What a Day - Roger Stone is Indicted and Trump Agrees With Democrats

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  1. My Esoteric profile image90
    My Esotericposted 13 months ago

    1 - Roger Stone, long-time Trump adviser, confidant, and conspiracy theorist was indicted by Robert Mueller in his Russian probe.  The most interesting, conspiracy related sentence in the indictment is
       "After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by (WikiLeaks), a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information (WikiLeaks) had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by (WikiLeaks)."

    WOW! Let me emphasis: "... a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE ... "  Now, who might that "senior Trump Campaign" be? Jared? Bannon? And who did the "directing"? Jared? Bannon? or, how about Trump himself?

    2 - The Democratic open-the-government proposal the Senate voted on was to open the government for two weeks while negotiating on how secure the border (and provide disaster relief).  After that, and the Republican alternative, weren't able to pass cloture (although the D plan got closer).  Then the airports got in trouble because the air space was getting dangerous.  Today, Trump decided to end, at least for awhile, the shut down by accepting the Democratic plan (plus an extra week of keeping the government open.

    I don't want to say Trump caved, because he did do the right thing and stop the harm to millions of Americans being hurt by this Fake crisis of Trump's own making.

    So, what do you think?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      He shoulda caved weeks ago, but we all know he's a dumbass!  I mean those of us who were smart enough not to vote for him. hmm

      1. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Even more, he should NOT have BROKEN his promise to America to
        sign the original CR.

  2. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 13 months ago

    The more I see of Roger Stone, the more convinced I am that Trump himself was involved in colluding with Rusdia. The guy oozes slime.

    Re the shutdown, I am glad Trump finally did the right thing and reopened the government. I suspect that he will continue to change the definition of a wall until it meets the criteria of the agreement D's and Rs already made, and then he will declare victory. What else can be do?

  3. wilderness profile image94
    wildernessposted 13 months ago

    It will be interesting to follow Pelosi - to see if "negotiations" on funding the wall remain at "No!  You can't have any money for the wall!  End of conversation!", or if she was honest when she said "Let's reopen the government and then negotiate.

    My money is on a complete lack of negotiation - she will refuse to even discuss the topic.  At this point she appears to simply keep repeating the lie that she will compromise or negotiate at all.  Just insist that her plan be followed in total, without anything being offered but that.

    And then it will be just as interesting to see if she has the rest of the Democrats locked into her refusal to work together - are they in lockstep with the concept of "nothing but what I want" and pure partisanship or are they actually concerned with running the country?

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image77
      JAKE Earthshineposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Nancy "Powerhouse" Pelosi already made it very clear that Progressive Democrats will not give Bozo Trump a penny for some useless antiquated 2,000 mile pile of concrete that can be breached a million different ways, there will be plenty of money for REAL Security that works like High Tech Sensors and More border patrol agents and this is just another reason WHY Bozo needs to be REMOVED from our oval office ASAP because in another few weeks, if he's not indicted and still roaming our white house, this idiot will once again be harassed by white nationalist fascist anarchists like weirdo Ann Coulter and Rush Limpy into doing Vladimir Putin's bidding again, insanely shutting down our government:

      WHY on Earth would anyone give this guy who is this close to impeachment / indictment a solitary penny for a wall that doesn't work ? How ridiculous would that be?

      The ONLY good thing that came out of Trump's Shut-Down was a phrase reportedly said by Nancy and I paraphrase:

      "This whole wall thing is about Trump's manhood, as if manhood could ever be associated with Trump"

      Meanwhile, MORE indictments of Trump Weirdo Nixon Loving Associates and CLEAR Evidence filed with the federal court that a Top Trump Campaign Official was ****DIRECTED**** to Conspire with Wiki-Leaks aka Julian Assange aka Russia aka Vladimir Putin to illegally receive stolen property and DUMP this dirty info into our otherwise legitimate presidential campaign:

      Yeah, we got the picture Donald, you love Wiki-Leaks and unfortunately for you, you screamed it publicly and guess what? It's all captured on FILM as evidence:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUOEFM07QIE

    2. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Do you think Trump should also concede something in exchange for funding for the wall (or steel slats, or fencing, or a virtual wall, or whatever he ends up calling it)?

