In the new revelation ahead of his book, Andrew McCabe admit he created the special independent counsel of Robert Mueller to try and remove Trump from office. They even talked about wearing a wire to entrap Trump...
Why is this not treason? If it was any other President except Trump...
Hmmm, did Trump say or do anything to warrant this action?
That was the whole basis for the Russian collusion...
Just FYI jackclee: Here in the United States of America we have covert law enforcement investigators like the CIA and FBI who are required to closely monitor individuals such as this person in the following astounding film footage who express public allegiance to our enemies, and solicit espionage and treasonous actions against the USA with the intent to receive said stolen property so he can review it:
It's called collusion and conspiracy against the United States of America and soon, if we STILL have a valid constitution and rule of law in this country, he will pay a severe legal price for his actions in both impeachment and indictments:
We also have what's called a 25th Amendment to be invoked against an incompetent, mentally bankrupt individual sitting in our oval office just like Donald Trump who continues to publicly express his allegiance to our enemies while conducting private meetings with them: Read the Constitution and you just might find his picture as a prime example right next to the amendment :
We don’t have an out of control rogue agent of the FBI who is being investigated for lying to Congress and fired by the President...?
No, but we do have an out of control, ivy league certified mentally ill rogue illegitimate impostor president who expresses his public allegiance to our enemies like Vladimir Putin in Helsinki while trying to drive a wedge between the USA and her allies in NATO just like Putin's "BREXIT" scam which thank GOD will never happen:
McCabe and every other FBI and CIA agent have every right to PROTECT us from a mad oval office occupant until he's exiled and the 25th Amendment was created for a person EXACTLY like Bozo Trump and the way you execute said authority is to mobilize white house cabinet members and VP to REMOVE him:
Racist alt-righters LOST by a record 10 million Democratic votes in the midterms, you would think they might have learned something, like how to stop asking ridiculous fake questions about questioning the loyalty of hero John McCain and our FBI agents:
John McCain is a disgrace to the party. He should have been a democrat, he certainly voted like one.
He was certainly patriotic and honest enough to be a Democrat, but he chose to try and correct the criminals in his own party. Albeit a failing effort as we've seen...
Just FYI, John McCain served in our military as a Great American HERO as a brave, tough as nails naval soldier then as a respected Senator while yellow coward Bozo Trump probably ran and hid under his mattress when he was required to learn how to fire a gun, go through basic training and serve the USA in the armed forces:
Those poor little bone spurs of his must be really achy, unless he's on the golf course
In what kind of world is McCain a disgrace and Trump a hero? Not the one I live in.
Leave it to Jack to opine the outrageous, but then, he thinks Rush is a genius.
The last time he was a hero was during the Vietnam war...
Since being a Senator, he has been wrong on every foreign policy issue.
The last most egregious fault was telling his voters he was going to repeal and replace the ACA and then be the tie breaker vote to keep the ACA in tact.
I call it as I see it.
That's a shame...not that you call it as you see it, but that you see it that way.
Which way is that? Did I make any error in my statement?
Did the Main Stream media accused him of being a racist during the 2008 election cycle? How quickly they forget...
He was the darling of the media, until he won the GOP primary...
Describe the "Main Stream" media, Jack. Could it be any source of news you disagree with? All but Briebart and Fox News? Do tell..
And I was correct about the latter as well. No wonder you're so fact deficient.
And I was correct about the latter as well. No wonder you're so fact deficient.
So you like the Washington Post and MSNBC?
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/cl … verage-was
How soon they forget...
No, he did NOT say that.
"Comey's firing led to the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller. The special counsel is investigating whether Trump's presidential campaign colluded with Russian interference in the 2016 election, and whether Trump obstructed the Justice Department's earlier inquiry into that question."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/andrew- … trump.html
Please quit posting crap from Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh.
Now why would he lie like that? Because the large majority of Mueller's "investigation" is about anyone remotely connected to Trump, and goes back decades to try and find dirt on them. Nothing to do with campaign collusion.
How are the following indicted Trump associates -- all of whom have multiple connections to Russia -- only "remotely connected to Trump"?
- Campaign manager
- Assistant campaign manager
- National security adviser
- Campaign foreign policy adviser
- Personal lawyer
- Longtime political adviser
Likewise, how do you know the status of the collusion part of the investigation?
