"What Would Obama Do "?

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   
   
   No ......, now that I have your attention , What DID Pres. Obama do ? It's as if immigration laws were actually written by Pres. Trump . As if Trump himself actually invented illegal immigration and the laws that deal with it ? 
   Does Trump Resistance's  hypocrisy have any bounds?

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      RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Bush-era law, strengthened (but carefully hidden) by Obama, and now being followed by Trump - so why does Trump get them blame?  Because unlike his predecessor, he believes in enforcement of the law.  The other two practiced a form of selective enforcement.

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   Sychophantasticposted 7 years ago

   While Trump is being accused of being a Nazi, we know that Obama was proficient in Nazi tactics beyond anyone, save Hitler himself.
   
   After all, it was Obama who created the policy of separating immigrant mothers from children and who used drone strikes to take out illegals crossing the borders.
   
   Just Google "drone strikes" and "immigration" and you'll see.
   
   How could Obama use drone strikes and claim to be a Christian?

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As usual with democrats especially , this all goes right to identity politics , Immigration a topic ? Only if it's the opposing party ,  Drone activities ? Who's in the white house  ?  Detention camp conditions ?  Are we talking Trump or Obama ?    Climate issues or anything ?  The same .
      
      The conditions of the detention camps becomes an media  party identity issue only because Obama , Clinton , Sanders or Warren isn't running the country .  The same with "sending in the troops ",  trade negotiations or Brexit for that matter . Why do you suppose that liberals and hypocrisy walk the halls of political identity ,morality and integrity hand in hand ?

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      RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What does Christianity have to do with this topic?  I'm personally tired of watching spin after spin being applied to the rule of law.

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   Readmikenowposted 7 years ago

   Guess what happened in 2015? Mexican teens held for months for boarder crossing. I think it was, ah, Obama who was president at this time.
   
   https://www.denverpost.com/2015/03/11/m … crossings/

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      Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What's that got to do with taking babies from their parents, Mike?  Dammit, forgot again....no questions!

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         Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Where were you in 2015 when this was happening?  Upset about it then?  Why upset about it now?  ALSO, what legislation did President Trump sign into law or Executive Order did he sign to make this happen?  I'll answer that for you. NONE.  President Trump is enforcing current law from Obama and Bush.  So, why not blame the presidents who made the laws?  This is nothing new.  American criminals are separated from their children.  Why shouldn't those who break immigration laws?  AND, if they don't want to experience this, don't come here illegally.  Follow immigration laws like my family and avoid these problems.

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            Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If that's so Mike, why doesn't Spanky immediately put an end to it like he's done to every other Obama regulation he can?  He wants us to pay for  a wall he lied about having Mexico pay for. Did you buy that BS as well?
            
            Were your family in fear for their lives when they immigrated, Mike?  If they waited very long to get approved would they be in danger of being murdered?  Or do you see this a not making a difference?

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Because he doesn't have the authority to remove law from the books?  And DOES has the ethical standards Obama did not which require enforcing all laws?

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                  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Like Spanky is unable to do anything to stop this BS. It's because he's so law abiding and ethical, is that it, Dan?  Perhaps you too believed Spanky when he said Mexico would pay for the wall|?

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                     wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I've asked over and over and over but have yet to hear an answer.  Do you have one?  What you YOU have congress do with the kids?  (And turning them loose, with or without parents, is not an answer).  Are you volunteering to support tens of thousands of people until they can be deported?  Going to build a hundred apartment complexes on your farm?
                     
                     Haven't a clue what the wall has to do with the topic.  Can you explain?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        If you don't see the reference to the wall as being pertinent, then you don't realize what Spanky is trying to do here, Dan. He cannot get funding for his stupid wall and are holding children as hostages to get his way.  So there, this is why I asked you if you believed Spanky's lies when he said Mexico would pay for the wall. The way you dodged the question makes me think I already know the answer.
                        
                        Spanky could make one phone call and stop this crap, and you know it!

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                           wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Talk about dodging!
                           What you YOU have congress do with the kids?  (And turning them loose, with or without parents, is not an answer)

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                              Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              I'm not dodging anything, Dan. Your guy can stop this without congress and you know it. He didn't shy away from reversing anything Obama did before. They haven't been removing small children from their parents before and there's no reason they have to do it now.
                              
                              
                              Now, answer my question about whether you thought Spanky was lying about Mexico paying for the wall.   I notice Mike didn't answer the question either. It must be tough to admit you guys fell for another Spanky lie.

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                                 wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 What you YOU have congress do with the kids?  (And turning them loose, with or without parents, is not an answer)

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    I told you Dan, Congress is not the answer now. Keeping the babies with the mothers is. Spanky can stop this now. You know it and are afraid to address it, just like you're afraid to answer my question about Mexico paying for the wall.  You are indeed just like your idol Spanky.  You must be so proud, Dan.
                                    