      1. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I do.  My suggestion is to come together in the middle and fund 3B worth of wall, as a trial to see what happens.  Do you think Pelosi would accept that as a compromise or would her reply remain "NO WALL AT ALL!"?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I think she should seek something big in return. Otherwise, no. Trump has created an unnecessary crisis and should not be rewarded for his childish and irresponsible behavior.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Something big.  As in fixing the DACA mess created by Obama?  That could work; she gets creation of a method for citizenship for DACA people, Trump gets his 5.7B.  Or did you mean that Trump should get half the wall while Pelosi gets her whole package?

            But it's interesting that you think Trump should be "punished" because Pelosi refuses to negotiate in good faith or agree to any compromise at all.  That goes right back to the type of political games that got Trump elected, and which has put us where we are now.  I don't see these games as productive for the country, but then I'm more interested in Congress running the country than in partisan politics or in "defeating" anything that comes from Trump.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Thank you for, once again, telling me what I think. I'm clueless without your insight into my own mind.

              The Ds and Rs came to an agreement that Trump rejected. This is on him, which he readily admitted. Of course, I am not surprised at your alternative interpretation of the facts.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Did I misread your statement that "Trump has created an unnecessary crisis and should not be rewarded for his childish and irresponsible behavior."?

                Democrats came to an agreement on the wall?  Not that I've heard.  If you mean they came to an agreement on DACA, they did - at least some agreement.  It was a nonsense one, but they did agree to pretty much do nothing. Keeping DACA people as second class citizens operating in the country illegally for another 10 years doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sigh....

                  Most Republicans in Congress don't want the wall. Most Americans don't want the wall. Trump wants a stupid wall because Ann/Rush/Sean hurt his feelings.

                  If Nancy agrees to any wall funding, she should get something big in return. Donnie created this mess, not Nancy or Chuck. It's on him to get out of it, not Nancy or Chuck. Most people see this, you choose not to.

                  1. wilderness profile image94
                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    "Thank you for, once again, telling me what I think."
                    "Trump wants a stupid wall because Ann/Rush/Sean hurt his feelings."

                    LOL  I trust you see the irony in these two comments.

                    It's always interesting to listen to people declare that "most people" what what they do, without even checking it out.  Even if true (and sometimes it is) it seldom has anything to do with what SHOULD be done.  As an example, look up interviews with ranchers and sheriffs on our southern border and see what THEY want.  The people it most directly affects and that know the most about the problem.

                    No, Donald Trump did not create the mess with illegal aliens crossing the border.  He didn't even create the political mess we're in.  Congress did that, even to the point of making it common and accepted to shut down government in order to get a partisan package they want.

                    Most people understand this (See?  I can do it too!) - it's exactly this sort of behavior that got Trump elected.  Massive partisanship, refusal to compromise, and (always) playing the political game to hurt opponents taking priority over running the country.  You choose to allow your hatred of Trump to blind you to what is, and has been, happening for decades, but many of us do not.

                    In this specific case (border wall), it's cheap.  Go ahead a try it - see if it helps by talking to the people (border patrol) that will use it after it is done.  But no - partisan politics demands that nothing from the other party be accepted, no compromise, no negotiation.  And the people and the nation pay the price, as always.

            2. My Esoteric profile image90
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              DACA was working just fine, thank you, until Trump screwed it all up trying to please his xenophobic base.  All the Ds are trying to do is fix what Trump broke.

              Also, why do you want to waste $3 B on something that has almost zero rate of return?  Will it slow down the few drugs that trickle in through the non-ports of entry? Probably, for a little while until they find a way around it. Why don't you want to take that $3 B and spend it on strengthening the ports of entry?

              Will the wall stop terrorist?  No, although none have come through even the ports of entry on the Southern border that anyone knows of.  The Trump Shutdown made conditions ripe for terrorists to come in the way they normally do, through the airports.

