What is the problem with having a Straight Pride Parade?
"Organizers of the Straight Pride Parade tentatively plan to host the event Aug. 31, Sahady wrote, and have filed a discrimination complaint against Boston for permission to fly their straight pride flag.
The parade will include floats and vehicles, Sahady wrote, and will run from Copley Square to City Hall — the same route as the official Pride parade will take Saturday."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va … 1dd588e341... what is the problem?
Wondering too.I'm with you Mike, but it's not enough.
We need a straight-white-man pride parade! We're such a neglected group. It would be nice, just for once, if the focus was on us.
I've been hearing so much lately about non-straight-white-male people, I'm starting to think we're not more important than everyone else in the world. It's so confusing.
Sure, some say Pride is about a marginalized group using celebration and positive affirmation to counter discrimination, violence and prejudice. Don't buy it! Anything that does not elevate straight-white-men above every other person on the planet is obviously heterophobic, racist, sexist and weird. We won't be oppressed in this way. We want the recognition in society that we are so clearly lacking. Right Mike?Don W, you took the words out of my mouth. I was going to post that but I didn't want to be guilty of hate speech so I subdued my response. We don't need to celebrate the majority but to celebrate the minorities who are oftentimes disrespected, demonized, & even marginalized.
Your sarcasm is duly noted.
It is a shame only certain groups are permitted to be proud of who they are. Does a person who is born straight give up their right to be proud of who they are?What is it specifically about being straight that you’re proud of?
I've often wondered that: whether it be race, sexuality, naturally curly hair or anything else you've inherited, what is there to be proud of? You did nothing extraordinary or special; what are you proud of?
I also ask the same question when people are proud about something their ancestors did. Be proud of them not because of them. I guess when you have nothing to really be proud of, you take what you can get.
The only reason it's gay pride is because people used to shame folk for being gay. They ended up saying I'm not ashamed of who I am, I'm proud of who I am. Then pride grew to help those who are in the same situation come out and live their life.
EDIT: I said used to. But it's still the case.Yes, exactly. The “pride” comes from refusing to be ashamed of something you have no control over despite historically being told that you should be.
I’m curious as to what kind of shame and hardship those supportive of a straight pride parade have endured due to their sexuality.I disagree. I believe pride comes from being proud of who you are. If the left was as inclusive and supportive of people being who they are as they claim, they would support this parade.
Instead, they choose to discriminate against people because of their sexual identity. The left has turned into those they claim to oppose. It is so hypocritical.
So, it's a just a parade. What's the problem?Yes we disagree, for I nothing to be "proud" of for what you were given without your choice. Only in what you have accomplished and done.
No problem with me - gays and anyone else can march all they want to, proclaiming to themselves how proud they are that they are gay, black, brown, female, or blond for all I care. They are welcome to do so. Just don't ask me to be proud for them that they have two y chromosomes or dark skin; they did nothing to get it and I don't see a reason to be proud of it.As stated earlier, the gay pride is not a I am proud of who I am, it is a protest against people who say you should feel shame for who you are.
"Instead, they choose to discriminate against people because of their sexual identity."
Exactly Mike! We're the one's being discriminated against! People just don't see that.
I mean, just because no straight person has ever been told they can't adopt a child purely because they're straight, even though they are financially secure and in a loving relationship, doesn't mean we don't have our share of problems.
Just because no straight person has ever had a baker refuse to take their money for a wedding cake, purely because they are straight, doesn't mean things aren't difficult for us too.
Just because no teacher has ever been fired, because a school administration found out they were straight, doesn't mean we're not victims.
Just because there is no country anywhere in the world where you can be imprisoned purely for being straight, doesn't mean we don't suffer.
Just because there is no country anywhere in the world where the penalty for being straight is death, doesn't mean we have it easy.
Just because there is no religion anywhere in the world where being straight is considered evil or sinful, doesn't mean we don't have our own hardships.
Just because "straight panic" (murdering someone as a result of "panic" after finding out they are straight) is not an accepted legal defense that has been successfully used to get away with murder, doesn't mean our lives are a bed of roses.
Sure, those things are a reality for many gay people, but none of that compares to us being denied our right to hold a straight-white-male pride parade. That's the real discrimination, and we musn't stand for it. Amirite?Who knew those were requirements to be met before you could hold a parade to be proud of who you are? Hey, we're being told we can't have a parade to celebrate who we are because of our sexual orientation. There are softball leagues in New York you have to be gay to join, there are clubs in Los Angeles you can enter unless you are gay and more. We have felt the cold slap of prejudice simply because we are heterosexuals. We'll leave out the gay serial killers who focused on straight people.
Exactly Mike! We're the real victims here.
But hold on, let me get this right, you say we're not allowed to join a softball league in NY!? Un-friggin-believable! This is a prime example of our struggle.
The Left goes on about the death penalty being inflicted on gay people in some parts of the world . . . yada yada yada, but when we get stopped from joining a softball league, do they say anything about that injustice? Of course not.
How typical of the left. They care all about gay people's rights to not be killed, but when it comes to our rights to join a softball league (in NY) that's somehow trivial! Somehow less important!
I'm so angry Mike. I can't understand how straight white men can be oppressed in this way, and no one gives a damn! It's shocking. But stay strong brother. Our struggle is real, but we will endure!
I guess. If you can't find anything else, be proud of the genetics your parents gave you, even if you had nothing to do with it.
Personally I'll take pride in actions I've accomplished well, above and beyond the norm, and if that includes showing the courage to accept what I am, then fine - call it "pride" if it makes you happy to do that.
I would say if it were not for heterosexuals, there would be no homosexual community. It requires heterosexual relations to create all of us. That makes me proud.
You’re really gonna sit here and pretend you’re proud of your ancestors boinking just so you can make a point that you have every right to be petty, eh? And to think, it’s usually you guys on the right complaining about the left’s temper tantrums... sheesh.
Well, if my ancestors were all monogamous gay couples I wouldn't be here. The same goes for you and everybody else. This is just a fact of life.
Just think of the inventions created by heterosexuals, math that has been developed as well as advances in medicine by heterosexuals. There is a lot to make us feel proud about who we are.You think there are no homosexuals who contributed? Da vinci was at the most bi, or definitely gay among many others. Also, you could have had homosexual ancestors. It was not accepted in some cultures and many gay people married straight folk as they were forced into it or be ostracised. So yes, in all these generations just considering probability you mostly had at least one gay ancestor.
Oh lord, the idea of a straight pride parade is totally preposterous. Straight people are in the majority & were never discriminated against because of their straightness. However, throughout history, LBGT people demonized, even marginalized. Yes, they have an unmitigated right to express their pride.
The idea of straight pride is like having male pride, religious pride, & or pride of the majority. The majority have support from society. It is minorities to have to fight to get their voices heard. It is minorities who must express how proud they are of their uniqueness & to get respect.
"Pride" is a great word is it not?
pride
/prīd/
noun
1. a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
"he takes great pride in his appearance"
synonyms: pleasure, joy, delight, gratification, fulfillment, satisfaction, sense of achievement; More
2. confidence and self-respect as expressed by members of a group, typically one that has been socially marginalized, on the basis of their shared identity, culture, and experience.
"the bridge was lit up in rainbow colors, symbolic of LGBT pride"
3. consciousness of one's own dignity.
"he swallowed his pride and asked for help"
synonyms: self-esteem, dignity, honor, self-respect, ego, self-worth, self-image, self-identity, self-regard, pride in oneself, pride in one's abilities, belief in one's worth, faith in oneself; amour propre
"the triumphs of war were a source of pride to them"
4.LITERARY: the best state or condition of something; the prime.
