Howard Schultz for President 2020...

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   I may just vote for him. He is sounding more main stream by the day.
   Finally, we have a candidate all Americans can be behind.
   He can united us like no one else can...
   He is Donald Trump without the baggage and the tweets...
   
   He is rich, successful, a bisiness background with no politicalexperience.
   He is an outsider of DC and canmot be bought...
   He is not a socialist.
   
   I am in.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/For … 571868.php

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Schultz has an appealing story...
         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz
         
         He is like the guy who started McDonalds...
         
         I see similarities between him and other successful CEO...
         People like Adolph Lewisohn, and Ray Croc...
         
         The more I learn about him, the more I like him.

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   No. No more egotistical billionaires with no political experience.
   
   No.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I am shocked!!!
      Not really. From watching the View and other liberal channels, it seems they loved Howard until he decided to run as indemplendent, then they hate him and wants to hurt him financially.
      Stop and think...

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         PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Billionaires buying their way to the presidency.
         
         Stop and think.

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            jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            No, billionaire, wanting to save our country and give back...
            He recognized the path we are on, especially with the debt, is unsustainable.
            I agree with him 100% on this one fact.
            If he can reduce the deficits, I am all in.
            
            By the way, I rather have howard using his own billions to buy an election than have shadow people buying politicians like Nancy and Chuck and Mitch and Paul...and do their bidding.

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               PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               So, you would like to see the Citizens United decision overturned?

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                  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  No, one has nothing to do with the other...
                  I just want our nation to stand behind someone who is putting Americans first. Someone who is not beholding to the “power that be” who has been screwing up our country for a long time.
                  From open borders, to one world order, to the corrupt UN and the global warming scare...
                  Meanwhile, they pay off politicians, get tax breaks for themselves and their corporations and fly around in private jets...and tell us to get rid of our SUVs...
                  We all know some of these people, don’t we?

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                     PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You don't think the payoffs start with campaign contributions?

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                        jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Of course, everything is about money...
                        I thought that is obvious...
                        You heard of the following...
                        Money rules.
                        Those with money, makes the rules.

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                           PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Right, so why are you not in favor of overturning Citizens United?

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Perhaps I don't understand (not unusual ), but it doesn't seem like this has anything to do with campaign contributions.
                        
                        "The case <Citizens United> did not affect contributions to a candidate’s actual campaign. It is still illegal for companies and labor unions to give money directly to candidates for federal office."
                        
                        https://publicintegrity.org/federal-pol … be-undone/

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                           PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Well, technically, yes.  However....
                           
                           "n a 5-4 decision which was announced on January 21, the Court ruled that the federal government may not ban independent political spending by corporations in candidate elections, although it remains illegal for corporations to contribute directly to federal campaigns from their corporate treasuries."
                           
                           So, an individual or corporation can spend unlimited money to promote a candidate, they just can't give it directly to the candidate.  Pretty much the same effect, it seems to me.

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, consider the blog owner, buying a domain name and renting server space.  (S)he writes a blog condemning (or praising) a congressional candidate. 
                              
                              Seems to me that under that act it would be illegal and they could be jailed for it.  (S)he paid money to produce/publish that blog - would that not be violating the law were it not for the SCOTUS decision?

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 Maybe. I think the law could be written to avoid penalizing a small blogger while preventing a corporation from funding a tv commercial for half-a-mil.

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                                    wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    As you say, maybe.  But considering that a corporation, even such as WalMart, is now considered a "person" for such purposes it might be more than a little tough.
                                    
                                    We could require any "donor" to keep detailed records and report them, but what would that do to the blogger?  Or the small S-corp owner wanting to contribute by purchasing an ad and giving a spiel himself?  The politician wishing to aid his party's candidate in the primaries?  The weekly newspaper in Podunk, Wyoming that published an editorial?  I have a hard time requiring anyone spending any money to keep records and report it, and even more asking the IRS to keep track of every dollar spent on elections.
                                    
                                    LOL  I certainly don't like the way money buys success in elections and favors from successful candidates, but not sure that denying the right to speak one's mind is the way to go either.  A catch-22 whichever way the law says is legal.

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                       There is a lot to it, but it could be done.

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                                          wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                          Of course it could be done.  One way would be to prohibit anyone from publicly endorsing or condemning any candidate, applying prison sentences to anyone that does.  Simple and effective.  Nothing I would ever agree to, but it would work.
                                          
                                          I'm just not confidant at all that it can be done without more damage to the concepts of democracy and free speech than we would gain from not having big contributors.  TANSTAAFL, and the price in this case is likely to be higher than we want to, or should, pay.

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   Marie Flintposted 6 years ago

   I'm happy for you, Jack, that you have found a political potential about whom you feel hopeful. Blessings!

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Always happy to here from a spiritual being.

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   IslandBitesposted 6 years ago

   But you're so happy with Trump. Not so sure anymore?

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I like some of Trump’s policies but in this divided environment, I am happy to have another moderate, successful businessman run our government. I am appeasing your side. You should be over joyed.
      As you see, I am not an ideolog. I am open to compromise as long as they are reasonable. Socialism is not.

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         jackclee: You might as well vote for Howard Schultz because republicans, even his base, are DUMPING Bozo Trump like radioactive waste and now that his impeachment and or indictment is forthcoming, he'll probably be where he belongs soon, sucking iron bars: 71% of women DISAPPROVE of Bozo Trump:
         
         FYI: I guess SOCIALISM is just fine when republicans implement it but cry, whine and blubber when Democrats implement it to help ALL Americans: Your precious republicans and Bozo Trump just passed egregious socialism legislation at its worst, an unconscionable  Corporate Welfare Tax Cut SCAM that gave trillions of our money to the filthy rich, and Billions upon Billions in subsidies to our farmers that Bozo Trump is destroying with his own trade war tariff insanity:

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