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   Sharlee01posted 6 years ago

   The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. The Act became law without a presidential signature on November 8, 1995. After 23 years we now have a president that will keep America's promise to Israel.

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And provoke a war with the Arabic countries, as proven by the missiles they are now shooting at each other.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Where've you been ? That's been happening for decades!

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Are you willing to commit American military toward another fools errand in the Middle East, war with Iran?
            
            You are free to go, wave your banners and sing your patriotic songs. Just another front in the war on Terror, as if we don't have enough of them, already.
            
            France, Germany and Great Britain have ADULt and responsible leadership, I have heard none of them complain about the basis of the  "agreement" nor any indication of a breach coming even close to supporting Trump's unilateral and reckless course.

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               And you will never hear the other weak "superpowers " do anything BUT let American maintain peace in the world , what makes you think we are going to go to war in Iran ?     Trumps the first president to consider  NOT wasting American blood and treasure .   It's worked too .   
               
               The left in America needs seriously to catch up on its history reading , Israel has few friends in the world and fewer even in the middle east .  If we don't rattle our swords behind them Iran would own Jerusalem and the Jewish people would be on the ships again   .

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                  Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  The stupid and useless belligerency of the Trump style conservative is awesome to behold.
                  
                  The whole idea of an agreement to include the allies is that France and Germany does millions of dollars of business with Iran, so there would be more than the threat of military action but that of economic penalty as well if Iran reneged on the terms of the agreement.
                  
                  Basically, what we have is an agreement where Trump says Iran will stand down on its nuclear development without any concessions from the US to do so, outside the threat of force. If I were the leaders of Iran, I would tell the US to f*ckoff.
                  
                  Dopey conservatives continue to talk about threats from Iran, well they have been crying wolf for decades. Iran has 10 times Israel's population and could wipe it from the map if it really wanted to.
                  
                  
                  If I were the Iranian leader, why would I allow a potential enemy Nuclear weapons while I remain relatively disarmed? We could not stop China, Pakistan or India from acquiring the "bomb". So, they are ultimately going to get what they want, probably with Russian help and there is nothing we can do about it. Why is Trump trying to convince everyone, otherwise?
                  
                  
                  So, if Iran goes full speed ahead with its plans to develop a bomb, who is going to stop them? There is not even the agreement in place as a deterrent? Since, silly conservatives always say that as globo-cop America will prevent this, how, short of military force? And you can bet that Iran is not an Iraq and would be  considerably more militarily formidable. I also know that Russia has ties with Iran, do you think that they would just sit still in the face of US aggression in the region?
                  
                  Israel has been playing the U.S. like a fiddle regarding foreign policy for over 60 years. With an A$$hole like Netanyahu in charge it has been clear that a peaceful settlement amenable to both side is not what he wants.
                  
                  Conservatives lie and play with words all of the time, there is a difference between being opposed to Israeli foreign policy verses being anti-Semitic.
                  
                  How many more wars do young men have to fight and perish in to satiate the ego of a stupid and cowardly man?
                  
                  You want to confront Iran, then both you and Trump go and give it your best shot.

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                     ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Credence ,This is one of the most shallow responses I've ever read about threats of nuclear proliferation ,  Maybe if Trump were to drop another $150,000,000, million or so in U.S dollars in the middle of the night and leave an unsigned peace  treaty on top of the pile for the recipients to sign when they get around to it ?   Would that  type of Obama nuclear treaty suffice ?
                     And you call Trump stupid ?
                     
                     Iran is the  # 1 sponsor of world terrorism across this world . They have daily called for" Death to Americans and Israel "  they actually have a reward for killing us and you blame "dopey conservatives "?   Where do you get that diplomatic brilliance Mother Jones ?   
                     
                     It IS  nations like Iran that will one day of course get "the bomb " ,   when they do the danger of an enemy nuke or dirty bomb  in NYC ,  L.A. or Boston harbor becomes one hundred percent more likely .   They need to be stopped and stopped now .    Contrary to the level of intelligence you show above  you must understand this ; there is no such thing as "........Relatively  Disarmed ........" in Nuclear proliferation .     Such a rogue nation as Iran is either is a nuclear contender or they are not , there is no "relatively ".
                     
                     Credence , Devolving nuclear treaty-ing to you and your  media's  level of personal attack   against Pres. Trump and his policies is exactly the level that Iran understands ,  dividing  and destroying the enemy through news media .  Get behind your leaders for once . Obama / Clinton / Kerry grossly failed at diplomacy , give someone else a chance .

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                        Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        No hundred-billion giveaways
                        
                        Trump’s statement makes it sound like we’re cutting Iran a $150 billion check. In reality, the money is already Iran’s to begin with, just frozen under the many economic sanctions levied against the country.
                        
                        So, what is with the unmitigated fabrication, Ahorseback?
                        
