Is John McCain a Patriot or a traitor?
John McCain latest comment on trade talks at the G7 meeting...
Is bizarre.
He is taking sides against our country and our President.
As a sitting Senator, is this a smart thing to do?
Is he undermining our government and Constitution?Here is the story...
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3915 … d-with-youSo, Jack, it is now a cardinal sin to dare to criticize your "Annoited one"? This was a dumb move on Trump's part and he is being told such by virtually everyone.
I have no problem if McCain voice his disagreement with trade policies.
This is taking it to a new level.
What is the definition of treason?
He is bringing this to a personal level and attacking a sittting president and taking sides with our trade competitors...
Is there a line where a politician and a US citizen should not cross?
We have two world views being faught in our country right now.
We have on one side America first who is trying to imporove our country and our economy...while on the other side, a One World Order view where America is made subservient to an international organization like the UN...
While we are debating this, guess what, other nations like Russia and China and Iran... are working to become the next super power...Jack, you of all people are aware that in the US, the definition of "treason" involves espionage and active effort against the government during time of war. But conservatives throw the word around like a toddler throws around his breakfast.
The rage against those that give Trump the criticism he so richly deserves are just partisan in nature. So, if there is a "line", I am not seeing it.
What is it with rightwingers, Jack?Are we the only nation in the world that have the intrinsic right to pursue our self interest in the international arena?That is the problem. You and globalists seem to think we have no right to defend our own interests while other nations always act in their own interest.
The immigration debate is one such issue.
Why is it wrong for the US to secure its own borders while countries like Mexico and almost all other nations defend their borders against their neighbors?Jacklee , You're actually debating with the highly uninformed , All that some here see is everything through" the red" of their personal hatred for Trump and so for all things Trump . The left here is "Hooting and rooting" for Trump failure , no matter that actual cost to America .
They twist they turn ;
-Trade
-Spending
-Patriotism
-Borders
-Economics
-Domestic policies
-Diplomacy
They see only through red lenses ."Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal."
John F. Kennedy, 1961
Perhaps you could learn something from the quote of a man who was a REAL leader?Stop this real leader mentality...
JFK would be thrown out of the Democratic party of today.
May I remind you -
He was a tax cutter...
He was for a strong national defense
He asked “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country...”
He started the peace corp movement.
He was a womenizer...Jack, I suppose YOU have a good reason why Spanky wants Russia back in the summit, even after they were tossed out for breaking the rules by invading Crimea? Make it at least semi-believable if you deign to answer the question please.
In all negotiations, it is better to have dialogue than not.
That apply to our friends and more to our enemies...
Hence Trump reached out to North Korea ans Russian and Iran...
Why else would a world leader act in his own interests and the interest of his country...a.So you want Russia, who not only broke the rules of the summit, but also meddled in our election, to be allowed back in the summit? This only makes Spanky appear more guilty of colluding with Russia than he already is! What a moron we have for a leader!
Here is John McCain on North Korea...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri … 696d0ac694
He is on the wrong side of hostory again...From the Godfather- one of the greatest movies ever made...
“Keep your friends close and your enemy closer...”My advice for John McCain.
From General McArthur - “old soldiers never die...they just fade away...”There is a difference between a general officer of the Armed Forces being insubordinate to his commander and chief and a member of a co-equal branch (the senate) of the federal government questioning and challenging the motives of the President. As a Constitutional scholar, I thought that you would be aware of that.
Dude, you have an issue with John McCain. We get it. Your attempt to paint him as a traitor while defending a cowardly bully who cozies up to dictators while starting fights with our allies is, well, embarrassing for you.
Frankly, I'm more and more embarrassed for our country. A great many people seem to have lost their ability to discern right from wrong and good from evil.Yes I do. He keeps injecting himself after having said goodbye on numerous occasions.
How much credit does he deserve for being a war here 40 years ago?
It is 2018 and we have a president trying to do good for the country and he is making this a personal vendetta...very disgraceful for a sitting senator.
He wrote a book, made a documentary...what else does he want...
Choose his successor...?Just where do you get off on criticizing a man who served his country honorably, in the military and in the Senate for most of his life. You simply don't like him because he is one of the few from the Right standing up to your hero Spanky. Most of the cons are so terrified of the Liar-in-chief they won't say anything even if they think he's wrong. Is that what you want Jack, a dictator? A country full of yes men would suit you fine I suppose.
What ...........Randy standing up for a veteran ?
I almost can't believe it .No, but there was a time in our past where our disputes ends at our borders. Foreign affairs were left to the commander in chief. He was elected by the people and deserves to have the chance to try out his policies...
His policies, or Putin's? They seem to be the same from my viewpoint. Putie wants disruption with our allies. Bingo, Spanky achieves this by insulting the leaders of those countries and also starting a trade war with them and our neighbors. We may as well have Putin calling the shots directly!