Senate intelligence report just released a few days ago. There was no Russian collusion...
Apparently, CNN and NBC and NYT did not think it was news worthy...
No, no and no. More propaganda from Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh.
The Republican chair of the committee said they haven't found any collusion yet and that the investigation is continuing.
"Burr did not officially declare on behalf of the committee there was no collusion between Trump and Russia."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ … rr-1159002
A fascinating link. I particularly liked the part where it might take 10 years to find what has so diligently been searched for for the past 2 years.
"Still, the CBS report, published Thursday, revealed Burr felt the implications of the committee's findings could occupy its members for the next decade."
Can we all chant "witch hunt" in unison?
Sure, you guys chant it often, but then, your role model does the same. How's that working out for him and his cronies?
To understand that you'd have to admit none of them involved collusion and understand what is a process crime.
Sorry, no. The DOJ authorization does not limit Mueller to collusion or forbid the investigation of process crimes.
Are you saying Manafort is innocent of colluding with the Russians, Mike? Or lying to the investigators? Or witness tampering?
All a coincidence, eh?
Again, you have to admit that none of the convictions were for collusion. I never mentioned the scope of the investigation. ALSO, do you know the definition of a process crime?
While I certainly don't buy into this "process crime" minimalization many are resorting to Randy, the guilty inference of your "Manafort is innocent" questions isn't correct either.
Relative to determined guilt, he was found guilty of false tax returns, failure to report foreign assets, and bank fraud. Not collusion.
Even though those crimes are within the authority of Mueller's investigation, they are not within the original purpose of the investigation.
Did it find what it was created for - collusion between Trump and Putin to fix the election? Or has it deteriorated in simply finding anything it can, recent or a decade old, that anyone remotely connected to the president did?
Why keep posting the same falsehood? Do I need to link the authorization letter for the 12th time?
What do you know about the investigation that hasn't been revealed to the public?
Can you please answer my previous question rather than changing the subject?
How are the following Trump associates not "remotely connected" to him?
- Campaign manager
- Assistant campaign manager
- National security adviser
- Campaign foreign policy adviser
- Personal lawyer
- Longtime political adviser
So many easy questions, so many evasions.
I know what the authorization, written by politicians for politician's purposes. I also know what was sold to the public as a reason. Do you?
How is it a witch hunt? Because there is no indication it will ever end until it is forced to. Because it has't produced any evidence of it's primary goal, yet continues on.
Only 32 witches found to date....and not over.
Another non-answer at best..
I'm sorry Mueller isn't delivering the information you want according to your personal timetable for the investigation.
You should be. And you should be concerned about a police state using national resources for purely political purposes. J Edgar is alive and well, it seems.
Once again, no answer to a simple set of facts.
Party first, country second.
I always find it interesting here when those on the left speak of collusion. Why? None of them understand what it means. I've posted the legal definition of collusion and what is involves four times and nobody on the left can comprehend the concept.
IF there was collusion that met the legal standards, it wasn't in the Trump campaign, but in the Hillary Clinton campaign. I would start on the case of the false report provided for a FISA warrant. THAT is what was used for the basis of the collusion investigation on the Trump campaign. A false document paid for by the Democrat party and presented to a judge as "the information was paid for by a lawyer," never saying it was the Democrat party. NOTHING in that report has been verified or corroborated, if you think they have, you do not know the meaning of those two words or the legal standards that go with them.
I know people on the left also can't comprehend how wrong all of this is on the part of the FBI, Democrat Party as well as the Hillary campaign, but it is very wrong. There is no collusion by the Trump campaign, but if the same legal standards were applied to the Hillary Clinton campaign, just what is in the public record would be reason enough to bring charges. Why are charges not brought? Go back to a crooked FBI as well as Justice Department.
So, all attempts by the left to remove the duly elected president from office have failed. I am enjoying them being wrong and looking like fools. The problem is those on the left are not smart enough to even comprehend how they are wrong or how they look like fools.
Like the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss."
Since your level of intelligent discussion only involves making snarky comments, I suppose you can do no better. Sigh. Hope you're having a good day Randy.
Since your level of discussion consists of bashing the left with dubious "facts" and rightwing deep state nonsense, I suppose you know no better.
A wonderful day here in the "Deep South" Deep State of Georgia, Mike. Planting roses and fruit trees today.
