Trump Issues Declassifcation Order on ALL Messages related to Russia!

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  1. RJ Schwartz profile image89
    RJ Schwartzposted 12 months ago

    President Trump issued an immediate declassification order on the Carter Page FISA warrant, AND ALL Text messages (unredacted ) related to the Russia hoax from James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page.

    The DOJ is caught in a tight spot since the President already has all the originals - any attempt to hide information should be met with swift responses from the WH.

    Seems as if the moment of truth is at our doorsteps and all the potential stops have been pulled from the pathway - the American people finally get to see what really transpired and who really should be under investigation.
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    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      You don't even know do you.

      You have no clue what the men and women in the intelligence services do to protect you every single day. What they are doing right now to protect you.

      And you have no idea how much more difficult this type of stunt makes it for them to do their jobs, and do it safely.

      I wish it were possible for you to see the effect it would have if the country's intelligence community simply went on a strike.

      Luckily for you, people within the intelligence community don't get to go on strike.

      Neither do they get to stand at podiums spouting BS to people who lap it up like ignorant fools.

      They just continue working to protect you day after day, while the yellow-haired buffoon of a president demonizes them day after day, because he wants to discredit the people investigating him and his associates.

      As a whole, the intelligence community work diligently and professionally. And they make sacrifices you'll never get to hear about.

      You don't deserve them.

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image89
        RJ Schwartzposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I admire the beauty of a fruit tree, however I'm not afraid of pointing out the rotten fruit on some of it's branches.  If it means some branches must be cut away in order to preserve the tree, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

      2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image96
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        '...yellow haired buffoon...'

        Do you associate yellow hair with buffoonery out of your racist inclinations against white people, or is it the hatred of economic growth that you associate with buffoonery, and you merely mentioned a hair color as a descriptor?

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          If you want to talk about racism, let's talk about your support for right-wing extremist groups shall we. I'm more than happy to have that discussion.

          1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image96
            Wesman Todd Shawposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I totally support right wing extremism. Also, 'right wing extremism' is anything that doesn't fall into the cancerous ideology of US mass media and the Democratic party. I'm the most right wing extremist person you will ever know of. <3 smile

            1. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              "I totally support right wing extremism".

              I know. That's why I said so. And your back-pedalling caveat doesn't disguise the fact. Having dubious convictions is bad enough. Not having the courage of your own convictions is even worse.

      3. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Don't hold back Don. Say how you really feel. ;-)

        GA

    2. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, the truth is at our doorstep, like you said.

      I'm hopeful Trump will release ALL Russia investigation documents and not just selected text messages meant to make his enemies look bad.

      That way we citizens can find out the full extent of Russian interference. We should know if any more Americans helped them like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.

      1. La Veezta profile image41
        La Veeztaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        What Americans have been indicted or convicted of colluding with Russia?

        1. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I didn't use the word collusion. Nor is it in the authorization given to Mueller by the Justice Department. Regarding the indictments:

          "That group (of indictments) is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Six of these people (including now all four former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty."

          The Americans all pled guilty to avoid more charges from the Russian investigation.

          https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … grand-jury

          Do you agree that Trump should release all of his Russia documents and not just the ones that target his enemies?

          1. La Veezta profile image41
            La Veeztaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            You said “That way we citizens can find out the full extent of Russian interference. We should know if any more Americans helped them like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.”

            You clearly state “any more Americans helped them” (the Russians)  like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.” which implies Americans have been indicted and convicted of helping the Russians. Your words not mine. No need to go beyond what you clearly said. If you misspoke say you misspoke, but going on about stuff that has nothing to do with what you said is really kind of weird.

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              What I said is based on plenty of well-documented evidence about extensive contacts with Russians by Trump aides who pled guilty or who are under investigation.

              This chart is helpful:

              https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … ons-214868

              It's naive to think Mueller nailed Mannafort just to get him for mail fraud. It's also naive to think that Trump is fighting the investigation so aggressively because he has nothing better to do.

              I answered your questions. Would you care to answer mine?

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            When the Democratic party releases documents that target party officials...then Trump should release his.