Jack, I did not hear the idea of "president" in charge of foreign policy when the GOP congress and Netenyahu was "end running" Obama a couple of years ago?
You are so nakedly partisan, but shroud it all in this facade of evenmindedness and reasonableness. It ain't makin' it.Obama was interfering with Israel’s relections trying to unseat Netanyahu. He was breaking our laws and the GOP did not hold him accountable.
As I said, the policy of not criticizing our commander in chief on foreign policy ended many moons ago and back to George Bush Sr. Ever since then, we have both parties playing politics. The worst in my mind was the Iraq war. At first, 90% of Congress was behind it and inly when the war went south did the Democrats changed their tune and called Bush a liar...to get us into the war...which they all voted for and supported...Why did the Democrats turn on Bush, Jack? They found out they'd been lied to about WMDs, just like Spanky is lying on a daily basis about a variety of issues. Do you admire liars, Jack?
No, they played politics while America soldiers died. Bush did not lie about WMD...All believed in the intelligence, I can show you quotes from Clinton to Kerry right on down to Democrats who all said there were WMD and we needed to remove Sadam. You are trying to rewrite history and I am calling you out.
You haven't forgot about Vietnam, have you, Jack? None of this is new. If you have any awareness of American history, there have been dissent as part and parcel of all of our armed conflicts. Maybe WW II was a noted exception.
Obama had reason to be concerned that Netanyahu was less than a honest broker in regards to our involvement in efforts to negotiate a peace in the region. I am not impressed by right wing propaganda saying otherwise. I agreed with the former president 100 percent.While there will always be dissenters in every war, I don't think it amounted to much until after WWII, when we began policing the world. Prior to that I rather think there was mostly support; WWII, WWI, 1812, civil war, etc.
It was that bit of playing world policeman rather than US protector that raised hackles.That does not explained what happened with the Iraq War?
How is criticizing policy a personal vendetta? You seem to have a problem with McCain, a long-standing, respected U.S. Senator and veteran hero who continues to serve his country by speaking out against the dangerous policies of an untethered president.
The Iraq War was a monumental mistake that cowardly Democratic politicians supported because they feared appearing weak. Many knew the intelligence was flawed but didn't want to stand up to the Iraq War cheerleaders for fear of being called unpatriotic or even a traitor. One Republican (Lincoln Chafee) and 22 Democratic senators voted against invading Iraq.
McCain is merely speaking his true thoughts at the end of his life and career when he has nothing to lose. If only politicians would show such courage as a matter of course, we would not have invaded Iraq and unnecessarily wasted lives and resources.
I am appealed that you could imply McCain is a traitor while you applaud and defend the lying, Putin @ss kisser who would sell us out in a heartbeat to enrich himself.Just curious, but how did those Democratic senators that knew the WMD intelligence was flawed know it? Did they have alternate sources of investigative information they didn't share? Did they have their own CIA working in Iraq? Had they gone there themselves, spending several years poking around secret warehouses, tunnels, etc.?
What difference does that make, Dan? They were correct weren't they? No WMDs were found despite the lies and propaganda spread by the Republican Administration. And this one is much worse that the Bush term with even more propaganda and BS.
As our own soldiers were injured by WMD's dug out of the ground after the war, I can't say they were "correct".
But what does it matter? When congress begins to make foreign policy on either outright guesses or from political dislike of opponents it matters a great deal. Or would you rather have the gestapo knocking on your door because they "guess" that something illegal is going on without needing any evidence to support it?
Running our country is not based on "guesses" or "knowing" something that is actually unsupported belief because it fits with party platforms. Or at least it should be - we see more and more action being taken based on nothing but guesswork.So you're counting land mines as WMDs now, Dan? I remember there being some Dems in the meeting showing the evidence for going to war who disagreed with the so-called proof of WMDs present in Iraq, but weren't allowed to release the classified info to the public.
The entire Iraq invasion was a scam perpetrated by Bush and his VP to get access to the oil fields and enrich Haliburton in the process. Didn't you vote for Dubya? Twice?
"Some opponents of the war also believed that there would be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and thus there was little reason for an invasion. Prominent among these was Scott Ritter, a former U.S. military intelligence officer and then a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq, and who in 1998 had been hawkish enough toward Iraq as to be admonished by U.S. Senator Joe Biden, "
"On July 28, 2002, less than eight months before the invasion of Iraq, the Washington Post reported that "many senior U.S. military officers" including members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed an invasion on the grounds that the policy of containment was working.[9]
A few days later, Gen. Joseph P. Hoar (Ret.) warned the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the invasion was risky and perhaps unnecessary.
