Immigration Family Separation -Is This "The One "?

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   ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

   Is this "THE Ultimate Trump  Obstruction "? Liberals have bounced from issue to issue cause to cause by the dozens , some of them as daft as the people inventing them.  Is this the one cause that can accomplish the ultimate goal of  tearing Trump from the tower of power ?

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I have always said that "we will get him". But, he will do himself in by his own hand and through his big mouth. This will be most fitting and appropriate.

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         ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         You HAVE always said we will get him , not necessarily for good cause but hey  you're trying .   Funny though how at this point you will "get him " by accusing him of doing the same thing your great King Obama did for years?
         
         Ya ......., that's a great  and justifiable cause , see why many can't stand the ideology of the inexcusably hypocritical left and probably never will ?

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I am being honest, Horse, I despise the man in both word and deed. I am against any extralegal methods to deal with him, but will let public opinion and the voting electorate do for me what need to be done. Is it ok if the people decide, Ahorseback? That blue wave is coming and it will wash the shores clean. I have plenty of good reasons to take issue with Mr. Trump and all he stands for.  Obama has not even approached the current reprehensible state of YOUR HERO.
            
            The rightwinger and his ideology will be reduced to nothing within the public forum of competing ideas. That sits well with me

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               ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I have never questioned your honesty , perhaps only the informing  knowledge of your beliefs ,    AS you know Trump is being Obstructed by and from all sides , both  established parties are doing so with the absolute  involvement of the marxist media . Good luck with that .
               
               What has surprised me however and as I've stated before , Is just how complicit the left is with your obstruction of taking a different path than what history has handed all of us .  The path away from established politics. That is why I was once a liberal  in the 60's-70's.   
               
               I have learned through these experiences is that what the left wants is  MORE government and so established apathy of two party politics . I never would have considered that before the last two presidential elections.  Good luck with this newest obstruction because that's all it is . One more  "outrage " overblown . "Here today gone tomorrow."

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  What Makes everybody think that this Trump is the answer to all that is wrong with Washington and that the obstruction from both sides of the isle is not warranted to any extent.? I consistently get the message from right wing media is that this "poor guy" is being unjustifiably assaulted from all sides.
                  
                  Obstruction is nothing new, I had seen plenty of it used by the Right and Republicans during Obama's term. Trump is a self-serving, petty minded man, who can believe that this sort is capable of effecting any beneficial change on anything? Whatever experiences you have have had drawing you away from the left, would more than likely have brought me closer. Was it when the Black Guy got elected that you started having problems with the left in general? Trump is not smart enough to bring about his policies with the deftness and finesse required to head off so much of the negative publicity he consistently receives.

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                     ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh Credence , always goes to racism ...........ho hum .  One day I hope you attain your "pay off" from that incessant accusation . [Dr.Phil ]   but how I wish you had a clue as to how little racist I am . Not that it matters to me but for all these years  I actually thought Obama was only half black .   
                     Carry on Credence .
                     
                     As to the reversing of  racism though  perhaps you might answer this ; Is it the old ,white , rich oft called "orange man " that brings out your race issues
                     and accusatory bias so easily ?   My dislike of  Obama however had all to do with my belief that his policies were truly unAmerican ,  his ideological beliefs and education and activist center as being socialist , his followers alt-left   , the fact is  IS that they were but don't let that cloud your prejudice .
                     
                     Fact ;Trump ,  no matter what anyone thinks IS fighting against established two party  obstruction and their media ownership. Whether you like my opinion or not , there it is.     Stop trying to "crayola " it all to your vision problem .
                     
                     Credence , You really should have that checked out .

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      RJ Schwartzposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Chuck Shumer just yesterday said that Democrats would NOT work on any Legislation concerning immigration and instead want the President to "use his pen" to fix this problem - this is the problem folks.  We need a Legislative fix to the system and the legislators all refuse to comply (because they are all beholden to the deep pockets of special interest who want open borders)

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         Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Here's is the rest of the story, Ralph
         
         "We do not live in that world. Rather, the Republican “compromise” is a clear reflection of Trump’s hardline immigration views; it’s asking moderate Republicans and Democrats to accept a slew of conservative reforms to almost every arm of the immigration system, legal and illegal, in exchange for a partial and less-than-certain path to citizenship for DREAMers. Already Democrats have balked at both Republican immigration proposals."
         
         Trump cannot blame Democrats for his policy.  I don't support Democrats just as a rubber stamp for Trump and his initiatives. He and the GOP are going to have to compromise, like it or not. Otherwise, I am more than happy to allow Trump and his administration to baste in their own juices until then.

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            What did the Democrat plan provide for?  If they refuse reasonable immigration reform what was their proposal?

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               Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I will have to see what the Dems propose but accepting the terms of Donald Trump and rightwing GOP "compromise"  as reasonable without challenge ain't going to make it. That much I do know.

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                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  ??  You mean he has been crying for a fix for some 18 months and the Democrats have provided nothing?  They haven't offered a plan, haven't offered changes to a Republican, or a Trump one?  They haven't made any effort to either construct a plan OR to compromise on one somebody else wrote?
                  
                  Why does "party politics" come to mind? 

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         ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         The legislative process refuses to work , they are scared of November at this stage , Democrats caused ,continue and  compromised progress on immigration at every step since the 1980's Reagan years except for the incessant and biased media manifestation.

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   ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

   
   
   I'll bet anyone that America is more humane than any country in the world about how it treats it's neighbors , illegally here l or not .     It is also home to one of the worst forms of news media in the world.   It gives me great pleasure to watch the mainstream news media "melting down " in how it's being received by Americans ,  as is happening now .