"There is no collusion by the Trump campaign."
How do you know if the investigation isn't over?
The whole episode, start to finish, is sour grapes that Hillary's attempt to buy the election failed miserably. It is evidence of sour grapes that the left, through intimidation online, through their biased media lackeys and through their coordinated attempts to hoodwink the American people failed miserably.
Sadly, the whole story is being squashed by the aforementioned lackeys. No one who participated will probably ever be held accountable.
Treason? As the story unfolds, it could be reasonably argued as such.
More Proof that there is an 'Establishment' and a "ruling elite' firmly entrenched in our system that do not want to relinquish their control or power, and are egotistical enough to think they can get away with anything.
Proof that the system has become dysfunctional, untrustworthy, and corrupt.
Proof that our leaders, and those that report on our leaders are in collusion and criminal.
The book is not out yet. This is the excerpt everybody is talking about.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … e-atlantic
Apparently investigating whether a foreign power meddled in our elections is proper. If the same had happened under Obama the right would've been fine with it. Hillary was treated likewise.
Hillary was given a pass by Comey... the lying leaker of an FBI director...
It also involved paying for a false document and providing false representation of it to a judge. In any other legal world, these are felonies. I hope there are those on the left that realize misrepresenting/presenting false information to a judge for a warrant is against the law. I don't expect those on the left to read this, but here is the federal statute and an explanation from Cornell Law school.
For those worried about the length of the Mueller probe...
It's been aprox 640 days since Mueller was appointed.
The average length of special counsel investigations, dating back to Watergate, is 904 days.
The longest a special counsel has maintained an investigation was the look into President Bill Clinton's Whitewater real-estate deals. That investigation eventually morphed with the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It went on for 2,978 days.
The investigation into the arms deals around the Iran-Contra affair under President Ronald Reagan went on for 2,420 days.
So, there's more to come, sorry.
Thanks for a useful post. I suspect some people will try to forget it asap.
Yes, this has been pointed out before, in one way or another, but the info seems to evaporate once it hits their amygdala.
LOL. Now we're getting into their brain structure and chemistry. Please tell me more!
My attempt at humor using a few facts to leap to a conclusion that fits my own perception. ;-)
The amygdala processes reflex emotions like fear and anxiety. My theory is that when factual information that contradicts their firmly held beliefs is presented, their fear/anxiety reflex takes over and erases the info.
Hey, my logic is as sound as theirs. Lol
The Clinton/Lewinsky scandal is a good example. It might have started well, but morphed into a purely political witch hunt to remove a president from office. In that it accomplished the goal, albeit as a result of (really stupid) actions taken by Clinton in lying to congress about something that was none of their business anyway and didn't even happen until far into the investigation.
How many indictments did the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal produce?
How many has this one produced so far?
Interesting how people are comfortable with have a president in office who sexually harrasses interns with a history of being accused of rape by more than one woman. A president who paid off women who had accused him of sexual harrassment.
Yes it is, especially from the present POTUS who admitted he grabbed them by the *****. And was accused of assaulting several women as well as paying off a porn actress and playboy bunny.
I don't think your answer addresses the point I'm making. There were no Clinton indictments. We have had 32 so far with Trump.
And if you are suggesting that I am one of those people who overlooked Clinton's behavior, your suggestion is incorrect.
I didn't vote for Clinton, and I was strongly in favor of at least censure by Congress for his behavior.
Well, Mike, believe it or not, I agree with your point. Liberals overlooked President Clinton's harassment of an intern and should formerly disavow him and admit that they made a mistake in supporting him. That support was purely political, proving that pretty much anyone will overlook pretty much anything when it comes to politics. As somebody said, politics over country.
I don't recall the basis for those other investigations being fabricated information provided to a judge. Something actually happened before those investigations occurred. In the case of collusion, nothing occurred, that did not occur must worse with the other campaign. Again, need to comprehend the legal definition of collusion.
How do we know nothing occurred if the investigation isn't over?
Promisern, do you have any idea what's going on with this investigation? Randy is Randy so he'll never know or understand.
James Comey admitted the dossier was fabricated in Congressional testimony. That is a fact. That dossier is what was used as a basis for the investigation. Again, fabricated information was presented to a judge. That was admitted by James Comey himself.