            Isn't that how it is working?  "You did wrong so I can do the same"?

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              I thought the President of the United States was supposed to represent his country and not just his political party or his bruised and inflated ego.

              And I don't see where in your comment that you are answering my question.

  2. RJ Schwartz profile image89
    RJ Schwartzposted 12 months ago

    Adam Schiff is in full panic mode

  3. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 12 months ago

    Proof that there was never ANY collusion between Trump and Russia , Does that mean ALL associated case matter gets thrown out of the courts  as it would in lower court cases ?

    Deep State Yes !  Collusion No .

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    And it's his right to do so, as President, as allowed by The Constitution. 

    And its the Constitution that America is based on.

    And its the US Constitution which checks abuse(s) of power.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image89
      RJ Schwartzposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Absolutely and what's even more unexpected is that President Trump is using an EO written by former President Obama as the rationale for doing so.

  5. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 12 months ago

    Kathryn , That proves that he has not only nothing to hide but that there is no evidence of collusion from the beginning  .

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image89
      RJ Schwartzposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Unless you ask a Democrat - to them, he's "selectively" picking things to be released and he's "obstructing" an on-going investigation, plus he's "damaging" national security by exposing "techniques" used by the FBI.  I'm sorry, but this President has been subjected to more negativity and more every day attacks from both sides of the spectrum and he deserves his chance to set the record straight.  People need to be punished for weaponizing the Intelligence Agencies and for allowing their own agendas to be put ahead of the country.

    2. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      But what is the justification for a selective declassification Ed?

      Of course it could be that he has deemed the ones ordered declassified to not be a danger to national security, and the others to be, but that smells almost as badly as Feinstein's "letter" bombshell.

      GA

  6. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 12 months ago

    Interesting ;
    From the beginning this has been NOTHING but a democratic  media stunt, an attempt to stall a president they don't want to succeed by creating an entirely false investigation  ,  NOW they will object to something democrats USUALLY  fully support . Declassification of government documents ?

    And they want us to believe what ?

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Anyone who finds it acceptable to declassify information about a legitimate live investigation by the intelligence community, relating to a matter of national security, because the president wants to discredit the investigation due to the fact he may be implicated, is no patriot.

      If you want a king or an emperor who is above the law, then start a campaign to annul the Constitution. Otherwise, allow those people who have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution, to do their job.

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image89
        RJ Schwartzposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        If you honestly think the investigation is legitimate then there's not a lot anyone can say to convince you otherwise Don.  There has not been a single Democrat investigated that I'm aware of.  The investigation was supposed to determine if Russia influenced out elections, yet it's all been about President Trump and his team.  Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have ties to Russia, so why aren't they being subjected to the same treatment?

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Please point to exactly which aspect of the investigation does not conform to the law or to any rules.

          I don't buy the idea that just because you don't like an investigation, it's therefore not legitimate.

          This is not some banana republic where investigations are determined by some despotic ruler.

          As I said, if you want a king or emperor who is above the law, start a campaign to get the Constitution annulled, but stop besmirching honorable men and women in the intelligence community just so you can play cheerleader for dear leader.

          1. profile image0
            Ed Fisherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            The Mueller "Investigation " has been about as secure and leak-proof  as carrying water in a pillow case !

            1. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              So you're concerned about sensitive information getting into the public domain.

              But you're fine with Trump releasing sensitive information from a live investigation into the public domain.

              Your principles seem . . . flexible.

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            RJ has a point - as far as we know there have been exactly zero Democrats, and certainly no VIP's included in the investigation.  And if you believe the entire party is lily white you need professional help.

            There is often a huge difference between "legal" and "right".  This sounds like one of them.

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Why would Mueller investigate Democrats for working with Russians to help Trump win the election against their own candidate?

              Is it because Mueller is a Republican? Or is it because we should use the FBI as a tool to destroy the two-party system?

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                ??  We keep being told that the investigation is not and never was about Russian collusion - that anything they can find is fair game.  Certainly none of the non-russian indictments have been about collusion!