"in the pride of youth"
5. a group of lions forming a social unit.
verb
verb: pride; 3rd person present: prides; past tense: prided; past participle: prided; gerund or present participle: priding
1. be especially proud of (a particular quality or skill).
"she'd always prided herself on her ability to deal with a crisis"
synonyms: be proud of, be proud of oneself for, take pride in, take satisfaction in, congratulate oneself on, flatter oneself on, preen oneself on, pat oneself on the back for, revel in, glory in, delight in, exult in, rejoice in, triumph over;I don't care who you want to sleep with, straight or otherwise. Keep it in the bedroom.
Funny? I don't know. Sex should be a private matter. Why would someone be "proud" that they are gay or straight? Who cares? Not me.
Forgive me if I'm to proud to answer you. lol.
(- you forgot the second o in too.)
I forgive you if you are too proud to answer me. But it is very hard to overlook that omission of the second o.
Omg! You can borrow that one. Or another one. We Americans are a forgiving lot. (More o's). But was the meaning there?
A better parade:
"I am proud that I do not sleep with (have sex with) anyone. Ever!"
OR: "I am proud that I am waiting for marriage to sleep with (have sex with) anyone! "NO MORE unwanted pregnancies and abortions!"Those things are under your control, so I agree with those sentiments.
why have a parade about it, though?
A parade is something for the benefit of sharing great things in the community.
So, homosexuality is a great thing in the community?
Maybe in West LA and BostonThat's interesting. I had a friend who was one heck of an MP, receiving all kinds of awards for her service in Iraq. She explained there were quite a number of gay women in the military. Maybe, with all the resentment she felt at home - she wanted to fight somebody, and not Americans.
Our Central Ohio Doo-Dah Parade has all of those.
In case you didn't know, married people have unwanted pregnancies. And abortions.
You said: "I am proud that I am waiting for marriage to sleep with (have sex with) anyone! "NO MORE unwanted pregnancies and abortions!"
I was using that as an excuse to have a parade. Something to be proud of.
The post should have looked like this:
"A better reason to have a pride parade:
"I am proud that I do not sleep with (have sex with) anyone. Ever!"
OR: 'I am proud that I am waiting for marriage to sleep with (have sex with) anyone! "NO MORE unwanted pregnancies and abortions!' "
Chris Evans blasts group planning 'Straight Pride' parade in Boston
Chris Evans blasted a group of men planning to hold a "Straight Pride" parade in his hometown of Boston as "homophobic" on Wednesday.
The Marvel star took to Twitter to tell the men that instead of focusing on people's sexual orientation, they should look inside themselves.
'Wow! Cool initiative, fellas!! Just a thought, instead of 'Straight Pride' parade, how about this: The 'desperately trying to bury our own gay thoughts by being homophobic because no one taught us how to access our emotions as children' parade? Whatta ya think? Too on the nose??" Evans tweeted to 12.2 million followers.'"How is having a Straight Pride parade homophobic? How does it have anything with gay people? They get to be pride of who and what they are so Straight people should be able to show their pride as well. Talk about double standards.
Lordy, Lordy... As Don W.'s post illustrates, there is a drought of sensible topics in these forums the last few days. Alas, like Don, here I am too.
I don't see how you can defend this issue as not being about homophobia. If you are proud of something doesn't that have to mean you are proud because you are not something else?
What is that "something else" they, (you?), are proud they are not?
GA"I don't see how you can defend this issue as not being about homophobia."
That is like saying a St. Patrick's Day Parade is anti-England. It clearly has nothing to do with England.
Sometimes a parade about being proud of who you are is just about being proud of who you are. It's just that simple.But the gay pride parade is not a parade, it's a protest. You may have to do some reading on its origins. What are you protesting about for being straight? If you just want a parade for the sake of it, go ahead.
Why do gays have to put on a parade? They are not being sensitive to heterosexuals. I think that's the real protest underlying the opposition.
Want to know why? Begin with Wikipedia and go on from there. This works with almost all topics you are unfamiliar with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride
" It's just that simple."
Sure it is Mike. The words are innocent and the justification is unassailable - on the surface. An effort that I am not unfamiliar with.
Your explanations demand that appearance be accepted as fact. I don't accept that.
Why are you proud of being Straight?
GAGA,
Why would I have to justify to you or anybody else why I am proud of who I am? Your question appears to be a bit pompous and arrogant.
??? With that line of thinking are gay people guilty of heterophobia?
That's a fair question Live to Learn. My answer would be no.
I can't speak for them, but would it be unthinkable that their pride could be in the courage to own something that is generally condemned in our society?
That is what I think their "Pride" parades stand for. Which means that I think my original question was also a fair one; What are 'straights' proud of about being straight?
GAWho condemns LGBT people anymore?
If one person out of 1000 is inconsiderate, is that reason to make such a claim? Because, I believe the number is much smaller.
I think the bigger problem is everyone wants to be either the victim, or a defender. So, they go out of their way to argue some imaginary moral high ground.
If you condemn a person for being proud of their individuality you are no different from someone condemning any other person for any other thing."If you condemn a person for being proud of their individuality you are no different from someone condemning any other person for any other thing."
Given the context of this thread, is that what you think I am doing?
If so, you are wrong.
GAYes, judging by your comments you are condemning one group for consideringng doing exactly as another.
Sorry LTL, as arbiter, I'm gonna have to side with Gus on this one..
The cool thing about you is that you never surprise me.
I feel the same about you, LTL.
It's good to know your....adversaries?Are we adversaries? I don't see it that way but I also don't consider people with opposing views as enemies. Life would be quite boring if everyone thought the same.
That's why I used a question mark, LTL. We agree on something after all.
And that is where you are wrong Live to Learn. It is not one group doing exactly what another does.
If I am the one that is wrong it is because I do not accept the declaration that a Straight Pride parade has nothing to do with the Gay Pride parades, not because I am condemning one group for doing the same as another.
Do you really equate the motives of the two?
GA
You really are old and blind. Who condemns anymore it seems. Women also have equality everywhere.
I grow tired of your personal attacks. If you are incapable of conversing without offering insult, please stop responding to my posts
I am just using the opposite wordings of what you use on me. Simple. Also you choose to ignore any real data that we give you, so why bother. Anime gave you some links, but as usual you ignore it. I'm going to keep being direct, try and get me banned maybe. I thought you don't take offense to anything people say here? What's wrong?
Maybe you don't pay attention to how you write, or maybe you have no experience in civil discourse.
Either way. I'll explain to you. One set of data is not all we have available to go on. Nor is it advisable to take interpretation of a limited set of information by an individual that is completely at odds with observable reality and use it to completely negate the latter.
Either way. I am offering my opinion, based on what I have seen, read and experienced. You are welcome to disagree, I don't think disagreeing warrants attacking the individual you disagree with.
I am not here to bully you into agreeing with me. I am simply offering an alternative view. I realize independent thought is unfashionable and scary, to some. I suggest you deal with it gracefully.No where in your response do I see a statement that suggests "in your experience". But whatever. Civil discourse is for people with a certain mindset, some don't deserve it. You choose to attack someone personally when you wish but can't take it when someone does the same to you.
Let me teach you something: Treat others the way you expect to be treated. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, that's another common saying, but maybe an old cat can. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?Again, you have not advanced your ideas. You have only attempted to invalidate mine by attempting to disparage me, personally.
The only time I can remember that I 'attacked you' was when I suggested your claims were difficult to believe because to have had time to get enough experience under your belt in order to make a far reaching claim you would have needed to devoted enough time and study to back them up or had decades of personal experience. You offered evidence of neither.