Former FBI Director James Comey admitted that the Bureau did not verify allegations in the Steele dossier before it was cited as grounds for snooping on a former Trump adviser in 2016.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/08/comey-cla … e-hearing/
Your link didn't say anything about Comey admitting the Dossier was fabricated, Mike. You being you, simply made that up...
You also didn't mention the dossier corroborated already known info concerning the investigation. Forgot?
Dictionary result for semantics
the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.
Yes, I do. I read about it constantly. What I know:
- Many Trump associates have had many contacts with Russians.
- 32 people have been indicted and the investigation is ongoing.
- The dossier is irrelevant to the fact that the FBI knew about multiple other contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives.
- An enormous amount of Russian money has flowed into Trump businesses.
Oh Buggers promisem! You didn't give me anything to take issue with. Damn.
The only people who believe the investigations were "fabricated information" are those who listen to Fox News, Mike. Intelligent people know better...
Former acting FBI director: Trump's 'own words' prompted counterintelligence investigation
Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe outlined on Sunday the reasons top officials decided to open a counterintelligence probe and obstruction of justice investigation into President Donald Trump.
In an interview with CBS' Scott Pelley on "60 Minutes," McCabe said Trump had been speaking in a "derogatory way" about the Russia investigation for weeks, which they viewed as an attempt to "publicly undermine the investigation." He said officials were concerned by the President's "own words."
McCabe said officials looked at the following events:
Trump asked former FBI Director James Comey to drop the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn.
Trump asked Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to "include Russia" in a memo the President requested outlining reasons to fire Comey (which Rosenstein did not do).
Trump fired Comey.
Trump made public comments linking his firing of Comey to the Russia investigation on NBC.
Trump met in the Oval Office with Russian officials where Trump reportedly said that firing Comey relieved "great pressure."
Even after the investigation was launched, McCabe said the President continued to praise Russia, and described an instance where Trump said he trusted Russian President Vladimir Putin in blatant contradiction with US intelligence.
McCabe told CBS that Trump didn't believe North Korea had done a missile test because Putin told him the rogue regime didn't have the capability or the missiles to carry out tests for missiles that could hit the US. McCabe said Trump said so during a White House intelligence briefing, which an FBI official who was present at the briefing relayed to McCabe.
"Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses, to which the President replied, 'I don't care. I believe Putin,'" McCabe said.
You mean to tell me you believe the most powerful man on the face of the earth - the President of the US, is an agent of Putin and working to undermine our country?
If that is what you believe, you are insane, and I am being kind.
That is what is so unbelievable and disturbing about this case.
How can high ranking FBI officials think this is a remote possibility?
They have no business being in charge of the FBI...let alone as dog catcher.
This is what happens when you have Barack Obama in charge for 8 years. He has politicized every institution, including the IRS, the DOJ, the FBI and the EPA and gutted our military...
Every individual on this thread is missing the point.
It is NOT the job of the FBI to remove a sitting president. It is the job of the U.S. Congress. The FBI truly did not act within the the scope of their responsibilities. THAT is the problem. A rogue FBI is the sign of a coup d'état. Those responsible need to be dealt with severely to discourage such behavior in the future.
Coming from someone who believes Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, two apparently who have no inside info and no experience in the least with govt. investigations. Great sources..
Would you sing a different tune if the did this to Barack Obama?
Not at all, Jack. If Obama told 1/100th of the number of blatant lies Trump has spun, I would've called for his removal as well. I detest a proverbial liar of any sort, and especially if it's the most important position in the world.
But that's just me. Apparently you respect a liar as your POTUS.
You just lied. Obama did told many lies and you worshipped him. Do you want me to quote them?
Unlike Trump, some of Obama’s liess caused our coutry big time, like ACA and Benghazi...
Some of Trump’s lies didn’t cost us a dime and just ruffled a few feathers on the left and caused them to go into deep depression and outrage and TDS.
Please do quote them and I'll give you 10 of Trump's lies to every one you list. And let's put a few hundred on it to make it worth my while. Are you on, or simply "Trumping it" as usual?
There are so many faleshoods coming from Mike. First off, the investigation into Russia did not start with the dossier. It began when Papadopoulous bragged to the Aussies months earlier and the hacked e-mails.
It is the job of the FBI to investigate national security threats. When a hostile foreign power hacks into one political party and the other political party is bragging about the contents of that hack, publicly bragging about them prior to them being released, directly benefits from their release and forms campaign talking points relating to them, it would be criminal not to investigate.