In a 2002 book, Scott Ritter, a Nuclear Weapons Inspector in Iraq from 1991–98, argued against an invasion and expressed doubts about the Bush Administration's claims that Saddam Hussein had a WMD capability.[11] He later accused the Bush administration of deliberately misleading the public. "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit … e_Iraq_War
--"I don't oppose all wars...What I am opposed to is a dumb war...A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics," then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama October 2002.
How did they know it? I knew ir, because I read a lot. I assume all senators knew way more than I did. They were simply afraid of appearing weak on terrorism"Some opponents of the war also believed that there would be no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"
The terminology used was "know", not "believe".
"A few days later, Gen. Joseph P. Hoar (Ret.) warned the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the invasion was risky and perhaps unnecessary."
A retired general, out of the intelligence loop, thinks the war might be unnecessary is knowledge there were no WMD's? I don't think so...
"opposed an invasion on the grounds that the policy of containment was working"
Some people thought containment was working...and that proves there were no WMD's? I don't think so...and I think the Kurds would agree with me.
That Senator Obama thought it was a dumb war is solid evidence there were no WMD's? I don't think so...
You read a lot (including top secret military intelligence briefings?) and you assume that congress knows more than you do - I don't see that as evidence congress knew there were WMD's, either.
Bottom line is that nothing you have presented here has anything to do with congress knowing Iraq had no WMD's. Not even that a nuclear weapons inspector that quit the job 5 years before the war started had doubts that Iraq had chemical, biological or other WMD's.
Want to try again, with something showing certain congressional members had knowledge there were no WMD's?Those who "believed" there were no WMD were right.
Your response is exactly what I expected.Fair enough - so was yours. You made a statement, I asked for evidence it was true and you posted a bunch of irrelevant stuff about different matters.
Followed by a claim we found no WMD's...in the face of proof positive we did.Surely, you are not justifying the invasion of Iraq. What gives us the right?
I am not.
Follow the post back; My first was responding to PP's claim that some Democratic congressmen somehow "knew" there were no WMD's before the war started, and I asked how they knew. Turns out they didn't know anything of the sort - it was just a convenient claim to make a Republican president look bad for accepting evidence from our intelligence department.
Nowhere have I addressed whether we should have been there or not.He was a threat to the region...he had used WMD in the past and he could use it again to pass it on to terrorist groups... he claim he had WMD and bragged about them. The UN inspectors were prevented from doing their inspections... go read all the claims to the run up of the Iraq war,,,it was not a rush, they took their time and gave him plenty of opportunity to come clean...
Everyone was on board in the beginning until later when it dragged on and with setbacks...thst is when many democrats changed their tune...Y'all are proving my position that many of the people whose judgment was wrong about the war, and still won't admit it, are the same damned people whose poor judgment inflicted Trump upon the rest of us.
I don't care for this globocop thing, Jack, it sticks in my craw and rubs against my basic instincts. You sound like the broken record of every neo-con.
I wasn't on board. I was against this from the beginning just as, then, Senator Obama was.How many tyrannical and brutal dictatorships are there on the planet? I have neither the time nor resources to run down every bad guy.
What is it with you conservatives and this "Duddly Do Right" stuff? Global domination disguised as mere regime change?
If there is a UN enforced mandate involved, the UN should lead the Calvary . This entire thing was some sort of geopolitical slight of hand that had nothing to do with the weapons that Saddam had acquired. Why were we not going after North Korea under the same pretext?
Another case of why conservatives and progressives are on opposite poles, and why Trump has to go.The ex CEO, and then VP's former company made billions--if not more--on subcontracting the Iraq invasion. The same folks who voted for Dubya are now backing Spanky. Do they ever learn from their mistakes? NO!!
You might be the few small minority that was against the Iraq war from the start. But be honest, there were plenty of Democrats on board...
Here is the bottom line, if Bush did not act post 9/11, and if we had another twrrorist atrack traced back to Saddam, Bush would have been impeached...(yes or no?). The same politicians will come out and accuses him of not acting to defend our homeland...
Bush was caught between a rock and a hard place...
To play monday morning quarterback using our military as the pawn is just unfair.
Who knew the reconstruction of Iraq was going to be too much?
We gave the people of Iraq at dmocracy and it failed...That was their mistake to avoid appearing "soft" on terrorism so soon after 9/11. To decimate the GOP in the future, we are going to have to be much more earnest, not backslide from our values one inch.
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Here is the bottom line, if Bush did not act post 9/11, and if we had another twrrorist atrack traced back to Saddam, Bush would have been impeached...(yes or no?). The same politicians will come out and accuses him of not acting to defend our homeland...
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Does that support a pre-emptive strike? The Bush Doctrine at its heart was both arrogant and belligerent. If, maybe and but....., those are grounds for aggression on our part? I was at war with Al quida for the 9-11 attacks, not Norway. I expect a little discernment by those in authority to select the correct antagonist.
