President Trump issued an immediate declassification order on the Carter Page FISA warrant, AND ALL Text messages (unredacted ) related to the Russia hoax from James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page.
The DOJ is caught in a tight spot since the President already has all the originals - any attempt to hide information should be met with swift responses from the WH.
Seems as if the moment of truth is at our doorsteps and all the potential stops have been pulled from the pathway - the American people finally get to see what really transpired and who really should be under investigation.
You don't even know do you.
You have no clue what the men and women in the intelligence services do to protect you every single day. What they are doing right now to protect you.
And you have no idea how much more difficult this type of stunt makes it for them to do their jobs, and do it safely.
I wish it were possible for you to see the effect it would have if the country's intelligence community simply went on a strike.
Luckily for you, people within the intelligence community don't get to go on strike.
Neither do they get to stand at podiums spouting BS to people who lap it up like ignorant fools.
They just continue working to protect you day after day, while the yellow-haired buffoon of a president demonizes them day after day, because he wants to discredit the people investigating him and his associates.
As a whole, the intelligence community work diligently and professionally. And they make sacrifices you'll never get to hear about.
You don't deserve them.
I admire the beauty of a fruit tree, however I'm not afraid of pointing out the rotten fruit on some of it's branches. If it means some branches must be cut away in order to preserve the tree, it's a risk I'm willing to take.
'...yellow haired buffoon...'
Do you associate yellow hair with buffoonery out of your racist inclinations against white people, or is it the hatred of economic growth that you associate with buffoonery, and you merely mentioned a hair color as a descriptor?
If you want to talk about racism, let's talk about your support for right-wing extremist groups shall we. I'm more than happy to have that discussion.
I totally support right wing extremism. Also, 'right wing extremism' is anything that doesn't fall into the cancerous ideology of US mass media and the Democratic party. I'm the most right wing extremist person you will ever know of. <3
Don't hold back Don. Say how you really feel. ;-)
Yes, the truth is at our doorstep, like you said.
I'm hopeful Trump will release ALL Russia investigation documents and not just selected text messages meant to make his enemies look bad.
That way we citizens can find out the full extent of Russian interference. We should know if any more Americans helped them like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.
What Americans have been indicted or convicted of colluding with Russia?
I didn't use the word collusion. Nor is it in the authorization given to Mueller by the Justice Department. Regarding the indictments:
"That group (of indictments) is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Six of these people (including now all four former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty."
The Americans all pled guilty to avoid more charges from the Russian investigation.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … grand-jury
Do you agree that Trump should release all of his Russia documents and not just the ones that target his enemies?
You said “That way we citizens can find out the full extent of Russian interference. We should know if any more Americans helped them like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.”
You clearly state “any more Americans helped them” (the Russians) like the ones who have already been indicted and found guilty.” which implies Americans have been indicted and convicted of helping the Russians. Your words not mine. No need to go beyond what you clearly said. If you misspoke say you misspoke, but going on about stuff that has nothing to do with what you said is really kind of weird.
What I said is based on plenty of well-documented evidence about extensive contacts with Russians by Trump aides who pled guilty or who are under investigation.
This chart is helpful:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … ons-214868
It's naive to think Mueller nailed Mannafort just to get him for mail fraud. It's also naive to think that Trump is fighting the investigation so aggressively because he has nothing better to do.
I answered your questions. Would you care to answer mine?
When the Democratic party releases documents that target party officials...then Trump should release his.
Isn't that how it is working? "You did wrong so I can do the same"?
Proof that there was never ANY collusion between Trump and Russia , Does that mean ALL associated case matter gets thrown out of the courts as it would in lower court cases ?
Deep State Yes ! Collusion No .
And it's his right to do so, as President, as allowed by The Constitution.
And its the Constitution that America is based on.
And its the US Constitution which checks abuse(s) of power.
Kathryn , That proves that he has not only nothing to hide but that there is no evidence of collusion from the beginning .
Unless you ask a Democrat - to them, he's "selectively" picking things to be released and he's "obstructing" an on-going investigation, plus he's "damaging" national security by exposing "techniques" used by the FBI. I'm sorry, but this President has been subjected to more negativity and more every day attacks from both sides of the spectrum and he deserves his chance to set the record straight. People need to be punished for weaponizing the Intelligence Agencies and for allowing their own agendas to be put ahead of the country.
But what is the justification for a selective declassification Ed?
Of course it could be that he has deemed the ones ordered declassified to not be a danger to national security, and the others to be, but that smells almost as badly as Feinstein's "letter" bombshell.
From the beginning this has been NOTHING but a democratic media stunt, an attempt to stall a president they don't want to succeed by creating an entirely false investigation , NOW they will object to something democrats USUALLY fully support . Declassification of government documents ?
And they want us to believe what ?
Anyone who finds it acceptable to declassify information about a legitimate live investigation by the intelligence community, relating to a matter of national security, because the president wants to discredit the investigation due to the fact he may be implicated, is no patriot.