Your opinion carries no more weight than that of another. I harbor no delusions of grandeur and rarely support them in others.What about the links provided through this forum discussion? They provide no weight either?
Yeah, I am referring to your comment of me being young. All my comments are referring to you being too old, nothing more.You did understand the difference between 'young' (which you have repeatedly made a point of ensuring I was aware of) and 'too old' which I have never made a claim to?
Even your insistence that you are young is,basically, unverifiable.
now aren't you a funny one. When I think you can't get any crazier, you prove me wrong, time and time again.Ahhh. The, I can't refute the statement so I respond with a claim of having proven my point fallback.
I am not surprised.You expect me to upload a birth certificate online? That too for a person with a cat avatar? Yeah right, keep dreaming kitty.
First, don't bother. It still would not prove you were who you claimed to be.
Second, if it's as easy as accepting the avatar as the person you are speaking with don't you feel foolish talking to a cat?
Third, the internet is a wonderful space to hear other points of view. That's it. Don't let the fact that someone says 'yeh' or 'good point' fool you. With above 7 billion people in the world someone agreeing with you (or me) doesn't mean jack.True, the opinions of some people don't matter because they have no influence on changing anything. I do feel foolish talking to a cat, but when the cat is showing some level of intelligence it would be a shame not to interact.
Lol. Has it occurred to you we appear to have way too much time on our hands?
Of course, it has. But, while I type here, I'm usually contemplating what I could do with my research. I'm a procrastinator that thinks about something while doing something else.
Sadly, I've found my penchant for procrastination has gotten worse. I could be working on practicing setting up excel reports to track my new team. I was recently shocked at my poor grasp of excel formulas and have vowed to be more than proficient by the time this job starts.
Would you deem this merely “inconsiderate”?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-k-women … -1.5166798
What about the 70 countries where it’s still illegal to be gay? Is “playing victim” still a bigger problem than that?
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/03/world/ … ogle.ca%2F
“Who condemns LGBT people anymore” might just be the silliest thing someone’s said in this thread and it’s a pretty high bar, so congrats.
A killer, murdering kids in school? Head of the gestapo, torturing jews to death? A child molester, abusing small children for the pleasure it gives?
On the other hand, not being those things comes pretty natural to most of us - there is no effort involved and thus nothing to be proud of.Let me just say...I have no idea what you are talking about or how it ties into the subject of the thread.
He is saying that you don't really have anything to be proud of if it's not your achievement. Very related to this topic.
Cute, but misapplied. Gays can be all those things too.
GA
Thanks for the common sense here, Ga.
They can have a parade if they want, just like homosexuals can have a parade.
Obviously.
BUT WHY?Maybe we should back up (oops) and ask:
What is the problem with having an "I am proud to be a homosexual!" parade?When all else fails read the link the OP provides.
'The event to celebrate heterosexuality in one of the nation’s most gay-friendly cities is meant
to poke fun at the “identity politics” of the political left,'
organizer Mark Sahady wrote in a Facebook comment.
The parade organizers have designed a flag and designated actor Brad Pitt as their “mascot.” For them, everything is based upon identity and whether or not one is categorized as a victim or an oppressor,' Sahady wrote on Facebook.
'If you get victim status then you are entitled to celebrate yourself
and expect those with oppressor status to defer to your feelings.'"You would also very likely not be here if your ancestors did not have gay siblings who at one point in history helped raise the family of their sibling since they had no family of their own. But I will not ask you to learn about this because as always this is something you are not paid for and you would rather remain uneducated.
I don't think there were that many in history.
There's only about two percent now.Only 2 percent. lol. Where are you getting your facts? It's around 10% and those are estimates with most people not willing to be open about it. Even if it were 2%, that's still huge.
Here's a study sponsored by the CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdfFirst of all this is a survey. People lie because they are scared. It's interesting to see how the percentage changes with generations just because it is easier to be out today. Look at some countries in Europe, they have higher percentages because they are a lot more civilized in these countries (Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden etc) than in the USA in the sense of equal rights and discrimination. Having equality in law does not translate into equal treatment and non-jugemental views in society just before you say they have equal rights in the USA.
I'm not related to any homosexuals. Seriously.
Of course, they won't tell you with that attitude. You definitely do in your extended family.
Great idea. Maybe do it after someone is killed, denied the right to marry or the right to adopt or when they are fired from work just for being straight.
Didn't know that was a requirement for being proud of who you are...seems a bit unfair.
There are Gay softball leagues and other gay organizations where people who are straight are not permitted to participate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/spor … mp;gwt=pay
Do you think gay people don't kill straight people?
Here is a list of gay mass murderers
https://kgov.com/homosexual-mass-murderers
I interviewed for a job at a small law firm once and was told they only hired gay people so, it was nice talking to me.
What's your point? People should be permitted to be proud of who they are including being straight.Killed for being straight not killed by gay people.
I never said there should not be a straight parade. Have whatever parades you want as long as no people are harmed in the process. My response was not to your original post if you go back and look, it was to the thread in general and as a top level comment. It was in response to those that were questioning why there is a need of a parade in the first place."I interviewed for a job at a small law firm once and was told they only hired gay people so, it was nice talking to me."
Wow, did you report that? It's against the law to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.This was tried against this law firm after me. It didn't go well.
Southern California has something called the Gaystapo...and they can make your life very difficult.
You have to carefully pick your battles. Left and got a better position at another firm.
You are succinct in your analysis. Again, the idea of a straight pride parade is beyond ridiculous & into the quite insane. Straight pride? Oh yeah. Get real..........
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago
0Of course they can have a Straight Pride parade. It should be given the attention it deserves..
PP, there will be SOME who will give straight pride attention. They will vehemently proclaim that straight people have rights too. Others among them will even go so far to state that straight people are discriminated against. When will this end? WHEN WILL THIS END?????
Straight pride is just starting. If you deny a straight pride parade...aren't you discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Have a straight day, call it straight pride if you want but pride is the opposite of shame in this case. It's called gay pride because for eons the LGBT folk were shamed. It really goes against logic to have a straight "pride" unless there are people being shamed for being straight. Be proud of who you are, but as someone pointed out, you cannot have an independence day without having to break free from something.
It's the same reason womens day is such a big thing, because women were discriminated against and not treated equally. There are some men who say they want a mens day for "equality", they can have it. But it has no significance, not yet, not until men are being discriminated against for being men. Maybe that day will come, but it's not today.
You are right: in all things "pride" cometh before the fall. Convert straight and gay pride into love and we all can have a Humble Parade together.
This is like the social identity equivalent of everyone getting a participation trophy.
Exactly. What LENGTHS some people will go through TO GET ATTENTION. Straight people are in the majority- they are supported by this society. They need no parade...………...
These people don't want attention, they like having power over others and want to feel supreme. It's not attention. Most of these people would have been the bullies and now they cannot do that, so they want to fight to get back their right to bully.
Succinct as usual yet again! Excellent answer!
Interesting how taking pride in who you are frightens so many people on the left. Being born straight is nothing to be ashamed of and we have every right to feel pride in who we are just like anybody. YOU don't get to determine who can and can not be proud of themselves. This is a prime example of hypocrisy of the left. I can be proud of who I am...but don't YOU be proud of yourself unless I approve.
Just wait until they find out it's more than just okay to be white. That'll give them a shock.
I would be satisfied if people realized if you are European you have nothing to be ashamed about at all. Yes, European people can be proud of who they are and there is nothing wrong with it.