            3. My Esoteric profile image90
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              You say "But it's interesting that you think Trump should be "punished" because Pelosi refuses to negotiate in good faith " - WHY SHOULD Pelosi negotiate with a guy who broke his promise to fund the government in the first place?

              Assume she does negotiate - why would ANYONE expect Trump to keep his word when he has broken his word so many other times.  NOBODY but a fool would believe anything Trump says.

    3. My Esoteric profile image90
      My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Tell me, Wilderness, why should we waste money on Trump's version of a "wall" that all experts says is a big waste of money and won't do what he says it will.  Remember, Trump's version is a 2,000 mile continuous barrier (that was his initial promise).  Unforturnately, it doesn't close off the ports of entry where 90% of all drugs and human trafficking come through.

      What the barrier MIGHT stop or slow down are the families fleeing violence in their home country.

      For anything else, Trump's own guidance is to go over, under, or through to get to the other side.

      The wall is worse than worthless.

      1. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        "Tell me, Wilderness, why should we waste money on Trump's version of a "wall" that all experts says is a big waste of money and won't do what he says it will.  "

        Probably because real world experience shows that it IS helpful.  The bigger question is why the naysayers ignore that evidence and simply repeat that it won't work, without ever having tried it.  Nor does pretending that the only people entering illegally are "fleeing violence in their home country" (as if that makes a difference) - the large majority are "fleeing" nothing but poverty.

        But here, an interview with someone that actually works with the border patrolmen responsible for controlling that border.  An "expert", in other words, but an expert in real life, not just thought up excuses:

        "INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

        JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."

        https://www.npr.org/2017/01/26/51174540 … wall-plans

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image77
          JAKE Earthshineposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Here's the "Grand DEAL": Bozo Trump, although ALL the evidence points toward his forthcoming impeachment and indictment very soon, he gets 25 Billion for his IMMORAL useless pile of border concrete which should get him about 1/5 of the way across the border with supporting roads etc in exchange for IMMEDIATE Cancellation of his and republican's Corporate Welfare Tax Cut Scam" and IMMEDIATE Passage of critically essential legislation that includes what every American needs regardless of age which is "Medicare for ALL from Birth to Demise" with unlimited coverage and caps and the condition that you must be an American Citizen to receive the medicare insurance and comprehensive benefit:

          So there you go, Donald and his republicans gets money for what he thinks is an emergency in exchange for a Progressive Democratic GOAL which is covering ALL Americans with Comprehensive Health Insurance and Medical Treatment which everyone knows is an absolute essential to alleviate a REAL Emergency in this country:

        2. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "Probably because real world experience shows that it IS helpful. " - I have asked you to PROVE this before and as far as I know, never got an answer.

          Are you talking about the relatively short wall between Israel and the Palestinians.  You know, the one with impassible desert on either side?

          Or our you talking about the 150 mile fence between Israel and Egypt to keep Somalis out? Yes that worked, because Israel accompanied that with laws to prohibit Israelis from hiring the refugees.

          Show me just ONE 2000 mile wall that worked.  Hell, I'll even accept a 1,000 mile wall of the type Trump talks about.  As they say, put up or shut up.

          "the large majority are "fleeing" nothing but poverty." - Again, back that false statement up with statistics.  Show me the studies where that is the result.

          YOUR source says "We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."" NOBODY, including Democrats, disagrees with that statement.  The PROBLEM is, that is not the kind of wall YOU our Trump is talking about.  You are talking about a 2,000 mile solid wall. (I can give you dozens of quotes if that will help refresh your memory)  YOUR source was NOT talking about that type of wall now was he?

  4. JAKE Earthshine profile image77
    JAKE Earthshineposted 13 months ago

    So what's wrong with with creepy Roger's mouth ?? Is he spitting Up or are his choppers a little loose ??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldHmxJbX3w

    40 years this strange bizarre Nixon Lover has been close friends with Bozo Trump, he even has a tattoo of "Tricky Dick" on his back so they say: Imagine that, Roger has a picture of the most corrupt president in history who is the poster boy for the word CROOK and he's a close associate of Donald's: My my my, what a coincidence:

 
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