                That leaves Democrats wide open, even if we pretend that the Russians weren't helping them, too, in their scheme to divide the country.

                1. IslandBites profile image86
                  IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on

                  Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

                  (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
                  (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
                  (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

                  (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

                  https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea … 1/download

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    "(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
                    (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)"

                    That's what I said: anything they want to look into.  Sexual crimes, fraud, maybe even speeding tickets.

                2. promisem profile image98
                  promisemposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm not sure who is saying that, certainly not on here. I've posted the full Mueller authorization letter twice in response to your comments.

                  What I have repeatedly said is that it's not exclusively about collusion and that the word exclusion doesn't appear in the letter.

            2. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Read the order the Deputy AG signed, which lays out the scope of the investigation:

              https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea … 1/download

              Likewise the memo the DAG signed giving further guidance to the scope of the investigation, relating specifically to Paul Manafort:

              https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162 … e7110d0001

              Mueller has been authorized by the (Trump-nominated) Deputy AG to investigate within the scope laid out in those couments.

              He is (based on information currently in the public domain) doing that.

              Donald Trump appears to be doing everything he can to obstruct a lawful investigation into a matter of national security, which includes releasing sensitive information while that investigation is still live.

              That's inexcusable.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/340 … ost4031158

                Check ii and iii.  Gives free rein to anything they want to look at.  You're right though - given the scope it is inexcusable that zero Democrats have been investigated.

                1. IslandBites profile image86
                  IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Only if you don't know how to read.

                  (ii) any matters that arose or may arise DIRECTLY from the investigation;

                  (iii) any other matters WITHIN the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

                  28 C.F.R. Section 600.4(a)
                  The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

                2. Don W profile image83
                  Don Wposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm now reading that Trump is (currently) no longer demanding documents be declassified after a  conversation with the DoJ and after "key Allies’ [sic] called to ask not to release"(1)

                  Just let that sink in. The president of the United States had to be told by the DoJ and other countries that releasing classified information from a live investigation into a matter of national security is a bad idea.

                  Take a moment to think about that.

                  (1) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta … 7576258561

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Hmmm.  Other countries don't want the actions of their spies revealed.  Now THAT'S a shocker!

        2. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          The Mueller authorization specifically targets Russians helping Trump win the election. That pretty much limits the investigation to Republicans.

          https://www.scribd.com/document/3754789 … estigation

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            The authorization specifically targets any crime they come upon.

            "(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"

            The pretty much means anyone and everyone, and any and all crimes.

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              No again for the reasons I stated above. Please quit cherry picking and taking a small part of the entire letter out of context.

      2. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Don W, Problem in that ;  The people sworn to "protect and to serve " our national security ?    Have declared themselves cop , judge , jury and jailers . The Comey's , Strzok , Paige , ............

        Jees , they have even admitted in senate hearings and leaked it to their own liberal media .......You got to catch up on your reading .

  7. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 11 months ago

    The Hill Interview

    Buck Sexton: Have you reviewed the memos yourself? What do you expect them to show, if so?

    President Trump: I have not reviewed them. I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them. I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them. We’re sitting with one right here, we’re sitting with two, you’re right. More than once. And I have had many people ask me to release them.

    lol  SMH

    Donald J. Trump

    I met with the DOJ concerning the declassification of various UNREDACTED documents. They agreed to release them but stated that so doing may have a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe. Also, key Allies’ called to ask not to release. Therefore, the Inspector General has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis. I believe he will move quickly on this (and hopefully other things which he is looking at). In the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary. Speed is very important to me - and everyone!


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    1. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      There is one reason to declassify FOR Trump , evidentiary exoneration .............why else ? Liberals would do it to muddy an investigation and cloud final judgement , Trump moves to show there is no meat in the 'special investigation " sauce .

  8. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 11 months ago

    "Devil is in the details " If Trump is calling for >Unredacted < investigation documents , it tells us all that he is willing to reveal all of his investigated acts in order to insure that alleged party influences are revealed within the offices of the DOJ and the FBI  that we all know are compromised .   

    Where is the debate ?

 
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