I've not met any European who was ashamed of who they are just because of where they were born or the colour of their skin. Where do you meet these gems? Or is this just something you wish was happening so that you can go against the "left" for whatever that is worth.
I agree. European Americans should not be ashamed, nor African Americans or anyone else who is straight; nor if they are gay.
Who are YOU to determine who does and does not get a parade? Straight people pay taxes, have businesses and more. I know the type of attention this is bringing. The hypocrisy of the left. That is what this is showing to everyone.
Having straight pride parade is same like England celebrating Independence day. Its same like celebrating Mens' Day.
Interesting how you associate a person celebrating who they are with the political history between two nations. It makes no sense. Why not celebrate Men's Day? In the Ukraine and other countries they celebrate Women's Day. It is a huge celebration. So, if you are born a guy, you should not be respected?
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago0
Aw, some white men are scared they won't be able to reign supreme forever. Don't worry, guys. You'll survive equality.
"some white men are scared"
That's a pretty racist comment.
Do you think you have become that which you hate?From your lips to God's ears, because I am not so sure I will.
Speaking of God's ears, (and in a similarly serious vein), I stumbled across Good Omens, an Amazon Prime series. Watched 6 episodes of season one. An enjoyable watch. It plays hell with Christian dogma.
GAI'm not sure I've seen you recommend entertainment before. I do pay more attention to you than you likely realize.
Per your recommendation, I am acquiring season one.Hey there Wesman. It was part of a flip remark in a less-than-serious thread. But I did enjoy the episodes. The guy that plays the demon is extraordinary.
The undertone and the obvious statement of the show is also topical to our times. I think you will enjoy it, but ... it does beat the hell out of typical Christian religious dogma, (not necessarily Christian belief, but the dogma of their organized religious teachings).
Get back to me after to watch a couple of shows. I watched it on a Prime free trial. They may have hooked me because now I want to continue watching.
GA
I'll give it a try. I'm looking for something new to binge watch.
This is why you still need womens day and gay pride: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/gay-coup … t-9854367/
Many people still grow up thinking women are objects and being LGBT is a problem. To many of these perverts, it is a problem that they love watching but can't accept.Here, get your flag guys, get to the streets and stop whining.
Definitely, the woman is below the man. Both need to be on the same level.
Exactly. Just said this in different words in a reply a few minutes ago.
This gives me an idea. Maybe we should have a Christian pride day.
"The truth is, persecution is more prevalent and geographically dispersed than any other time in history. Approximately 215 million Christians worldwide experience very high to extreme persecution. Newsweek reported in January 2018 that “the persecution and genocide of Christians across the world is worse today than at any time in history.”
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/christi … -faith-tooWell, the difference is that religion is a choice. Even if it were not, you are not persecuted from within your religion. It is outsiders. But for gay people, you are very often persecuted by your own parents. Get the difference?
Belief isn't a choice. You either believe something, or you do not. You don't get to choose to believe things.
Yes. You choose to believe climate change is a hoax. It is a choice. I can choose to change my religion from Christian to Buddhist if I want to. I cannot choose to be straight as much as you cannot choose to be gay.
Nope. Belief doesn't work like that. You believe something, or you do not. Experiences influence belief. Belief can not be forced or chosen.
You try and be a young Christian boy and tell your Muslim parents you want to be a Christian. This has happened and the prosecution has been severe. If homosexuality is not a choice, what happened to Ellen's ex Ann Heche who got married and has kids?
You do know that thousands of people every year leave the gay lifestyle each year? Here are some of he celebrities who have done it.
https://www.josephnicolosi.com/collecti … -lifestyleDid you choose to be straight? Would you feel sick to sleep with a guy? I'm gay and I know it's not a choice. If it were it would be so much easier. I would not have to leave the country I was born in either. You know jack shit of what it is. So please don't talk about it. The people who change are bisexual that's a thing and it's the B in LGBT in case you did not know.
It definitely is easier to stop drinking water through your mouth and get all your water through an enema. You would only change when you have no other choice and you would feel like shit while you do it.
If I choose to become Muslim that is again, my choice. It's not something my parents gave me through birth. So it is not something they need to accept. I can choose to be muslim or whatever else. I am not born Christian, I am baptised when I'm a few days old or whatever. Huge difference.
Your statement is like this: Parents kick child out of their house or Child murdered because s/he had red hair. Only witches have red hair. This was a thing too in the past.Well, at an early age I knew I was a Christian. I had strong feelings about Christianity that would not leave me. As I got older, I had no choice but to admit to myself I was a Christian. It's not as if who I worshiped was my choice. But, I have relative who are Jewish, and I have gone to temple with them. I suppose that makes me a bi-believer. I often ask myself if I had a choice considering my family has Jewish roots. Did I choose Christianity or did it choose me? Only God knows and the conflict that rages within.
So if you grew up isolated on an island you would still be Christian. Good to know. I'm sure God would have sent down the holy spirit and bestowed on you all the wisdom that lay in the Bible without you having ever read it.
I know some missionaries you should speak with about their contacts with tribes located in jungles. You would be amazed at what they know without contact from civilized society.
Wanting to show pride in who you are should not be attacked. If the left was as open and accepting of other people as they claim, they would support this idea.
Instead, it gets attacked and the left once again look like hypocrites.Like I said, have all the parades you want. My question is what are you protesting about. If you want a straight pride in line of the gay pride, you should also be protesting something in line with the gay protest against inequality. If not, it's not the same thing.
If you just want to have a parade for the fun of it or to be proud of who you are, go ahead. Also, there is the carnival which is to do with Christianity and is celebrated the world over before Lent. It is a parade as well. There is no artsy parade that I know of though, that could be something fun.It almost seems like we have to have a parade. We just got a flag.
That's the truth. I read an article written by a woman from California who moved to Iowa. She was scared to death, from all she had heard about the 'fly over states'.
She was a liberal, but realized after moving there that the conservative community was much more accepting of individuality than what she had become accustomed to in a liberal stronghold. She was shocked, yet happy to have found a place to live that truly lived the values of acceptance of others.As I said before, go ahead and have your Straight Pride parade and it will get the attention it deserves.
Those who might try to stop it should just sit back and let y'all display yourselves to the world. Then people will know the true intent.
Truth is rarely a bad thing.Have you done the research on those organizing this parade? Just wondering.
https://thinkprogress.org/organizers-be … c225cc7f0/
Just more affirmation for me about how far to the right some people at this site are skewed.Yep, but we're supposed to swallow the "I'm just proud to be straight" explanation. Bigots often think everyone is as dumb as they are.
Of course not everyone, but quite a few are.
I'd say some bigots are dumb. They tend to find problems where none exist. I suppose it's to hide their bigotry. They see some groups as less than others, giving them quarter where they choose to condemn others for similar choices. I wonder why?
I sense some serious pussyfooting going on. If you're referring to me, yes, I condemned bigots and those who believe their BS. Guilty as charged.
Pussyfooting? Not in the least. I just assumed if you wanted to insult random strangers you know absolutely nothing about so the only purpose served appears to be a penchant for virtue signaling, I'd chime in.
As others have pointed out, it's not too difficult to figure out that the motivation for a Straight Pride parade is not being accurately represented here, either intentionally or.....you figure it out.
And to be clear, I wasn't insulting random strangers.
I can suppose that the motivation for a straight pride parade is an underlying insecurity. There are straights who contend that they are left out of an ever-changing, evolving society. They maintain that minority groups such as the LGBT community are getting the shine whereas they...….AREN'T. They feel that they as a social group are insignificant so they want to declare their importance by having a pride parade. They feel IRRELEVANT & a PRIDE parade is a way to EMPHASIZE their relevance so to speak.