It is just an "excuse" to "regime change" under the guise of bringing democracy to an oppressed people. I am not sure that we are maintaining democratic values here, let alone imposing them somewhere on the other side of the planet. Bush was just saber rattling as Republicans love diversionary conflicts of this nature.I don’t wish to re-letigate the Iraq war.
You did not answer the question.
The Iraq war was politicized by the left to gain political power.
That was one of the reason Obama won the presidency over your guy John McCain.
By the way, Obama at the time was a jr. Senator having only served 2 years and having no executive experience to speak of...
He was elected to turn the page on the Iraq war and because he was the forst black president.
His lack of experience and his progressive failed policies brought us Trump.The Iraq war was politicized by the left to gain political power.
The Iraq war should not have happened in the first place, and if it had not, there would have been nothing to politicize.
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That was one of the reason Obama won the presidency over your guy John McCain.
Yes, and justifiably so. I voted for Obama over McCain, of course. But 'my guy' is at least a MAN, not somebody that is merely passing for one.
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By the way, Obama at the time was a jr. Senator having only served 2 years and having no executive experience to speak of...
Compared with Donald Trump, with NO political experience, whatsoever? That phony empire Trump Empire hardly qualifies him. What the bonehead is finally figuring out is that there is a quite a chasm between how things are done in Washington as opposed to the Trump Towers.
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He was elected to turn the page on the Iraq war and because he was the forst black president.
More conservative claptrap, given the disasterous GOP policies that were responsible for the tsunami of 2008, anyone, even Mickey Mouse could defeat any Republican candidate. But now, we have Donald Duck. His being black had nothing with it, why you guys keep beating that dead horse is beyond me?
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His lack of experience and his progressive failed policies brought us Trump.
Trump takes us to the verge of the authoritarian state and fascism in America, you will wish that you had Obama back. I am most satisfied with Obama but if he had more boldly confronted the GOP instead of being so conciliatory with them, we would have accomplished more.
----------------That’s funny. Didn’t they made the same comment about George W Bush? “Missed me yet?”
Executive experience is very different than political experience.
My point about Obama is that he did not have executive experience where he had to make tough decisions and meet a payroll...
He voted “present” in many of the State legislature prior to becoming a Senator...
He also could not make a fast decisive decision. He postponed the vote on the Keystone Pipeline until the Canadians cancelled it...and then he voted against it. It took Trump to move it forward...just one example.How's the border BS working out for your idol, Jack? Is Hannity now the Minister of Propaganda? I missed him today, but I'm sure you can fill me in on his take of the situation. Let me guess, Spanky has everything under control!
This is the same stuff that happened with Reagan. During the 1980s, the media made homelessness a problem and claimed it was Reagan’s policies that created that crisis...
Guess what? The homeless is still there under all administrations...
The border problem was there all the years of Obama and the media made no mention of families being torn apart...
Now that Trump is in office and trying to solve this problem, he is at fault...and the Congress gets a pass... I am not buying it and the American people is not buying it. This problem with the illegal immigrants coming to our southern borders has been going on for years and the convoy from central America got worse under Obama...he practically invited them to come in huge numbers because he decided it was humane...
Well the chickens have come home to roost...Couldn't have stated that better Jack. Reagan , as with all true leaders , gets the left's blame game because they are ill prepared to understand just how ineffectively government runs anything . AND , how true progress requires actual action and not rhetoric .
That's more Fox BS, Jack! Spanky created this problem on his own, Children WERE NOT removed from their parents under Obama's orders unless their parents were charged with felony drug charges or some such.
You can spin this as an excuse but the world knows better. Spanky painted himself into a corner with this fiasco and had to sign an EO to try and appease those angry with his policy. He didn't have to issue an EO either, but you know how he likes to sign his name. He screwed up, get over it!
Have you seen the photos? Did Fox photoshop those photos?
Or are those the same problems that have existed forever in this immigration crisis that was ignored for 20 plus years?
You seem to have this obsession with Fox news which is unhealthy.
The world does not revolve around fox.
For you to blame fox for everything and ignore the rest of the fake news is astounding.
This was a manufactured crisis to go after Trump and to distract the people from paying attention to the real news of the IG report that was announced late last Thursday and the hearings going on since.
The report was shocking and if you really care about the state of the republic, you should be more upset by their findings and expose.Did you even read what I wrote, Jack? Once more, the only children separated from their parents under Obama were those whose parents committed felonies of some sort which prohibits their children from going to prison with them. Spanky takes children away because of a MISDEMEANOR.
Do I need to simplify it even further, Jack? Or do you get it now?I read what you said and do you think this problem just popped up this past week?
In politics, a wise man once said, there is no coincidence or accidents. Everything in polictics happen by design.