The evidence that Trump may be compromised or in league with Russia is everywhere:
1.) Russian oligarchs running a money laundering ring two floors below his residence in Trump Tower as recent as 2015.
2.) Trump is offering a $50 million dollar penthouse to Putin in a Trump Tower development deal in Russia for most of the campaign.
3.) Trump publicly asks Russia to find Hillary's e-mails and within hours, Russian hackers attack the DNC and steal content damaging to the campaign.
4.) Trump's son, campaign manager, and son-in-law meet with a known Russian intelligence liaison during the campaign in Trump Tower. They lie repeatedly about having the meeting, what the meeting was about, and who attended.
5.) Trump changes the GOP platform to be pro-Russia in regards to Ukraine.
6.) Trump refuses to enforce sanctions passed by Congress.
7.) Trump eases sanctions on Russian oligarchs implicated in the hacking case.
8.) Trump gives Kislyak intelligence about an Israel operation the same time he brags how firing Comey took the pressure off the Russia investigation.
9.) Trump says on television that he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey.
10.) Trump's campaign manager, Manafort shared campaign polling information with Russia, which in turn used that information to target certain US voters to assist Trump become elected.
11.) Trump's good friend coordinated with Wikileaks about the release of the hacked e-mails.
McCabe, who was investigating and had all these instances of Trump and Russian interaction, and those involved lying about them over and over again, briefed members of Congress about the investigation. That is his job, and none of those briefed raised any objections to that investigation. The fact they discussed the 25th Amendment meant they were debating whether they needed to share the investigation with the cabinet members also. That seems like a discussion of the options.
The bigger question many of us on the left have, is with all the obvious circumstantial evidence tying Trump to Putin, Trump's favoring of Putin's interests, Trump's insistence on eroding all our historical alliances to weaken NATO which only helps Putin, why do those on the right support someone who is so very likely compromised? That's the real treason here.
I'm afraid it is the liberal rag known as the New York Times that is providing false information.
You do realize McCabe only acted once Comey was fired by Donald Trump? President Donald Trump was well within his rights as president to fire the head of the FBI.
Investigations into a sitting president MUST be started by the US Congress. The FBI does not have the authority to move on a sitting president without Congressional authorization. Do you need to read more in the US Constitution?
It's interesting how you are so focused on president Donald Trump and Collusion and ignore the Hillary Clinton campaign. If you are interested in collusion, you should realize how very illegal it is for her campaign to pay a foreign agent to provide a false dossier that was taken to court and misrepresented by the FBI. Guess what? That's illegal.
Why are you so okay with the blatant collusion of the Hillary Clinton campaign?
5.) Trump changes the GOP platform to be pro-Russia in regards to Ukraine.
I know the Ukraine on a very personal level. What the American media doesn't report is that Russia was building up its forces in Crimea and massing on the Ukraine border. President Donald Trump sent huge amounts of offensive weapons including the most advanced tank destroying weapons and missiles to shoot down planes. Those weapons made Russia rethink their invasion from Crimea. President Donald Trump's actions prevented a Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It was in the Kyiv Post daily.
This is not the action of someone who loves Russia. When Russia invaded and took over Crimea, Obama watched it as if it was a reality show and did absolutely nothing. Ukraine fought back Russia and factions in the East on its own. It is an incredible story on how the Ukraine was saved.
You have to ask if Russia was trying to influence the election, why didn't Obama put a stop to it? He warned them and then did nothing. Why didn't he take more action? Was Obama more pro Russia that you want to admit?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- … SKBN1HH395
It's Ukraine and not the Ukraine. Some people in Ukraine take offense to the media calling them the Ukraine and see this as them not recognizing it's sovereignty: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844 just thought you should know this if you have to deal with someone from there.
Your responses only get better.
I'm sure my relatives who live there won't mind that one.
A bigger issue is writing Kiev when the preferred spelling is Kyiv. Kiev is the Russian spelling of the word.
Ви українці ?
Cities are known differently in different languages. Deutschland is Germany in German... your point being?
The Ukraine is supposed to be English as you wrote in English. But it's Ukraine not the Ukraine. As someone who claims to be an English major, I find this funny.