Yes, that is possible, and I doubt it would have ever occurred to these people to declare pride n being straight, EXCEPT as a direct response to gay pride. What does that say about their true motivation?
But, as I keep saying, let them have their parade and display themselves for all the world to see.
Ok. You had specific people in mind. Completely understandable.
I have to say, I recently read an in-depth article about conservatives vs liberals and the five moral foundations. It kind of shined a light on things I already knew. On the surface, it could be viewed as kind of good for liberals (written by a liberal so one would hope), but deeper consideration helped me see why there is a propensity for behavior involving insulting those you disagree with and labeling without the courtesy of attempting to understand the viewpoint of others.
In a nutshell, the only litmus test appears to be care and fairness. Which is an admirable endeavor. But, when you just lump people by one singular thought in your own mind what you end up doing is having absolutely no commitment to the broadest interpretation of care and fairness for the group, as a whole.
Exacerbate that short sighted stance with a lack of consideration for a sense of loyalty to all humans, a lack of respect for the authority of the law or the sanctity of any of the freedoms this nation was built on (which, according to the liberal take in the article all liberals lack) a thinking mind begins to understand the problems we are currently experiencing.
Basic rights cannot be stripped from one group, in order to believe it somehow helps another. This approach will see a constant flux of victimization, attempts to 'make up' for wrongs the unthinking crowd believes others have committed. We would be forced to constantly play out this virtue signaling.
It's the cause du jour for those who choose to abdicate thought and reflection. It's diet food for the mind. Makes you feel good (because you believe it is healthy) but always leaves one hungry. It also causes that liberal to constantly feel guilty because he breaks the diet often. He also live in fear of others finding out he's broken the diet and turning on him like the rabid dog crowd he runs with.
It leaves him hungry because it is based on the premise of 'me good, everyone else bad'.Wow, that's quite the dissertation. All that because I said "Bigots often think everyone is as dumb as they are."
Link to the article? Sounds like an interesting read.The point of that dissertation was to say that since you had someone particular in mind (probably me) you are making a judgement without full knowledge. It's like religion. You take an ounce of knowledge attained through a random statement, you wrap it up in 15 oz of your preconceived notions and biases and then blurt out a pound of judgement. It's superficial and does nothing to promote cross understanding. It's virtue signaling, for virtue signaling's sake.
But, the link you asked for
https://c4aa.org/2017/08/the-5-moral-foundations/I wasn't thinking of you, but that explains a lot.
As for the rest, I stand by my statement, which was pretty clear and uncomplicated. "Bigots often think everyone is as dumb as they are."
I don't know how you managed to twist and mangle it to mean all that other stuff you wrote, but it is a testament to the power of the human mind to deceive itself.
I will read your link.Deleted
I was referring to the white nationalists mentioned in a link provided by someone else. I agree that they might not think they are bigots. They are pretending their motivation for the parade is nothing more than pride in being straight. I think people who swallow that explanation are either pretending they don't see the true motivation or are gullible or easily duped.
My opinion. I get that you are implying I am also a bigot for saying so, even though I have made it crystal clear I support their right to display their "pride" in being heterosexual. Let them display themselves for the rest of us to see.I think it is best to take someone at their word until they prove, through their actions, that the word is false. If we just arbitrarily condemn people for something because we think they might be thinking something then we have to step back and wonder why we thought that in the first place.
Maybe. Unless I missed it, though, I don't think anyone answered the question: Why are you proud of being straight?I
That would go a long way toward helping us skeptics understand.
Here is the Grand Marshall's take (I added the bold)
"-Yiannopoulos explained why he is taking part in the event. “I might technically be a sequined and perfectly coiffed friend of Dorothy’s, but I’ve spent my entire career advocating for the rights of America’s most brutally repressed identity—straight people—so I know a thing or two about discrimination,” Yiannopoulos said. “This parade is a gift to anyone, male or female, black or white—gay and transgender allies, too!—who will stand with us and celebrate the wonder and the majesty of God’s own heterosexuality.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 … rshal.htmlProof was in Charlottesville. That was about statues, then it turned into hate speech as the people marched.
I see they have named a gay guy as marshall for the straight pride event. What do you make of that? (Forgetting that it is Milo, who is difficult, if not impossible, to watch. He definitely lacks people skills)
I am still attempting to search for the names of the people behind "Super Happy Fun America". that does not, at the outset, scream alt right , to me.I don't know what to make of them choosing Yiannopoulos as the Grand Marshal. It makes no sense to me.
That man (the organizer) is just a troll, attention and press seeker failed politician.
Obviously to those who see through the original goal of the event. What sheep we have in this country! I'm embarrassed by many of them.
I'm embarrassed also, for many. Strangely, we use the same basic facts and come to different conclusions.
I use an Occam's Razor model when given a simple set of facts. It appears many adher to the conspiracy theory that everyone is part of some massive right wing plot.You misinterpret, at least on my part. I don't see a conspiracy. I see a few petty people who, either because of genuine feelings of persecution (however misguided), or because of resentment of gay pride, want their feelings publicly validated while (in their view) sticking it to those they feel no longer view them as superior.
Do you ever get dizzy from reading so much into simple things?
Lol, do you ever get weary rationalizing away the obvious?
What may be obvious to you remains innocent until proven guilty to me.
That's why I keep saying let them have their parade and their true motivations will be seen by all who don't delude themselves that this s about straight pride.
Ok. We are in agreement on that. The difference is I don't approach it with preconceived notions or ingrained bias.
Yep. Charlottesville was only about statues, Trump's racist comments and actions don't make him a racist, and a Straight Pride parade has nothing to do with gay people.
Yep. We get it.Yup. It has nothing to do with right/left, nothing to do with gays and of course, is not a dumb troll seeking attention.
https://www.facebook.com/superhappyfunamerica
https://twitter.com/SuperHappyFunA
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKxxxLBRCPQ&t=6s
Enjoy! SMH
Apparently, you don't get it. But, I didn't expect you to.
No ma'am, no preconceived notions or bias from your end....
What preconceived notion is involved in looking at an action at face value, without reading into it?
There should absolutely be Christian pride parades. It's only the world's most persecuted religion.
Actually, there is the Carnival in many christian countries and also back home in Goa, India which is a Christian parade.
Cool, go for it. I’ll be sure to plan an Atheist Pride parade at the same time though because I’m too special to be left out.
Just not on the same day, unless you want to experience Christians openly praying for you during their parade. Sound like fun.
I personally want as many Christians as possible praying for me at all times. I used to not believe in any of that prayer nonsense. I didn't just choose to start believing in it, I experienced it.
Clergyman get off tax free, why give them a parade for telling fairytales. While poorest financial professional like me as an artist are the lowest paid in the world. If we artist, made a parade, we would have the most entertaining and colorful parade ever.
I would support that parade. I would go to it. I'm serious. Sounds like a great idea. Artists Day Parade. Let's get it started. Sounds like good fun.
"The parade was organized to poke fun at the 'identity politics' of the political left ... If you get victim status then you are entitled to celebrate yourself and expect those with oppressor status to defer to your feelings," organizer Mark Sahady wrote in a Facebook comment.
It is a political protest against the left.
Is there a problem with the political staging of opposition against the left by organizing a MOCK STRAIGHT PARADE?
Is gay pride an issue of the left?
Is this a time or reason to be protesting against politics OR a time to be sensitive to the issue of homosexuality?