                        
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                        The JCPOA (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action) outlined “political commitments” of the nuclear deal. And the JCPOA was unsigned. The U.S. and its international partners approved a UN Security Council resolution (UNSCR) that “calls on” member countries to support implementation of JCPOA. But the Council on Foreign relations notes that neither JCPOA and UNSCR “does not obligate the United States to do so as a matter of international law.” That means the United States is not legally bound to lift sanctions on Iran, even if Iran upholds its end of the deal. For that reason, it wasn’t necessary for Iran to sign the deal.
                        
                        So this is the 'other side' of the story, Iran was not contractually bound, but neither were we.
                        
                        So, I suppose that I have to question the legitimacy of any contract where the signatories refused to be bound by its terms . You may have a point, just as Hitler said of his promise not to attack Czechoslovakia in 1938, "nothing more than a scrap of paper".
                        
                        I have been hearing the same threats toward America from Iran and other states in the region for decades, so what? There are a lot of good reasons to resent American foreign policy. I can certainly think of more than one. So, you justify war with another country because they say that they don't like you?
                        
                        So, how are You going to stop them. You seem to dance around the idea of another major war in the Mid-East with Israel despitefully using us to do their bidding in the region, with our blood and treasure.
                        I could'nt care less about Israel, for having any more rights than Palestinians or Arabs in the region. Why is Israel so special, why not Guyana, or Gabon?
                        
                        I think that there is a certain arrogance by the United States to say that only we are capable of responsibly holding vast nuclear arsenals, and no one else can join the club? That is an idea doomed to failure ever since USSR exploding its first nuke in 1949.
                        
                        Trump is leading us toward war in the region, what will he do if Iran will not do his bidding?
                        I don't like neocons and I don't trust them, and that is what Trump is.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           I 've already informed horse the money was already Iran's and explained it like it was to a 9 year old. Apparently I was giving him too much credit! 

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                              Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              no, problem, like most rightwingers, the bigger the lie, the more people can be persuaded to believe it. But not this time, seems like I heard this "truth" long ago. So, I suspected that something was rotten in Denmark in regard to Ahoreback's statement.
                              
                              Thanks Randy, keep up the good work!!

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 You can lead a horse to water, Cred!  Never more true in this case...

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                     Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     That's the truth Credence - we've not been able to stop any country that really wants nuclear weapons from obtaining them.  Effort to stop North Korea failed, and our efforts to disarm them will fail as well.  I'm convinced that Iran DOES want nukes, and will eventually obtain them.

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                        Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks, Hxprof, unfortunately that is what I see. The idea that we, the US, can really control an ultimate and desperate objective like this one in regards to another country remains an illusion promoted within certain political circles. If I were nervous about any proposed or actual nuclear power it would be Pakistan.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Please read recent news from credible sources. The last real war between Israel and Arabic countries took place in 1973. The latest news is about Iran and Israel shooting missilies at each other.
            
            That's a lot different than Hezbollah guerillas shooting some homemade rockets across the border.

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               LOL  I guess if you spin it hard enough ALL weapons are "homemade" for they were all produced in the home country of the manufacturer.  And everyone knows that guided missiles are easy to make in your kitchen, after all.

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                  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Says HP's resident spinmaster. 
                  
                  Where did I say all rockets are homemade? Or that guided missiles are made in a kitchen? The amount of that spin makes my head spin.
                  
                  And what declared wars between Israel and other governments since 1973 are you claiming?

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                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     "That's a lot different than Hezbollah guerillas shooting some homemade rockets across the border."
                     
                     Or is now that they made one rocket themselves and shot hundreds obtained from other sources?  It's called "spin" either way.  Or just "lie" for an attempt to convince a listener of a lie is still a lie whether it is technically true or not.

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                        promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Simply requoting something that you seriously distorted is not an answer.
                        
                        You have a habit of zeroing in one one or two words in an entire post and ignoring the rest of it.
                        
                        And I take great offense at your accusation that I'm lying simply because of the single word "homemade".
                        
                        Please get a grip on your temper.

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      Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It was proper for the US to do that.  I do agree with Promisem though - it will goad them to war.  But, that's THEIR choice.

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      Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Instead wasting time with idiotic, outdated laws, it would be nice if the government tried doing something that reduces tensions in the region and helps the peace process, rather than something that will increase tensions and hinder the peace process.

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         America has been making attempts for many years to help bring peace to the region.  Israel is one of our best allies and history shows that we have brought the two to the table many times. None produced any form of a solution. Hopefully, president Trump will also attempt to get Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas back to negotiations.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I agree America has been trying for decades to bring peace to the region. I also agree that we should support Israel.
            
            But if we truly want peace there, I'm concerned that we won't accomplish it by moving our embassy to Jerusalum against the strong opposition of our European and Arabic allies.
            
            Adding to the problem: Turkey is a member of NATO and just pulled its ambassador from both the U.S. and Israel in protest. The loss of Turkey from NATO is a serious threat.

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            Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yes it's a complex and difficult situation. So until a solution is agreed, the sensible thing to do would be to try and reduce tensions on both sides and contain the violence as much as possible. Not deliberately inflame tensions.