Just like with the homeless under Reagan, the American people were lead to believe that it was Reagan’s policies that created them. The truth be damned...
You can believe the media all you want and react to the emotions of the Time magazine cover...
I want a long term solution to this problem and the execute order is not the way to go.Yes, the problem with taking children from their parents for a misdemeanor did indeed "just pop up last week" when your idol ordered Sessions to do just that.
So what’s your answer? Let them all in...give us your poor and huddled masses...
Would you share your house with an undocumented family?
How about their healhcare and schooling?By the way he is not my idol and I disagree with his new executive order...
I prefer Congress enact laws to deal with this long term issue as it is their Constitutional duty.The ignorance of ANY culture of people walking their children through the deserts incredible dangers and human exploitations deserves nothing less than separation of supposed " families", A US . citizen and family go through no less scrutiny of child - family care and it's inherent responsibilities in life .
Why are these people to be the exception ?
We've been down this road before. You continue to claim WMDs were found when they were not, a pattern of yours that continues to this day.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/no-wmds-in-iraq/
There were plenty of reputable people who did not believe Iraq still had WMDs in the lead up to the war. The administration dismissed them because they were dead set on toppling Saddam even though he had nothing to do with 9/11.
If politicians are going to send other people to die for their cause, they should be very certain of their facts.
Kennedy also lead us to the brink of nuclear war , marched into Viet Nam , demanded concessions from our trading partners , worked to protect our borders , believed in a strong defense , ....................
Hey , does that not make Trump "a REAL leader ."?
Note bias here ;.............................................................A leader by definition, leads.
He rely on advisors and weigh all options and make an informed decision.
That is what Trump does all his adult life.
Just because most economist do not agree with the trade policy or tariffs, does not mean there is no better way. Many evonomists have been wrong in the past. It is not an exact science...
Trump and Reagan have shown real guts and buck the tread and conventional thinking
And time will tell if he is successful or not.Credence, what do you think of the latest news on North Korea?
Does Trump get any credit for this?
Does it warrant the Nobel peace prize?
Will John McCain praise Trump for this bold initiative?
So many questions...Jack,
As I once told you, I will give President Trump credit when it is due. And I give him credit for doing something right, for once. I reserve judgement as to the real nature of concessions made between the parties. After that has been properly assessed, then we can talk about a Nobel Peace Prize. But, I have to give him credit for opening the door once thought as unopenable.
But, It would have been nice for him to have informed South Korea and let them know in advanced that he intended to use part of their agreement with the US as a bargaining chip.
Why is it wrong for the US to secure its own borders while countries like Mexico and almost all other nations defend their borders against their neighbors?
No, it is not wrong at all. But if everybody acted exclusively on self interest, we all would have destroyed ourselves and the planet decades ago.When have we exclusively acted in our own interests?
We faught in wars defending some of the nations in the G7...
We give foreign aid annually millions to our allies...and 3 rd world nations...
Our people donate generously to charities that operate all over the world including catholic charities and the Red cross...
We help defend Europe and korea and a slew of bases around the world...
This notion that “we are the problem” is old and just not true...
Obama and his lead from behind foreign policies has demostrated the failure of that thinking.
When America doesn’t lead, the world suffers... look to Syria and see the refugee crisis...
And ISIS...
How is he helping them?
You and the people pushing the Russian Collusion theory are the problem...
I always held McCain in high regards but understood that he's an independent bordering on a Democratic ideology . McCain is also a globalist in trade and as trade goes we need both , a globalist negotiation and a localised protection mentality . Trump right now is negotiating locally for the global betterment of US. in trade . America's economy naturally works successfully towards the subsidization of all others in the trade world , to the actual DETRIMENT of our economy at times ., especially on the lower end of the mfg markets ,
McCain feels , as many do , that that subsidization is a part of the P.R game for our image , no matter apparently what the cost is in US jobs .I received this message as a response to a submission to the whitehouse.gov site...
McCain at this time kind of has to be ignored , I mean the guy has serious brain cancer for one , so what he says about his obvious dislike of Trump in many ways is a mute point . Other than that I have been politically disappointed in McCain several times . I know McCain IS a military hero albeit a controversial one even among veterans and I understand that , still I admire him .
At least McCain is vocal in his opposition where the remaining senate works behind the scenes to sabotage Trump too often . Look at Joe Biden and the family riches he's made in economic trade with China ? There iS a traitor . His son is enriching them both by trade subterfuge with China WHILE Joe is in actual trade negotiations !!!!.
Here is the specific quote by John McCain that I have a problem with...
So Senator McCain is not only speaking for himself, but for a host of Americans, who is against the Trade policies changes proposed by President Trump.
Who is he standing with? The G6... our Trade partners. And which Americans? The lobbyists and big donors and Jeff Bezos?