We need to accept homosexuality, but why do they have to fly it in our faces with a parade? Homosexuality is a touchy subject. It is an aberration from the typical.
In the final analysis, the Straight Parade organizers are being just as in-your-face as the Gay Parade organizers.
If you ask me.
all's fair.I'd like to live in a country where everyone stops worrying about what everyone else is doing and using it to find offense.
Come on Live to Learn. Do you think that was a serious thought? Do you think anything about this thread is worthy of serious consideration?
Sad my ass. This whole "Straight Pride" thread is silly. If you want to consider something "sad" I would offer that you consider whether arguing that whether one is homosexual or heterosexual is something to be proud of is sad. I would also offer that accepting the innocence of the justification for the Straight pride parade is sad.
And finally. Save your pity. I have made many other observations more worthy of your pity than this one.
GAWow, GA, I never thought I would see a comment like that from you. Glad to see you engaging in direct, straight talk. I like it. ;-)
Oh buggers, Have I crossed some line? Must be the martinis talking.
GANot at all. You were just more direct than usual. I like people who say what they think without too much pussyfooting.
I would be banned in a heartbeat if I said what I really think - most of the time.
I have studied the masters and can "pussyfoot" with the best of them. But, I would wager that my 'message' is usually clear.
Just ask ... (ha! you thought I was going to name names didn't you)
GAI see I'm going to get you to give me some "pussyfoot" lessons If I'm going to post on the forums, Gus!
This is my last chance according to Matt. How about me payin' you a Walmart salary for the guidance?No charge for my buddies Randy.
Here is your first free lesson.
When you really want to tell someone they are an idiot, just say, "Some folks might think that only an idiot would say that."
See how easy it is?
Hang in there. By the time we get to the advanced course, you will be able to tell someone to kiss your ass and have them thank you for doing so.
GA
Sorry GA. I work for a large corporation which has a plethora of groups. Each existing out of 'pride' of their common bond.
Maybe, you are just putting too much emphasis on the word. I'm proud to be a woman, a mother, a wife, etc, etc. Why must people find negativity in other's?
I don't think being straight is an accomplishment, any more than I consider being gay one. But, apparently, some people do. I find no cause to fault either.We're good Live to Learn. I understand what you are saying.
GA
Why does the human race have such a fascination of who is sleeping with who?
Nevermind, I know. But it is still obnoxious.Good points raised. It's a matter of choice but I wonder if god approved
The urge to love someone of the same sex is not a consciously elected choice ....
and that is the bottom line.
I suppose if everyone could just be nice and accept homosexuality, homosexuals wouldn't feel the need to show their pride,
rather than their usual shame.
A Heterosexual Parade is not necessary ...
at all.It was a question Mike, not a demand for justification.
As for my question appearing "a bit pompous and arrogant," it wasn't intended to be. I was trying to be polite. I don't see any reason to be proud of being straight, so I don't see that as a valid explanation for your claim there is no connection between the two parades.
It was a simple question and I offered a simple explanation. We can just leave it there if you want. I agree with Wilderness on this one; you can be "proud" of whatever you want - whether it fits the term or not. It does me no harm.
GAMay I offer speculation as to why a man would be proud to be straight? It has been my experience that certain men (nott all) are inordinately proud of their appendages, their sexual prowess, their power over the ladies.....We all know the type, don't we?
Maybe this is merely an extension of that mndset?
Just speculatin', ya know.
It is starting to develop into an inclusive and fun parade day.
Milo Yiannopoulos named marshal for 'Straight Pride' parade
“Right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been named the grand marshal for Boston’s "Straight Pride" parade.
The organization later named Yiannopoulos, who is openly gay, as its grand marshal for the event.”
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing … ide-paradeProving that this is more about the alt-right holding a parade than actually celebrating straightness.
Hey, the alt-left has the Gay Pride Parade. Many straight people support it and help with it.
This just shows Milo Yiannopoulos is a classy guy who supports people's right to hold a parade about being proud of who they are.
I've actually heard him speak. Even gay people on the left have said some rather derogatory things about his sex life. He believes this is a sign he's won the argument. I think he's right.They need an Old White men straight pride parade to really feel good about it.
You would have to include a bucking bronco and a maddhatters tea party.
Maybe we'll see Mike on TV in a tea bagger hat. A MAGA hat would be boring, and certainly not Super Happy Fun.
PP, my, my, my...the personal attacks. Always happens when people aren't able to discuss a topic on an intelligent level. So Sad.
Aw, Mike, I thought you said not to take these forums too seriously? I guess my humor isn't funny to you. I don't see the personal arrack, unless you are anti-tea party or anti-MAGA. Yes, I used the term "tea bagger" since that was their original self-proclaimed moniker. Not amusing, huh?
These are good questions.
“It is argued that the real purpose of a gay pride parade is to resist and protest the persecution of homosexuals. Heterosexuals are not persecuted for being heterosexuals, so the argument goes, and therefore a heterosexual pride parade is pointless. But if that's the point of a pride parade, then why do they call it a pride parade? If it's really a protest, then call it a protest, or a rally, or a demonstration. And in that case, why do they hold these "protests" in places like San Francisco and Los Angeles, rather than Tehran or Riyadh? It seems that these pride parades are held in precisely the places where gays are not persecuted.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/48224/wa … matt-walshAnother example of you posting something that tries to frame this issue based upon the far right-wing views that you hold.
It's not a protest but a chance to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance.
It's likely done in places accepting to their views for the same reason Trump holds his rallies in bumblefuck nowhere. It's where it's safest to be who they really want to be.Ignorance proven once again.
India has parades and only very recently was homosexuality decriminalised.
Istanbul has had parades but could not recently due to increased homophobia
Want to know why the US has it in June? Try reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride … background maybe you'd also learn a little about your own country in the process.
Many other countries too. You can look it up yourself if you were really interested in the topic and not looking to be "right" or rightwing or whatever it is your political direction is.I agree.
If you don't known how homosexuals are treated in Tehran or Riyadh you miss the entire point of the writing.
So, are you ignorant of how homosexuals are regularly put to death in these places for being gay? Thrown from buildings, beheaded and more.
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran- … ges-578758Sounds like the US at one time.....and it seems many still prefer those times.
no they don't.
The anti homosexual parade is just a political/right celebration. They know they have nothing to be "proud" about. If homosexuals can have fun celebrating who they are, why not heterosexuals?
Heterosexuals don't deserve or NEED a parade, though, until the day they are killed, suppressed and ridiculed/shamed.Heterosexuals haven't suffered the same as gays and lesbians. If they had they would be entitled to a parade...
Who decides what criteria there is for a parade? Who was suppressed so the Doo dah parade happened? Who was suppressed and ridiculed for the creation of the Mummers day parade? Who was suppressed for the Rose Bowl parade? The list goes on but saying someone has to suffer to have a parade is one more reason to laugh at the left.
What happened to the mantra of inclusion and acceptance for all? The hypocritical reality of the left is inclusions and acceptance only happens if you believe what they believe. What a bunch of hypocrites!Not hypocrisy. We see through the neo-nazis putting this thing together to recognize it's likely to head down the same pathway that Charlottesville did, a charade about statues that gave white supremacists a chance to march. And here you are, defending them. So, that tells me all I need to know about your character.
Mike's a Trumpster! What does one expect?
Ah... You should have said this at the very beginning. Would not have bothered posting anything at all here.
It is very obvious the connotations and denotations of the word hypocrisy is something you do not grasp.
This tells me all I need to know about your command of the English language.
