Two doctors believe Trump' behavior is beyond narcissism

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   peoplepower73posted 14 months ago

   This is from Chauncey DeVega who is a senior politics writer for Salon.
   
   
   I asked Dr. Justin Frank, author of the book "Trump on the Couch," for his thoughts about the CNN recording of Trump talking about the top secret and other classified documents in his possession. He told me via email that "Trump's behavior is far beyond simple narcissism."
   
   I also asked Dr. Lance Dodes, who is a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a training and supervising analyst emeritus at the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute, for his insights about Trump's behavior and apparent inability to be quiet about violating the Espionage Act and committing other crimes. Dr. Dodes explained to me via email that:
   
   https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=58

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      MariaMontgomeryposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I said in 2015 that he was a psychopath and a narcissist. Few believed me at the time.Thank you for publishing this.

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         peoplepower73posted 14 months agoin reply to this

         Maria:  You are welcome.  I suspect Trumpers won't read this post, they are afraid of the truth.

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            MariaMontgomeryposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            They probably won't. He has fooled so many people.

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      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Quote from the article --  "The traitor ex-president Donald Trump is going to be put on trial for allegedly violating the Espionage Act and committing other serious crimes such as conspiracy and obstruction of justice."
      
      First I found this view (the author shared) not only biased, but actually Trump has not been proven in any court of law to be a traitor. This is actually slander.
      
      There was one very blatant bit of misinformation that stuck out in the first part of the article.
      
      Quote  from the article --  "Trump's behavior is far beyond simple narcissism."
      
      "For example, in a Tuesday morning post on his Truth Social disinformation social media website, Trump raged against special counsel Jack Smith, threatening his family like some type of mafia boss:"
      
      COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE DERANGED, TRUMP HATING JACK SMITH, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS FRIENDS, THAT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I COME UNDER THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, AS AFFIRMED BY THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE, NOT BY THIS PSYCHOS' FANTASY OF THE NEVER USED BEFORE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917."
      
      Please offer in your view --- what is the threat?
      
      Threat ---  a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done. "members of her family have received death threats"
      
      No real comment on the rest of the article, the author has the right to share his biases, in a hyperbolic fashion.

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         peoplepower73posted 14 months agoin reply to this

         Sharlee:  Thanks for the definition of a threat.  I think Trump's rant qualifies for this portion of threat.   or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done. "
         
         I'm surprised, you are so good at doing research, but you didn't do research on The Sock act that Trump was babbling about.  Here it is and why it doesn't  apply to Trump's case.
         
         https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states … nt-defense
         
         
         Read this as well.  It describes while Trump is not a spy, he is being charged under the espionage act.
         
         https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics … index.html

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            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            You have fully diverted from my question --- this can get frustrating, and even hard to put up a polite front. Here was my question, let's deal with this specific issue, this statement where Trump is accused of being threatening.
            
            Here is his statement ---
            
            "COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE DERANGED, TRUMP HATING JACK SMITH, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS FRIENDS, THAT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I COME UNDER THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, AS AFFIRMED BY THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE, NOT BY THIS PSYCHOS' FANTASY OF THE NEVER USED BEFORE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917."
            
            Please offer in your view --- what is the threat?
            
            I think you need to defend the very article you posted, not move on to two other issues.

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               peoplepower73posted 14 months agoin reply to this

               Sharlee:  "You said what is the threat."  I told you it as defined under the definition that you posted as a threat: or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done. "
               
               M - Isn't Trump's rant a retribution against Jack Smith's family and friends a hostile action, not done?
               
               S- Quote from the article --  "The traitor ex-president Donald Trump is going to be put on trial for allegedly violating the Espionage Act and committing other serious crimes such as conspiracy and obstruction of justice."
               
               S - First I found this view (the author shared) not only biased, but actually Trump has not been proven in any court of law to be a traitor. This is actually slander.
               
               M - He is going to be charged for espionage under the law, I posted. The "sock case" does not apply to Trump's situation under the laws in the link I posted. This law does not require someone to be a traitor, in order to be charged under  USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap37-sec793(e).
               
               I did not move onto two other issues.  Those were the issues you offered as I interpreted them.  I was trying to answer them in good faith. I'm not going to try to defend the entire article. 
               
               If you don't like it that is your problem, not mine. All one has to do is honestly look at Trump's behavior and one can see that the two shrinks are being accurate in their assessment of him.

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                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I addressed the article you ordered period. Nothing more or nothing less. Your response makes no sense in my view. Sorry. My comment was very straight forth and I asked one question. You offered a couple more articles, I am not willing to discuss.  The conversation is one-sided, you can't back up the original article so you move on.
                  
                  Here is my response to your original OP.  It would clearly seem you won't address the Trump quote, and where he threatened anyone.
                  
                  "SHARLEE01 WROTE:
                  Quote from the article --  "The traitor ex-president Donald Trump is going to be put on trial for allegedly violating the Espionage Act and committing other serious crimes such as conspiracy and obstruction of justice."
                  
                  First I found this view (the author shared) not only biased, but actually Trump has not been proven in any court of law to be a traitor. This is actually slander.
                  
                  There was one very blatant bit of misinformation that stuck out in the first part of the article.
                  
                  Quote  from the article --  "Trump's behavior is far beyond simple narcissism."
                  
                  "For example, in a Tuesday morning post on his Truth Social disinformation social media website, Trump raged against special counsel Jack Smith, threatening his family like some type of mafia boss:"
                  
                  COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE DERANGED, TRUMP HATING JACK SMITH, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS FRIENDS, THAT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I COME UNDER THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, AS AFFIRMED BY THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE, NOT BY THIS PSYCHOS' FANTASY OF THE NEVER USED BEFORE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917."
                  
                  Please offer in your view --- what is the threat?
                  
                  Threat ---  a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done. "members of her family have received death threats"
                  
                  No real comment on the rest of the article, the author has the right to share his biases, in a hyperbolic fashion."
                  
                  I will be honest, I should not have entered the thread, I have a truly biased view of the Chauncey DeVega the author, as well as the site Salon.  My apologies.

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                     peoplepower73posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                     Sharlee:  When it comes to truth and facts about Trump, the Trumpets can't handle the truth and facts. The mafia bosses were innocent for many years as their underlings went to jail, but they finally caught up with them. 
                     
                     Trump is in that same boat. Trump just happens to have a lot of money and he buys his way out charges by using his high paid lawyers. 
                     
                     But Jack Smith is still working to charge him on two fronts.  Jan. 6 and the  mishandling of classified documents that put this country at risk with foreign entities. 
                     
                     You and I can steal a loaf of bread and go to jail, but if you have enough money, like Trump you can delay the proceedings or settle out of court,  But the fact is you stole the loaf of bread. Evidence shows Trump instigated Jan. 6 and mishandled those documents...no matter how you slice the bread...It is just a matter of time.

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