If he only said- “I disagree with these trade proposals by Trump...” I would have no issues.
As a sitting Senator, he is free to disagree with current Administration policies...
I hope people with clear thinking minds can see the difference. Regardless whether he is sick or dying from cancer, he does not get a pass for these cheap shots.What great patriot you are, Jack. Believing a draft dodging pathological liar over an American patriot who suffered for is country is about right for you Spanky voters. Sick!!
You of course could have reversed that entire line exchanging the two names , Trump McCain twenty years ago Randy , you were there and you know it too doncha ' !
Liberal hypocrisy - the term that you swallow whole.You are entitled to your opinion but I am also entitled to my.
Keep your diagnosis to your self... it is a sign of the problem in America. Everyone thinks they are the only sane person around.Compared to Spanky, they may be correct, Jack!
Believe it or not, I judge each issue based on merit.
In the case of trade, I side with anyone that have a successful business career over a career politician who has never worked a day in the private sector.
I can compartmentalize just as well as anybody.
In case you missed it, I support an America first agenda whether it is coming from the right or the left...
This comes down to several key issues...
1. Trade,
2. Deficits and debts
3. Defense
4. Border control
5. Infrastructure
6. Commerce and jobs and taxes...
7. Healthcare and welfare
8. EducationI assume you're happy with the stock market's reaction to Spankys new tariffs then, Jack. And equally elated children are being separated from their parents due to another Spanky ploy? And the trillion and a half debt given to the rich was a great move as well. I hope you're happy about paying it back. You are a sharp cookie, Jack.
Randy, stop with the talking points...it is getting stale.
I am fine with the current stock market. It will go up and down with economic cycle and interest rate hikes and trade deals... it is what a normal enonomy does...
As for the immigration deal, it was Barack Obama that instituted these policies. These children should be taken from their parents for their own safety.
You have no solutions except to bash Trump every chance you get. I get it.
Too bad, your side lost and must sit at the back of the bus for a period - as Obama once said...
We will see if Trump can deliver on his promises.
If he succeed, guess what, you will benefit along with the rest of America.
Just when you thought things could not get worse...
We see this being revealed...
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 … cain_.htmlAnd yet , The left will tell you that there is no" deep state " ? NOooooo.
Now it begins to make sense...
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 … up-expert/Letter to Congressmen and Senators...
Dear XXXXX,
Today I learned that Henry Kerner, a former John McCain staffer, was an active participant and planner in the Illegal IRS targeting of the Tea Party and citizens affiliated with the Tea Party.
Incredibly, I also found out that Kerner is Special Counsel in charge of all “whistle-blowing” witnesses and cases of government corruption.
I am writing to tell you that I expect your immediate, public and aggressive demands for the IMMEDIATE firing and removal from office of Henry Kerner. This man urged the IRS to conduct ILLEGAL partisan political activities intended to deprive American citizens of our First Amendment RIGHT to petition the government for redress of grievances. Incredibly, he is now in a position to cover up, thwart and hinder investigations into activities he participated in.
As a member of Congress, you have the MORAL OBLIGATION to insure that the laws in this country are followed AND, as an elected official, to oversee the activities of the government to help insure that our First Amendment rights are protected. There is no excuse for his actions. NONE. And you have NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to avoid YOUR responsibility to represent the citizens in your district and D*E*M*A*N*D the immediate firing and removal from office of Henry Kerner.
You are on notice. I vote in EVERY election. I urge my friends and acquaintances to vote. Your failure to act on this issue will be your downfall.
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH! We are tired of the lying, tired of the obfuscation, tired of the corruption, tired of the dishonesty and tired of the betrayal of us, the Citizens of the United States.
DO YOUR JOB!!! If you don’t, we will remove you from office and put someone in who WILL represent the interest of the Citizens of the State of Alabama.
ARE YOU LISTENING?
If you wish to talk further with me about this, I will GLADLY talk to you.
Yours truly,
Bryan Alexander, American Citizen and Active, Registered Voter
Senator John McCain past away today. Rest in peace. Amen.
If either if you could provide one, just one, REPUTABLE source with economists supporting Trump's perspective on this issue, explained with supporting data, I would be open to listening.
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago
0"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else."--Theodore Roosevelt
Trump is walking away from the alliance of free nations while cozying up to a murdering dictator. What do you call that?Do you think that Donald Trump is the first U.S. president to "cozy up" to a murdering dictator for world peace? I believe you need to think about FDR's relationship with the murdering dictator Stalin. You could even look at the relationship between Nixon and China's murdering dictator Chairman Mao Zedong.Then there is the relationship between the U.S. and Spain's Farncisco Franco. Yeah, world peace has caused some people to get their hands a bit dirty.