I do appreciate your attempts at making coherent responses. I hope these attempts continue.First off, your initial claim that the left is totally inclusive of everyone was false. There is no place for those that wish to light torches and march down the street chanting the things that those who marched at Charlottesville did.
So your claim of hypocrisy was based upon a false premise of your misunderstanding of the left, which always seems to be the case. Your failure to understand the left, while claiming to be some expert on them, is why we always have a good laugh at your expense. And it furthers why I think you're about as far-right as they come.Too much wisdom that will not be understood in this post.
What happened to this?
"Ah... You should have said this at the very beginning. Would not have bothered posting anything at all here."Why do you give yourself so much credit? That statement was in reply to what was said about you. This recent reply was not to you.
Ah, a conversation about a Straight Pride parade and Charlottesville has to be mentioned.
Is someone losing the argument and reaching at anything to hide it?
The left is a very simple thing to understand.
Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
You could be as left as possible.
It's interesting how the left is against free speech and will be violent against people expressing their first amendment right. They will riot when conservatives are invited to speak at universities. They have even burned books.
This happened previously on May 10, 1933 in Germany. Is history repeating itself?
I see the left for who they are and are unable to admit. Honesty is a liberal's worst enemy.
Keep it going I enjoy your response.When those organizing the straight pride parade have similar affiliations to those who organized Charlottesville, it's not a reach see where this could go. Again, these are the people you are choosing to defend. Do you like allying yourself with groups like the Proud Boys, Mike? Is that the free speech you want to represent? I feel we have to ask at this point.
Again, in a free society it is not important for people to like free speech, it is only important they make sure speech is free. The Man Boy Loves Association is a huge supporter of the Gay Pride Parade. They advocate relations between men and young boys. They have a right to their free speech. Do I like it? Not no, but hell no, but they have a right to their speech. It is not illegal to be part of such an organization many people despise. I would never even consider any effort or support any effort to shut down the speech of the Man Boy Love Association. I will ignore it and refuse to listen to it. That's my right.
You see, I believe in free speech even if I don't agree with it.Considering the association you mentioned is estimated to have only a handful of members at this point (Wiki), I believe you continue to misconstrue facts by saying they are a huge supporter of the Gay Pride Parade.
And if they were to organize in public to exercise their free speech rights, do you think their stance would be met with disdain and anger, perhaps rising to a violent confrontation? I believe the chances are good that they would. Same with those with the affiliations looking to host the straight pride parade. The views they are affiliated with are often so extreme that when they organize in public that they are met with disdain and anger, that often leads to violent conflict between the parties.
Do they have the right under ruled on by the Supreme Court to voice those extreme views? Sure. No one is saying they don't. But that doesn't mean people are going to sit by quietly while they spew their hateful views in public. Hence the resistance from the left to this event, because the history of those organizing it spew hate."even if I don't agree with it" How can you believe in it if you don't agree with it, Mike? Seems to be an oxymoron...
Freedom within the boundaries of common decency, morality and good sense.
The ManBoyLoveAssociation is corrupt and shouldn't be given free speech at all. ever.
"The North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was founded in December 1978 and is an activist homosexual and pedophilia coalition group. Their primary aim is stated to be the overturn of statutory rape laws and reduction of “age of consent” laws that require a child be of a certain age (which varies by state) before they can agree to sexual intercourse."
That organization and what they promote is totally decrepit and gross. What about the psyche of the child?
Why cater to the utter selfish desires of a pedophile?
His desires and his actions must be S T O P P E D .I'm please someone understands your posts, Kate. Apparently Kate, that would be you...
For instance:
YAY, YOU TUBE! (regarding child exploitation issues.)
“In the last 48 hours, beyond our normal protections we’ve disabled comments on tens of millions of videos,” ...“We’ve also terminated over 400 channels for the comments they left on videos, and reported illegal comments to law enforcement.”
This isn’t the first time YouTube has been accused of having child exploitation issues. In 2017, a slew of problematic videos were found on the platform, specifically marketed to children — often times directly on the YouTube Kids app. These videos presented popular children’s characters with adult themes, sometimes in sexually explicit fashion.
In response, YouTube overhauled its kids app and put new moderation policies in place."
B O U N D A R I E S ! ! !
What's there to not understand, pray tell?- I often wonder whether she is trying to talk to herself on these forums. Out of the blue there will be a post that makes sense, but the other times I have to just skip them, they're mind-boggling. English words but not English sentences.
I wonder what that "gay culture" thing is she refers to. Do all straight people have the same culture?
What a complete load of horse$hit, Mike! But it seems to be your forte...
+100000000000000000
That's it Mike! Those Neo Nazis in Charlottesville were exercising their free speech! Sure, exercising their free speech included one of them driving a car into a crowd of people, killing a young woman, but c'mon that's just the high spirits of youth!
And you are 100% right, those libs who wanted to shut down nazis in 2017 are just like nazis . . . in 1933! (ha let's see the libs get out of that logic!)
And who says there were nazis in Charlottesville anyway? The fake news that's who. Sure, people were carrying flags with nazi swastikas on, and displaying white nationalist symbols, and giving nazi salutes, and wearing KKK hoods, and carrying banners that literally said "National Socialist Movement", but we shouldn't get bogged down in details. The libs who wanted to stop the good people carrying the nazi swastikas are the real nazis.
So thanks for showing these liberals what we stand for Mike! Keep it up my friend! MAGA.Don,
Your sarcasm is impressive. Not as impressive as taking things I've written out of context, but still impressive.
You don't seem to grasp the concept of free speech. It means letting people speak who you don't agree with. It's the reason I've yelled at people who want to cancel The View because they don't like what is said on the show. I say it should run as long as the network decides to run it. It is free speech. I believe you should be able to wear a MAGA hat and not worry about physical assaults, intimidation and threats. It's part of free speech.
"Sure, people were carrying flags with nazi swastikas on, and displaying white nationalist symbols, and giving nazi salutes, and wearing KKK hoods, and carrying banners that literally said "National Socialist "
So? This has been going on for decades. The American Nazi party gives talks and marches all over the country. Most people ignore them.
Free speech is extremely important. It is so important there is a black women who works for the ACLU who has gone to court to defend the free speech right of the KKK.
Here is an article by black attorney Abre’ Conner. She is VERY intelligent and articulates the topic very well.
"I have been outspoken within my office about what it means for me as a black attorney representing white supremacists. And my office has created a safe space for me to discuss how that feels. I’ve also made a point to check in with other black ACLU colleagues at my job, understanding that we are each processing this in our own way and might just want to talk."
https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justi … y-20170824Impressive you say? Thanks, your opinion means so much to me.
And of course you are, as always, completely correct in your views. A Nazi driving his car into a crowd of people and killing a woman, is definitely an issue of free speech. These libs just don't seem to get it.
That Nazi obviously felt his free speech was being threatened, and was acting in self-defense of it. So in a way he was literally defending the Constitution when that unarmed 32 year old woman ran (backwards) into his car. Why can't liberals see that?
As we know Mike, the Constitution absolutely gives everyone the right to say anything, to anyone, any time, any place, without consequence. Of course, ignorant liberals will say it doesn't. They'll say it merely prevents government from making laws that restrict speech, but doesn't stop a group of ordinary citizens expressing their freedom of speech by telling a bunch of Nazis to take a hike. Ha! What do liberals know?
They just hate free speech. Free speech is in the Constitution, so protesting against it is unamerican. That means protesting against Nazis is unamerican! That means liberals who exercise their freedom of speech to protest against Nazis are. . . Nazis! As always Mike, your logic is flawless!
