough in the mid term election.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            That doesn't answer my question.  I don't know if there was collusion or not, since the investigation is still ongoing.  You stated Mueller "has run out of evidence for potential crime."  I asked, how do you know he has run out of evidence?

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this
              1. jackclee lm profile image80
                jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                So PP, put on your thinking cap for one minute. With all the deep state Obama holdouts in the FBI, CIA and the State department and the DOJ... don’t you think if there was real credible evidence, it would have leaked out in some way by now?

                Just about everything else has been leaked including Comey himself have admitted to leaking to the NYT through a friend...

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  I don't buy the deep state theory.  I admire how Mueller has maintained a leak-free investigation.  Such a contrast to the salacious Ken Starr investigation which, by the way, lasted four years (I think).

                  1. jackclee lm profile image80
                    jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    It is not a theory...there are numerous evidence that many people serving in the current administration are allegiant to the Democratic party and President Obama. By the way, President Obama is the only president in our history that chose to stay in Washinton DC after he left office. Why do you think he did that? To write his memoirs?

              2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                A text message from an FBI agent sent two days after launch of the investigation is enough for you to conclude Mueller "has run out of evidence for potential crime"?

                Wow.

                1. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  That was one example of many. It is too much to discuss and educate you on this issue. Many insiders knows there is no evidence and they are trying to put the best face on this investigation and end it by prosecuting some small fish...mark my words.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    Okay, I will mark your words. big_smile

                    And I am quite well educated, thank you.

                2. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  So let me ask you this PP, where do you see this investigation going?
                  Do you think this alleged crime rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanor that warrants imprachment of Trump down the road?
                  Careful with your answers...
                  Remember what happened with the impeachment of Bill Clinton...

                  It was a distraction for our country for over one year and meanwhile our enemies plotted against us with 9/11...

                  I hate to see a political attack from one side against the other while our people suffers needlessly.
                  We are coming out of a self created malaise...it is due mostly to Trump.
                  I give him credit and my believe is most Americans will come to that conclusion in the mid term election.
                  They may not like him personally or his tweets...but they like the results.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    I believe the investigation will uncover criminal activity on the part of Trump and/or his family, probably financially related.  It may or may not uncover collusion which, to my understanding is not technically a "crime." However, do you really want a guy who colludes with a foreign enemy governing our nation?  If it turns out he did, or condoned it or covered it up, many people will not tolerate it.  He will be gone, one way or another, either through impeachment or the next election.

  2. Randy Godwin profile image91
    Randy Godwinposted 7 months ago

    The House Investigation lost credibility when Nunes pulled his scam with Trump early on. What a farce! I suspect Nunes and his cronies will look stupid when Mueller gives his report. Good enough for them! hmm

 
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