Give McCain a break. He's at a point in his life where speaking his mind means more than it once did. Where true opinions will not affect his political career. And, it's been my experience that this stage puts people in a position to court controversy. I can find no fault.
I wish he would take a break from politics.
He has made mistakes and if he had won when he ran for President, he can do what he wants on foreign policy. Now is not his turn and he should learn to respect someone who did win against all odds.
Just perhaps, the American people knew better...He's an old man who has a terminal illness. I'm willing to cut him some slack.
Damn, that is nobly tolerant of you. Would you do the same if he were just "old," or is it the combination of also being terminally ill that warranted that slack?
GA
The problem is that John McCain is a U.S. Senator. His salary is paid for by the U.S. taxpayer. That alone obligates him to support the president of the United States against all other countries. He is NOT a private citizen. If you are a general in the military and you start helping a foreign army at the expense of your own, you would be fired and possibly brought up on charges. What John McCain is doing benefits the enemies of the United States. He needs to read his oath of office and see if he is actually fulfilling his duties. Based on McCain's recent behavior, I'd have to say no.
Mike, there is a difference between a obligation of a military officer and a senator. The Senator is not in the President's back pocket. Legislative Branch is part of the check and balances, not just a rubber stamp for the Executive Branch. As a former member of the Armed Forces, I followed orders of those appointed above me, not engage in politics. What McCain as well as several other Senators are doing is criticizing the President's moves and questioning the motives behind them. That is what I expect them to do. No one seemed to have an issue with this while GOP Congressmen criticized Obama during his term?
Well said, Cred! I have great respect for McCain, the man and the hero.
There was a time in America when our poltical debate ends at our borders. Foreign policy was delegated to the executive branch. We speak with one voice behind the president. I guess those days are no more. It started with Bush and the Iraq war...
That would include the incident during the Obama Admin. with Netanyahu and the GOP controlled congress failing to remember that it is the President that takes the initiative in Foreign Policy.
I have a long memory there, Jack
Yes, those days are no more, such has been the case for true bipartisan cooperation in Washington, also.I didn't vote for him either, Jack. Obama inherited his mess and cleaned it up for your idol Spanky to take credit for. Too bad he won't have Obama to blame for his poor statesmanship with our --possibly former--allies.
".......Obama cleaned up the mess ".............that's truly brilliant reasoning , just ask the people of Libya , Syria , Iraq , Afghanistan ,........ask China about how much interest we owe on our debt ,yea he cleaned up all right , but pouring acid on a mess doesn't really clean it up , it just makes it uglier .
What if he succeeds? Just what if?
What will you do? Move to France?
You have allowed your hatred for this man to cloud your judgement.
I pity you.
I believe McCain can criticize Trump to other Senators, CNN, Congressmen, Trump's wife, the Seattle Seahawks as well as any other American. He crosses a line when he does it in public to the leader of a foreign country. McCain has a history of crossing the line. He contacted the Australian Prime Minister without Trump's authorization to negotiate on behalf of the U.S. Government. That is NOT his job and may be against the law. know he has brain cancer and is on his deathbed, so we'll have to put up with his antics for awhile longer.
"I believe McCain can criticize Trump to other Senators, CNN, Congressmen, Trump's wife, the Seattle Seahawks as well as any other American. He crosses a line when he does it in public to the leader of a foreign country. McCain has a history of crossing the line. He contacted the Australian Prime Minister without Trump's authorization to negotiate on behalf of the U.S. Government. That is NOT his job and may be against the law. know he has brain cancer and is on his deathbed, so we'll have to put up with his antics for awhile longer."
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Seems like Obama had to deal with much of the same "disrespect" when Netanyahu was accepted by the GOP dominated congress to address their body, allowing Netanyahu to end run the President and avoiding the appropriate diplomatic channels a couple of years ago. This was in regard to the Obama's Iran agreement. So, I don't see any difference, even though you would. There is an always an appropriate excuse for untoward behavior by Republicans, but when Democrats or the left does it, it becomes treason?Credence, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. If Congress refuses a request to by a foreign leader, especially an ally, to speak at a joint session, it would break protocol that started in the 1700s when Frances's top general came to speak to the Continental Congress. Obama doesn't get to change diplomatic protocol in place for centuries. No other president event attempted it. I believe there is a big difference on voicing an opinion on the result of an ongoing negotiation and listening to a foreign leader plead his case on how a deal could be dangerous for his country and region. In one case McCain was providing a public opinion and in the other Congress was listening. I think this is a big difference.
Like Spanky follows protocol, Mike! Seen his taxes yet?
Couldn’t care less about Trump’s taxes...