If you want a king or an emperor who is above the law, then start a campaign to annul the Constitution. Otherwise, allow those people who have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution, to do their job.
If you honestly think the investigation is legitimate then there's not a lot anyone can say to convince you otherwise Don. There has not been a single Democrat investigated that I'm aware of. The investigation was supposed to determine if Russia influenced out elections, yet it's all been about President Trump and his team. Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have ties to Russia, so why aren't they being subjected to the same treatment?
Please point to exactly which aspect of the investigation does not conform to the law or to any rules.
I don't buy the idea that just because you don't like an investigation, it's therefore not legitimate.
This is not some banana republic where investigations are determined by some despotic ruler.
As I said, if you want a king or emperor who is above the law, start a campaign to get the Constitution annulled, but stop besmirching honorable men and women in the intelligence community just so you can play cheerleader for dear leader.
The Mueller "Investigation " has been about as secure and leak-proof as carrying water in a pillow case !
RJ has a point - as far as we know there have been exactly zero Democrats, and certainly no VIP's included in the investigation. And if you believe the entire party is lily white you need professional help.
There is often a huge difference between "legal" and "right". This sounds like one of them.
Why would Mueller investigate Democrats for working with Russians to help Trump win the election against their own candidate?
Is it because Mueller is a Republican? Or is it because we should use the FBI as a tool to destroy the two-party system?
?? We keep being told that the investigation is not and never was about Russian collusion - that anything they can find is fair game. Certainly none of the non-russian indictments have been about collusion!
That leaves Democrats wide open, even if we pretend that the Russians weren't helping them, too, in their scheme to divide the country.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea … 1/download
"(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)"
That's what I said: anything they want to look into. Sexual crimes, fraud, maybe even speeding tickets.
No, maybe and no.
You left out the first clause. The second two clauses relate to the first.
"any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;"
They can't look into sex crimes and speeding tickets. Maybe fraud if it relates to the Russian involvement.
I'm not sure who is saying that, certainly not on here. I've posted the full Mueller authorization letter twice in response to your comments.
What I have repeatedly said is that it's not exclusively about collusion and that the word exclusion doesn't appear in the letter.
Read the order the Deputy AG signed, which lays out the scope of the investigation:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea … 1/download
Likewise the memo the DAG signed giving further guidance to the scope of the investigation, relating specifically to Paul Manafort:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162 … e7110d0001
Mueller has been authorized by the (Trump-nominated) Deputy AG to investigate within the scope laid out in those couments.
He is (based on information currently in the public domain) doing that.
Donald Trump appears to be doing everything he can to obstruct a lawful investigation into a matter of national security, which includes releasing sensitive information while that investigation is still live.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/340 … ost4031158
Check ii and iii. Gives free rein to anything they want to look at. You're right though - given the scope it is inexcusable that zero Democrats have been investigated.
Only if you don't know how to read.
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise DIRECTLY from the investigation;
(iii) any other matters WITHIN the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
28 C.F.R. Section 600.4(a)
The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
I'm now reading that Trump is (currently) no longer demanding documents be declassified after a conversation with the DoJ and after "key Allies’ [sic] called to ask not to release"(1)
Just let that sink in. The president of the United States had to be told by the DoJ and other countries that releasing classified information from a live investigation into a matter of national security is a bad idea.
Take a moment to think about that.
(1) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta … 7576258561
Hmmm. Other countries don't want the actions of their spies revealed. Now THAT'S a shocker!
As your sarcasm suggests, it really isn't shocking that sensible people don't want assets and information relating to legitimate intelligence gathering activities revealed.
Kind of important for national security.
Evidently Donald Trump had to be told that.
There is always a reason to slap a "classified" label on information you don't want out. Information that might affect your political position. That might be negative to you or your friends in some manner.
I have a really hard time imagining what could affect national security in that investigation...if it is within the boundaries of investigating collusion. No national military secrets, no war plans, not even civilian business secrets. No TSA hidden procedures, no border patrol activities. No US international plans for the country (such as tariff plans), no space secrets. Not even the programming on voting machines!
Just political points from day one - some of which very likely point to Democrats.
I care less about what you imagine could affect national security, and more about what professionals within the intelligence community think could affect national security.
Either you believe in the rule of law or you don't.
This is a lawful and legitimate investigation, with a defined scope and clear authorization, being undertaken to address a matter that concerns national security.
If you, or anyone else, has evidence that the investigation has gone beyond its defined scope, or beyond the authorization conferred by the DAG, then present that information immediately.
If not, then you advocating for Trump's attempt to circumvent the rule of law.
??? Does Trump have the authority to declassify the material, and if so what does the law have to do with him doing so?
Trump circumventing the rule of law? How? By making the investigation public? How does that circumvent the law?
Trying to obstruct an investigation he may be implicated in at a future date, by releasing classified information while the investigation is ongoing, undermines the rule of law, and is an abuse of authority.