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      RTalloniposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      It is quite comical to see them declaring themselves credible as the average American continues to dismiss them.
      
      People have/are learning to get some real facts and see what happens as truth comes to light before jumping on the bandwagon.

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         Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         And now Fox News is catching hell from some of its own for not being credible with their news and facts. Of course, most of us with any sense at all already realized that.

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            RTalloniposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Yes. Unbiased news is what we look for...yet cannot find.

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         ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         The news media sinks lower and lower , " normal "people believe less and less . News ?   Social media flooding the market is now the "trusted source" of news for too many .

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            RTalloniposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            It takes patience and effort to get the whole story once something comes to us from news media and social media.  Knowing so little about events when they are first announced means waiting to see how details fall into place is the only wise move. Waiting is not such a passive verb as most people think!

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               ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Someone recently said in the news , The news media is now the Social Internet News Media , lot to be said there .

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   Guess what?
   
   This issue isn't going to harm President Trump at all.  Why?  The majority of American people agree with him, AND the majority of American people believe the children's parents are to blame for the separation at the border. 
   
   A Rasmsussen poll is just in prove this.  I've provided a link to the story so you can read it.
   
   When will liberals ever learn they are not winning.  No matter what the liberal media tells you, no matter how much Rachel Madow cries crocodile tears, liberals are loosing. 
   
   This makes my faith in my fellow American citizens even greater.
   
   “However, the Rasmussen poll shows that Americans don’t blame the Trump administration for the approximately 2,000 children who have been separated from their parents.  54 percent of likely voters polled by Rasmussen said that they think the parents are more to blame for breaking the law.”
   
   “Further, 54 percent of voting Americans agree with President Trump’s assertion that “The United States will not be a migrant camp. And it will not be a refugee-holding facility — it won’t be.”
   
   http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/21/rasmu … er-crisis/

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      ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      For every Illegal Immigrant child  separated by I.C.E.  , 1,400 American children are separated from their parents  for worse reasons , drug use , criminal behavior ,  a variety of apparently LEFT - socially accepted abuses?

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   ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

   
   
   Legal Americans killed by illegal immigrants ?    Ripped from their parents arms too , never to be in their families arms again ?
   
   Are you outraged about this ?

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   Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

   Unfortunately there were no cameras to capture the images of the millions of Native Americans killed by illegal European immigrants.

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, Randy, demonizing these people is part of the GOP playbook. When it is true that percentage wise more non-immigrants by percentage commit more crime. Is that not what you have noticed? 320 millions in America and I am to be convinced regarding Horse's position after he shows a face or two to divert us from the fact that the exception is not the rule.

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         Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I just think it's sort of greedy of those who are already here to decide we have enough people in the country. I also feel those from the same continent should be given priority over those from another. After all, their ancestor were here long before anyone of European or Asian heritage. But that's just me, Cred.

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            ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            "Greedy " , Greedy is deciding that you're so special that you  can avoid ALL of the immigration laws , of a nation of laws , that all the others have adhered to and actually for their entire lives .   Immigration quotas can be ignored that actually ALLOWS immigration fairness ,  that actually supports the" melting pot " that America is, was and always will be .
            
            No one has decided that "  .......of those deciding that we have enough people in this country ......."   So try to read an immigration law Randy ,   What we demand by law is that everyone entering take their place in line , at the back end .....and not cutting into the front of it , you know , like you more than likely always did in the lunch line at school ?.......;-]

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         ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Credence ,We've already discussed  the  crime in your ideological neighborhood, many many times ,   but  lets see ........I drag my family and especially my minor children  for hundreds of miles through deserts , drainages , storms or blazing sun  with drug dealers and ,  sex traffickers , cocaine mules , where as much as 80 % percent of women and girls are raped by the human traffickers , sharing  space with groups of  illegal immigrants . Illegally entering another country , leaving my garbage along the trails ,  stealing anything along the way, jobs, health care , welfare benefits ,  empty housing , crossing private property , never paying income taxes ,..........To jump ahead of LEGAL immigrants in line , illegal immigrant children enter this country as actual accessories to major crimes
         
         But  as an illegal , I commit less crimes than a declared U.S. citizen ?
         Keep trying , Credence we almost believe you .

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            MY ideological neighborhood? What is that supposed to mean? I am an Adult, I have developed a thick skin to deal with rightwingers, so you don't have to mince words. Criminals are criminals whether in the Trump administration or in Chicago's inner city.? So, don't link that with me. Why don't you check the stats as to how much crime is associated with these people, rather than cherry pick? it isn't so just because you say so, my Wikipedia and internet connections work just fine.
            
            While I am not for open borders, I do not want Gestapo tactics used to prevent it, either.

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               ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               You know exactly of what I speak ,   your party's inner city cesspools of crime ,  all formed and deeply embedded  at the behest of liberal inner city management for decades and even centuries , NYC , Baltimore , Chicago , LA. , San Francisco , Seattle  , New Orleans , ,  look at Trenton N.J.  right now , they are about to turn over the entire education system to MS 13 , fear not however , they will probably run it at less cost though .
               
               Liberals managers don't run cities very well when it comes to schools , unions , crime ,  gangs , violence , .............lets face it .  Enforcing  the laws , your "Gestapo tactics" are still  a necessity called enforcing the law Credence , it has to be done . Want to clean up your cities , I suggest you get over  your party's phony "outraged "selves  and vote for the wall .

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