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               Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Don, How has that worked over the past 35 years? Yeah...  Not sure if peace will ever come to the region. When are Palestinian offered money for killing a jew?  Maybe a different strategy is the way to go?

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                  Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  And how is inflaming tensions in an already tense region helping?
                  
                  It helps perpetuate the violence, which breeds . . . more violence. In what way is that a good thing?

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                     Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Don, You make a very good argument.  Violence does beget violence.  I am very sure President Trump, as well as Benjamin Netanyahu, knew there would violence.   AS there has been for so many years.  In my opinion, Trump wanted to show our allies he stands with them against a terrorist regime.  I hope Trump will step up and do the hard work of bringing both sides back to the table. If he did this I would respect this gesture far more than opening an embassy.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Well, we could wipe Israel off the map - that would certainly reduce tensions over there.  Would that be satisfactory?

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            What would be more satisfactory is a reasonable reply to his post rather than mocking it.

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            Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            That wouldn't reduce tensions, it would spark an international crises and increase tensions.
            
            Also, false dichotomy. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem and "[wiping] Israel off the map" are not the only available options. Another option would have been . . . not moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

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               promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Very true.

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   Sharlee01posted 6 years ago

   Did we not promise Israel we would open an embassy in Jerusalem?  Is Iran a threat to the entire middle east?  Do you feel it would be wise if they had nuclear capability? Do you think the "Arabic countries" feel any differently than we do about Iran having nuclear capability then we do?  Do you not consider if Iran had a nuclear capability that others in the region would arm their countries with nuclear weapons?  One last question, should we sit by as we have with NK for many years, and be in the position we are today? 
   
   NK is now a threat to the entire world. And you know why? Because we did nothing, and our allies did to do nothing...  This is sobering but true. And anyway you spin it, it will not change the fact. NK could blow us off the face of the earth. Hopefully, the man many are so frightened of, so repulsed by and so bitter about can fix this ugly mess. It's time to stop all the rhetoric, and give credit where it's due.

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      Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In general Sharlee, the US has been sticking its nose into the business of other countries for a long time.  That said, I believe US support for Israel is right, though again, our recognition of Jerusalem as its capital WILL likely provoke war from the Arab countries.  Oh well.

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   Sharlee01posted 6 years ago

   I agree America has for many years stuck their noses into other countries business. Until now, we have a president that puts America first in every situation.  He also does what he says he is going to do. Not sure I can predict what will happen in the Middle East due to the United States keeping a 23-year-old promise. However, in my opinion, many of the larger counties in the Middle East will sleep a bit better knowing Iran is going to be halted from obtaining nuclear weapons. I know I am going to sleep better. I don't think the threat of NK  having nukes has set in here in America? I think if it had, they would be grateful we have a president that is taking steps to stop Iran from becoming actually a bigger threat. Iran is fighting a religious war. They would die for their cause.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The left  ,incapable of recognising true leadership in the middle east , now only has to stand back and watch Trumpism lead to regional security .

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   At Least five president have courageously spoken in favor of respecting Israel's claim to Jerusalem , now not only has Trump ACTED where others weakened but he has supported Israel and  moved our embassy . If Obama had done that the left would have canonized him by now , built a monument and raised it to the skies .
   
   But , This is Trump isn't it ?

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 years ago

   Since Trump was put into office by a minority of Americans, keeping his campaign promises is a moot point.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder sometimes how hard true progress would have to  shake the resistance to awaken them from the slumber of apathy and addiction , liberal anger is such a shallowly understood  and self blinding  phenomenon , no?

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         ahorseback,  It baffles me to how this woman's thought process seems to make her believe her opinion is the final word?  It so appears she has convinced herself of just that. Very odd, very scary....  Almost like she is void of common sense.

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   Sharlee01posted 6 years ago

   Kathleen -   Oh My,  Last I knew we still had an electoral college. Do still we elect a president with electoral votes?  Each state chooses electors, equal in number to that state's combined total of senators and representatives. So you feel California and New York citizens should choose America's president every four years?
   
   It also appears in your post that you appear to feel I have no right to celebrate the president's accomplishments? Pretty much due to you don't like him...  He won, and I am proud to say I voted for him. I am very proud of his many accomplishments.  It is clear you would rather see the country fail than succeed under his tenure.?  That's your prerogative. However, how dare you assume you have the right to make such a statement. 
   
   By the way, a normal response in regards to something positive for our country would be to be pleased.  Not to stamp one's feet due to their candidate losing, and say the winner's accomplishments are a moot point...  Actually, the only moot point here is your statement.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I used to feel a anger towards the liberal ideology for their embedded and eternal hatred , now days I just feel bad for the naivete and group thought  that displaces their sense of patriotic self worth , because once democrats too were patriotic.
      
      Let's face it , apparently self loathing is all they have at this point .
      -They self destructed their DNC
      -Tried hard to buy an election
      -Gotta U-Tube media meltdowns on election night
      -Trump Obstruction is falling on it's own sword
      -ARE socialist candidates all they have left to promote ?
      Tough shape is what their in !

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