In your opinion ! Why can't an investigation that began as a political ploy by democrats in office be ended the same way by Trump releasing the documents ?
Or Trump can have "his " judge declare the entire investigation a ideologically inspired travesty of justice and end it accordingly .
Perhaps you didn't understand the question. How does releasing classified information do anything at all to an investigation being done in good faith?
Simply repeating that it does is not a useful answer. Nor does implying, without explanation, that such an action is "obstruction".
I did misunderstand your question, probably because I assumed what you are asking is obvious. Evidently it's not.
Off the top of my head:
Revealing the names of human intelligence assets could place them at risk, or cause them to be harmed, depriving the investigation team of information they can provide, which could serve as evidence in future criminal proceedings.
Revealing information about technical methods and signals intelligence assets could make those methods and assets vulnerable, depriving investigators of an intelligence gathering capability and potential evidence in future criminal proceedings.
Revealing information about clandestine operations may risk the safety of those involved and cause the operations to fail, depriving investigators of information, intelligence gathering capability, and potential evidence in future criminal proceedings.
Alerting suspects to the fact they are under investigation, could lead those suspects to destroy valuable evidence, depriving the investigation from evidence that might be used in future criminal proceedings.
If you don't understand how someone knowingly taking actions that can deprive investigators of evidence that may incriminate them or their associates could constitute obstruction of justice, then I don't think I can help you.
Wait. What you're listing is (supposedly) the assets/techniques of the CIA, not the FBI. Does the FBI have "human intelligence assets" and secret "methods and signals " like the CIA, operating in international lands, does? You're talking about a national police, not an international spy ring here. Are US citizens being subjected to personnel and techniques of the CIA?
'Does the FBI have "human intelligence assets . . ."'
" . . .and secret "methods and signals . . ."
"Are US citizens being subjected to personnel and techniques of the CIA?"
I don't know what CIA personnel are/ are not doing.
These are not "CIA techniques".
In addition to law enforcement, the FBI has intelligence responsibilities, including counterintelligence.
I think you and I have very different concepts of how the FBI can, and does, operate. Now, I could be 100% wrong, but I see the FBI as a national cop organization, operating under the same basic rules and procedures as the cop on the beat.
And I also see a very politically based "investigation" going far, far beyond any reasonable limits in their original goal of looking for "Russian collusion", primarily between Donald Trump and the Russian government. Yes, I know their original charge is completely open-ended, allowing spending resources and time - the entire power of the United States Government - on anything at all as long as they claim they heard about it while pursuing that "russian collusion". But considering that politics was the primary purpose, that that primary purpose is now the ONLY purpose and that there has been plenty of time to close out the "Russian collusion" portion, it's time to open it up. Were it not all about politics I would not say that, but it is, and when the FBI is used as a political weapon then it's gone too far. We don't need another J Edgar Hoover FBI running amok.
"I see the FBI as a national cop organization, operating under the same basic rules and procedures as the cop on the beat."
In addition to law enforcement, the FBI has intelligence responsibilities, including counterintelligence.
"Yes, I know their original charge is completely open-ended"
It's not see: https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4031286
As I said, an individual who knowingly takes actions that deprives investigators of evidence that may incriminate them or their associates, is likely to be committing obstruction of justice.
The Mueller authorization specifically targets Russians helping Trump win the election. That pretty much limits the investigation to Republicans.
https://www.scribd.com/document/3754789 … estigation
The authorization specifically targets any crime they come upon.
"(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"
The pretty much means anyone and everyone, and any and all crimes.
Don W, Problem in that ; The people sworn to "protect and to serve " our national security ? Have declared themselves cop , judge , jury and jailers . The Comey's , Strzok , Paige , ............
Jees , they have even admitted in senate hearings and leaked it to their own liberal media .......You got to catch up on your reading .
The Hill Interview
Buck Sexton: Have you reviewed the memos yourself? What do you expect them to show, if so?
President Trump: I have not reviewed them. I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them. I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them. We’re sitting with one right here, we’re sitting with two, you’re right. More than once. And I have had many people ask me to release them.
Donald J. Trump
I met with the DOJ concerning the declassification of various UNREDACTED documents. They agreed to release them but stated that so doing may have a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe. Also, key Allies’ called to ask not to release. Therefore, the Inspector General has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis. I believe he will move quickly on this (and hopefully other things which he is looking at). In the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary. Speed is very important to me - and everyone!
There is one reason to declassify FOR Trump , evidentiary exoneration .............why else ? Liberals would do it to muddy an investigation and cloud final judgement , Trump moves to show there is no meat in the 'special investigation " sauce .
"Devil is in the details " If Trump is calling for >Unredacted < investigation documents , it tells us all that he is willing to reveal all of his investigated acts in order to insure that alleged party influences are revealed within the offices of the DOJ and the FBI that we all know are compromised .
Where is the debate ?
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