And oh my god, you found someone whose job it is to defend legal rights who is professional enough to do exactly that, and is black, and is a woman? That's a super-rare find Mike, well done!!
Angry, racist, white guys are the backbone of this nation Mike, and what this country needs is more of us! As our dear friend Lindsey Graham said "The demographics race, we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term." Let's take up that rallying cry Mike.
Let's stay white, stay straight, and stay angry! (I have submitted this for consideration as the official slogan of our pride march and am currently awaiting a reply).Mike is too confused to get it, Don. Always has been as far as Trump is concerned. Free speech for all...unless they're liberals!
You're right Don, I see the light.
If I have an opinion it needs to be discarded, ignored and treated as without merit because I'm an old white guy. Let's forget the many things old white guys have done. Starting the country, ending slavery, having a constitution, inventing everything from the airplane to the radio and more. Everyone needs to hate and despise all old white men because there have been so many evil old white men.
A woman got run over during a protest in Charlottesville August 2017
Members of every other nationality and race are pristine and pure. They are devoid of anything even remotely resembling anything bad such as racism and more. If anybody does anything bad, it's the fault of the old white man. ALL of them are racist, even it they claim they're not. If there is something wrong with anyone's life , it is the fault of the old white man and his ignorance of his own blatent racism.
And a woman got run over during a protest in Charlottesville August 2017
Liberals should rise up and eliminate all old white men from society so it can become a utopian, Shangri la, paradise. Once the old white men are gone, this is what it will become. I'm sure every all-knowing liberal knows this.
And A woman got run over during a protest in Charlottesville August 2017
It's important that liberals bring up race and identity politics in every discussion on any topic. It's important liberals make certain all people know they're victims of society, except for the evil old white men who are the root cause of all evil in the world. Anything wrong with any aspect of anybody's life I'm sure you know it is an evil old white man who caused it.
And A woman got run over during a protest in Charlottesville August 2017
And if a liberal wants to physically assault anyone wearing a MAGA hat, it is their right as a liberal...correct? If liberals want to riot because a conservative speaker is invited to a college campus, it is time the conservative learn a liberal has the right to stop them. Why would anyone stop liberals from throwing eggs on supporters of President Donald Trump, beating them up, wrecking their cars. Who do they think they are supporting their choice for a president if liberals don't agree with it?
And A woman got run over during a protest in Charlottesville August 2017
So Don, we need to eliminate all of the old white men who appear to be nothing more than a blight on society. Conservatives and supporters of President Donald Trump who are physically assaulted, thrown out of restaurants, taxi cabs and more only have it done to them because they deserve it. It's time we all realize it is liberals who know what we should believe and how we should live and if something is wrong, it has been caused by an old white man.
I hope in time conservatives can learn these very important liberal lessons.And the woman who "got" run over was not your wife nor daughter. Would it make a difference to you if she were, Mike? Apparently not, an old man can't be mistaken....
I don't think I've ever read a bigger load of whiny BS.
Amen Mike! You're totally right about how oppressed we are. People refuse to see that for some reason.
I mean, what political power have we ever had? Only 44 presidents out of 45 have been white guys. That's not even 100%! This type of oppression is almost unbearable, but we can overcome it.
And we've been stripped of virtually all economic power. I hope you're sitting down Mike, because in 2018 three CEOs of Fortune 500 companies were . . . black. I'm not kidding. Three !!That's three jobs taken from white guys. Racism! What more evidence do people need that we're being eliminated!!
And you're right, how dare liberals protest against a group of mostly male, mostly white Nazis. Don't they know white men have invented things!!? We also wrote the Constitution! And we ended slavery after just a few centuries, which I'm sure went quickly for the slaves. Surely if anyone has earned the right to advocate genocide without being told to clear out, it's us Mike!!
Instead, we get persecuted. Sure the liberals will say they weren't protesting against white men at Charlottesville but merely protesting against Nazism and white supremacy, and the majority of Nazis and white supremacists there were white men. We don't buy it do we Mike! They just want to eliminate us.
The lying libs will probably also point out that a large proportion of the people protesting against the nazis were white men themselves. Again, we're not fooled are we Mike. They're obviously trying to eliminate themselves!
But as always Mike: stay straight, stay white, stay angry. MAGA.Right on, Don! But you're wasting logic on Mike....
In that parade, we can surely give lessons in singing "We Shall Overcome." 3 is way too many. I don't want to be banned, so I'll hold back my joke on laundry here.
Enjoy your parade, Mike. I'll watch for you on TV. Will you be wearing a special hat?
Sure he will, Pretty. It's a conical hat representing those on the right.
I know very well, more so than you will ever know.
- PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago0
Wow, those are some smart people right there. How could anyone possibly think they are anything but sincere?
"Who was suppressed for the Rose Bowl parade?"
- well, theres a good question!I have a great idea for the perfect parade.
If you want to have a pride parade for people who have been physically attacked, demeaned and degraded simply because of who they are...we should have a MAGA pride parade.
MAGA people of all races, sexual orientations, genders have been physically assaulted and suppressed because of who they are.
If anybody deserves a parade for being proud of who they are...it is people who wear MAGA hats.
MAGA hat pride parade. This should meet all the left's criteria for a parade.How about live and let live parade. Lol.
I don't get a straight parade, they are 90% of the sexual market. I do get somewhat a minority parade of almost any kind. Although, a bi-sexual parade is downright greedy.Live and Let Live Parade.
I like it. I really like your idea for an artist's day parade. THAT would be a great parade.
You do have lots of good ideas.My Mother, who leans right, and I had a good laugh over this post.
And our community, the gay and lesbian community - and I particularly fault gay men here - has done nothing to try to help our youth.
"HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP OUR YOUTH"
and gays think they deserve a parade?
I have heard many stories of HIV-positive men having unprotected sex with boys.
They don’t think it matters.”
THEY DON"T THINK IT MATTERS
They need to prove otherwise before they catch me at a gay parade.
WHAT ARE THEY SO PROUD ABOUT, AGAIN?Even though most Americans don't regard gay people as child molesters, confusion remains widespread in this area. In the 70s gays were illegal along with Marrijanna and these laws and their ways of thinking dose more harm than good.
In the early 70s, at age 13, I was druged and molested by a man. Many people act like they are damaged goods for life, after something very weird like this event happens. I adjusted in life well enough. When I was beating many times from my drunken father. That had major damaging effects on me.
Look at me today, straight, never harmed anyone and many world-class achievements. Next goal is to make pot legal in every state in the union and most countries in the world. Today, every city in Canada has either a 420 Marrijanna events and or a parades. No break outs of any whore orgies or serial killers yet. Keep on healthy sex, drugs and Rock en Roll.India never really banned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_India The Portuguese came and found out the benefits it had. The British tried to get it banned, but international conventions were the reason it was put on the ban radar.
I don't think Marrijanna can be exported from any country. Or India could raise their price a 100% times greater, and that could create a war. More Mexicans die from this Marrijanna war than people in Iraq oil war and Afghanistan poppy wars.
India is the lowest cost for pot in the world and Canada is the most regulationed country in the world. In between the Government God's make the most profit from it here.
Would not want to be gay, a pot head and a world traveler.
VERY DANGERIOUS.Luckily I'm no pot head then. But, yeah traditionally Indians used a lot of it. It's slowly coming back after a few hundred years of being banned. Homosexuality is not illegal anymore either, just like it was back in history. But the general public have forgotten their history they just remember their religion.
A gay pride parade has the purpose of demonstrating how many people are part of or support a group that is often maligned.
I cannot imagine any purpose for a straight pride parade other than demonstrating your objection to gay pride.
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