You have a lot to learn about "Ukraine." There is history of being dominated by Russia. Certain things Ukrainians are more sensitive to than others. Eliminating Russian from their society is very important to many Ukrainians. So, when you call their capital Kiev, the Russian version of the word, they will be upset. There is a real effort to have everything changed referring to the capital as Kyiv. News outlets are contacted and asked to use Kyiv rather than Kiev. So, "the Ukraine" is not proper but, not an emotional issue in Ukraine. Using Kyiv instead of Kiev IS a big deal to many Ukrainians.
Have you ever been to Ukraine?
Yes, I was there for 2 months last year (have you?) and this was what most told me about it: If the person says "I'm from Kyiv", that means he or she's originally not. Kievans in most cases would say Kiev and it resonates with this article: https://www.local-life.com/kiev/articles/kiev-or-kyiv
The same with many cities in India, they have British names, Bombay is now Mumbai, but all the old timers still say Bombay. The same with Bangalore, oops I mean Bengaluru and a thousand others. These name changes are not what the people want, but what the nationalistic politicians want. There's little the people can do to oppose them because of the violent minorities that want the same thing as the nationalistic governments.
You need to know what the people want and not what the UN says to call them. The same with recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It only brings on more trouble than necessary.
Have you lived for a decent time or were you brought up in a city whose name is now changed? What do you refer to it as?
EDIT: Also read this: https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editi … e-already/ it shows that Kiev is not the Russian spelling it's the English spelling as I pointed out.
Ви з Києва
I've been to the Ukraine many times. I speak with my relatives who live there a few times a month. What part of the Ukraine did you see? Most people who tell me they visit Ukraine don't go far beyond Kyiv.
My family is from a small town called Kereknye, which is south of the city of Uzhhorod in the western part of the Ukraine. I don't know if you got a chance to see the Carpathian Mountains when you were in the Ukraine, but it is a very beautiful place.
Do you speak much Ukrainian? You can still get by pretty good in Ukraine if you speak Russian. It could be difficult to find people who speak English in many of the small towns.
Nope, I barely know any Ukrainian. But I was mainly in Kiev and didn't really travel much. The point being, I was in Kiev and spoke to the people there who said they mostly call their town Kiev and not Kyiv as that's what they've been calling it for years. The official name in Ukrainian is Kyiv, no doubt, the same way Rome is Roma. In English, Kyiv is Kiev, which also happens to be the Russian name for it.
They are not fans of Russia, but they believe that Kiev existed a long time before all this political play and it was traditionally called Kiev. A lot of the younger generation do call it Kyiv and they have no problem with the younger generation doing so.
The people from the other cities are the ones who bring up the issue, not the many who were born and brought up in Kiev. Never got a chance to visit the mountains, was there on work. So just had the weekends free and just went around the city and a bit of the surrounding with some colleagues.
McCabe acted because it was painfully obvious to everyone that Trump fired Comey because of the investigation into Russia and his campaign. When he admitted to considering the Russia investigation as a reason for the firing (Lester Holt Interview, Oval Office meeting with Kislyak) in the days after, it became clear he committed a crime (obstruction of justice) to protect himself from that investigation. Hence the discussions about the 25th amendment since Nixon would have been removed from office for the very same crime had he not resigned first.
You're right, Trump has the right to fire Comey. But when he says he fired Comey with the Russia investigation in mind, and that investigation pertains to things Trump was clearly involved with, that's a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. I bet if the Senate wasn't in GOP control, articles of impeachment would have been sent long before the release of the Mueller findings for this charge.
McCabe acted to protect the investigation into Russian interference of the 2016 election. Trump acted to obstruct that investigation. In the eyes of those at the FBI, that was a crime. Finding the motives for why Trump would want to avoid deeper questions into his campaign's relationship with Russia demanded a couterintelligence investigation that no one in Congress, when briefed, objected to.
Now, as to your claim to Clinton, that's so blatantly false. The law firm Perkins Cole, representing the DNC and Clinton Campaign, hired Fusion GPS in April of 2016. Fusion GPS is an AMERICAN company. Two months later, that company subcontracted out to Christopher Steele. Clinton did not hire Steele, Fusion GPS did. As for your claims that the dossier is false, please provide proof.