If he can bring jobs back to America, balance our trade, reduce regulations that limit our competitiveness, cut our tax burden and add to our 401k value... he is doing his job which no democrats can...I wasn't speaking to you, Jack. Mike brought up the lack of protocol and I simply reminded him Spanky isn't too hot on it either. Of course You don't care about his taxes, you don't care if he's in bed with Putin either.
I think some people need to work on learning the meaning behind the term "Diplomatic Protocol" or even the word "protocol."
I think someone shouldn't use the word protocol if they don't wish it to come back bite them on the butt either, Mike.
Randy, so let me ask you a serious question -
What do you think is more important to the American people?
Protocol? Taxes? Or money in their pockets and jobs...Protocol is very important in government, Jack. It isn't as important in the business world, but Spanky isn't in charge of a private business where he can insult those he wishes to deal with. He's snubbed his nose at things former Presidents paid heed to, like ripping apart Oval Office memos and reports which have always been saved for historical purposes.
Not surprising at all for someone not familiar with either protocol or a historical sense of duty. But then, you like it....
I suppose if you had low taxes, a good job, and money in your pocket you wouldn't care if Spanky was a dictator.How is Trump acting like a dictator? You are deluding yourself. Trump is doing exactly what a president of a country should do? He is defending our country against foreign traders taking avantage of our inbalance and illegal immigrants coming to our land uninvited...
The president of Mexico and Canada is doing the same thing for their country...
If Trump is a dictator, what does that make Castro of Cuba? Or Kim Yung Un of North Korea?
You are mixing up the language and it makes you seem irrational.
If you don’t like Trump’s policies and you have a better idea how to fix our economy, let’s hear it...
I am waiting with all ears.We have a trade surplus with Canada Jack, no matter what your idol says. He mentions a 200+% tariff on our dairy products, but fails to mention we have a 300+% on tobacco products. Put that in your ears.
Him throwing a hissy fit when he doesn't get his way only makes him look more like a child than anything. What will he do if the G7 becomes the G7+1, soil his undies?I get so weary of correcting Spanky lovers who simply parrot Hannity and Limbaugh. They simply do not realize Fox News is an ENTERTAINMENT channel.
Fox news presents more balanced news than CNN and MSNBC and NYT. But then again, you think they are the only true news...
To a progressive, the NYT is their bible...all the news that’s fit to print...
I have news for you. The NYT is left of center and has been for a very long time. They are the anomaly.
With the election of Trump, they have gone off the rails.
It is a good thing for the rest of America. Now we are seeing for what they really are.Fox News sux, Jack. Hannity and others on the show have no journalistic nor political experience whatsoever. I also watch the "entertainment" show for simply that. You actually take it seriously. Yes, I watch and listen to Fox and other Rightwing outlets to really get a balanced view of reality. "Fair and Balanced" is as true of Fox News as it is for your hero Spanky.
This is irrefutably the most despicable and revolting discussion I've seen here and I'd be shocked if HubPages let's this debasing of a great American hero continue, I just might leave this place because of it which would make some right wing radicals very happy I'd assume:
FYI: There is ZERO evidence to support the ridiculous lie that Senator John McCain is a traitor, he served admirably in VietNam while Mr. Trump cowardly dodged military service several times by complaining that his little feet ached: So if anyone is seriously interested in obstructing the most dangerous betrayer in our nations history, look no further than the impostor sitting in our oval office:
Mentally disturbed Mr. Trump enjoying a belly laugh with our Russian spy enemies while we are at war with them for espionage and stealing secret information belonging to Americans, then divulging classified intel to them in our oval office: The textbook definition of a traitor:
- ahorsebackposted 5 years ago0
"IT"S THE ECONOMY STUPID " came out of the Bill Clinton era , And it is the blazing economy that will re-elect Trump , period . Of course those of us who have been around awhile know what a REAL lack of jobs is , a REAL lack of entitlement spending like the stimulus programs ., a lack of college loans , etc........
Even IF the younger ,more entitled employees at all levels can't appreciate the success' of Trump's economy , the corporations , wall street and the high dollar donors will ensure that four more Trump years happens , as we all know it isn't just votes that elect a resident of the white house . - ahorsebackposted 5 years ago0
Fox is the one conservative channel and it beats the living snot out of the rest in ratings , Now why is that ? Because of Kimberleys legs or Dana's hair , because of Laura's laugh ? No.
It's because they speak to the majority of America , without telling us that "group thought and group act" is the only way that we can understand and act upon the realities of the world today .
It's called independent thought and analysis .
Liberals should try that , even just once. Here is an article that explains what we should care about... all of us Americans.
https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/22/trum … ore-trust/- ahorsebackposted 5 years ago0
Only our" Pravda Media" would use a dead hero to criticize a live leader , It just proves to me that Fake News is alive and well and not properly lubricating its cooling towers ., The great Fake Media Melt Down is coming ...................CNN-Noble !
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