                                    What was congress doing before they started taking children from their parents? They can do the same thing as far as I'm concerned.  Now answer the GD question, Dan!

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                                       wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       Great partial - and worthless - answer (though I'm a little confused why the fathers aren't included).  Saying we can do what we did before without even knowing what it was, just that it produced the mess we now have, is not an answer.  So how about finishing it to something we might be able to use?
                                       
                                       What would YOU have congress do with the kids?  (And turning them loose, with or without parents, is not an answer)

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                                       wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       "They can do the same thing as far as I'm concerned."
                                       You don't know what it was, you don't even know if it produced the result of children staying with criminal parents, but that has to be the answer.  If there is a more useless, worthless reply I've never heard it.  Try again, with an actual idea, an actual thought, that produces the results you want.
                                       
                                       Perhaps a re-read of your own words could help:
                                       
                                       "See Mike, the way this works is, one answers questions asked before asking one's own questions.  Now, try again?"
                                       https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/339 … ost4011458
                                       
                                       "Any question you don't want to answer you use the same excuse or completely ignore it. "
                                       https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/339 … ost4011477

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                                          Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Yet, you still refused to address the question, Dan. Forget it, I'm through with you too!

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                                             wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             "See Mike, the way this works is, one answers questions asked before asking one's own questions.  Now, try again?"
                                             
                                             First one in the series was "what would YOU suggest" and you have yet to provide any answer at all.

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               Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Randy, you're a few economics lessons short of understanding the situation with the wall on the Mexican boarder.  Familiar with the term tariffs?  I suggest you do some reading on it.  Are you so gullible that you believe every person who comes to the boarder illegally is running from persecution? Please. How do you think so many MS 13 gang members got in the country and are able to kill, rob, rape and more?  Let us know your elaborate solution for fixing the immigration situation without Congress. Maybe you don't comprehend the concept of immigration laws.  Are you upset when American parents break the law and are taken from their children? Are you a typical Democrat who only worries about Illegals and criminals and ignore the problems of American citizens, legal immigrants and those who obey the law? We are the silent majority.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  The questions were too difficult for you again, right Mike?

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                     Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I would suggest the questions asked of you were too difficult for you to answer.  Right...Randy?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        See Mike, the way this works is, one answers questions asked before asking one's own questions.  Now, try again?

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                           Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I disagree Randy.  How it works is you ask a question that has merit and provides insight. It will then earn a response that will promote further discussion.  Try asking a question worth answering that could add something to the conversation and it will get lots of responses.  I suggest you keep trying.  I do appreciate your efforts, and in time; it just may happen for you.

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                              Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Not from you it won't, Mike. Any question you don't want to answer you use the same excuse or completely ignore it. Converse with Horse and Jack, they do the same thing. Never mind Mike, I do not need answers from your ilk anyway!

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   Live to Learnposted 7 years ago

   The moral here is that all injustices are allowed by Democrats, when it's done by a Democrat.

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   Onusonusposted 7 years ago

   Trump has deported 2.5 million illegal aliens. JK, that was Obama...
   
   Selective outrage.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   250 - 400 Kids a day arrive at our detention centers , "The vast majority arrive without parents "  , according the DHS secretary  .  When a group of people are detained they are separated by age , gender , criminal record , and then run through the system  , lawyered up , and then detained , released   or deported .
   
   Any of you who think it was any different under Obama and offer up personal " outrage " are simply "screaming into the wind" of  blatant  hypocrisy, ideological   immaturity and selective outrage , Who here is surprised about that ?   It's the usual ,  the classical --Here Today Gone Tomorrow ---- of  stunt politics of the left .
   Next week , new topic for the obstruction .
   
   These "kids " are becoming  healthier , are eating better , are getting cleaned up better , immunized , are put on the road  to being educated often for the first times in their lives AND are being CARED for for the first times in their lives !  Where is your collective "outrage " when  for instance , Mexico cashes the foreign aid checks and still doesn't improve their living standards ?

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   Readmikenowposted 7 years ago

   I think the fact is that this separating children from their parents is just another effort of the Democrats to draw attention away from their crimes.  The IG report is very damning for the Democrats as well as the hearings that are taking place.
   
   
   

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Mike , that's all it is .  "Selective outrage" .......it spreads like STD's in a Chicago high school ..........

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      Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Dream on, Spanky voters! 

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I've read "educating liberals "  many times , They nail it perfectly and repeatedly  .

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   Readmikenowposted 7 years ago

   Here is a copy of the law President Trump is enforcing.  It was passed in 2002...long before President Trump took office.  Facts are facts.
   
   
   

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   I don't know how many times I have said it here and in other threads ; ----
     " Liberals ONLY know the history of now "  Right this moment , today , this instant , ........until they are allowed the chance for instant political outrage !
   
   
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      Hxprofposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      And here Obummer said the same thing that most politicians say about those who EMPLOY illegals - many want better enforcement of immigration laws until it comes to stopping businesses from hiring them!!

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