As for your claim about Trump supplying arms to Ukraine as president, that is true. But so was my claim that he changed the GOP platform to be pro-Russia towards Ukraine during the campaign. You cannot dispute that fact. So while Russia was helping him get elected, he was helping them. That's a fact you cannot counter.
As for Obama, he likely made the same assumption many made based on the polling. That Clinton was going to win the election regardless of the Russian efforts. Making a mistaken assumption isn't the same thing as being pro-Russia. Considering both Comey and McCabe acted in ways that also hurt the Clinton Campaign late in the election certainly didn't help her cause either.
"McCabe acted because it was painfully obvious to everyone that Trump fired Comey because of the investigation into Russia and his campaign."
Wrong. Any president worth anything would have fired Comey.
Here are 12 reasons Comey should have been fired. Everything from delaying providing notice to Congress about Clinton's Emails to leaking information to the press and more. Any president would have fired him.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house … ames-comey
"But so was my claim that he changed the GOP platform to be pro-Russia towards Ukraine during the campaign."
No proof President Donald Trump instructed anything. It's only assumptions.
"As for Obama, he likely made the same assumption many made based on the polling. That Clinton was going to win the election regardless of the Russian efforts."
So, you are telling me Russian collusion to try and alter our election would have been okay...as long as Hillary Clinton won the election.
Are you able to see how messed up this logic is in the scheme of things?
"The law firm Perkins Cole, representing the DNC and Clinton Campaign, hired Fusion GPS in April of 2016. Fusion GPS is an AMERICAN company. Two months later, that company subcontracted out to Christopher Steele." Who paid Perkins Cole? They didn't work for free. Who do you think told Perkins Cole what they wanted to see done? Lawyers do what their clients tell them. Christopher Steele is a foreign national. So, are you assuming the law firm just acted on its own or that Hillary Clinton and the Democrat party instructed the Perkins Cole what to do in this situation? You ever deal with attorneys?
That Hill article is about as truthful as your claim that the Steele dossier led to the investigation being opened. But regardless, Trump literally said on two separate occasions that he fired Comey with the Russian investigation in mind. How do you explain those comments away as anything but Obstruction of Justice?
'No proof President Donald Trump instructed anything. It's only assumptions.'
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56831079 … ne-support
I'm definitely not saying collusion is acceptable. Obama did act, directly speaking with Putin and telling him to halt the attacks. Should he have declared war? Immediately after the election, he sought sanctions, which Trump then refused to impose. Again, acting in a pro-Russia manner. Fact.
Perkins Cole is housed in Seattle. Again, in America. Clinton campaign officials were unaware Steele's company had been hired by Fusion GPS and Steele was unaware who would receive his research. If you could provide any proof to the claim you made that they did know, that would be great. But you cannot and are just spewing false conspiracy theories like you tend to do.
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Now that actual evidence of collusion has surfaced, do you think the GOP party should be punished?GOP operative received valuable Democratic voter-turnout analyses from the hacker “Guccifer 2.0”, (a fabricated persona — created by Russian intelligence services.) - Aaron Nevins received...
by Scott Belford 13 months ago
Over 15, close or very close associates of Donald Trump or his campaign have had contacts with Russia and Russian spies. How can this not be a conspiracy that Trump didn't know about??- Flynn - National Security Advisor (pleaded guilty)- Sessions - Former Attorney General (fired by Trump for...
by Ralph Schwartz 2 years ago
What are your thoughts on the attempted assassination of the GOP whip today?Rep. Steve Scalise Shot in Virginia During Baseball practice this morning - details are still being released. Is this a harbinger of things to come in US politics ? The shooter was armed with a lot of ammunition...
by Mahsa S 3 years ago
How will the U.S change if we have the first ever female President Hillary Clinton?How will the U.S change if we have the first elected female president Hillary Clinton? Pros and Cons? For the greater Good?
by Jack Lee 22 months ago
I am just curious about the media and some on the left who bought into this investigation by Mueller.Now, with all the recent revelations and crimes commited by top FBI officials and the Comey book...How many are now convinced that this was a witch hunt? Concocted by the DOJ and FBI high ranking...
by ga anderson 2 years ago
This should be a hot one. The much anticipated Special Counsel's first indictments have been unsealed - and they aren't about Pres. Trump and Russian election collusion, (yet???)But like a lyric from a song; 'whoo eee, whoo eee babyyy...' It sure paints an ugly picture. And one that seems to be a...
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